Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Property proposal:	Generic	Authority control	Person	Organization
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Authority controlEdit

See also wikidata:property proposal/Pending for approved items awaiting the deployment of currently unavailable datatypes

Already approved properties: list

TrueAchievements game IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a video game in the TrueAchievements database
Represents	TrueAchievements (Q7847301)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Allowed values	\w[-\w]*(?:dlc/[-\w]+)?
Example 1	Observer (Q25340021) → observer
Example 2	BioShock 2 (Q302839) → BioShock-2
Example 3	BioShock 2: Minerva's Den (Q24806656) → BioShock-2/dlc/Minervas-Den
Example 4	Zone of the Enders HD Collection (Q40889213) → Zone-of-the-Enders-HD-Collection
Example 5	Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (Q717600) → Metal-Gear-Solid-V-The-Phantom-Pain, Metal-Gear-Solid-V-The-Phantom-Pain-Xbox-360
Source	https://www.trueachievements.com/games.aspx
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	6300+
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.trueachievements.com/game/$1

MotivationEdit

TrueAchievements (Q7847301) is a database of video game (Q7889), mostly published on Xbox (but also Windows). It also has downloadable content (Q1066707) − I don’t think they warrant their own property though, so I integrate them here (we currently consider DLCs a subclass of video games). A little usage on English Wikipedia. The data model is per platform-realization, so there may be more than one entry for our Q7889 items. Jean-Fred (talk) 18:23, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

DiscussionEdit

Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Support Jc86035 (talk) 08:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment Aaarg, realised there is a numerical ID system which does resolves, eg Observer (Q25340021) → 6599. However, it does not work for DLCs. Meanwhile, there is a parallel ID system “Product ID”, which has a wider scope (also includes bundles), but does work for both games and DLCs (eg 27037)… Not too sure how best to proceed... Jean-Fred (talk) 12:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@Jean-Frédéric: My suggestion would be to edit this property proposal to be for the numeric game ID and then create another for the numeric product ID. Jc86035 (talk) 11:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

RAL IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	RAL ID from the RAL Classic color system
Data type	External identifier
Domain	property
Allowed values	RAL\d{4}
Example 1	RAL 1001 (Q35793728) → RAL 1001
Example 2	RAL 2002 (Q13358072) → RAL 2002
Example 3	RAL 3009 (Q35802922) → RAL 3009
Example 4	RAL 4005 (Q35806720) → RAL 4005
Source	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RAL_colors
Number of IDs in source	~243
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)

MotivationEdit

Rename all RAL colors and possibly merge them with other color entities without loosing information. This could then also possibly be used as a quantifier for sRGB color hex triplet (P465) to determine which of the given HEX codes matches the RAL color. I'm not sure about merging some items, in general I would like to gather some input on this topic. First step is do have the property :) --DaSch (talk) 19:46, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment I don't understand your proposal. The value of the property is the (English) label? Is there a formatter URL? How is this an identifier? Couldn't you just use name (P2561) or official name (P1448) for this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
- Well it's like a cataloge for colors that also have a name. Currently they are all put into the Q as an alias. So the actucal name of the color should be used as the label and the identifier. Sadly there is no URL formatter as there are no distinct pages for every color available. They are all on one URL: https://www.ral-farben.de/inhalt/anwendung-hilfe/alle-ral-farbnamen/uebersicht-ral-classic-farben.html --DaSch (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Support, but I think you should do a proposal for RAL ID, and other for RAL name. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Just repeats the label/ official name, and too few in number. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Support - I think this property is important to enable easy identification of colours, for example with automatic identification. I do however think that the prefix RAL should be removed, as this is obsolete and if used as (external) identifier, an URL will likely not be http:...RAL 1001 but http:...&id=1001. I agree with Tinker Bell that there also should be a separate property for the RAL name. Romaine (talk) 13:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Gry-Online game IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a video game in the Gry-Online database
Represents	Gry Online (Q55613038)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Crash Time 4: The Syndicate (Q2636956) → 1
Example 2	Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (Q2291549) → 10
Example 3	BioShock 2: Minerva's Den (Q24806656) → 1424
Example 4	StarCraft: Brood War (Q840409) → 6680
Example 5	Ministry of Broadcast (Q84165734) → 22901
Source	https://www.gry-online.pl/gry/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	22942
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.gry-online.pl/gra.asp?ID=$1 ; https://gamepressure.com/game.asp?ID=$1

MotivationEdit

Gry Online (Q55613038) is a Polish website and online database of ~30K video games. It has two websites: the Polish gry-online.pl, and the English gamepressure.com − the ID system is shared between the two (hence two formatter URL). Significant usage on the Polish Wikipedia (with gry-online), quite some on English Wikipedia and a couple of others. Jean-Fred (talk) 20:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

DiscussionEdit

Support It need title in the url otherwise it linking to the most interesting materials instead of game page. See Eurohunter (talk) 21:35, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Support Like Eurohunter wrote - it should be string datatype. Sir Lothar (talk) 13:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
If the proposal is already in “Ready”, please change-it back to not ready if you are going to make significant changes to the proposal.

I disagree, because crash-time-iv-the-syndicate/z11 is clearly not an Identifier but a slug (which have a habit to not be very stable). The numeric IDs are likely to be way more stable. If it’s just a formatter URL ; then let’s use the gamepressure one which resolves cleanly to the “more interesting material”. (see eg https://gamepressure.com/game.asp?ID=1) Jean-Fred (talk) 17:13, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I think using gamepressure.com would be OK, as they didn't change formatter and still use numeric ID. Sir Lothar (talk) 10:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
@Eurohunter, Sir Lothar: That's very uncool to radically change a proposed identifier like that without even pinging the proposer. I agree with Jean-Fred, if this is an ID then a numeric ID is much preferable. I ~~Oppose~~ (struck since this was changed back again, thanks) the current modified version of this proposal. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith, Jean-Frédéric: Sorry, I thought that if the discussion is still going on, then user can modify proposal (like "Be bold" on Wikipedia). My mistake - I'll remember that next time. I still think that it's better to send reader to the main site of entity (like [1]), rather than to side materials. Sir Lothar (talk) 15:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: the first problem here is that you marked it as ready when it wasn't ready (the only support vote wanted the property to look differently then it's proposed). It has no support votes in the form that was proposed and thus shouldn't be marked as ready in it's current form. Please read discussions before marking properties as ready. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
For clarity, I’m the one who remarked it as ready − since it seemed to me that Sir Lothar agreed with the numeric ID as long as the formatter URL would be changed to https://gamepressure.com/game.asp?ID=$1 Jean-Fred (talk) 11:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

FactGrid property IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a property in FactGrid
Represents	FactGrid (Q90405608)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	instance of (P31) → P2
Example 2	VD 18 ID (P6135) → P370
Example 3	sex or gender (P21) → P154
Source	https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Main_Page
Planned use	Syncing through collaboration
Formatter URL	https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:$1

MotivationEdit

See Wikidata:Property proposal/FactGrid item ID#Motivation --Adam Harangozó (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment I believe there is a plan to allow wikibases to directly query Wikidata properties in the near future, not quite sure how this relates, have you looked into this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Not yet but I will now, thank you! Adam Harangozó (talk) 14:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

It came up in the recent Wikidata office hours on telegram, I'm not sure it's been documented elsewhere. Here's the relevant quote that I caught:

"We started working on Federated Properties: this MVP will make it possible to configure your new Wikibase to remotely access Wikidata’s properties to make local statements, instead of creating your own properties from scratch. Any updates the community makes to Wikidata properties will be reflected automatically in Wikibases with this feature enabled! As an MVP, this is a minimal version of what will eventually be a full-fledged feature We will use it to learn as much as we can about federation between wikibases, and between wikibases and Wikidata!"

ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Adam Harangozó:So is there still a need for this property, or should this discussion be closed? --Kristbaum (talk) 23:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Picardia IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an article on Picardia
Data type	External identifier
Domain	all
Example 1	Q3162563 → Jardin-des-Plantes-d-Amiens
Example 2	Prémontré Abbey (Q334110) → Abbaye-de-Premontre
Example 3	François-Noël Babeuf (Q189714) → Babeuf-Gracchus
Formatter URL	https://encyclopedie.picardie.fr/$1.html

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject France. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

DiscussionEdit

Comment I inspected the page and it seems each article has its own integer ID: for example, Q3162563 has the ID 228 and can be accessed through this url: https://encyclopedie.picardie.fr/spip.php?page=article&id_article=228. It's probably more difficult to get (although it's referenced multiple times in the source page and we can document it), but it's probably more stable than the SEO-friendly piece of URL. --Deansfa (talk) 02:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Oppose defunct wiki (with very small activity) turned into a more regular collaborative website, quite small and not authoritative, see also comment by Manu on Wikidata:Property proposal/Wiki-Narbonne ID. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 15:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Grandterrier.net IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an article on Grandterrier.net
Data type	External identifier
Domain	all
Example 1	Jean Le Reste (Q95883177) → Jean_Le_Reste,_maire_(1983-1989)
Example 2	Jean-Pierre Huitric (Q95883518) → Jean-Pierre_Huitric,_maire_(2001-2008)
Example 3	René Bolloré (Q3425882) → René_Bolloré_(1911-1999),_résistant_et_entrepreneur
Formatter URL	http://grandterrier.net/wiki/index.php?title=$1

Notified participants of WikiProject France. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

Oppose too small and very small activity(almost a personal wiki edited only by one person), see also comment by Manu on Wikidata:Property proposal/Wiki-Narbonne ID. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 15:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Salutations @VIGNERON:, There are 276 registered, but indeed one contributor seems to be doing the very bulk of the site, the last active sysop. The site seems more active than you think so (much more than the other site described by Manu1400). There are over 33000 articles. (retrieved from http://grandterrier.net/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Specialpages - and yes, it's MediaWiki, but it's not listed on the pages. tsssss). Maybe you could see together if this is a benefit for WD or not. Cordialy-ement. —Eihel (talk) 18:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

KKBox track IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an track on KKBox site
Represents	KKBOX (Q10851252)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	audio track (Q7302866), song (Q7366)
Example 1	Angels Ain't Listening (Q95691387) → 73e00x4AG5L2cx1f2cx1f0XL
Example 2	Blinding Lights (Q96264870) → prP00TLC88ph1HRBh1HRB0XL
Example 3	Alors on danse (Q708698) → E3pOrcI0FI98Y1rS61rS60P4
Source	https://www.kkbox.com
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Putting value to tracks available on the KKBox site.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.kkbox.com/tw/en/song/$1-index.html
See also	KKBox album ID (P5153), KKBox artist ID (P5154)
Single value constraint	no
Distinct values constraint	yes

MotivationEdit

Property for tracks included in KKBox. Eurohunter (talk) 20:36, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Oppose we don't need to create identifiers for every streaming site out there, and there doesn't seem to be any particularly valuable information at this site that isn't available elsewhere. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Andrew Gray: These are not arguments. There are already track ID for Shazam, Deezer and other stores as well as KKBox artist ID. Eurohunter (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  - And this is not a justification. Having properties for some online stores does not mean we are required to link to all of them. Andrew Gray (talk) 17:20, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
    - @Andrew Gray: Why do you think it is limited? Where is the limit? 2, 5, 10, 17 or 237 store IDs and why? Eurohunter (talk) 18:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Offizielle Deutsche Charts album IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an album on Offizielle Deutsche Charts site
Represents	Offizielle Deutsche Charts (Q64569517)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	album (Q482994)
Example 1	LOL <(^^,)> (Q664873) → 39596
Example 2	Different World (Q59617920) → 374965
Example 3	Racine carrée (Q14566706) → 222247
Source	https://www.offiziellecharts.de
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Putting value to albums available on the Offizielle Deutsche Charts site.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.offiziellecharts.de/$1
See also	Offizielle Deutsche Charts artist ID (P6893)

MotivationEdit

Property for albums included in Offizielle Deutsche Charts. Eurohunter (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Music. Trivialist (talk) 02:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Comment Shouldn't this be called "title ID" rather than "album ID" ? Moebeus (talk) 10:01, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Moebeus: Why? It's standard album ID. Eurohunter (talk) 15:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: It's a little confusing when it applies to both albums and singles ("titels" ?) as per you example, I think it would be helpful if the Identifier name reflects that it covers both? Apart from that, I'm in support of this. Moebeus (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Moebeus: Maybe it should have two id's for album and song ("title")? Eurohunter (talk) 16:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Support Moebeus (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
~~Oppose~~ I would support this proposal if it were split into two separate properties, since that way it would be much easier to handle constraint violations and the values would be much shorter. Jc86035 (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Jc86035: @Moebeus: @Trivialist: Splitted Eurohunter (talk) 14:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Support Jc86035 (talk) 14:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Strong oppose,
- The site centralizes 6 different types of ID and they are not present in your proposal.
- Depending on what you write above, the separation between "song" and "album" is unnecessary, as titles can be included in several types (pop, vinyl, etc.).
- The IDs on the site are similar to the same form as IMDb: THE-TYPE-numeric_identifier.
- The fields do not match each other in your proposal.
- Rest assured: it would be interesting to have a property like this, but surely not from this proposal. Copy to rework. —Eihel (talk) 21:53, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Earth Ukraine identifierEdit

Under discussion

Description	Identifier of natural object in Wiki Loves Earth Ukraine
Represents	Wiki Loves Earth (Q16695775)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	objects of nature, parks, natural reserves etc
Allowed values	\d{2}-\d{3}-\d{4}
Example 1	Kyiv Zoo (Q2459274) → 80-391-5002
Example 2	Sofiyivsky Park (Q2297522) → 71-108-5001
Example 3	Carpathian Biosphere Reserve (Q3612435) → 21-212-5018
Planned use	I will math all entries from the list of natural objects to Wikidata items (as far as possible) and add this new property
Number of IDs in source	somewhere around 6000
Formatter URL	https://wle.toolforge.org/?id=$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Yes, but I will do it myself

MotivationEdit

This new property will make it much easier to track items about Ukrainian natural objects in Wikidata, and so, it will be easier to update such items with valuable information, like images or sizes of area. Also, it is a valuable external identifier, as it links to an entry in a table of natural objects, which was provided by the government and published by the WLE-UA organizers, and which holds a lot of useful information. Tohaomg (talk) 11:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

This is an identifiers invented by Wikimedians or based on something external? Multichill (talk) 10:48, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
It is invented by wikimedians (first five digits are Classification of objects of the administrative-territorial system of Ukraine (Q1564708) code of administrative unit and last four are the sequence number), but there are no official government identifiers for natural objects, so this is the best we can have. Government keeps account of all natural objects in Ukraine, but they do not publish their lists anywhere. WLE organizers each year write a request to the Ministry of Environmental Protection for those lists, and after receiving them, publish them. Those lists have information about natural objects which is hard to find elsewhere, if possible at all. --Tohaomg (talk) 08:24, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
@Tohaomg: When Wiki Loves Monuments was started, we allowed these kind of made up id's because we had no alternative. Now we have an alternative: Wikidata. Instead of introducing a new made up foreign key here, I would introduce the Wikidata qid in your dataset. That way you can link everything together. Take for example w:uk:Вікіпедія:Вікі любить Землю/Черкаська область. See for example w:nl:Lijst van rijksmonumenten in Vogelenzang how I added the wikidata item on the Dutch Wikipedia. Multichill (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Comment @Tohaomg, Multichill: Completely internal external-ID, I am unable to give an opinion, perhaps a URL type. —Eihel (talk) 01:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Southern Poverty Law Center group IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for group that the SPLC classifies as hate group
Represents	Southern Poverty Law Center (Q2061914)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	League of the South (Q3240534) → league-south
Example 2	Nation of Islam (Q220222) → nation-islam
Example 3	National Socialist Movement (Q1073799) → national-socialist-movement
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/$1

MotivationEdit

The SPLC is a non-profit organization that keeps track of hate groups and individual extremists. Labelling hate groups is often difficult in Wikidata and Wikipedia, an external identifier with extra information may often helpful as reference and for further information for users to educate themselves about a particular group. While these entries are up for debate, Wikipedia writes "Since the 2000s, the SPLC's classification and listings of hate groups (organizations it has assessed either "attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics")[10] and extremists[11] have often been described as authoritative and are widely accepted and cited in academic and media coverage of such groups and related issues". Also, currently these items have plenty of outlinks to Twitter/Facebook/Youtube but no real authority control. Hannes Röst (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Wait Only 68 groups currently, according to https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/groups . Meanwhile, use described at URL (P973). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Interesting, they claim to track 940 hate groups in 2019 but I guess not all of them have an entry? It seems some are just listed for example here but do not have their own identifier. I agree that 68 is not really enough to justify a new property. Best regards --Hannes Röst (talk) 17:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I changed description to a more neutral point of view. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 19:12, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

MobyGames attribute IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a attribute on MobyGames
Data type	External identifier
Domain	MobyGames (Q612975)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Video Graphics Array (Q17194) - 27
Example 2	In-game Purchases (includes random items) (Q56422946) - 2799
Example 3	GeForce 20 series (Q56196481) - 3151
Mix'n'match	3646
Formatter URL	https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,$1

MotivationEdit

--Trade (talk) 05:41, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposal date: 10:36‎, 12 August 2020 (UTC) —Eihel (talk) 13:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Strong oppose So your "attributes" are information about the use of the games. Linking items other than the games themselves seems like bad data linking. More concretely, to say that 3D Lemmings (Q615921) is playable on DOS (Q170434) is correct. But to say that DOS is identified through this site is not correct. Maybe you could see what you can do with "attributes" with P1933 for example. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 18:05, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by “information about the use of the games”.

To give some perspective, MobyGames classifies games along many dimensions, many of which under the MobyGames genre ID (P7326)) umbrella (genre but also interface type, pacing, perspective), some others under MobyGames group ID (P5360) (series, but also budget ranges or game engines), and finally some others as so-called “attributes” − this includes video modes, content ratings, operating system versions, input devices, CPUs, business models… Jean-Fred (talk) 19:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Dictionary of Occupational Titles IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for occupational titles in the Dictionary of Occupational Titles (fourth edition, revised)
Represents	Dictionary of Occupational Titles (Online) (Q98280774)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	profession (Q28640), occupation (Q13516667)
Allowed values	`\d{2}\/\d{9}`
Example 1	forest ecologist (Q98280708) → 04/040061030
Example 2	baggage handler (Q4841568) → 91/910687010
Example 3	judge (Q16533) → 11/111107010
Example 4	optometrist (Q9052719) → 07/079101018
Example 5	nurse midwife (Q85790021) → 07/075264014
Example 6	librarian (Q182436) → 10/100127014
Example 7	janitor (Q84312746) → 38/382664010
Source	https://occupationalinfo.org/
Planned use	will add as needed for occupation of persons
Number of IDs in source	unknown
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://occupationalinfo.org/$1.html
See also	Wikidata:Property proposal/Dictionary of Occupational Titles Code (fourth edition, revised) ROME Occupation Code (v3) (P867), NOC Occupation Code (P918), SOC Code (2010) (P919), ISCO-88 occupation code (P952), KldB-2010 occupation code (P1021), CNO-11 occupation code (P1022), SBC-2010 occupation code (P1023), SBFI occupation code (P1024), IDEO Job ID (P1043), Portuguese Job Code CPP-2010 (P1052), Statistics Denmarks classification of occupation (DISCO-08) (P1069), ESCO Occupation ID (P4652), ISCO-08 occupation code (P8283)

MotivationEdit

This source of occupational titles has terms that are not available in other vocabularies such as LCSH and LCDGT and will be a useful identifier to include in items when one is available. Today I created an item for "forest ecologist" and the only external identifier I was able to find for this was in this dictionary of occupational titles. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 11:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment Note the "codes" listed in the dictionary differ from these ID's (which seem to be based on the web page locations) - for example for Optometrist the code is actually '079.101-018'. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:58, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment I was thinking of proposing a separate property for the code, if you think that would be a useful additional property. Adam L. Schiff (talk) 17:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment Are these codes still authoritative in any way (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_Occupational_Titles and is this the authorative website for this)? I am bit confused, in Wikipedia it says "The DOT was later rendered obsolete and was replaced by an online database which was based largely on voluntary input from occupation incumbents" -- is this the website we are looking at or an un-authorized reproduction? What about https://www.onetcenter.org/overview.html ? It does seem quite comprehensive so I am slightly in favor. Also, can we use the hierarchy in any way to map to the hierarchy we have here at WD? --Hannes Röst (talk) 21:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment The online site says "This is the complete Dictionary of Occupational Titles (DOT) revised fourth edition, as supplied electronically by the US Dept. of Labor, provided, as a public service, by ITA, makers of DOT and O*Net for Windows". Both the DOT and the ONET sources are used regularly by catalogers recording occupations in LC name authority records, so while the DOT is no longer published in print, the online site is consulted regularly to record occupations of persons in name authorities. If ONET online doesn't have its own external identifier property, I will propose that too, since catalogers use both sources for occupation terms, particularly when one is not available in LCSH or LCDGT. Adam L. Schiff (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment The U.S. Department of Labor also maintains an online version of the DOT, but in a form unsuitable for linking from Wikidata. The DOL site (https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oalj/topics/libraries/LIBDOT) says "So, why is the DOT still on the Office of Administrative Law Judges (OALJ) website? It is because the DOT is still used in Social Security disability adjudications and the OALJ copy of the DOT is often cited as an authoritative source of the DOT." So while DOT has been replaced by ONET as a source of occupational information, the DOT is still used by catalogers. Adam L. Schiff (talk) 22:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment looking at Wikidata property for occupations (Q24043375), I found no less than 13 identifiers for occupations, including country specific ones from France (2x), Canada, US, Germany, Spain, Dutch, Switzerland, Portugal, Denmark, Europe, and two international systems ISCO-88 occupation code (P952) and ISCO-08 occupation code (P8283). It seem like a lot of systems (however only 5 have more than 100 items). Have you looked at SOC Code (2010) (P919) and Standard Occupational Classification System (Q7598269) -- do we need two systems for the US or would one suffice? Will we need all three DOT, ONET and SOCS, are there any mapping tables? I am just trying to understand how to best approach this. --Hannes Röst (talk) 01:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment I personally think that if there are identifiers for occupations from different sources/systems, that the number of them isn't really relevant. Wikidata ought to be able to link from an occupation item to any equivalent other code or vocabulary sources. Within the Library of Congress Name Authority File, there are only a few vocabularies for occupations that have been assigned codes that can be used in MARC authority records. That list is at https://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/occupation.html. As you can see, DOT and ONET are among those that catalogers can use and specify where the occupation term comes from. In NACO, we only use English-language terms in authority records, so we would not have any use for lists of terms from Germany, Spain, etc. In LC/NACO authority records, we do not record codes for occupations, only terms, but we can link from a term to the URI for the term in a particular source vocabulary. I don't see that Wikidata should sanction or prefer one source of identifiers over any others. If there a different sources that define and provide a URI or code for "anesthesiologist", I say let them all be able to be recorded in Wikidata. --Adam L. Schiff (talk) 23:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Support IMO Wikidata should and will end up being the mapping table between all of these. We should be the Rosetta stone of the internet, cataloging what every language, every site, and every catalog calls every (notable) entity. --99of9 (talk) 03:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Support can you change the description to specify the version (4.0) of the codes? I think the code itself should also be recorded as has been suggested above. --Hannes Röst (talk) 15:34, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Maybe it would be good to see how this is different from Wikidata:Property proposal/Dictionary of Occupational Titles Code (fourth edition, revised) by having (at least a few) samples for the same occupation. Oppose having both. --- Jura 13:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- janitor and librarian are examples in both proposals. --- UWashPrincipalCataloger 18:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
@99of9, Hannes Röst, ArthurPSmith: please see Wikidata:Property proposal/Dictionary of Occupational Titles Code (fourth edition, revised). This is essentially the same, but the format proposed there seems preferable. --- Jura 11:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Fancyclopedia 3 IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	Fancyclopedia 3 Page Identifier
Represents	Fancyclopedia 3 (Q98553880)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Q15633582
Allowed values	\S{1,128}
Example 1	Douglas Adams (Q42) → Douglas_Adams
Example 2	Isaac Asimov (Q34981) → Isaac_Asimov
Example 3	Robert Silverberg (Q314553) → Robert_Silverberg
Source	http://fancyclopedia.org
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	add identifiers linked to in articles on science fiction others I'm systematically updating on de-WP
Number of IDs in source	61408 (all ns, as of 2020-08-22, see http://fancyclopedia.org/Special:Statistics)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://fancyclopedia.org/$1

MotivationEdit

Fancyclopedia 3 is an online encyclopedia collecting information on science fiction fandom events, persons etc. It is AFAIK the best source for information on fandom activities (e.g. conventions, attendance/guest of honor of SF authors, etc.). I have been including links to Fancyclopedia in SF articles on de-WP for a while and would like to have them on Wikidata, too. WolfgangRieger (talk) 09:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment Should we use all the pages of this wiki? If we count the content pages (still in the stats page), there are only 192 today. Also, a lot of pages just have Reasonator. —Eihel (talk) 07:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Support The count of "Content pages" on https://fancyclopedia.org/Special:Statistics is weirdly low. There are nearly 7k pages on conventions, along with 5k on fanzines, and over 6k on people. The presence of Reasonator shows their awareness and interest in Wikidata, so providing backlinks would be helpful. JesseW (talk) 18:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

NMC Heritage IDEdit

Under discussion

Represents	Nagpur Municipal Corporation heritage (Q98969397)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Jumma Talao (Q15277486)
Example 2	Jumma Gate (Q98969560)
Example 3	Chhatri in Memory of Rao Bahadur Mukherji (Q98972794)
Source	https://www.nmcnagpur.gov.in/assets/250/2018/10/mediafiles/word_file_Index(14082015).pdf
Planned use	Use as local heritage identifier for ongoing Wiki Loves Monuments.
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)

MotivationEdit

Creating a database of local heritage of Nagpur City for ongoing Wiki Loves Monuments campaign. Shivashree (talk) 22:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment Hello @Shivashree: A proposal for an external identifier without an identifier. You can take inspiration from other proposals to better complete yours. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 08:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
The first and third are 46/138/DC/2015 and 88/138/DC/2015; I'm not sure about the second. The links go to a 404 error page, but links are not necessary. The identifiers all end in /138/DC/2015 - is this part of a system of identifiers in use throughout Maharashtra? Peter James (talk) 21:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Geneanet Family Name IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	ID for a family name on Geneanet
Represents	family name (Q101352)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Sylvain (Q18001608) → SYLVAIN
Example 2	Smith (Q1158446) → SMITH
Example 3	Lopez (Q26078995) → LOPEZ
Example 4	Andersson (Q2817217) → ANDERSSON
Number of IDs in source	119245338
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://en.geneanet.org/surnames/$1 (en), https://www.geneanet.org/nom-de-famille/$1 (fr)

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Genealogy
Notified participants of WikiProject Names

Useful for finding family names origin and visualizing their space-time distribution. Ayack (talk) 16:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment This looks interesting, but all three examples return "Name not found." for me? Moebeus (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Not all names have their origin in English (neither in French by the way, since there are more than 100M names in the database). But for each name, you have the heat map and the places where the name is most found for the period. Ayack (talk) 16:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Comment I think it could be interesting to add the equivalent of search formatter URL (P4354) to family name (Q101352), or maybe search formatter URL (P4354) directly to Geneanet (Q3100478) with a suitable qualifier. --- Jura 16:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Draft proposal at Wikidata:Property proposal/word lookup. --- Jura 08:15, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment Interesting, but extension to all languages/areas of geneanet.org e.g. de, gw, nl, etc. With names like Schmidt one gets almost 2 million results in the former. What http://gw.geneanet.org is all about I do not know. Klaas `Z4␟` V: 08:35, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Geneall IDEdit

Under discussion

Represents	Geneall (Q10288674)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	people
Allowed values	\d+
Example 1	Santiago Usoz y Mozi (Q55077084) → 550509
Example 2	José Sánchez Marco (Q5945721) → 2456350
Example 3	George IV, Count of Erbach-Fürstenau (Q19902307) → 1692929
Example 4	George W. Bush (Q207) → 25680
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	4067188
Formatter URL	https://geneall.net/en/name/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Partially Mix'n'Match

MotivationEdit

Even most of the contents are under paywall, this site does provide some very basic information about a person. GZWDer (talk) 09:55, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment - For some persons there is no basic information available to public without paid registration; for example 2. Then the website also lists peoples by their surnames. Do you have plans to include that too with this same proposal or creating new proposal for surname.-❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 15:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Requires an account. Without information as is. No real identifier for open data. Data only accessible: date of birth and death, dates that can be seen on other open sites. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 07:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose per Eihel. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 02:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Baidu Baijia IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	ID of website page to baijiahao
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	\d+
Example 1	China Central Television (Q207936) -> 1570168240515616
Example 2	Guancha (Q17500632) -> 1546608532556400
Example 3	The Paper (Q17499997) -> 1574072008111128
Formatter URL	https://author.baidu.com/home?&app_id=$1
See also	Baidu (Q14772)

MotivationEdit

This website gathers some famous media, I think this should be useful. -akko (talk) 08:16, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Weak support Acceptable since we are doing other social media sites. --Artoria2e5 (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Basic Formal Ontology IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier in Basic Formal Ontology (BFO), a top-level ontology developed by Barry Smith and his associates for the purposes of promoting interoperability among domain ontologies
Represents	Basic Formal Ontology (Q4866972)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	independent continuant (Q53617489) → BFO_0000004
Example 2	entity (Q35120) → BFO_0000001
Example 3	continuant (Q103940464) → BFO_0000002
Formatter URL	http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/BFO_$1

MotivationEdit

Basic Formal Ontology gets used a lot in biology, so it's worth being able to reference it directly even when at the moment there aren't that many entries. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Molecular biology ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:09, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support + Comment It seems reasonable. I wonder if we want all OBO Foundry ontologies to have specific properties on Wikidata. I think they are generally very useful. As a side note, one of the examples says independent continuant (Q53617489) → 0000002, but BFO_0000002 is Class: continuant, I think it was a typo or something. Best, TiagoLubiana (talk) 02:40, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I fixed the value. I copy paste and forgot to fill in the proper values. I do think that we likely want all the OBO Foundry ontologies to have external ID properties in Wikdiata. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 10:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Support --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 01:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Basic Formal Ontology has only 35 class terms. Linking with equivalent class (P1709) would be sufficient. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 09:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- While it has few items, having the ability to look up the definition quickly is valuable. The fact that the items are on top of the ontology also means that they are likely to be seen much more often then a lot of other items. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@ChristianKl: Yes, the ability to look up the definition is useful and it is possible to do that without creating a property. Not sure I properly understand your point about items on top of the ontology being seen more often but it does not seem to justify the creation of this property, especially as we already have a property to store exactly the same information and connect to these terms.

Also, can this proposal be placed alongside your other OBO property proposals so they can be discussed together? Succu has correctly noted that the prefix, in this instance BFO_, is part of the ID and this should not be overlooked. Although there are extant OBO ontology properties, e.g. Environment Ontology ID (P3859) and OBO Gazetteer ID (P6778), they are seldom utilised and I think it would be sensible to discuss the option of a single property (with the prefix included to identify the ontology) as an alternative to a property for each ontology. Or, if we can establish a consensus to (potentially) create properties for each ontology, I will withdraw my objections based on the number of terms. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 08:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sic19: There are entities that have identifiers in multiple OBO ontologies. That means giving our semantics around external identifiers, a property that takes all IDs wouldn't be an external ID. When a user looks at a property it's valuable when all the external identifiers are listed together and that doesn't happen with a string property.

