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Latest comment: 1 hour ago by Geagea in topic unmanned / unstaffed / unfilled / unoccupied

Multilingual labels and aliases

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Did we come to consensus that mul labels render duplicates in individual languages redundant?

Looking at Leo XIV (Q6109517), I see people copying the mul label and English aliases into many individual languages.

In particular, I do not believe that the prefix "Cardinal" is used in all of those languages; but more generally, is the duplication helpful?

Help:Label does not seem to say anything on the subject. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 9 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

In case of popes or monarch many languages translates name (and sometimes there are long disputes about), so in this case is better to have label for each language and mul as fallback. JAn Dudík (talk) 06:00, 12 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I find it useful to have duplicates for individual languages ​​when it comes to standardized country and language codes. I have very little time to enter, so I enter these codes intensively, say the last one for the bulgarian, but those changes are reverted. After discussion, I was told that this type of edit is harmful to Wikidata. Following the logic that mul is enough on this item it is necessary to delete the aliases for all languages ​​since mul does not exist. I'm sure I'm not wrong since country and language codes are allowed to put in every language, so I plan to continue entering individual codes for each language regardless of my changes being reverted; however, those codes exist in some languages ​​where they existed before my changes, so I wonder if it's justified to undo them as well, except for mul. Зорана Филиповић (talk) 09:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Why do you find it useful? Having to duplicate it for every language is useless. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 17:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your comments, but I was asking for the current consensus, not arguments either way. And certainly not for declarations of intent to ignore consensus (if such exists), which should result in escalating blocks. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think most people still do not get what 'mul' is for. Let me remind everyone that:
  • 'mul' label and aliases act as aliases for all languages. That's by design.
  • Aliases are only for search, not presentation.
  • It makes no difference if an item contains the same string once or a hundred times; it is searchable by that string in either case. Hence, we needn't duplicate 'mul'.
  • Lack of aliases does not make an item incomplete in that language. Label and description do. Perhaps some users, when they see the column empty, feel there should always be something. This is unjustified.
  • 'mul' was introduced to avoid duplication and reduce storage. While the redundancy introduced by these 346 edits is mostly harmless, each edit saves a new copy of the item in the database. In this case, it's over 50 MB of useless data (noice!). Note that the consequence of removing duplicate labels/aliases is the same. Simply let it be and leave for robots.
  • 'mul' is not "put Latin first". It's a fallback. Since Wikidata's inception, everything has fallen back to English, which uses Latin. Now everything falls back to 'mul' or English. If you don't want to fall back, fix it by inserting the correct value in your language.
--Matěj Suchánek (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
It appears that the editor (an admin!) who keeps reverting me at Leo XIV (Q6109517) to remove the mul label has a different view of what it is for... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Pigsonthewing read carefully Matěj's last sentence and review your editions: you are adding the mul label according to the English name (and imposing this name to different languages) and removing the English label... Douglas Adams has the same label in all (Latin) languages, but the pope is not the same case. See mul label at Pope Francis (Q450675): empty; because each language uses a different name. PS. Use the ping (to mention me in a veiled way) and explain this absolutely rude. Madamebiblio (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
That last sentence is "If you don't want to fall back, fix it by inserting the correct value in your language." And yet you are attempting what you see as a "fix" for the fall back by removing the mul label rather than inserting the correct value in your language - directly in contradiction of the very sentence you now tell me to "read carefully", and once again telling me to read something while failing to appreciate that I have already done so. That is what is "absolutely rude". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:17, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
With "what 'mul' is for" I was talking mostly about its purpose. People are still figuring out what the most suitable fallback is, esp. for people. Still, nothing is an option, too.
For the pope, I think the religious name in Latin (language), which is the same for English, is a good fallback. I wouldn't remove the English label, as it can create confusion (and we earn nothing by removing one label).
Lastly, it would be really nice if we didn't have to read "wtf's" and claims about "shitty attitude" from established users. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 07:52, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
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Hello, as I'm not very familiar with the inner workings of Wikidata, I was simply wondering if it's possible to sort the articles in the "Search results" page in descending order of "sitelinks"? I assume there's a dedicated parameter in the advanced search or a specific tool in the preferences. If that's not the case, is there any plan to implement such an option in the future? Ellicrum (bablute [...]) 10:52, 11 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:WikibaseCirrusSearch I'm not sure there is a fancy way to do this :( ·addshore· talk to me! 21:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
This is phab:T236992.--GZWDer (talk) 13:59, 13 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thank's for your initial responses. If I understand correctly, this is something that is in the pipeline, which has been discussed for a few years but isn't yet applicable in the "Search results". I don't know what the role of this "Phabricator" tool is (not to mention that my English is quite limited). --Ellicrum (bablute [...]) 17:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Propose Wikidata:IP block exemption as official policy

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Hi, we have Wikidata:IP block exemption but it is in proposed stage in 9 years. I may propose IP block exemption as official policy so I start this discussion here to collect comments.--S8321414 (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@S8321414: I don't understand this policy; I think it is de facto the official policy here, but I don't think it should be. What I don't understand is why hard blocks are ever a good idea; if even one logged in user is exempt then all logged in accounts should be exempted automatically, or at least all autopatrolled accounts. Of course the new mw:Temporary_accounts should be blocked whenever an IP range is blocked; or maybe blocking for those should follow new mechanisms? Anyway I think this specific policy is not well justified and probably obsolete. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Well, we still have Requests for IP block exemption section in WD:RFOR for now. Maybe Wikidata:IP block exemption needs to be updated when temporary accounts enabled, but still, we have this user rights group and need a certain policy for granting these rights.--S8321414 (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Image change request

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Please, is there someone that can kindly change File:Pape-Leon-XIV-Robert-Francis-Prevost-audience-medias-12-mai-2025.jpg with File:Pope Leo XIV 3 (3x4 cropped) (2).jpg on Leo XIV (Q6109517)? Many, many and many thanks in advance for all you can do!!! 151.95.8.206 09:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

I have made the swap, leaving them both on the image, but setting this new one to be preferred   Done.
Personally, I agree and think it looks like a better image for the item.
·addshore· talk to me! 07:53, 16 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

German films (sometimes labelled under Weimar Republik and Deutsches Kaiserreich)

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I have notices that a considerable amount of German films from the silent era have been labelled under Weimar Republik [1] or Deutsches Kaiserreich [2] (in some cases both Weimar Republik and Deutschland, or Deutsches Kaiserreich and Deutschland [3]). I can understand such a divide when i comes to West Germany and East Germany since they where two separate nations 1949-1990, but not Weimar/Kaiserreich. I suggest that we use Deutschland for all films released between 1880 and 1949, and those after 1990. Ezzex (talk) 12:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hello, also see
M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Schema Feedback

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Hello

I am looking for some peer-input to evaluate and test the schema I have been working with for digital arts festivals and hope you can help.  

This schema was based on a simplified version of the film festival one {{Q220505}} and was created to document a record of early digital arts festivals in the UK where none previously existed - an area that I am currently researching.  

I’d really appreciate any feedback – how it might be improved, what might be missing, what should be amended etc? - generally whether it works?  

Any thoughts on the Label “digital arts festival” would be useful too (bearing in mind that some events would not necessarily define their event as a festival and/or might term it a new media arts festival/event, rather than a digital arts festival/event...

I have created various Labels - to make events more discover-able, no matter what (digital arts, new media...) is searched. Did I need to do this? JanetRJ (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

"test" entries on external datasets

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Was playing around with the formatter URL for the fairly new CAMRA pub ID (P13516) and found what seems to be the lowest numerical identifier on their database : https://camra.org.uk/pubs/111161 , as is made apparent when opening the link. Would this identifier pass Wikidata:Notability by merit of it's being a "test item" similiar to Earth (Q85408509)?

If the answer is no, might a "minimum value of "111162" be warranted or a simple "not 111161", if such a constraint is possible?

(198960 is the highest identifier & seemingly newest pub on their dataset, if anyone is interested in the UK hospitality industry) Tæppa (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

I find the idea of having an item where useless identifiers could be saved like in "that one locked room" creative. Assuming bots don't import already used identifiers, it could save us some maintenance. (We can add it to Wikidata:Notability/Items considered notable if we agree on it.) --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 19:47, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think we should only record real data minima (recording maxima would be constantly chasing a site's updates. A site's test data is not notable for us. Vicarage (talk) 20:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

6-string bass

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I realize this is a Commons (SDC) question, but the expertise is here on Wikidata.

For commons:File:2022 Fremont Solstice Parade - 166 (52161825011).jpg, how should we model that this is a 6-string bass guitar, not the usual 4-string? Should we create a new subclass of bass guitar (Q46185) for 6-string basses, or can we somehow do this with qualifiers? - Jmabel (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

If a "6-string bass guitar" is a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references (can we find a paragraph or two in an encyclopedia?), then creating a new item is more than welcome. The key statements would be Qxxsubclass of (P279)bass guitar (Q46185) and Qxxxhas part(s) of the class (P2670)guitar string (Q1527700)quantity (P1114)"6". --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think en:Extended-range_bass might touch on this slightly too, which is in turn extended-range bass (Q2887371), which is already a subclass of bass guitar (Q46185).
So perhaps a 6-string bass guitar if created would instead be a subclass of this extended bass guitar? ·addshore· talk to me! 07:50, 16 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. And we already have Eight-string bass guitar (Q5348938). --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
There's also an existing redirect at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_string_bass which could be added to the new item Piecesofuk (talk) 09:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Template:Property documentation

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Is there anyone here who could do an edit here for me? I am not confident enough to do it myself without breaking the thousands of property talk pages on Wikidata Trade (talk) 01:06, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Please outline your request on the template's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:40, 18 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Concerns Regarding Cross-Wiki Conduct and Tone by Administrator Bedivere

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Hello community, this is to notify that there is a request for comment on Meta that some users might be affected. You can join the discussion here.

Please do not reply to this message. 📅 05:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Request for inclusion of Gurully – Educational platform for language proficiency test preparation

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Hello Wikidata community,

I hope this message finds you well.

I would like to request your guidance or support in adding a reference or external identifier to Wikidata related to our educational platform, Gurully.

Gurully provides mock tests and preparation resources for widely taken English language exams like PTE, IELTS, CELPIP, and Duolingo English Test. Our platform is widely used by students preparing for international education.

We would be happy to contribute structured data (like platform type, services offered, test names, and user base) in alignment with Wikidata’s notability and sourcing standards. If there’s a structured way this platform could be referenced (such as an external identifier or entry), or if additional data needs to be provided, I would appreciate your input.

Looking forward to feedback or direction on how we may proceed appropriately. Thank you for your time and support.

Suchi.shah (talk) 06:59, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Suchi.shah: I think this qualifies as notable for Wikidata. I have created a basic item for Gurully - Gurully (Q134469604). Please feel welcome to add relevant factual statements as appropriate. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:54, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Suchi.shah (talk) 07:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

orphanage is an event and science, according to Wikidata ontology

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See structure:

en: orphanage (residential institution devoted to the care of orphans) [4]

en: residential child care community (type of orphanage) [5]
en: child welfare (organized efforts by communities or organizations to improve the health and well-being of the child) [6]
en: economic activity (human activity involving the transfer of goods or services) [7]
en: transfer (process in which an item associated with one entity becomes similarly associated with another) [8]
en: interaction (kind of action that occurs as two or more objects have an effect upon one another) [9]
en: effect (exercising influence over an entity) [10]
en: action (something an agent can do or perform) [11] this was unexpected here as it indicates an event !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: intentional human activity (human activity driven by purposeful motives) [12] this was unexpected here as it indicates an intentional human activity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: social welfare (care for the social aspects of human health) [13]
en: sociology (social science that studies human society and its development) [14]
en: social science (academic disciplines concerned with society and the relationships between individuals in society) [15]
en: humanities, arts and social sciences (group of humanities, arts and social sciences disciplines) [16]
en: academic major (focus of academic study leading to a degree) [17]
en: academic discipline (academic field of study or profession) [18] this was unexpected here as it indicates an academic discipline !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: social sciences and humanities (area of scholarly activity) [19]
en: science (systematic endeavor that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [20] this was unexpected here as it indicates a science !!!!!!!

Help with fixing is welcome!

Wikidata talk:WikiProject Ontology and User:Mateusz Konieczny/failing testcases has list of few more Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:37, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

The subclass relation from residential child care community (Q9311671) to child welfare (Q66305973) doesn't make sense to me; I recommend removing that. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:58, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I would agree, also the fact that "orphanage (residential institution devoted to the care of orphans)" [10] is a subclass of "residential child care community (type of orphanage)"[11] and latter has a description say "type of orphanage" seems a bit circular. Ttmms (talk) 21:16, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Seems fixed in https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q9311671&diff=prev&oldid=2348837467 ! Thanks! Though many more remain listed in User:Mateusz Konieczny/failing testcases if anyone is interested (I plan to share next one here in general project chat in 2026, let me know if I should do it earlier)

  Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

New / Updated Help Pages - Parser Functions

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Hello everyone, I am slowly going through the existing Help and other documentation pages on Wikidata to update, expand or adjust them for beginner or new to Wikidata audiences. I would appreciate your help and feedback!

Most recently, I made a dedicated page for Parser Functions. Please tell me what you think, help translate and suggest ways to improve the information presented there! Many thanks, - Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 09:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Intermediate level users will probably want to use {{Wikidata}}, maybe that should be linked to in a "See also" section at the end? Parser functions will struggle to represent anything other than best-values, which might not fill all the needs for use in infoboxes and such. The template documentation has an example section. Infrastruktur (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)

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The results of voting on the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter is available on Meta-wiki.

You may now submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. Information about eligibility, process, and the timeline are on Meta-wiki. Voting on candidates will open on 1 June 2025 and run for two weeks, closing on 15 June 2025 at 12:00 UTC.

If you have any questions, you can ask on the discussion page for the election. -- in cooperation with the U4C,

Keegan (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Florida historical marker numbers in item Descriptions are largely wrong

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Been poking at Florida historical marker pages recently, and realised that almost all of them (a) have a Description of "Florida Historic Marker F-[three digit number]", which corresponds to the marker the number was given in the official Florida state database of them, located on the bottom left corner of the sign, and (b) almost(?) all of them are wrong. Just for an example Q111453459 said it was "Florida Historic Marker F-764" when it was, in fact F-744. I've changed a few but every one I've changed has thrown the flag in the 'Florida Historical Marker List ID' Identifier as "should not be on multiple items". If anyone wants a project to go through and fix all of these descriptions and Identifiers, here you are! - The Bushranger (talk) 21:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

rapid changes

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There are several hundred entries which all have the label "LETTERS AND ANSWERS", and no description. These all have "The BMJ" for the property "published in", and a variety of unique values for the property "publication date". I want to give each of these entries the description "scientific article - The BMJ, <publication date>".

Is there a way to achieve this quickly? If so, is there a reasonably simple tool with which to achieve this, or a specific noticeboard where I should ask for this to be done? DS (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Quick Statements, https://quickstatements.toolforge.org is the tool to use Vicarage (talk) 16:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I have no idea how to formulate the requisite query. (Yes, I've read the help page. It makes several incorrect assumptions about my skill level and knowledge.) Could you either formulate it for me, or point me to a more suitable place for such a request? DS (talk) 17:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
The output from a query such as https://w.wiki/EBJR can be massaged a little to give something QuickStatements could use. The problem here is that Help:Labels says two items can't have identical combinations of label and description. This is the case here as several letters were published on the same days. Infrastruktur (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
"LETTERS AND ANSWERS" applies to a section of the journal, for which an individual issue only has one publication date, so it should be fine. As for 'massaging the query' - thank you, but see earlier 'I have no idea'. I'm only barely aware of how to run a query; composing one is beyond me, as is polishing one. (I'll ask on Wikidata:Request a query.)DS (talk) 19:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Ok. A lot of the publication dates in Wikidata are wrong e.g. LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94104248), LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94103829) and LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94103520). I just checked. Infrastruktur (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
How wonderful, a complication.
"Scientific article published in The BMJ, issue ##", then? Because entries without descriptions get on my nerves. DS (talk) 19:43, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Started up a batch [21]. It should be done fairly soon. Infrastruktur (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Could you also take every entry that has the string "Letter to the editor" in its label, and a value of <X> in the "published in" field, and a value of <n> in the "issue" field, and no description, and give them a description of "Item in <X>, issue <n>" ?
(They're not all scientific articles. Some of them aren't even scholarly articles. "Item" should cover it.) DS (talk) 23:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Support dark mode in entity page, or maybe redesign the entity page to something like from Wikimedia Commons?

