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Chocobnj (talkcontribs)

Please I need your guidance, I've tried so much to get better, but it seems difficult to me.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

I'm not sure how to advise you. The only thing you seem to have attempted here is creating an item on "Kemelord", but you stopped without creating any claims. You might find it helpful to read Help:Contents. (talkcontribs)

I’ve almost finished, but was taken down. Is it still possible to still make claims for recover?

Bovlb (talkcontribs)
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Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop

Kholoudsaa (talkcontribs)

Dear Bovlb,

I hope you are doing well,

We are a group of researchers from King’s College London working on developing WQT (Wikidata Quality Toolkit), which will support a diverse set of editors in curating and validating Wikidata content.

We are inviting you to participate in an online workshop aimed at understanding the requirements for designing effective and easy-to-use user interfaces (UI) for three tools within WQT that can support the daily activities of Wikidata editors: recommending items to edit based on their personal preferences, finding items that need better references, and generating entity schemas automatically for better item quality.

The main activity during this workshop will be UI mockup sketching. To facilitate this, we encourage you to attend the workshop using a tablet or laptop with PowerPoint installed or any other drawing tools you prefer. This will allow for a more interactive and productive session as we delve into the UI mockup sketching activities.

Participation is completely voluntary. You should only take part if you want to and choosing not to take part will not disadvantage you in any way. However, your cooperation will be valuable for the WQT design. Please note that all data and responses collected during the workshop will be used solely for the purpose of improving the WQT and understanding editor requirements. We will analyze the results in an anonymized form, ensuring your privacy is protected. Personal information will be kept confidential and will be deleted once it has served its purpose in this research.

The online workshop, which will be held on April 5th, should take no more than 3 hours.

If you agree to participate in this workshop, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form to register your interest https://forms.office.com/e/9mrE8rXZVg Then, I will contact you with all the instructions for the workshop.

For more information about my project, please read this page: https://king-s-knowledge-graph-lab.github.io/WikidataQualityToolkit/

If you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me at the email address mentioned above.

Thank you for considering taking part in this project.


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Jarekt (talkcontribs)
Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Done. Please fill them in soon to avoid deletion.

Courtesy CC of @ MisterSynergy as other deleting admin.

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Horcrux (talkcontribs)
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Replacement of Singapore Infopedia ID

Nlbkos (talkcontribs)

Hi, this is in regard to our earlier question in Wikidata:Project chat (Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2024/02#Replacement of Singapore Infopedia ID). We've renamed the current property P8350 as Singapore Infopedia ID (former scheme) and tried proposing a new property Singapore Infopedia ID at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control, but it bring us back to this existing page Wikidata:Property proposal/Singapore Infopedia ID. Is this the correct procedure for the replacement of old property? Could you advise how we should proceed from here? Thank you.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

I suggest that you name the property proposal with "new scheme". The name of the proposal page doesn't have to be the final label name.

Nlbkos (talkcontribs)

Thank you for advice! We managed to propose a new Singapore Infopedia ID at Wikidata:Property proposal/Singapore Infopedia ID (new scheme). However, we have not received any feedback from the community. Is there anyway we can proceed from here, or anyone we can approach to get the approval from the community?

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Unfortunately, it can be rather slow to get feedback on property proposals. I'll try to take a look tomorrow.

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Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Hi, on Swedish Wikipedia (project I rarely contribute to) I have just received a weird appeal regarding this abuse filter block (entry). In your opinion, is it possible that something just went wrong and they can be unblocked, or is it just yet another SEO campaign?

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Hmm. I'm pretty confident that the activity for which they were blocked was recreation of a many-time deleted item. I did a review of their other activity across multiple projects and I'm getting the same spammy vibe. In particular, see their recreation of a corresponding deleted category on Commons under a misspelt name. Having said that, I have no objection if you want to unblock per ROPE.

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Jarekt (talkcontribs)

Hi, I have no idea why this item was deleted, but when deleting items it would be nice if you could also fix all the pages that use that item. In case of many items storing metadata for artworks, we often move matadata to Wikidata and remove it locally to ensure that all copies of an artwork have the same info. Deleting such items would require moving the metadata back to Commons.

Jarekt (talkcontribs)

Also Q108184575, Q108185816 & Q108185747 were deleted for the same reason, while being used on Commons.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Hi! Thanks for following up with me.

These items were deleted because they were created by a known long-term abuser who frequently creates many items in this topic area that blend fact and fiction in a way that is very hard to disentangle. This particular deletion run included a number of items that had been in existence for some time, and my current policy is not to go so far back as I did in those cases. You can see some related discussion at Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2023/07#Lake_Como_(again), and more background on this specific LTA at en:Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Alec Smithson.