I did switch the ID name to BFO_.

I have created a list for all OBO ontologies at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Bioinformatics/OBO_Foundary_Ontologies . Most of them don't have Wikidata properties at present. While I do believe that it would be benefitial to eventually have properties for all of them, I currently don't propose to add Wikidata properties without planned usages. The ontologies I did propose were ontologies that touch items with whom I worked. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@ChristianKl: regarding identifiers in multiple ontologies, see the RDA value vocabularies ID proposal below, which implies it is possible to have an external identifier datatype property in this scenario. It also deals with the issue of some of the vocabularies being too small to require a specific property. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 16:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Cmungall: you proposed OBO Gazetteer ID (P6778), do you have plans to fill it with more data? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Cephalopod Ontology entity IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an anatomical entity in Cephalopod Ontology, an anatomical and developmental ontology for cephalopods
Represents	Cephalopod Ontology (Q104030182)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	anatomical entity (Q27043950)
Example 1	stylet (Q7629472) → 0000245
Example 2	photosensitive vesicle (Q104030333) → 0000200
Example 3	gill (Q132390) → 0000122
Formatter URL	http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/CEPH_$1

MotivationEdit

I found that stylet (Q7629472) currently has no good authority reference and referencing Cephalopod Ontology seems desireable. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC) Notified participants of WikiProject Anatomy

DiscussionEdit

Question Hello ChristianKl Can you explain this modification to me? Do you know the usefulness of the "domain" field? Do you want item requires statement constraint (Q21503247) to replace type constraint (Q21503250)? Can you explain these modifications to me, knowing that organ (Q712378) has anatomical structure (Q4936952) for subclass ? Based on these questions, do you think there will be no violation between your changes and the property you are proposing? Can you put links to your examples, please? Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 11:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- cardinal body part (Q17781690) subclasses anatomical structure (Q4936952) clean ontology suggests that items shouldn't be both instances and subclasses at the same time. The domain here is supposed to be represented by subclassing. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Yes, in Wikidata there is cardinal body part (Q17781690) subclass of (P279) anatomical structure (Q4936952), that's correct. The "domain" field is difficult to understand and it is easy to mix everything up. I prefer that users understand how it works by themselves. Since you haven't replied to my questions, do you want us to go step by step? —Eihel (talk) 18:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC) —Eihel (talk) 14:44, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Fungal gross anatomy entity IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an anatomical entity in Fungal gross anatomy, a structured controlled vocabulary for the anatomy of fungi
Represents	Fungal gross anatomy (Q81661616)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	anatomical entity (Q27043950)
Example 1	fungal structure (Q56883667) → 0000001
Example 2	hypha (Q193129) → 0001001
Example 3	conidiophore (Q104030668) → 0000043
Formatter URL	http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/FAO_$1

MotivationEdit

We currently have no authrority control property for fungi anatomy. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:16, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Oppose whilst this is a useful controlled vocabulary, it has only 120 class terms. For me, that is not enough to require a new property and I would suggest using equivalent class (P1709) to create a relationship instead. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 10:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Plant Ontology entity IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an entity in Plant Ontology, a structured vocabulary and database resource that links plant anatomy, morphology and growth and development to plant genomics data
Represents	Plant Ontology (Q55118572)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	seta (Q126780) → 0025066
Example 2	Leptoid (Q11754738) → 0025033
Example 3	fruit (Q1364) → 0025496
Formatter URL	http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/PO_$1

MotivationEdit

We currently lack authority control information for our items about plant anatomy. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 18:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

@User:ChristianKl: The prefix "PO_" is part of the id. BTW: I evaluated this ontology some years ago (see: User:Succu/Plant Ontology). --Succu (talk) 20:14, 8 December 2020 (UTC) PS: Why not use equivalent class (P1709)? --Succu (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Having a formatter url is very useful to look up the definition and relationships. It also makes it easy to query for plant structures that don't have a Plant Ontology entity ID. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Claiming formatter URL (P1630) as „very useful to look up the definition and relationships“ is your POV. Could your please give a SPARQL to detect „plant structures“ (whatever this means) we don't have here and needs a refinement. --Succu (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Complaing in the same paragraph about "whatever this means" in regards to "plant structure" and being skeptical about it being useful to access a definition for plant structure from an authority like Plant Ontology seems circular. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:31, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Simple answer

Oppose. --Succu (talk) 22:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Hymenoptera Anatomy Ontology entity IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an anatomical entity in Hymenoptera Anatomy Ontology, a structured controlled vocabulary of the anatomy of the Hymenoptera (bees, wasps, sawflies and ants)
Represents	Hymenoptera Anatomy Ontology (Q81661648)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	arolium (Q697956) → 0000148
Example 2	Galea (Q1491790) → 0000368
Example 3	maxilla (Q350956) → 0000513
Formatter URL	http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/HAO_$1

MotivationEdit

Given our current lack of authority control for Hymenoptera it would be good to have a property for this. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 18:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

PeriodO period IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a period in the PeriodO time period gazetteer
Represents	PeriodO (Q104904881)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	spatio-temporal entity (Q58415929), historical period (Q11514315), temporal entity (Q26907166), occurrence (Q1190554)
Allowed values	[a-z0-9]{9}
Example 1	Eoarchean (Q731470) → 9qtgwckcw
Example 2	Spain under the Restoration (Q1044536) → 6c6g3gks2
Example 3	Black Death (Q42005) → pgmrbmd5t
Example 4	Sarmatian culture (Q18534333) → 6v8w4pndh
Example 5	Korean War (Q8663) → 6c6g3gspp
Example 6	Cretaceous (Q44626) → 9qtgwjxcm
Example 7	Early Cretaceous (Q752187) → 9qtgwjphz
Example 8	Middle Kingdom of Egypt (Q191324) → 6c6g3fz6m
Example 9	Cultural Revolution (Q8690) → 6c6g3bsbt
Example 10	Safavid dynasty (Q161205) → 6c6g35q9w
Example 11	Victorian era (Q182688) → kh9dsxp46
Source	https://perio.do
Planned use	Mix'n'match
Number of IDs in source	6847 as of January 19, 2021
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://n2t.net/ark:/99152/p0$1

MotivationEdit

PeriodO is a public domain gazetteer of scholarly definitions of historical, art-historical, and archaeological periods. It eases the task of linking among datasets that define periods differently. It also helps scholars and students see where period definitions overlap or diverge. It is listed in the Library of Congress Subject Heading and Term Source Codes as an approved source terms used to describe the spatiotemporal subject content of a resource. PeriodO identifiers are instances of Archival Resource Key (Q2860403), so in addition to the formatter URL above, we propose to have an ARK formatter (P8054) property value of ark:/99152/p0$1. Rybesh (talk) 23:01, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment @Rybesh: I think this is potentially useful and I have thought about creating this myself but then could not really figure out how to overcome some major issues with PeriodO. Have you seen the previous proposal and there were several issues raised by @PKM: and @Sic19: - how do envision to address these issues, it seems that there are many overlapping entries for periods which result in duplicated entries and overlapping time periods? Hopefully we can resolve these issues through a discussion. Best --Hannes Röst (talk) 15:44, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Hannes Röst: Thank you for the link to the previous proposal; I knew there had been one but couldn't find it. I will address the issues raised by @PKM: and @Sic19: below. Rybesh (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment How is this different from Archival Resource Key (P8091) (with which it shares a formatter URL)? Mahir256 (talk) 17:01, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Mahir256: An Archival Resource Key (P8091) (ARK) is a type of identifier. PeriodO period IDs are ARKs, but not every ARK is a PeriodO period ID—ARKs are used as identifiers in many different systems (see The ARK Identifier Scheme). The formatter URL for PeriodO period IDs that I put in this proposal also includes the Name Assigning Authority Number (NAAN) (99152) and "shoulder" (/p0) identifying PeriodO as the organization that creates these particular ARKs; this is how PeriodO ARKs can be distinguished from ARKs created by other organizations. (See https://ezid.cdlib.org/id/ark:/99152/p0 and http://n2t.net/ark:/99152 for registration information about this NAAN and shoulder.) Finally, the N2T (Names to Things) resolver service allows turning ARKs into resolvable URLs by prepending http://n2t.net/ to them. Rybesh (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rybesh: Thank you for the explanation. Apologies if I am overlooking something obvious here, why is a new property required when you could use Archival Resource Key (P8091) to add these identifiers to items? For example, Eoarchean (Q731470) → ark:/99152/p09qtgwckcw would resolve using P8091. Is there community consensus to create more properties that use ARKs? Using something like content deliverer (P3274) as a qualifier to indicate the source on a P8091 claim could be an alternative. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 20:03, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sic19: That is a good suggestion, and if that approach is recommended as best practice at Wikidata, I'd be happy to recommend it to our partners who want to create statements using PeriodO IDs. However, it seems that the intended use of Archival Resource Key (P8091) (judging from the examples) is not for mapping between Wikidata entities and concepts in external systems, but rather for linking Wikidata entities representing specific objects to documents about or representing those objects elsewhere. Furthermore there are a number of other properties for external identifiers that are ARKs, e.g. Thésaurus de la désignation des objets mobiliers ID (P4979), Bibliothèque nationale de France ID (P268), BAnQ work ID (P1823), and Gallica ID (P4258). In fact, there is even an ARK formatter (P8054) property for use by such properties. The situation with ARKs seems analogous to the situation with URLs: it would be possible to eschew the creation of specialized properties for external identifiers entirely, and to simply use something like reference URL (P854) to point externally (at least for those external identifiers that are resolvable as URLs). But Wikidata does not do that, instead reserving the use of reference URL (P854) for referring to specific documents hosted elsewhere, much as Archival Resource Key (P8091) seems to be intended to be used to point to specific documents in repositories that use ARK identifiers. Rybesh (talk) 23:01, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rybesh: Who are "our partners" that will be using the property to create statements? Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 14:43, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sic19: Various libraries and scholarly linked data projects that are using PeriodO period IDs and also using Wikidata. Rybesh (talk) 21:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment In the previous proposal @PKM: and @Sic19: raised issues about “duplicate” entries in PeriodO. However, while these entries may be similar, they are not duplicates from the perspective of the PeriodO project. The criteria for individuating periods in PeriodO are threefold: 1) temporal extent, 2) spatial extent, and 3) source. Hence there are many “Bronze Age” periods both because this period is understood as having different temporal extents at different places on Earth, and because even at the same spatial location, opinions about the temporal extent of a period may vary. So, this is not a matter of a lack of authority control, but rather authority control at a finer level of granularity: what PeriodO is identifying is periods as conceptualized by different people or organizations. Even if two sources agree on both the temporal extent and spatial extent of a period (as in the case of zj6g8ks9s Bronze Age and r8d9c53w3 Bronzealder), we still record them as separate records, because it is important to know when two different sources agree, as well as when they disagree. Note also that, so that we can trace the genealogy of period concepts, PeriodO records some periods as specifically derived from earlier-defined periods (as in the case of qhb66wrbs Bronze Age, which is derived from zj6g8ks9s Bronze Age).
Given these conceptual differences between how PeriodO treats periods (as individual concepts originating from particular sources) and how Wikidata tends to treat periods (as broad consensus terms), @PKM: and @Sic19: are right to raise concerns about how the proposed property would be used in practice. However, I think that these concerns can be addressed by making clear how the property should be used. First, it should not be used on broad terms like “Bronze Age” that do not specify any particular spatial extent (and hence cannot really specify a temporal extent either, only a relative temporal position). This is why, in my examples, I only selected Wikidata entities that are located both in time and in space (in the case of geologic periods like Eoarchean, the spatial extent is “Earth”). Second, for Wikidata entities that are located both in time and in space, it should be possible for this property to have multiple values. This would be useful in that it would enable Wikidata users to see that there are differing views on the extent of the entity in question, and to get the details about these views from PeriodO if desired. To summarize, I don't think the different conceptual models of Wikidata and PeriodO should be disqualifying for this proposal; in fact this is an excellent case for the use of an external identifier property, as it allows bridging between different views of knowledge. If the conceptual models were identical, there would be no reason to maintain an external identifier, since it would be more efficient to simply move PeriodO into Wikidata en masse.
Rybesh (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rybesh: In the proposal, you state the property will be used for mix'n'match and above you have defined clear guidelines for the usage of the property. Do you think these guidelines will be followed consistently by editors using mix'n'match? Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 14:43, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Support This will be a useful identifier to include in Wikidata items. I agree that multiple IDs should be acceptable in items when more granular PeriodO IDs cover a concept that is more broadly covered by a Wikidata item. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Support --Crystal Clements, University of Washington Libraries (talk) 21:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Support I definitely support this and would use it. Just for my own clarity, how exactly would multiple IDs be used in WD? So if we took Roman Republic (Q17167), there are a few options in PeriodO to define the period of the Roman Republic. Would all of these IDs be used for Roman Republic (Q17167)? Would it be also permissible to create separate WD items for more specific definitions of the Roman Republic (for example, if say, a user wanted to associate GLAM objects with a particular geo-spatial and chronological moment)? I don't have a problem with any of these but am just curious about the intended implementationValeriummaximum (talk) 23:52, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

@ Valeriummaximum: Thank you for your support. What I suggested above was that for Wikidata entities that are located both in time and in space (like Roman Republic (Q17167)) it would be linked to multiple PeriodO IDs. But of course if it were considered useful for there to be a more specific definition of the period of the Roman Republic, distinct from Roman Republic (Q17167), that corresponded to a definition already in PeriodO, then that more specific entity would only be linked to a single PeriodO ID. If someone were to do the latter then obviously they would need to create fingerprint data suitable for disambiguating the more specific definition from the more general concept of the period. Rybesh (talk) 01:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Support This would be a good identifier to have available on WD. I have experience working with PeriodO ids and we include links to them on id.loc.gov at the Library of Congress. Thisismattmiller (talk) 14:13, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Support I think this is a great idea and would use it in my work with maps. --Librarian lena (talk) 14:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Support Chiming in that this would be a very useful property--PeriodO is a recognized authority for those in my field, and it would be helpful to have my data labeled according to the standards they have established. My cultural heritage project YDEA would commit to using this property as soon as approved! Ahc84 (talk) 14:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

jeuxvideo.com IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a vieo game on the jeuxvideo.com website
Represents	Jeuxvideo.com (Q281055)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Cyberpunk 2077 (Q3182559) → 79026
Example 2	Animal Crossing: New Horizons (Q64566657) → 79026
Example 3	Pong (Q216293) → 57130
Source	https://www.jeuxvideo.com/tous-les-jeux/
Number of IDs in source	42048
Formatter URL	https://www.jeuxvideo.com/jeux/jeu-$1/
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Video games (Q8485882)
Proposed by	Pamputt (talk) 20:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

MotivationEdit

Jeuxvideo.com (Q281055) is the most visited French-speaking site on video game news. Pamputt (talk) 20:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

Comment I researched quite a bit that database in the past − see my notes at User:Jean-Frédéric/Videogame external databases/Jeuxvideo.com. In the current state I’m not sure there is a reliable way to link to this database :/ Jean-Fred (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

European port letterEdit

Under discussion

Description	letter(s) used to identify the home port of a boat
Represents	Port letter (Q12311103)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Portsmouth (Q72259) → P
Example 2	Padstow (Q943931) → PW
Example 3	Fukushima Prefecture (Q71707) → FS
Example 4	Tangelle Fisheries District, Sri Lanka (no item as yet) → TLE
Number of IDs in source	>500 in Europe alone ([2])
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
See also	licence plate code (P395): distinguishing signs or parts of license plate associated with the subject. For countries: international licence plate country code or distinguishing sign of vehicles
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes

MotivationEdit

Boats are allocated a port letter and number (Port letter (Q12311103)); the letter component (which my actually be more than one letter; see examples) identifies the port. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:31, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Question Is external identifier the correct datatype for this property? As the Port Letters are not unique, it will not be possible to unambigiously identify a port using this property and therefore string datatype might be more appropriate. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 21:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Sic19: Are they not unique? Do you have an example? If there are duplicates, then it might better to split them into, "European PL", "Japanese PL", or whatever. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
  - @Pigsonthewing: AB could be either Aberystwyth or Bensersiel, for example. It looks like the combination of letters and country (or probably flag when applied to fishing vessels) might be unique - however, that is based on a quick look rather than proper analysis. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 15:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
    - In that casei, I think this property should be for "European Port Letter", and we can have others for different regions or schemes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
      - @Pigsonthewing: Not sure it's necessary to split by region. Based on another Port Registration Letters website, the unique country and letters combination rule seems to apply worldwide. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 21:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Support as string datatype. ~~Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 21:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)~~ Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 21:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Sic19, Pigsonthewing: can we have a label and a description? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 23:40, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry I missed that; seems Simon has kindly beaten em to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
  - Why is this capitalized? Is it really a proper name? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

No, my mistake, I've changed it to lowercase. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 07:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

There seems to be an unresolved problem with the datatype, even when limited to European. For similar, see licence plate code (P395) that uses string datatype. --- Jura 19:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Support However @Pigsonthewing:, there's some more complex structure for some ports, eg see below. How can we account for that? --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 16:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

AA – nnn -  ØM     Ostre Moland

Please weigh in on Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Ships#Home/Registry_Port_vs_City/Country

Support, an important property for the economy.--Arbnos (talk) 22:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

BookDepository publisher IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a publisher on bookdepository.com an international book retailer
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Bloomsbury Publishing (Q568642) → Bloomsbury-Publishing-PLC
Example 2	Meta Publications (Q104631153) → Meta-Publications-U-S
Example 3	MISSING
Formatter URL	https://www.bookdepository.com/publishers/$1
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes

MotivationEdit

bookdepository has pages for many smaller publishers that are otherwise harder to identify with external ids. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 17:09, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

ANSI/NISO standard IDEdit

Done: ANSI/NISO standard ID (P9270) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for the number of the ANSI/NISO standard which normalizes the object
Represents	ANSI/NISO standard (Q104634626)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	technical standard (Q317623)
Allowed values	Z39[ascii:\x2E][1-9]\d*[-–][0-2][0-9][0-9][0-9]
Example 1	Criteria for Indexes (Q104635113): ANSI/NISO standard for indexing and information retrieval → Z39.4-20XX
Example 2	Z39.50 (Q135847): application layer communications protocol for searching and retrieving information from a database over a TCP/IP computer network → Z39.50-2003
Example 3	Serial Item and Contribution Identifier (Q3479782): no description → Z39.56
Example 4	Chinese Character Code for Information Interchange (Q1073697): character encoding standard → Z39.64
Example 5	digital object identifier (Q25670): character string used as a permanent identifier for a digital object, in a format controlled by the International DOI Foundation → Z39.84
Example 6	Dublin Core (Q624610): standardized set of metadata elements → Z39.85-2012
Example 7	Z39.87 (Q1961037): Data Dictionary - Technical Metadata for Digital Still Images → Z39.87-2006
Example 8	OpenURL (Q311386): standardized format for linking to information resources → Z39.88-2004
Example 9	Journal Article Tag Suite (Q17060731): XML format used to describe scientific literature published online → Z39.96-2019
Planned use	enriching items around standards
Number of IDs in source	a bit over 100 when excluding temporal and version modifiers like Z39.96-2019 or Z39.88-2004 [R2010], otherwise several hundreds - NISO NOTE: there are a bit over 100 current or withdrawn NISO standards. the version modifiers indicate previous versions. The accurate version name should include the current version year, if this is excluded, the latest version is referenced.
Expected completeness	generally complete
See also	ISO standard (P503)

MotivationEdit

National Information Standards Organization (Q1508447) are maintaining a number of information standards that are relevant in the United States as well as internationally. Wikidata has very patchy coverage in this area, so I thought proposing a dedicated property is a good way to get things started into a more systematic direction. However, I am not clear yet how best to handle

the modifiers like Z39.96-2019 or Z39.88-2004 [R2010], which refer to documents about the standards that essentially define a particular version (or even draft) of the standard

 => NISO Response: NISO standards follow the following designation strucutre: 
    <Z39.> indicates a US National standard published by NISO (Committee Z39) - 
    <XXX> the number of the standard, which is assigned sequentially as new standards are developed.  Not all standards are published and some standards are withdrawn.  Numbers are not reused.
    <(-YYYY)> indicates the year of approval and are therefore critical to understanding of which version is being referenced. If the qualifier is missing, the last version is understood to be the referent.

A number of NISO standards have been withdrawn and therefore a no longer available.

consequently, the range of allowed values or the necessity for qualifiers

 => NISO Response: The year qualifier is critical.  The [R20XX] is the year of reaffirmation, which is not required.

the lack of landing pages for these standards on the NISO website, which seems document-centric rather than built around the standards, which means that formatted URLs like https://www.niso.org/explore/search?keys=Z39.96-2019 would mostly work in practice but not in a consistent fashion across the website

 => NISO Response: We have identified this problem and will work to correct it. Please do not link to the NISO Search Engine: The structure of the URLS should be " https://www.niso.org/publications/Z39_<STANDARD_NUMBER>_<APPROVAL_YEAR> " although we acknowledge that it will take some time to clean up this structure (as of 2/2/21).  All NISO Standards are also assigned DOIs, which are also available for linking.  We will be producing a canonical landing page with linked data information later this spring for each standard (as well as those that have been withdrawn).

whether/ how this could be bundled somehow with other standards within the realm of American National Standards Institute (Q180003), e.g. ANSI X3.159-1989 for ANSI C (Q1931402) or ANSI/ASME Y14.1 for ANSI/ASME Y14.1 (Q4653029)

-- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 22:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC) -- Edited by Todd Carpenter, NISO 23:27, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Question. Not sure quite how to phrase this, but does ANSI/NISO embellish or innovate conceptually at all, such that there might not be a one-to-one correspondence between the ANSI/NISO identifier and the item to which it corresponds? For example, the result you linked for digital object identifier (Q25670) suggests that ANSI/NISO simply creates a unique identifier that corresponds directly to the DOI standard. But ISO standards (as far as I know) are sui generis, so that the ISO standard for "Unique digital document identification" would include DOIs but doesn't correspond one-to-one with it. Where do ANSI/NISO identifiers fit in here? AleatoryPonderings (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Support These are important standards, and deserve their own identifier. On AleatoryPonderings question, I believe Z39.84 is a formalization of the DOI standard as implemented by the organizations involved, so the identifier points to a document that specifies what a DOI is. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

  => Some NISO standards are advanced as ISO standards.  These standards may change as part of the ISO standardization process and, if approved by ISO, receive their own ISO designation.  For example ANSI/NISO Z39.84 (now withdrawn by NISO) is currently published as ISO 26324:2012 Information and documentation — Digital object identifier system.

Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 13:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment I am expecting feedback from NISO, so suggest to hold off with the creation of this property until they comment or February 15, whichever comes first. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 01:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment From NISO: Note also that NISO publishes Recommended Practices, which are not formal ANSI/NISO standards that carry the Z39.XXX designations. These lower-level consensus documents go through a less rigorous review process and are not accredited US-national standards. These are published using the designation structure: "NISO RP-##-{YYYY} {TITLE}" Where ## is the sequential number of the Recommended Practice and YYYY is the publication year. As of January 2021, NISO has published 39 Recommended Practice documents. TAC-NISO 01:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Question Hello Daniel Mietchen There is a mixture of pattern. Could you tell us where you get your RegEx from? Or tell us, in writing and in clear, what you want to put, please? —Eihel (talk) 12:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Question is this for the item about the standard or for anything related to the standard? Domain above is currently technical standard (Q317623) which could suggest the former, but the samples aren't all instances (or subclasses) of ANSI/NISO standard (Q104634626) --- Jura 12:07, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
@Daniel Mietchen, ArthurPSmith, YULdigitalpreservation: Done --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 03:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Finna IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	media resource ID in Finna.fi
Represents	Finna (Q18760310)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Commons media, item
Allowed values	^[A-Za-z0-9][\w\.:]+[A-Za-z0-9]$
Example 1	Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning (Q2005954) → kavi.elonet_elokuva_1301461
Example 2	Punaisten ja valkoisten taistelu Suomessa 1918 (Q24192112) → doria.10024_123564
Example 3	file:Ruotsin kuningatar Kaarina Maununtytär.tif → museovirasto.C7E5E7019C67863BC65FD11B2485906C
Example 4	file:Helsingin_olympialaiset_1952_-_XLVIII-278_-_hkm.HKMS000005-km0000mrdq.jpg → hkm.HKMS000005:km0000mrdq
Source	https://www.finna.fi/
Planned use	Add to Commons images or works from Finna.fi
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.finna.fi/Record/$1
See also	Elonet movie ID (P2346)

MotivationEdit

Include the identifiers to all Finnish Commons images from Finna. Identifiers can be used for matching items between different registers (in example older Elonet id and Finna id).--Zache (talk) 15:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Pandektis IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for an entity in the collections of the Greek website Pandektis
Represents	Pandektis (Q105114652)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Theodoros Afendoulis (Q12877921) → 131352
Example 2	Portrait of Georgios Glarakis (Q80371215) → 65094
Example 3	Michael Damaskinos (Q718276) → 163803
Source	http://pandektis.ekt.gr/pandektis/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Mix'n'match (at least for some parts)
Number of IDs in source	tens of thousands
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://pandektis.ekt.gr/pandektis/handle/10442/$1
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Greece

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Greece High-quality database about Greek history and civilizations; the collections "Greek Painters after the Fall of Constantinople" and "People employed in Further, Secondary and Primary Education (19th c.)" can hopefully be particularly useful. Epìdosis 11:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

I would initially support (yes, pandektis is a very useful database), but let's dig a little more on this: these are not really identifiers but essentially a vague url structure which mixes artists, works of art, and even more such as settlement name changes [3] No mention of any identifier in the page itself. Probably described at URL (P973) would be sufficient for any purpose. --Geraki (talk) 09:46, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
@Geraki: I agree about the choice of having the same URL structure for all types of entities (persons, works of art, places etc.) being disappointing; however, considering that the URLs are stable (I've found no hint of the contrary), having a dedicated ID is still better as it allows checks on the status of our matches through constraint violations and queries. --Epìdosis 11:13, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Support I have checked. to me the urls seem stable. Also, converting a removed ID into a "described at url" if the url architecture is changed in an homogeneous way is not complicated. The web page are full of useful information for referencing statement.--Alexmar983 (talk) 13:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)e

NHS Organisation Data Service IDEdit

Under discussion

Represents	Organisation Data Service (Q105117218)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	organization (Q43229)
Allowed values	[A-Z0-9]+
Example 1	Royal London Hospital (Q7374421) → R1H12
Example 2	Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham (Q12064751) → RRK15
Example 3	NHS Portsmouth Clinical Commissioning Group (Q21685369) → 10R
Example 4	London Borough of Islington (Q205817) → 706
Source	https://digital.nhs.uk/services/organisation-data-service
Planned use	Initial assignment of some identifiers - I may also have a look at an import.
Number of IDs in source	~Tens of thousands
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://directory.spineservices.nhs.uk/ORD/2-0-0/organisations/$1

MotivationEdit

The NHS Organisation Data Service maintains a canonical list of identifiers for component organisations of the UK's National Health Service (of which there are many). These identifiers can be used to fetch data from the NHS's public APIs. Russss (talk) 12:56, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

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PO IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a person on the Orange France website (people.orange)
Represents	PO (Q96623629)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	external_links
Domain	human (Q5), celebrity (Q211236)
Allowed values	`CNT[a-zA-Z0-9]{11}`
Example 1	ABBA (Q18233) → CNT000000fa7KE
Example 2	Jay Leno (Q218718) → CNT00000050E93
Example 3	Kévin Azaïs (Q18179055) → CNT00000054v4L
Example 4	Simona Halep (Q230156) → CNT0000014jw3A
Source	https://tendances.orange.fr/people
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Mix'n'match	to be imported
Planned use	as authority control and identifier: Wikidata property for authority control for people (Q19595382)
Number of IDs in source	unknown
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://people.orange.fr/star/wd-$1/
Country	France (Q142)
See also	Evene ID (P5617)
Applicable "stated in"-value	PO (Q96623629)
Type constraint - instance of	human (Q5)
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes

MotivationEdit

Property for people included in the Orange's website, a database in French. - Coagulans (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject France - Coagulans (talk) 19:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Question Why did you insert "wd-" in the URL? I don't think we want tracking elements there. --- Jura 06:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@Thierry Caro: as inserter - Coagulans (talk) 20:20, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- I believe wd is there precisely so that humans know that this is the tracking part. That people complain that they could be tracked using the URL with wd staying as such is actually a good thing. It is a sign that they have been made aware of the issue in the first place, something that a random string would not have highlighted. See an URL with wd stored on Wikidata? Change that part every time you click if you worry about privacy. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

HathiTrust Volume IdentifierEdit

Under discussion

Description	Volume Identifier for HathiTrust Alphanumeric ID from the HathiTrust Digital library, which is a large-scale collaborative repository of digital content from research libraries including content digitized via the Google Books project and Internet Archive digitization initiatives, as well as content digitized locally by libraries. For more information see w:HathiTrust. Each item in the registry has an permanent Volume ID and a stable URL (see below), so it would be easy to link the item on Wikidata to the resource on HathiTrust. HathiTrust ID (P1844) covers the HathiTrust record number, which represent a work's bibliographic data, and is not an immutable ID. Because this represents a specific scan entity, as opposed to a bibliographic record, it more like the Hathi Trust counterpart to Internet Archive ID (P724)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	version, edition, or translation (Q3331189), e.g. of book book (Q571)
Allowed values	[a-z0-9]+\.[a-z0-9_\-:/]+
Example 1	Essays on practical agriculture (Q51469955) → loc.ark:/13960/t3902rm3s
Example 2	The birds of Long Island (Q51420434) → hvd.hn4t8l
Example 3	How to Play Chess (Q19049739) → uc2.ark:/13960/t3pv6f03j
Source	https://www.hathitrust.org/hathifiles_description
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Linking editions to scans online
Number of IDs in source	17,455,698 digitised volumes
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://hdl.handle.net/2027/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Probably all uses of Commons:Template:HathiTrust can be imported, and any volume with an OCLC number may be able to be linked.
See also	HathiTrust ID (P1844)
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Books (Q8487081) and WikiProject Academic Journals (Q59961429)

MotivationEdit

Linking to scan authority control data from Wikisource author, portal and index pages. Inductiveload (talk) 16:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Books Inductiveload (talk) 16:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Comment this sounds useful, is there already a mapping available from Internet Archive ID (P724) to HathiTrust ID? Can you explain the difference to HathiTrust ID (P1844) - is this proposal here for a *specific* scan and HathiTrust ID (P1844) is for the work? So each HathiTrust ID (P1844) could have 0, one or more scan events each with its own "HathiTrust Volume Identifier"? An example would be 001730317 (War and Peace) where there is one book, but there are two different scan events (v2 and v3). Why do you say that HathiTrust ID (P1844) is not stable, that sounds concerning and a long-term issue? Assuming that the https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001730317 is stable (which you say it is not), I would argue that we would not need to record the individual scans as we could just link to the record of the book and Wikidata would not have to keep track of all individual scan events. Best --Hannes Röst (talk) 18:36, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
@Hannes Röst: I don't think there is a mapping from IA -> HT. Many IA works are scanned by IA themselves, and most Google scans come via Google books (with extra processing that sometimes trashes images, which usually means the HT scans are better quality). It's possible that sometimes an IA and HT record can be linked up via the OCLC number (and/or LCCN?).

Hathi's documentation says about HathiTrust ID (P1844): "HathiTrust's record number for the associated bibliographic record: HathiTrust record numbers are not permanent and can change over time." I don't know how often that actually happens, though. I guess this is so they can split and merge bibliographic records as needed.

Probably the biggest use of this as a separate property to HathiTrust ID (P1844) is for things like your example (a multi-volume work) and periodicals like The Electrical Engineer (Q105221968), which has https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000554163, which contains links for each volume (collection of issues, in this case on a 6-monthly basis). So, not all Hathi Volume IDs under one Record ID point to scans of the same thing. In this case, there are also scan events that do refer to the same thing, scanned multiple times (e.g. 1, 2 and 3). Files uploaded at Commons from Hathi will use the volume ID (often with Commons:Template:HathiTrust, often not), not the record ID, since the document is obviously tied to the specific scan event.

See also Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Periodicals#Properties_for_periodicals_tiers:_work/series/volume/issue/article, where I am trying to figure out how to represent a multi-tier work hierarchy with a view to using it to drive Wikisource pages. Our scans at WS are obviously generally (sometimes they're composited) tied to a single HT or IA (or whatever) scan.

Inductiveload (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment Why not just use Handle ID (P1184) for these? Mahir256 (talk) 02:17, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mahir256: probably because I hadn't seen that property :-/. Is there a canonical way to express that a Handle ID represents a scan of the item in question? Inductiveload (talk) 09:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

National Gallery of Art Library Bibliographic IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier assigned to a bibliographic record for the library collection at the National Gallery of Art Library
Data type	External identifier
Domain	book (Q571), exhibition catalogue (Q780605), vertical file (Q60730271), etc.
Allowed values	8 to 19-digit string
Example 1	Van Gogh and Gauguin : the studio of the south (Q105322100) → 991819763504896
Example 2	Artists of colonial America (Q22060637) → 993720873504896
Example 3	John Woodrow Wilson (Q28600787) → 994110475804896
Source	https://library.nga.gov/
Number of IDs in source	423,474 as of 2/4/2021
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://library.nga.gov/permalink/01NGA_INST/1cl1g8d/alma$1

MotivationEdit

The National Gallery of Art (NGA) Library Bibliographic Records contain descriptive and subjective information about books and other library collections. The NGA Library Bibliographic IDs, which are system-generated IDs assigned by our LSP (Alma), can provide access to the records in the library's online catalog (Mercury). In particular, users can access bibliographic information about artists' vertical files that are used as references in the NGA Library's PCC Wikidata Pilot project.

Sbae2020 (talk) 13:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Maybe the timestamp should be 14:58, 8 February 2021‎ [4].--- Jura 09:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
I actually submitted the proposal on February 5 and updated it on Feb, 8. Sbae2020

DiscussionEdit

Comment the formatter URL seems to be inconsistent with the samples (currently just a different url). --- Jura 09:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment! I updated the formatter URL to avoid the confusion. Both of the formatter URLs are supposed to lead to the same record. Sbae2020
Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Support, an important property for arts.--Arbnos (talk) 00:04, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Baidu Baike IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	Entry in Baidu Baike encyclopedia
Represents	Baidu Baike (Q803722)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	all
Allowed values	string
Example	International Committee of the Red Cross (Q5987345) → 红十字国际委员会 Mao Zedong (Q5816) → 毛泽东/113835 Great Wall of China (Q12501) → 长城/14251 Barack Obama (Q76) → 贝拉克·侯赛因·奥巴马/190467 homosexuality (Q6636) → 同性恋
Source	https://baike.baidu.com
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	22,991,669
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://baike.baidu.com/item/$1
See also	Wikidata:Property proposal/Baidu Baike ID (2018) Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/34#Baidu_Baike_entry (2015) Namuwiki ID (P8885) (November 2020; Korean wiki)

MotivationEdit

Baidu Baike is the de facto version of Wikipedia in Chinese—it has 16x as many entries as Chinese Wikipedia. It's also heavily censored and has myriad neutrality/copyright/etc. issues, factors which have led previous proposals to add a property for it to fail. However, I do not think adding a property ID for an entity does or should carry any sort of implied endorsement, and like it or not, Baidu Baike is probably the best source of encyclopedic information for non-controversial Chinese topics that might be too obscure to have much or any coverage on Wikipedia. Documenting Baidu Baike IDs could presumably have applications for censorship researchers or for identifying areas of expansion for Wikipedia related to Chinese topics. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Pinging village pump discussion participants: @BrokenSegue, Lectrician1, GZWDer, ChristianKl:. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:14, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Neutral. Repeat what I said in Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2020/02#Is_Wikidata's_purpose_to_provide_links_to_every_(open)_wiki?:
1. Content is not free - more than 90% of Wikidata property links to non-free content
2. Advertisement and paid editing - most open wikis does not care it. Wikimedia seems a very special case that treats paid editing seriously
3. Copyvio - Also, Wikimedia treats copyvio much stricter than other open wikis
4. Misleading material - Also, Wikimedia treats copyvio much stricter

--GZWDer (talk) 19:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Wasn't there also problem with content from (zh) Wikipedia itself? If yes, maybe WMF doesn't want us to include them. --- Jura 20:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Support there is value in these links even if the site is "bad". I wouldn't support linking to something like conservapedia but if this is the primary chinese language encyclopedia then we really should link to this. We do not restrict ourselves to linking only to "free" sources elsewhere (e.g. IMDB) so I don't buy that argument (also applies to paid editing). BrokenSegue (talk) 20:36, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
~~Support~~ Oppose Same great reasoning as User:BrokenSegue, but I recognize the copyright issues User:Sanmosa brings up. I don't think we should ever platform a service that goes against something we defend. If Baidu Baike ever expanded to the west and added translations for their articles, this would be completely unacceptable with their copyright violations. --Lectrician1 (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
@Lectrician1: This really goes to the heart of a central question about Wikidata's identity: Are we trying to be a comprehensive, neutral knowledge base of the world's information, or are we just an arm of the WMF that supports Wikipedia and restricts information that doesn't align with Wikipedia's values? I think we would err badly to adopt the oppose view, since our credibility comes precisely from the fact that we are neutral, and requiring entities to share our values before documenting them would create the impression that we are endorsing every entity we document and open up a can of worms about what qualifies. We don't want to go down that path. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
But we are going down that path. I don't know many other Wikimedia projects that face the "platforming" issue we have right here. Projects expect sources that are reliable, but being reliable means that the source isn't political. Here we have to be political. I believe that the platforming of false knowledge is wrong. Baidu Baike might not be false knowledge like Conservapedia, but if you're not willing to respect other members of society's rights to intellectual property through copyright, then you're technically suppressing the future potential of shared knowledge (because nobody will want to share anymore). That's a direct conflict with our movement.
I also think that there exists no "neutral". Everything and everyone must be political with bias in order to remain logically consistent. Here, we need to remain consistent with our values and consider the direct factors of "platforming" this entity. It might seem that we're increasing shared knowledge, when in reality we are not. I also think my "if Baidu came to the West" example situation is very valid too.
--Lectrician1 (talk) 12:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
@ShadessKB, Gotitbro, Eroux108: @Shizhao, YFdyh000, Zhuyifei1999, Stang, Junjie Yuan: @白布飘扬, 虹易, Sanmosa, Blissghost: @Shangkuanlc, Artoria2e5, WQL, 1233, Brror: it would be good to have some input from the previous participants as the open question remained unanswered. --- Jura 19:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Weak support If Wikidata is a neutral data source rather than a free web resource advocate, it is reasonable to provide links of considerable quality.--YFdyh000 (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment Frequent poor disambiguation and duplicate articles. Might cause data quality issues. --Artoria2e5 (talk) 23:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Data quality issues are common problems for most user-generated sites, not only this one.--GZWDer (talk) 16:31, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose. Adding Baidu Baike links? Never, never, never. Having the same opinions as GZWDer and Artoria2e5, besides, Baidu Baike is nothing but mostly a copycat of Chinese Wikipedia with serious copyright violations. Sæn mō sà 23:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
I see that you are active on Chinese Wikipedia. There are certainly issues with Baidu Baike copying, but I fail to see how it could be "mostly a copycat" if it has 16x as many entries as the thing it's allegedly copied from. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Baidu baike contains many articles copied from other website than Wikipedia and other encyclopedias. Yeah it seems a common problem for user-generated sites.--GZWDer (talk) 16:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose. Baidu Baike have a terrible copyvio problem same as last time. I don't think it's a good idea to add a Baidu Baike Property.--LaMagiaaa (talk) 04:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
@LaMagiaaa: Could you clarify what relevance you think them having a copyvio problem has to where or not there should be a property documenting them? As Shangkuanlc pointed out last time, mapping the issue will likely make them easier to resolve. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:15, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Chinese Wikipedia has compiled an incomplete list. Some content may come entirely from Wikipedia without the correct representation of the copyright agreement. And I don't think a website that infringes copyright should be added. Of course, they may have some original articles, but the average editor cannot distinguish them. So I don't think it is necessary to describe specific articles. The average editor may not be able to distinguish if Baidu Baike added to the property.--LaMagiaaa (talk) 05:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

"terrible copyvio problem" - it is not only the case of Baidu Baike. It really seems most user-generated sites in the Internet have very low control of copyright violation.--GZWDer (talk) 16:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose: Baidu Baike not only has copyright problems, but is also a place for poor and low-quality articles. Many articles contain false information so it fails "probably the best source of encyclopedic information" in the "#Motivation" above. Plus, if the copyright problem is not serious, there wouldn't be a page emphasizing that. Sun8908 💬 07:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Wikidata does not require any reliability of linked pages. Fandom (Q17459) is also abundant of poor and low-quality articles.--GZWDer (talk) 16:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Neutral: I don't think copyright problems can be a barrier stopping Baidu Baike getting its property on Wikidata. But as Artoria2e5 said above, poor disambiguation and duplicate articles of Baidu Baike may create chaos on Wikidata. --Steven Sun (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose, per Sun8908--Shizhao (talk) 02:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Please note that contents of Wikipedia is duplicated in countless place, even only counting ones without attribuation.--GZWDer (talk) 16:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Support:Previously I did not recommend due to the quality of resources. But I change my mind after look at those facebook ID, youtube ID, twitter ID, which may also full of "good" or "bad" element like advertisement or unreliable information. Anyhow, Wikidata is just a place to collect those ID and provide links, no matter what content in those websites, so I feel OK to let Baidu Baike ID be here. It doesn't means the content of Baidu Baike will be flooding Chinese Wikipedia without restriction. --白布飘扬 (talk) 18:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Armenian Book IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a written work in the Armenian Book database, which is part of the National Library of Armenia
Represents	Armenian Book (Q105429169)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	written work (Q47461344)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Memorial to April 11 (Q16394267) → 32496
Example 2	Vorogayt Parats (Q20507455) → 114794
Example 3	The Russian Threat (Q38077058) → 99909
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Adding manually
Number of IDs in source	Thousands for what I can see
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://haygirk.nla.am/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=$1
Country	Armenia (Q399)
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Armenia, written works

