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Best regards! --Stryn (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

AGORHA edit

Bonsoir @Thierry Caro,

Je découvre avec stupeur que tu as profité des vacances d'été pour détruire subrepticement quelques 2000 identifiants AGORHA. Les bras m'en tombent !

J'ai du mal à voir en quoi cela va "improve our coverage of art history (Q50637)", selon ta formule consacrée...

Jamais au grand jamais on ne détruit des identifiants corrects, et on ne détourne pas l'usage d'une propriété comme tu l'as fait (sans d'ailleurs aucune discussion ?).

Il était question de créer une nouvelle propriété avec le format ark (elle reprend les périmètres des 3 existantes), mais certainement pas d'un tel vandalisme !

Je te suggère vivement de remettre les choses en l'état, et de proposer une nouvelle propriété si tu le souhaites. Heureusement, tu ne sembles pas (encore ?) avoir eu l'idée de lancer la même annihilation sur l'identifiant pour les personnes... (j'ai eu une sacrée sueur froide).

Merci de ta diligence. Nono314 (talk) 21:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Bonjour. J'espère que tu te portes bien. Il s'agit essentiellement d'assurer la continuité de la propriété, qui telle qu'elle est désormais est effectivement l'identifiant AGORHA. Les propriétés n'ont pas être inféodées au format circonstanciel que prennent les URL, mais au lien intemporel qu'elles entretiennent avec les sources qu'elles désignent, qui elles sont souvent des institutions établies de longue date. Les changements récents assurent cette continuité, et surtout ils produisent des liens qui fonctionnent, plutôt que les anciens, cassés depuis plusieurs années. Malheureusement, oui, il faut travailler pour couvrir à niveau un maximum d'ɶuvres, et déjà je m'y emploie, autant que possible. Mais oui, c'est du boulot. Cependant, tout Wikidata demande le même effort. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

P4583 vs. P4668 edit

Thierry, apologize for the formatting on this website as I'm much more active and familiar on en.wikipedia. I've noticed both of these P's(?)/properties(?) while editing artistic men's gymnastic articles on en.wikipedia. I believe we may have run into a bit of a situation here. Both of these are seemingly representing some "United States Gymnastics Hall of Fame"-type entity, with the properties leading to seemingly reputable websites of http://www.usghof.org and http://www.usagymlegacy.org respectively. However, upon further examination, the former appears to be just a website put together by an individual (and much more focused on being an Amazon affiliate to make commission) whereas the latter redirects to the official USA Gymnastics website of which entries can now be found at https://usagym.org/halloffame/inductee.

I propose (unless it's against the rules here or something?) that the P4583 be deleted as misrepresentative of the actual United States Gymnastics Hall of Fame. Additionally, P4668 seems as though it could have its URL(?) edited to represent the new site to be representative of the entries without having to edit all of the individuals' unique identifiers.

Thoughts? GauchoDude (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

@GauchoDude: Hello. Whether or not a database is official is never an issue here on Wikidata. Even if done by someone in their basement, as long as the community has agreed it is OK to have a dedicated property to link to that database, we are fine. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Thierry Caro: Thank you for the response. In that case, can you help me with P4668? It does not appear as though it's currently up to date nor are the links accurately reflecting to profiles on en.wikipedia. The first thing that I noticed is that the website will need to be updated. As entries are now at "https://usagym.org/halloffame/inductee/XX-YY" where XX is last name and YY is first name. Example here: https://usagym.org/halloffame/inductee/hamm-paul/ GauchoDude (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@GauchoDude: I have changed the formatter URL. It should work correctly wto or three days from now, after the pages are refreshed. Thierry Caro (talk) 03:38, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Thierry Caro: Thank you for the update. Does it matter that for P4668 "formatter URL" and "source website for the property" are different? Does the "source website for the property" also need to be updated? GauchoDude (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

peakware mountain ID (P3513) edit

Hi Thierry Caro, a while ago you added data from Peakware, dead now, and recently I stumbled across some duplicates I could resolve. Also some spelling errors from the source (due to the fact of user generated content on peakware?). e.g. Grnegghorn -> Grünegghorn, Schneehhnerstock -> Schneehüenerstock. But there are still candidates for merging: Query (or deletion) - remove the minus coords line to get all items having a peakware mountain ID (P3513), some already merged. What about cleaning up the stuff? Do you care?

I feel that putting the elevation to the item description is not conforming to Help:Description. It only is practical to guarantee necessary uniqueness. Elevation in the structured world of Wikidata should always be a property (and the conversion from ft to m shouldn't be done manually). Furthermore an entry like South Creek Butte (Q30124069) is just a container for the id, not a description of the mountain (and the duplicate South Creek Butte (Q49075783) as well isn't a proper description).

I also found your post on https://terrillthompson.com/1251. No further reaction, so is there any usefulness in keeping peakware mountain ID (P3513) property? What do you think? When you agree that peakware id is dead, than the property could be removed and deleted and the plain container objects for the id (as mentioned above) could as well be deleted (instead of merging and completing). best --Herzi Pinki (talk) 05:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Herzi Pinki: Hello. I am in favor of deleting stuff that is dead. I think the Peakware property can and should be deleted, but I believe people tend to oppose such deletions here, and as I do not want to spend time arguing for hours to no avail, I just let dead content be. In other words, this property is up for whatever others will want it to become. Thierry Caro (talk) 06:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Once the garbage is in, it will stay there? GIGnO (never). Trying to delete peakware mountain ID (P3513) might be difficult. But will you help me to resolve the duplicates in the items you imported from Peakware? (that's a different story). --Herzi Pinki (talk) 10:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Honestly, no offense, but this would be losing your time. The property is dead. I suggest we just leave it as is. Thierry Caro (talk) 19:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Ok, the property is dead. But there are mountains left I could not resolve as duplicates. see Query. Even when the property is dead, the mountain behind is existing (presumingly) and should have a full set of mountain related properties like coordinate location (P625), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), elevation above sea level (P2044), mountain range (P4552). If it is not existing, it should be deleted. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 10:01, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment edit

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Regards Kholoudsaa (talk) 21:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Lien de naissance  Roland Ramade edit

Bonsoir Thierry,
J'ai vu qu'en 2016 vous aviez indiqué que cet artiste (Q24578986) était né au Puy en Velay. Sa page Wikipédia était notée avec une naissance à Béziers et un autre utilisateur a effectué une mise en cohérence très partielle en 2022.
Je vous sollicite car je n'arrive pas à voir une source qui donnerait une information valable (musicbrainz reprenant wiki).
Est-ce que l'on passe à tout Béziers ou tout Puy ?
Merci d'avance
Nezdek (talk) 20:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Nezdek: Salut. Je n'en ai aucune idée, car il s'agit sans doute d'une information que j'ai importée ici dans le cadre d'une série semi-automatisée. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Du coup c'est plutôt faux ? Quelle est la source ? Nezdek (talk) 17:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Nezdek: L'origine de l'information est Wikipédia en français, dans sa version de juillet 2016. Je ne sais pas si l'information est fausse, juste qu'elle vient de là. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:36, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
OK. Je viens de regarder l'historique et l'erreur semble être initiale, en faisant coexister les deux villes l'une dans l'intro et l'autre dans l'infobox+catégorie (lien). Comme il y a même une erreur de frappe, pour la ville qui n'est pas la plus proche de son lieu d'habitation, je propose de corriger Le Puy en Béziers. OK ? Nezdek (talk) 18:09, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
{{Ping|Nezdek} Si tu es à peu près convaincu, je n'ai aucune objection. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply