Wikidata

Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )

Joined 14 December 2012

{{PositionHolderHistory|id=}} nature of statement=acting (Q4676846) {{Wikidata/FamilyTree|entityId=Q20656285|title={{Q|Q20656285}}|ancestors=3|descendants=3|compact=true|invert=1|years=|decorate=by-generation}}

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en-N This user has a native understanding of English.
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de-0 Dieser Benutzer beherrscht Deutsch nicht (oder versteht es nur mit beträchtlichen Schwierigkeiten).
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Why Wikidata at Flickr LOC project edit

Wikidata Q-numbers are more stable. Wikipedia entries get changed over time. At Wikipedia "John Smith" becomes "John Smith (politician)" and later "John Smith (mayor)" and later "John Smith (New Jersey mayor)". Wikipedia undergoes purges of entries. Once consensus has been reached to delete a type of entry, all entries in theta category can be purged. Over the years entries on high schools have been deleted, then later restored. Entries on mayors and lists of mayors have been purged more recently, when it was decided they need to be mayors of major cities to have a Wikipedia entry. Wikidata still retains those entries. The comments field in Flickr can only accept ASCI text so Unicode diacriticals and apostrophes do not display properly in Wikipedia urls. At Flickr urls get truncated when they encounter a period within a name. There are also 50% more people in Wikidata then there are in Wikipedia. When you find a new person that does not have an entry in Wikidata, you can create one and display the LOC image.

Wikimedia disambiguation pages edit

See: Governor Hughes (Q5589569) where we do not allow Wikimedia disambiguation pages to use "has part(s)", I think it would be useful to have the disambiguation within Wikidata. We have further entries to disambiguate than Wikipedia. For instance a news article may refer to someone only as "Governor Johnson". Should "has part(s)" be allowed?

Inception versus Incorporation edit

I have noticed a large number of error messages in places of birth and death in instance_of=human because a location did not exist when a person was born or died. The problem is that we have been using inception= instead of incorporation= for the date that the latest type of government was formed.

Location where an image is taken in structured data edit

  • Location of creation

Didier of Cahors and other medieval people with toponymic surnames edit

See Didier of Cahors (Q999529) for instance. Is there a way we can mark all the names like this. For instance we have all the Icelandic and Scandinavian people marked that use a patronymic. Should I create a new property called or "toponym for this person=" or "toponymic surname for this person=" to match "patronym or matronym for this person" RAN (talk) 17:21, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Ordinary people edit

English Wikipedia band entries on ordinary people, they need to be "famous". Wikidata has no such restrictions. See: User:Emu/Notability

Humans and Findagrave edit

I think we should stop using "user generated/crowdsourced" as a synonym for "not serious" or "unreliable" or "exploitable". Wikidata itself is user-generated, and is a reliable and serious data set because it is under the editorial control of a group of people, actively searching for, and correcting errors, and removing exploited entries. If you want a serious discussion, you have to compare error rates. At one time Encyclopedia Britannica (scholarly generated) and Wikipedia (user generated/crowdsourced) were compared. See: w:Wikipedia:Press_releases/Nature_compares_Wikipedia_and_Britannica and the Wikipedia model had fewer errors. This is because our print cycle is instantaneous, and errors are corrected on the fly. Findagrave uses the same model, and we have an image of a tombstone that gives us multiple data points. The argument "everybody who has ever lived but has died is notable" is incorrect. It is everyone who can be "described using serious and publicly available references". Most people died before record keeping. For instance the State of Pennsylvania did not start recording birth, marriages, and deaths until 1905. There are 226 million entries at Findagrave. We have over 10 million humans in Wikidata. Somehow I manage to find the exact person I am looking for in both Findagrave and Wikidata.

Conservative notability for humans edit

  • User:Gymnicus
  • User:Emu

Liberal notability for humans edit

  • User:Ajraddatz

New York Times obituary project by User:Deansfa edit

I started importing New York Times obituaries in Wikidata! I'm very happy with the result so far, I finished the 2022 year, and I'm planning in the upcoming days and weeks to do the previous years (2021, 2020, etc). Here is a Sparql query to see all the obituaries for 2022:

I will improve the query to get the date of death of the person, and to do the difference between publication date and date of death (so we can track the discrepancies).