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see the title DinhHuy2010 (talk) 06:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Dark mode support is under development. See phab:T385039. Samoasambia 10:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Samoasambia Alright whatabout redesign the enttiy page as a whole to something like Wikimedia Commons structed data entry? DinhHuy2010 (talk) 14:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I haven't heard about any such initiative ongoing. Samoasambia 14:46, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
ok thanks... DinhHuy2010 (talk) 03:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Secondary vs. tertiary education --> Wikidata infoboxes

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What is best practice to differentiate between secondary and tertiary education in biographical entries? My question results from this edit on English Wikipedia which, presumably, was made to supress the infobox display of the subject's secondary school in the "alma_mater=" field (according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes policy re: not secondary schools). Is there a different property we can use for "secondary education" or "high school" to resolve this issue? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 06:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
PS: For ref., re: Alexis Georgacopoulos (Q119219305)

educational stage (P7374) exists to qualify educated at (P69) statements, that seems like a useful way to filter our secondary schools from the infoboxes. M2Ys4U (talk) 16:53, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
This seems promising. Some work will need to be done on w:Template:Infobox person/Wikidata to prevent it from displaying educational stage (P7374) (I just tested it and unless the property is assigned a depreciated rank here in Wikidata, it still displays in the Wikipedia infobox). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:09, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Q42470, Q4942042 and Q1659140 – looking especially for users speaking Polish and/or Hungarian

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Hello everyone, there is an item Q42470 about the concept of "motto" as the motto of a city, country, institution and similar, with links to more than 100 versions of Wikipedia. There is also Q4942042, which has links to only two Wikipedias, pl:Dewiza in Polish and hu:Mottó (heraldika) in Hungarian. Speaking neither language and only using Google Translate, it seems to me that this should be merged with Q42470. There are other articles in Polish and Hungarian linked from Q42470: pl:Motto seems to correspond with another Wikidata item, Q1659140, which deals with the special concept of a motto at the beginning of a book. However, hu:Mottó seems right to me, with hu:Mottó (heraldika) dealing with the special case of a motto in a coat of arms. Are there any Wikidata users, especially those proficient in at least one of the languages in question, who could help to solve the puzzle? Thank you! --slg (talk) 12:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

"pl:Motto seems to correspond with another Wikidata item, Q1659140, which deals with the special concept of a motto at the beginning of a book" - as native speaker of Polish I can confirm this Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:21, 20 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Wikidata weekly summary #680

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Some wrong entries need cleanup and reassignment.

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  • en:Data broker/Information Broker (Q1418159) needs the German Wikipage de:Datenhändler added, which is currently a redirect only, but should be extended later to a separate lemma with broader scope of all aspects of data collecting, analysing and trading as covered by en:Data broker.

For some reason it won't let me add this. The formerly linked de:Informationsvermittler has a completely different scope and meaning and had to be removed for this reason from (Q1418159), it was simply wrong here: these are private companies doing de:Information Retrieval based on de:Recherchen for money.
Many thanks!--87.122.16.169 01:09, 20 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

unmanned / unstaffed / unfilled / unoccupied

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Sometimes a position in an organization is unoccupied for a period of time, but we don't have nothing suitable to express that . Item uncrewed (Q64214395) is not suitable. Needed to create new item? I would appreciate your advice. Geagea (talk) 18:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Geagea: I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do, but this sounds like what the "no value" option is for - see Wikidata:Glossary#Claim - also Help:Statements#Unknown or no values. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:04, 20 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Let's say deputy director of organization
2000 - 2010 - Martin Cohen
2010-2020 - unoccupied
2020 - today Marta Levi
How "no value" expression that? "no value" might also be other meaning. Geagea (talk) 18:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)Reply