I am taking your communication as an undeletion request, and I have undeleted these four items. I do ask, however, that you take on responsibility for checking that they do not embody hoaxes.

As an aside, in the event that we delete items that are linked to from other pages, it is considered best practice here not to remove those links on deletion. We have a bot that tidies them up after a short delay, and this practice makes it easier to undo deletions. I'm not sure whether you are talking about other Wikidata items here, or something in SDC. If the latter, then we have been historically bad at considering SDC links, but we are trying to do better. Out tooling could use improvement in this area.

Jarekt (talkcontribs)

Thank you. Those 4 were just tip of the iceberg, and I am somehow running into a lot of deleted Wikidata items used by Commons files, deleted by various admins for various reasons. Files on Commons that use c:template:Artwork can pull a lot of metadata about artwork from Wikidata and can copy missing metadata from commons files to Wikidata with a single click, using QuickStatements. Unfortunately QuickStatements break down when dealing with redirected or deleted items. What is worse is that bad items also block single-click creation of new items on Wikidata. So my approach at the moment is to just remove all the references to deleted items which are sometimes stored in several SDC properties and/or in the wikitext of the description. I will try to undo my changes for those 4 files and verify undeleted items. Also please lobby for better tools at seeing usage of Wikidata items on other projects, the same way admins on Commons see all the places a file is used on other projects before they delete it.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

You're certainly giving me some things to think about.

The mass deletions I made back then were done with a script I wrote. My script looked for various reasons to exclude items from the deletion list, but that did not include SDC. I certainly could have incorporated a check for SDC usage, but I just wasn't as aware of it back then. I don't know what the story is for the deletions by other admins.

As you might see from Wikidata:Request_a_query/Archive/2024/01#Notability:_Structural_need, I am currently working on a tool that classifies items for notability according to the three criteria. In particular, I am trying to take an expansive view of "structural need" that includes not only Wikidata links, but also SDC, and selected external projects like Open Street Map. I'm hoping that use of this tool will reduce problems of this type in the future. Unfortunately, I have a day job and many other distractions, so my progress is not always rapid.

If you have a list of other affected items, please let me know and I'll see what I can do.

Jarekt (talkcontribs)

Another thing to remember is that many items are connected to Wikidata items though hardwired link in Wikitext and no SDC. For example File:Vieille Turquie (L'exécution).jpg is linked to Q124539574 through wikitext (can you undelete by the way). There is a lot of confusion about digital representation of (P6243): when I proposed it it was a SDC property to connect any SDC item to Wikidata item, but before it was approved it got modified to only include 2D artworks, which leaves all the photographs of sculptures without a good way to link to wikidata. Some people use main subject (P921), but since P921 has other meanings it is kind of a mess. For example for a photo of a sculpture P921 might point to a person or a sculpture item. As a result SDC is not set for many files and we rely on Wikitext marking.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

That's interesting. File:Vieille Turquie (L'exécution).jpg is linked to Q124539574 using the "wikidata" parameter. I see that this parameter has existed for years, but I wasn't aware of its existence, and I have no idea how to search for it when considering an item for deletion. I cannot recall its ever having been mentioned in a deletion/undeletion discussion. I think this may be a problem to solve at the Commons end to get these into SDC. I have undeleted Vieille Turquie (Q124539574) and have fixed it up a little, but it still bears no indication of notability.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

I appreciate the concerns of Commons, and I would love see Commons using Wikidata more, but I hope you also see that we have a deluge of trash being dropped on Wikidata every day, and admins need to be able to sort through it efficiently. Hopefully if I can get my tool using SDC, that will alleviate much of the problem. If you have any other APIs (e.g. searches) you think we should be checking, please speak up.

Jarekt (talkcontribs)

I totally agree about the trash dropped on Wikidata, and also realize that empty items, even if connected to Commons have no place on Wikidata. I have no clue why some users, create empty items and connect them. I suspect that what is going on is that you can create new item by following the following steps:

  1. create a new empty item for and artwork
  2. connect it to the file by adding "wikidata" parameter to c:template:Artwork or adding P6243 statement
  3. locate icon on top of the file and click it. This should triggers a data transfer to Wikidata using QuickStatements.

It seems to me that someone was following this process but forgetting to do step 3. Any way, If you run into more empty items for artworks, I can volunteer to try to fix them before they are deleted. Also there is a way to search for which file links to a specific item, like: in SQL database you search for files with external link to https://reasonator.toolforge.org/test/?q=Q124539574 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q124539574. Most Commons file-namespace infoboxes that rely on data from Wikidata use c:Module:Artwork code and that code adds icons with those 2 links to all files that pull metadata from Wikidata. For example quarry:query/64996 is using this strategy for creating some QuickStatements.