Paywall edit

How do we note that a link is behind a paywall for "described at url"? Sometimes an obituary is behind a newspaper paywall, but the information is important for someone who may be writing a biography of that person.

There is online access status (P6954). This and access restriction status (P7228) both allow "paywall" as a value but the scope of P7228 does not currently include references. (These properties overlap - can they be merged, or is there a reason to keep them separate?) Peter James (talk) 22:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Genealogy edit

The WikiUniverse is not for genealogy is the argument I see most for deletion. While English Wikipedia may only be for people that have achieved some sort of fame, Wikidata allows anyone that can be described by reliable and public sources to have an entry, so long as they are not involved in self-promotion. Wikimedia Commons is to support other projects in the WikiUniverse like Wikidata by housing images of people, place, and things that have Wikidata entries, so long as they are properly licensed. Genealogy is educational even if some people do it as a hobby. Wikimedia Commons' mandate is to host educational images.

Autodescription edit

Have position tables incorporated into Autodescription.

Editors who want to limit entries to famous people edit

Local notability policy See: Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2023/11/09

  • Emu: "accusing two admins of not following notability policy is a pretty serious charge." Whenever someone cannot win an argument by logic or their ability to cite policy and rules, they make threating statements and write it in pseudo-legalese by calling it a "serious charge" to give it the air of an actual legal challenge. When they write: "[You are] accusing two admins", what they are actually meaning: "I am an administrator, and I have the ability to punish you with blocks and bans, so do not challenge me about policy, even if I am wrong."
  • Wolverène

Editors who have a more inclusive view of WD:Notability edit

  • Jack4576

Fair use text edit

Does Wikidata store Fair-use text? We have several fields that store fair-use text. We have "quote", "first line", "award rationale" and a few others. We limit the number of characters that Wikidata can store.

DuplicateReferences edit

The first one was done manually (though retrieved (P813) auto populates using the currentDate gadget). I then used the DuplicateReferences gadget to copy the reference to other appropriate statements and made some final manual adjustments to make the reference a better fit for the new statement. If you are planning to use the DuplicateReferences gadget you create the first reference, refresh the page and then copy and paste it to existing statements. The gadget only recognises information stored at the last page refresh (at least on Firefox), so refreshing the page in your browser when you are ready to copy and paste the reference is a small but essential step. From Hill To Shore (talk) 17:03, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Databases to scrape edit

  • DAR Ancestor
  • Findagrave cemeteries

Newspaper guy edit

User:Deansfa

Findagrave edit

Please merge into the Norton version to preserve the copyright of the text, so it is properly attributed to the correct person at the proper date. Other entries have had the date of the copyrighted text removed and my name as creator removed, leading to charges of plagiarism when the text was used elsewhere. This is important.

Javascript edit

  • User:Tohaomg/rearrange values.js

Find Q at Commons edit

Born after death of father edit

Can we scape Findagrave for all cemeteries that we do not have entries for yet? edit

We have most USA cemeteries because at one time we imported them from the GNIS database, but they are now deleted from GNIS. Findagrave appears to have at one time imported the gps data from GNIS. We only need 4 properties to identify a cemetery, See for example: Belcrest Memorial Park (Q116997076). We have most USA cemeteries, but I occasionally find one that we have not loaded. We would not take any proprietary data, just the name, gps, findgrave_id, and "located in the administrative territorial entity". We would exclude the ones where we already have a Findagrave_ID. This can be USA only or worldwide. RAN (talk) 20:22, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

To the extent existing cemetery items are not marked up with findagrave_id, your proposal would create duplicate items. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
  • That happens with every data import. I am still merging people imported from Genealogics that are duplicates of The_Peerage because one database used "Sir John Doe" and the other was "John Doe". The trick is always to minimalize duplication, but if we have zero tolerance for duplications, we would never be able to import any new data. As always, the first step is to look for instances_of=cemetery with no Findagrave_ID and see if we can find pre-existing matches. --RAN (talk) 23:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
It does not happen with every import. So far as cemeteries from FaG are concerned, there is name, local government area and coordinate data which should be used to dedupe prior to the upload. You don't seem to be proposing to make any real effort here, just rack up the unnecessary dupes. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
I think the best first step would be to try to add Findagrave identifiers to all existing cemetery WD items in the United States and Canada without them. Then after that is done, do a mass import from Findagrave. -- William Graham (talk) 00:55, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, could be useful to upload the list of all cemeteries of Findagrave in Mix'n'Match first. Ayack (talk) 08:38, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Notability edit

"It refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity. The entity must be notable, in the sense that it can be described using serious and publicly available references."

Finding Google panel edit

What links here edit

Wikidata talk:Tools/Enhance user interface

"What links here" at Wikidata needs to show usage as "structured data" at Commons. We often delete entries in Wikidata because we do not realize they are in use at Commons because we do not link to them unless they are in a Category. If there is only one item, usually a category is not created. Currently, when we are at Commons, I can see at "structured data" what Wikidata entries are linked, but I cannot see the reverse. For instance I can see that this file at Commons: File:Gabriel Reynart (1915-1988) Brazilian immigration card for 1958.jpg links to Wikidata through the category and "structured data", but from Wikidata I would not be aware of the links at Commons if the Category did not exist. I want to click on "What links here" at Wikidata at the entry for Gabriel Reynart and see the use as "structured data" at Commons.

Reliability edit

The question isn't whether crowdsourced websites like Findagrave are reliable or not reliable, it is how do their error rates compare to our own Wikidata? Is the error rate comparable and can errors be fixed? Findagrave is under the editorial control of Ancestry, and errors can be reported and if confirmed, are fixed.

German records edit

https://data.matricula-online.eu/

New property edit

  • Online Books Page book ID

How many instance_of=human have only Findagrave and Familysearch as an Identifier? edit

How many instance_of=human have only Findagrave and Familysearch as an Identifier? Currently both Identifiers are marked as not making a person notable. If they are going to be deleted, how many would that be? RAN (talk) 01:04, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I know that it could search for the property numbers myself, but I don't feel like helping when the requester doesn't even the slightest to come up with the necessary information to make a query. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 01:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
That would be FamilySearch person ID (P2889) and Find a Grave memorial ID (P535), sorry! --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 02:20, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
SELECT (COUNT(*) AS ?count)
{
  ?entity wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . 
  {
    ?entity wikibase:identifiers "1"^^xsd:integer .
    { ?entity wdt:P2889 _:FS1 . }
    UNION
    { ?entity wdt:P535 _:FG1 . }
  }
  UNION
  {
    ?entity wikibase:identifiers "2"^^xsd:integer .
    ?entity wdt:P2889 _:FS2 .
    ?entity wdt:P535 _:FG2 .
  }
}
Try it!

Obalky knih.cz edit

The identifier actually is the same as NKCR AUT ID (P691). However, not all items with NKCR AUT ID (P691) have an entry in Obalky knih.cz.

Nominated for deletion and kept edit

These are people that meet Wikidata:Notability but were nominated for deletion:

Birth after the death of the father edit

Şefik Kamil Efes edit

Familysearch does not allow people born in Turkey or Syria to appear in their public database. They are marked as private. This has something to do with the persecution of LDS members in those countries. There is no explanation on the page as to why a dead person becomes private. Private people are only visible to the person that creates the entry. I created this person's entry three times changing the birth and death information until I discovered that born in Turkey was causing the problem. The same occurs with born in Syria. The trick to keeping them public is to have them born in "Ottoman Empire".

New Lindauers edit

Incomplete proposal edit

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) president vs. Abraham Lincoln president (1809-1865) edit

There has been a push recently to add birth and death years (1900-2000) in descriptions to aid in disambiguation, but it has led to confusing label-description combinations like "John Smith husband of Jane Doe (1862-1939)" and "John Smith Mayor of Wikiland (1862-1939)" where the dates appear to be for the spouse in the first case, and the term of office in the second case. My suggestion is to move the dates to the start of the description field so they appear as "John Smith (1862-1939) husband of Jane Doe" and "John Smith (1862-1939) Mayor of Wikiland". That way they will match the order used in almost every encyclopedia, including Wikipedia. For example: "Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865), sixteenth president of the United States of America".

Legacy edit

Legacy link gives a 404 error, but other links with that property in other entries are ok.

I've run into this problem several times before and only recently found a solution. View the source code for the obituary page and search for "GBID". This is the number that should be used with Legacy.com person ID (P8367).
--Quesotiotyo (talk) 18:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Swedish biographical sources edit

Interview edit

You could use participant in (P1344) qualified by subject has role (P2868) interviewer (Q46034607) for an item about the person. The inverse would be participant (P710) qualified by object has role (P3831) interviewer (Q46034607) for an item about the interview. From Hill To Shore

Swedish cemetery maps edit

Magnus Malmberg: https://webbkarta.agrando.se/

Why do we need entries for Wikimedians? edit

  • People keep nominating Wikidata entries for Wikimedia Commons contributors but it is important to have them. At some point in the future, images at Wikimedia Commons that are under a creative commons license will fall into the public domain and be free of the creative commons attribution restrictions. We need information on the contributor now, so that people in the future can calculate 70 years after their death.
  • At "Requests for deletions" I continue to see nomination of entries for Wikimedians. My own entry was deleted last year without a nomination, I only noticed because of the broken links to Commons. Can we firm up the rules of whether Wikimedians get entries or get deleted? We currently have an ad hoc policy that leads to some deleted and some retained based on no objective policy. I see a need for entries for people that contribute images. 70 years after their death their images will be in the public domain and be freed from the restrictions of their current licenses. I don't see us being overwhelmed with contributors doxing themselves. I am not against having a minimum number of contributions to various projects.
  • I always see deletions of entries for Wikimedians with Commons Creator pages. I think we should keep people with Commons Creator pages. One day their images will fall into the public domain and be free from the restrictions of the creative commons license. The only way to track that, will be through their Wikidata entry which has information on birth and residence, to match them to an obituary when they die and calculate their post mortem auctoris (pma). Or is it so far into the future that Wikidata and Wiki Commons will not be around by then? For comparison, look at how many authors we have information on, where we only have a name, and no birth and death information. I think if contributors want to be identified by their real names and not their login ID, we should be tracking that.

Positions edit

Swedish newspapers edit

Martin Johnsson They propably will not (but send an email, they are basically only humans 🙂. Normally you will need to be at the library or at one of approx 10 libraries in the country to access it for free. You could try to contact the paper at annons@svd.se (an adress I use for placing ads in the paper, cant fins anything better), or call them at Besöks- och Postadress: Svenska Dagbladet Västra Järnvägsgatan 21 105 17 Stockholm Märk kuvertet "SvD Kundservice" Telefon: +4686180220 Öppet: Mån-fre kl. 07-17 (lör-sön stängt). Mind the time zone difference (7 hours earlier then east coast time).

WikiProjects edit

Botched police raid edit

Has part:

  • Police raid involving a deficient warrant
  • Police raid involving a civilian fatality
  • Police raid involving a law enforcement fatality
  • Police raid based on a false report of a crime
  • Police raid involving falsified evidence
  • Police raid of wrong address

Findagrave should be called Beadick edit

Frank K. being a dick on Yom Kippur because the place of burial for the parents of Gertrud Abraham are not known, so he refuses to link them together, even though both parents have an entry at Findagrave.

  • Memorial: Gertrud Abraham (218819627) Reported Problem: No change. The memorial is up to date with submitted edit. Hi thanks for the links, but this is FINDAGRAVE, not BUILT A TREE. Please resubmit, once you found the actual burial site for the parents. Thank you Frank K. ( https://www.findagrave.com/user/profile/46941322 )

Notes on positions edit

Each position has its own rules for the numbering system. Sometimes the numbering system is given by the source, other times it has to be determined with a little bit of trial and error starting with the number of the current position holder.

Proposal edit

Bot creates a table edit

User:Oravrattas

{{PositionHolderHistory|id=}} nature of statement=acting (Q4676846)

Wiki Commons contributers get entries? edit

The people of the future will want to know more about the photographer, and we are not exactly overwhelmed by people identifying themselves as contributors, most post under an anonymous screenname. If you look at VIAF and LCCN it is filled with the names of people who wrote one book, and there is no known information at all known about them. If they wrote two books and are duplicated in the list, we will never know to be able to merge the entries. We don't want to leave that mess to future generations to unravel. I am not against having a minimum number of contributions, or being a contributor for a certain number of years to get an entry to prevent spamming.

Why do we remove entries for living people that have verifiable YouTube accounts and Instagram accounts? edit

This stems from the problem of bots creating potentially fake entries that are used for fraud. Another worry is people hijacking existing verified Wikidata entries. Wikidata requires some reliable source to match a real person to an account so that it can be verified.

Exploited identifiers edit

Acronyms edit

  • LTA = Long Term Abuse.
  • SEO = Search Engine Optimization.

Priority New Identifiers edit

New concepts edit

  • Freiherr = German honrific
  • toponymic surname or locational surname should be aggregated "Xeno of Koroni"

What reference source is the most deprecated edit

I have been fixing errors and noticed that some sources have more typos than others. Is there a way to search for our most deprecated source ... typos and other errors that have to deprecated because they are never corrected at the source. See for instance Michele Cerimele (Q55836816) where I deprecated a date because of a typo in our source: "Archivio Storico Ricordi". I fixed a dozen or so typos like that today. --RAN (talk) 07:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Political graveyard edit

I may have asked before, but I never saw an answer. How do I go from http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/fitzgerald.html, which is where Google takes me, to the decimal version of the entry on the page. See for example http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/fitzgerald.html#096.28.47 ? So I can enter it in Wikidata as per this example: David Edward Fitzgerald (Q98133137) --RAN (talk) 04:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Curious arrangement. Best I can suggest is you inspect the element (i.e. look at the HTML markup) for the politician you're after, having manually located their entry on the page. So for Fitzgerald, Andrew, the element is a link <a name="194.19.01">Fitzgerald, Andrew</a>, from which you can derive the Political Graveyard politician ID (P8462) value, fitzgerald.html#194.19.01. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Vaudeville performer edit

Is there any way I can automate adding occupation=vaudeville_performer where description contains "vaudeville performer"? I was doing it by hand, but there are too many. --RAN (talk) 19:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): This report will list them. I presume you can quickstatements? 2 minute job. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

DAHR edit

  • User talk:Babaluma
  • User talk:Saverkamp

Query edit

Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/Query_Helper

Everyone and everything edit

Why doesn't Wikidata contain everyone and everything? We prioritize information dense entries and try and avoid information sparse entries. For instance VIAF and LCCN are databases of authors and other media creators. Some entries are information dense and have birth and death years. Other entries are information sparse, and always will be. There can be dozens of entries of "John Smith" as an author of a single book, and no other information. As we merge disparate databases and identify people, we need enough information to recognize that two entries in two databases are the same person.

Databases to upload edit

Calculated age edit

  • Date of Death: age at event = 86 years old

Create property edit

  • Military specialty=platoon leader, sapper, rifleman, sniper, medic, cook, radioman

COVID-19 deaths edit

Wikidata:WikiProject_COVID-19

The following query uses these:

  • Properties: cause of death (P509)     
    SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q84263196.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
Try it!

1918-1920 flu pandemic deaths edit

The best way to find more is to search for pneumonia deaths between 1918 and 1920.

The following query uses these:

  • Properties: cause of death (P509)     
    SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q178275.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
Try it!

AIDS (Q12199) 142 edit

The following query uses these:

  • Properties: cause of death (P509)     
    SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q12199.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
Try it!

AIDS related complications deaths (Q4651894) 588 edit

The following query uses these:

  • Properties: cause of death (P509)     
    SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q4651894.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
Try it!

AIDS related disease (Q28608836) 34 edit

The following query uses these:

  • Properties: cause of death (P509)     
    SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q28608836.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
Try it!

HIV (Q15787) edit

The following query uses these:

  • Properties: cause of death (P509)     
    SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q15787.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
Try it!

Images edit

Newest to be created edit

Various media edit

DAR ID edit

Error tracking edit

The following errors need to be corrected:

Project edit

  • Anders Örbom and the Ryttmästares of the Jämtland Ranger Regiment

Signatures edit

Category:SVG signatures of people from the United States
  • Thomas Patrick Norton I (1891-1968) signature from 1932.svg
  • File:Eddie August Schneider (1911-1940) signature from 1940.svg
  • Louis Julius Freudenberg (1894-1918) signature from June 5, 1917 final.svg
  • File:Arthur Oscar Freudenberg (1891-1968) signature from June 20, 1917.svg
  • John Edward Winblad

Swedish geography questions answered edit

User talk:Yger

Swedish extant graves edit

Families edit

Wikitree edit

  • Stan Courtney Schneider family
  • Jared Banta Jensen family
  • Carol (Peckham) Poulos Lattin family, she writes me telling me to turn over my Findagrave entries to her, and she told family members not to cooperate with me, that she was the family genealogist

Can a bot add in siblings? edit

If someone has 11 children with entries in Wikidata someone has to add in the 10 siblings to each record of each child for 100 entries. This could better be handled by a bot that will give fewer errors. Does one exist already?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs).

I'm not sure what the point would be. Queries would be better off just checking the parent-child data directly. --Yair rand (talk) 02:13, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I think most people would be coming to Wikidata through Google or Siri or Alexa, and not running a query using SPARQL. Especially for entries not in English Wikipedia. --RAN (talk) 13:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Poulpy used to run such a bot, I believe. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:16, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
A bot would be best, but in the short term you can use User:Matěj Suchánek/moveClaim.js to copy claims from one item to another. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:17, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
If no one has the script available, I would be willing to create and run it, if a request is made via WD:RBOT. I believe there will be more family relations that can be handled the same way (sibblings, parents/children, grand-parents, uncles, etc). I am working out something similar with ranges (follows (P155) and followed by (P156)) in a serie/chain. Edoderoo (talk) 12:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
You have User:Magnus Manske/consistency_check.js that helps - Salgo60 (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Research IDs edit

  • ORCID
  • Scopus
  • ResearcherID
  • LinkedIn

Interesting editors edit

  • Auntof6 deletes Simple English entries
  • Nikkimaria deletes information from Wikidata when deleted from English Wikipedia
  • Tagishsimon wrote "Worth noting that if you make very poor decisions when 'correcting' data, as you did here when you presumed that the DoB and DoD were transposed (in fact the problem was an erroneous DoB by 1 century), then you just make things worse." He found one error in the 1K records that I corrected.
  • Tagishsimon wrote "Are you actually able to point to a canonical list for the Mayor of New Brunswick, RAN, or are you just blowing smoke? Can you point to a NYT search for, e.g. 3rd Mayor of NB? You say "I don't think we have to worry about integrating antimayors to mirror antipopes, or pretender mayors", but I'm old enough to remember that it was you who raised this whole question of how we cater for colonial-era Mayors of New Brunswick. It seems to me that you have decided such colonial-era Mayors of New Brunswick are holders of an office distinct from post-independence Mayors of NB, and are perhaps unhappy that others think that the Mayor of NB is the mayor of NB, irrespective of the situation with the national government."
  • Tagishsimon wrote "That's a very poor understanding of news media you have there, RAN. As a simple for instance, where a news article reports source A saying "x was a botched police raid" and source B saying (in effect) "x was not a botched police raid", the news story is not 100% objective proof of a botched police raid. There's very clearly a wide and complex spectrum from successful/good police raid through to botched/unsuccessful/bad police raid. You've coined an item which has a ridiculous combination of label and description (does botched=failed? does failed=botched?). Your item has no references. Your "but it seems easier to just use my memory, and then find a find a reference using the wording 'botched raid' in the news" is nothing more than the Garbage In element of GIGO. There is no definition of scope, no criteria whatsoever for evaluating whether instances are in scope of out of scope. Really, the whole thing is risible … And I see there's more misunderstanding on your part. You have coined raid (Q107238062) with has part(s) (P527) values of "botched raid", "military raid" and "police raid". THIS IS NOT HOW WIKIDATA WORKS. "botched raid", "military raid" and "police raid" may indeed be subclasses of a raid, but WD does not list subclasses using has part(s) (P527), but rather by the subclass having a P279 pointing to the class. I fear to explore how much further you've gone with this line of work; how much more damage you've inflicted on WD. I see worrying signs of complete nonsense on police raid (Q97368680), where that item is now both a subclass of military raid (Q476807) and different from military raid (Q476807). The impression left is that you are well meaning & enthusiastic, but lack basic competence, and so unwittingly leave a trail of mess in your wake. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:50, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Tagishsimon wrote "Your supposition that a bot could be written to analyse whether a page meets a rule-based set of requirements is niave [sic] or petulant …"
  • Billinghurst deletes entries at WikiSource and leaves rude messages

Disambiguate families edit

  • Smith family
  • Smith banking family
  • John Smith (1800-1900) family
  • Smith family of New Jersey

Add photo from Flickr edit 

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?url
WHERE 
{
  ?item wdt:P973 ?url.
  optional {?item wdt:P18 ?image .}
  filter(bound(?image)=false)
  filter(contains(str(?url),"https://www.flickr.com/"))      
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
Try it!

Nakhon Pa Mak, Phitsanulok, Thailand edit

https://www.google.com/maps/@16.618615,100.3489366,3a,75y,295.31h,75.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd23iyPKgTLSnaAefffHqcw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Candidate for elected office edit

Is there a standard way we show someone was a candidate for an elected office without creating, say, 50 "candidate for Governor of state X" entries? If we created the categories would it also list the winner of the election or just the losers? --RAN (talk) 20:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

The usual way seems to be to create one item per election (often created anyway for Wikipedia), then each person can be listed with candidate (P726). E.g., 2012 South Korean presidential election (Q82241) Ghouston (talk) 04:15, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
There's also the inverse approach, using candidacy in election (P3602) on the person, pointing at the election item. --Oravrattas (talk) 08:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Death at sea edit

Did we ever finalize a way to mark a death-at-sea? We were looking for a way to harmonize all the deaths at sea and which ones had the bodies recovered and which ones did not. We created death at sea (Q46998267) but did not agree on how best to utilize it, so it was never populated beyond a few demo records ... did it progress any since I left the conversation? We have a category for deaths at sea in English Wikipedia ... but how best to mark them here so we can get a comprehensive count and a comprehensive list. --RAN (talk) 23:58, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

The problem with death at sea (Q46998267) is that it's an event, not a location, so it's inconsistent to use it as a value of place of death (P20). However, at sea (Q55438959) can be used instead, so it seems to me that death at sea (Q46998267) can be deleted. It won't be possible to make a comprehensive count without also considering more specific values like North Atlantic Ocean (Q350134) which are used as a death locations, e.g., for Thomas Andrews (Q275937). Ghouston (talk) 03:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
As a way to harmonize, what about populating "manner of death" with death at sea (Q46998267) or at sea (Q55438959) in addition to accident?
I don't think that would be the way "manner of death" is supposed to be used. It would be like having "death on a train" or "death in Germany" as values. Ghouston (talk) 23:34, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
If the desire is just to make it easy to find all the deaths at sea, it's really no different to wanting to find all deaths in any other geographical area, like Germany. You can only do it by traversing the hierarchy of locations. That would mean ideally fitting "at sea" into the same hierarchy as "North Atlantic Ocean" or "Tasman Sea". Ghouston (talk) 23:37, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

E-mail edit

mailto:xxx@xxx.xxx

Close dicussion edit

  • {{Section resolved|1=[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]}}

Recyclable FAG entries edit

Funeral homes edit

Mack Memorial Home, Central Avenue and Hutton Street, Jersey City aka Otto Mack Funeral Home

Tools edit

Norway edit

Property proposals edit

Subclass of edit

Second-order metaclass (Q24017465) for mayors of X County in New Jersey

Wikidata dynamic lists edit

Ban on synthetic fields edit

Currently we ban the creation of a field containing a url if it can be synthesized from information from another field. It would be much better if Wikidata had a field called "Worldcat url" and "CIA World Fact Book url". For instance "Worldcat url" should be synthesized automatically from the LCCN_ID into a clickable url stored directly in Wikidata. We only get a link to Worldcat if that person has an entry in Wikipedia where it is synthesized on the fly from Wikidata. Some people use Wikidata directly as a source of information.

Copyright start date edit

Would there be any interest in having the date that copyright status begins as a field for newspapers and magazines. Currently you have to search here for the publication and it tells you the start date for copyrights (as best can be discerned to date). That information could be pulled into WikiCommons and WikiSource by a template with standardized wording. See for example: here for a hand-written example for the Asbury Park Press which did not file for renewal and The Jersey Jornal which did. Some publications had a more extensive copyright clearance search performed and gaps in renewals were found for individual issues, see Time magazine as an example. We would not be able to have a single date for Time magazine. --RAN (talk) 19:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

The template reading the Wikidata date would add this statement to the category for the articles in Commons and in Source:--RAN (talk) 02:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles published in the Jersey Journal are in the public domain prior to February 9, 1929. All articles starting on that date are currently under active copyright.

New Subclasses edit

  • city halls of Bergen County, New Jersey
  • city halls of Hudson County, New Jersey
  • Category:City halls in New Jersey

Things to automate edit

Participants in the w:1915 Indianapolis 500 added to Property:P1344

Authorities that use Wikidata edit

Findagrave edit

Since English Wikipedia is removing links to Findagrave and the people removing the links refuse to migrate the data to Wikidata before deletion ... I wonder if we have a bot that finds the most probable matches and just needs a human eye to confirm or deny? Both Ancestry.com and Familysearch have this function. We migrated over the Findagrave ID if it used a standard template in external links in Wikipedia but most articles did not use that template. Most articles used it as a reference for the place of burial, and those are the ones being deleted now. --RAN (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

That looks like it only ran for flagged "famous" people, mostly actors. I add politicians, and they are almost never famous at Findagrave and I have to search for them manually. Can the bot be adjusted, I would love to have that as a project. --RAN (talk) 05:51, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Candidates edit

Locational dopplegangers edit

  • Princeton (Q138518)
  • Chatham
  • Andover Borough / Township, Berlin Borough / Township, Boonton Town / Township, Bordentown City / Township, Burlington City / Township, Chatham Borough / Township, Chester Borough / Township , Clinton Town / Township, Egg Harbor City / Township, Freehold Borough / Township, Gloucester City / Township, Hopewell Borough / Township, Lebanon Borough / Township, Mendham Borough / Township --- Audubon / Audubon Park, Barnegat Light / Barnegat Township, Englewood / Englewood Cliffs, Haddon Township / Haddonfield. Haddon Heights, the Cape Mays and Wildwoods.
  • There are also counties that are also cities like Baltimore and Los Angeles. This can be confusing.

Lost at sea or died at sea edit

To cluster people who were lost at sea in an airplane or boat. To cluster people who died aboard an airplane or boat but the body was recovered. lost at sea (Q99255530) death at sea (Q46998267)

People with topographical names edit

Wikidata specific items edit

Where to add proposals edit

Proposals yet to be made edit

Done edit

http://objekte.jmberlin.de/person/jmb-pers-541577 Jewish Museum Berlin person ID

Proposals completed edit

VIAF duplicates edit

Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P214

I’ve had good results sending corrections to VIAF using the “send us a comment” link on the bottom of their page. I included the VIAF and wikidata IDs and an external reference for the particular problem, and they fixed it in about a week. - PKM (talk) 20:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Proposed projects edit

Wikicalendar, a new wiki project so that full dates in articles can link to information on that day. A cursor hover will show the full date, day of the week, and how many years and days ago the event took place. A click on the link will bring you to a list of events that occurred on that day. People who were born and who died. Wikipedia pages that contain this information on specific dates can be migrated. Wikipedia pages can choose to just have the cursor hover for information on that date or a full link to Wikicalender.

Autolist edit

Spanish names edit

Movies edit

Find date of birth edit

Noticeboard edit

Projects edit

Extra permissions edit

Chat for questions edit

Purge cache edit

Property lists edit

Tools edit

1918 flu pandemic deaths edit

Ages edit

Interesting people edit


Key: ^ = Wikipedia article, § = Commons category or gallery but no Wikipedia entry, * = needs a commons category created and a public domain document uploaded, 1 = degree of separation from a Wikipedia or Commons entry, ¶ = genealogics entry

More interesting people edit

Reference books edit

Cemeteries edit

English Wikipedia edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive299#Richard_Arthur_Norton

Churches edit

Test version edit

Reports edit

Dolly Zoom edit

Quote edit

"I only watch Colbert" Andromeda Strain (miniseries)

Typos in authority files edit

Implausible death dates edit

Events in my life edit

Somerset County Historical Society edit

  • Create a Wikimedia account for the Somerset County Historical Society.
  • Scan and post the oldest photos.
  • Add a new tombstone block to at least one distressed grave a year similar to DAR using GoFundMe, See Simon Addis.
  • Is this our website https://www.schsnj.com/

Somerset County Historical Society edit

Contacted edit

  • Responded! Phone: Donald Esposito; April 1, 2021
  • Email: Fred Sisser III fsisser@verizon.net ; April 1, 2021
  • Responded! Phone: Jim Kurzenberger: Phone: 908-725-1015 (this is the Wallace House); April 1, 2021

Early films I liked edit

  • Brainstorm (1983 film)
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