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Hutton11 (talkcontribs)

Hello. I had added 2 pages that were instantly deleted and considered spam. Q124151364 and Q124151387. Telpark and APK2 are parking lot areas in Spain and Portugal. They are valid.

I would like to request that they both be undeleted. Please let me know if you have any further question of require any other information for these added items.

Much thanks.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)
EPIC (talkcontribs)

Correct, I deleted them because there was no information or sources that indicated its notability, see Wikidata:Notability. I have nothing against them being recreated, if this is provided.

Hutton11 (talkcontribs)

Hi @Bovlb. Thank you for the information. Please see below for the additional links for notability.

Telpark: Q124151364 (2 articles about companies' major role in parking area maintenance and linkedin).

Transportation (macquarie.com)

Telpark (appian.com)

(26) Telpark: Overview | LinkedIn

APK2: Q124151387 (1 article about companies' major role in parking area maintenance and linkedin)

APK2 and EDP, ahead of Madrid City Council's requirement and deploy a recharging network in public parking lots | EDP España

(26) APK Gestión de Aparcamientos S.A.: Overview | LinkedIn

Thank you and please let me know if you require any further information.

Hutton11 (talkcontribs)

Hello @Bovlb and @EPIC.

I wanted to follow up on the above request. Thanks again for your time and let me know if there is anything else needed.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

I'm going to defer to EPIC here.

EPIC (talkcontribs)

Excuse me for not noticing this until now. If there are reliable and publicly available sources which establish notability, go ahead.

Hutton11 (talkcontribs)

Thank you @EPIC. Yes, the notable source links are located above. I assume @Bovlb will undelete the pages and add these? Thank you.

Hutton11 (talkcontribs)

Hello @Bovlb. Just following up on the above request.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Hi! As I said above, I'm leaving this to EPIC.

Hutton11 (talkcontribs)

Hello @EPIC. Please see comment above. Are you able to restore these deleted pages.

EPIC (talkcontribs)

Done - I have restored both of them.

Hutton11 (talkcontribs)

Thank you.

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WT20 (talkcontribs)

This is the tool I am using recently and how it works and its details.I see it's sometimes red blue green and I don't understand what it means when it's working together.I am interested to know and seek your help.Thank you.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

THere's a little documentation on User:Bovlb/notability.js and also at User:Bovlb/notability.js/doc. It could probably use a diagram. The three bars are intended to represent the three notability criteria, with the second split into identifiers and sources. Red means there's no indication of notability, orange means there's weak notability, and green means that there is strong notability. The outer ring indicates if any of the three criteria have been met. These are purely automated tests so don't bring any human judgement into play, which means they can be fooled in some cases. For more information about what the test is doing, have a look at the SPARQL query.

NadinePhD (talkcontribs)

Hi @Bovlb, thanks for your message. I have registered with Wikidata to use their ontology for semantic encoding and decoding of abstract diagrams. I noticed that there are not enough description options in Wikidata for this domain (historical-abstract diagrams), so I want to create some properties and elements myself. However, I see that all the entries I have created have been deleted. I don't seem to know enough about this. Unfortunately, I don't know how to integrate additional resources in the form of sitelinks or images into an item that I have created. I would be very grateful for any tips or hints.

NadinePhD (talkcontribs)

I have tried again to create a new item:

subdivision (Q124435401)

Concept for capturing structural subdivisions of graphics, especially diagrams.

AND I have tried to create a sitelink. Unfortunately, I do not understand the message:

A page "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagram#Diagrammatology" could not be found on "enwiki".

The external client site "enwiki" did not provide page information for page "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagram#Diagrammatology".

I wanted to include an article on the interdisciplinary field of diagrammatics as a source.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Hi! Thanks for following up.

Sitelinks have to be pages, not sections. Sometimes a client project will have pages that redirect to a section on another page, for example en:Bonnie Parker redirects to en:Bonnie and Clyde#Bonnie Parker. This allows Bonnie Parker (Q2319886) to use the redirect as its sitelink. (You'll see that almost all of the sitelinks on that item are redirects.) Regardless, a sitelink can only be used on a single Wikidata item, and it should represent the same concept, not merely be a source of information.

This essay isn't aimed squarely at your usecase, but you might find it helpful to read User:Bovlb/How to create an item on Wikidata so that it won't get deleted.

My best advice for you would be to start by posting to Wikidata:Project chat, explaining what you're trying to do and how you plan to do it. You'll get a lot of useful feedback.

NadinePhD (talkcontribs)

Hi @Bovlb,

Thanks for your feedback and further explanations. I'm starting to understand what this is all about and how things and concepts behave and are linked within Wikidata.

I will follow your advice and introduce myself in the chat and also explain my plan.

Thanks again

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