MotivationEdit

The National Library of Armenia uses 3 websites as far as I can see: one for authors (which has become a property, see the debate page here), one for periodicals (see the debate page here) and one for written works, books, etc. which I'm proposing here, for the same reasons - RSVartanian (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Armenia Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control

TeatralRo play/theater IDEdit

Done: teatral.ro play/theater ID (P9202) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier on the www.teatral.ro website
Represents	Teatral.ro (Q105002945)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	external_links; id_teatralro
Domain	drama play (Q2430899), performing arts production (Q43099500), spectacle (Q224530), theatre company (Q11812394)
Allowed values	`(piesa\|teatru)\/[a-z\d]+(-[a-z\d]+)*`
Example 1	TaRaTaTam (Q90890307) → piesa/dale-noastre-teatrul-national
Example 2	Uppercase Print (Q88384988) → piesa/tipografic-majuscul-teatrul-odeon
Example 3	Odeon Theatre (Q559214) → teatru/teatrul-odeon
Example 4	Ion Luca Caragiale National Theatre Bucharest (Q1138828) → teatru/teatrul-national
Source	https://www.teatral.ro
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Mix'n'match	unimported
Planned use	as authority control and identifier: Wikidata property to identify organizations (Q21745557)
Number of IDs in source	hundreds plays + 36 theatre companies
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.teatral.ro/$1
Country	Romania (Q218)
See also	Alternativa Teatral work ID (P5808)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Teatral.ro (Q105002945)
Type constraint - instance of	organization (Q43229)
Type constraint - subclass of	audiovisual work (Q2431196)
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Theatre (Q14942918), WikiProject Romania (Q11509515) - `{{Romania properties}}`

MotivationEdit

Property for theatre companies, theatrical productions, stage actors, authors & other cast members included in teatral.ro, a theater database in Romanian. Coagulans (talk) 10:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Split: Property for theatre companies, theatrical productions included in teatral.ro, a theater database in Romanian.- Coagulans (talk) 20:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Question Is (teatru|piesa|artist)\/\S{1,128} (allowed values) right for you as RegEx? —Eihel (talk) 08:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Answer RegEx is somehow out of my skills, but it looks fine, thank you. - Coagulans (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment the Founder - Coagulans (talk) 14:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Support —Eihel (talk) 17:16, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Coagulans: Done teatral.ro play/theater ID (P9202) —Eihel (talk) 05:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Theatre

TeatralRo artist IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier on the www.teatral.ro website
Represents	Teatral.ro (Q105002945)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	external_links; id_teatralro
Domain	human (Q5), actor (Q33999), author (Q482980), theatre designer (Q26869657), cast member (Q3297652)
Allowed values	`[a-z\d]+(-[a-z\d]+)*`
Example 1	Albert Camus (Q34670) → albert-camus
Example 2	Dorina Lazăr (Q12726962) → dorina-lazar
Example 3	Eugène Ionesco (Q46706) → eugene-ionesco
Example 4	1-Q Sapro (Q105474889) → 1-q-sapro
Source	https://www.teatral.ro
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Mix'n'match	to be imported
Planned use	as authority control and identifier: Wikidata property for authority control for people (Q19595382), Wikidata property for authority control for artists (Q55653847)
Number of IDs in source	thousands
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.teatral.ro/artist/$1
Country	Romania (Q218)
See also	Alternativa Teatral person ID (P5807)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Teatral.ro (Q105002945)
Type constraint - instance of	human (Q5)
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Theatre (Q14942918), WikiProject Romania (Q11509515) - `{{Romania properties}}`

MotivationEdit

Property for stage actors, authors & other cast members included in teatral.ro, a theater database in Romanian. - Coagulans (talk) 20:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Initial oppose I had put in summary that the two identifiers should be similar: with artist (and the URL without). —Eihel (talk) 21:37, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Why similar identifiers? There are about two different properties. - Coagulans (talk) 06:59, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

The ids come from the same place, so why not the same ids. Putting a more precise RegEx also prevents putting bad ids (as vandals like to do for example). 1 property, then 2, but not 3 ?! But this is not a blocking criterion for a creation. —Eihel (talk) 03:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Not 3 PP, because only the theatre companies in the capital of the country are listed (36). - Coagulans (talk) 06:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

AaRC title IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier of a movie on AaRC.ro (All about Romanian Cinema)
Represents	AaRC (Q73138480)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	external_links; id_aarc
Domain	film (Q11424)
Allowed values	`[a-z]+(-[a-z]+)+-(19\|20)\d{2}`
Example 1	Silent Wedding (Q1570955) → nunta-muta-2008
Example 2	Bed of Procust (Q44181220) → patul-lui-procust-2001
Example 3	Microphone Test (Q18547094) → proba-de-microfon-1979
Source	http://aarc.ro
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Mix'n'match	to be imported
Planned use	as authority control and identifier: Wikidata property to identify films (Q29542094), Wikidata property for identification in the film industry (Q22964274)
Number of IDs in source	minimum 2799
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://aarc.ro/filme/film/$1
Country	Romania (Q218)
See also	AaRC person ID (P7533)
Applicable "stated in"-value	AaRC (Q73138480)
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Film (Q8485793), WikiProject Romania (Q11509515) - `{{Romania properties}}`

MotivationEdit

Property for movies included in aarc.ro, a Romanian movies database in Romanian and English. - Coagulans (talk) 14:17, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Movies —Eihel (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support —Eihel (talk) 14:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Support Rockpeterson (talk) 14:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

TaDiRAH IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	A property to link Wikidata items to the concepts of the Taxonomy of Digital Research Activities in the Humanities (TaDiRAH)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[^\s\/]+
Example 1	named-entity recognition (Q403574) → namedEntityRecognition
Example 2	tagging (Q43401994) → tagging
Example 3	georeferencing (Q772007) → georeferencing
Example 4	writing (Q37260) → writing
Source	https://vocabs.dariah.eu/tadirah/ (stable IDs); https://github.com/dhtaxonomy/TaDiRAH (source and documentation) and http://tadirah.dariah.eu/vocab/index.php (ID numbers of older version to be deprecated)
Planned use	Provide a mapping from TaDiRAH to Wikidata items, while also profiting from other already present mappings to other controlled vocabularies.
Number of IDs in source	168
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://vocabs.dariah.eu/tadirah/$1
See also	Art & Architecture Thesaurus ID (P1014); any property with IDs for topics, such as JSTOR topic ID (P3827)

The above proposal by User:Mtrognitz was moved from Wikidata:Property proposal/TaDiRAH ID. (Personally, I have currently no opinion on the proposal itself) --- Jura 11:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

MotivationEdit

See Wikidata:Property proposal/TaDiRAH ID.

DiscussionEdit

Support --Mepherl (talk) 06:50, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

AIATSIS Subject Thesaurus IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a term in the AIATSIS Subject Thesaurus
Represents	AIATSIS Subject Thesaurus (Q105536068)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	dance (Q11639) → 1367
Example 2	agricultural structure (Q10480682) → 1982
Example 3	colonization (Q815962) → 1095
Example 4	rabbiting (Q2961375) → 3951
Example 5	London Missionary Society (Q1869031) → 948
Example 6	librarian (Q182436) → 7147
Example 7	gender relations (Q65088268) → 1533
Example 8	income (Q1527264) → 24
Source	http://www1.aiatsis.gov.au/index.asp
Planned use	adding property to subject items as encountered
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://www1.aiatsis.gov.au/subject/mtw.exe?k=default&l=60&linkType=term&w=$1&n=1&s=5&t=2

MotivationEdit

The AIATSIS Subject Thesaurus contains controlled vocabulary terms for use in cataloging Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islands studies collections, but many of the terms are also general and applicable to any library collections. This thesaurus would be a useful addition to include in items. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 03:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support More thesaurus links is good, thanks for proposing! ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Support Pteropotamus (talk) 18:25, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Support Mlemusrojas (talk) 21:14, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Support --Crystal Clements, University of Washington Libraries (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Support --Jala360 13:52, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Emwille (talk) 16:16, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

PDDikti IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	ID in the Indonesian Higher Education Database of the Indonesian Ministry of Education and Culture
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), higher education institution (Q38723)
Allowed values	([a-zA-Z0-9]{11}t[a-zA-Z0-9]{6}00[a-zA-Z0-9]{11}t[a-zA-Z0-9]{16}
Example 1	University of Indonesia (Q534515) → MEQxRTYzRTktQ0JGQi00NTQ2LUEyNDItODc1QzMxMDA4M0E1
Example 2	Ari Kuncoro (Q85988892) → OTkyRDUxODYtRjkwRi00MzNDLUEzOTgtMzUwNDY3N0Q3Mjg5
Example 3	Dwikorita Karnawati (Q18941080) → NTk2QzU0MDEtQUU0Qy00ODgyLUIwMTAtMDdEMTA2NDQ1NEQz
Example 4	Syiah Kuala University (Q3958218) → MEU2MEIxODQtMTI5My00NTI1LThDQzAtNDAwODIwMTJFODMw
Example 5	Universitas Kristen Indonesia (Q7894412) → ODcyOTI4MDUtQ0U4RC00NzdELTg5NTAtRTJFNjZGODkzRTlD
Source	https://pddikti.kemdikbud.go.id/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	more than 290,000
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://pddikti.kemdikbud.go.id/data_pt/$1, https://pddikti.kemdikbud.go.id/data_dosen/$1
See also	NPSN Indonesian school ID (P4128), Dapodikdasmen ID (P5884), Sekolah Kita ID (P5955)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Indonesian Higher Education Database (Q105554374)
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Indonesia (Q8407948)

MotivationEdit

Official database of higher education institutions in Indonesia, contain information on name, location, establishment, number of majors, etc. for higher education institutions. Also contains data on lecturers' name, education, subject taught, etc. RXerself (talk) 10:08, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Indonesia

Support But isn't the data type "external-id" rather than "string"? And how does it work if some IDs use one formatter URL and others use another URL? UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh yes, I missed that one. The two formatter URL are each for higher education institution (Q38723) (data_pt) while human (Q5) is using data_dosen. RXerself (talk) 06:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@RXerself: [a-zA-Z0-9]{11}t[a-zA-Z0-9]{6}00[a-zA-Z0-9]{11}t[a-zA-Z0-9]{16} ?
- Hmm, I think so. Well, the URL apparently has some sets of defined pattern but I didn't have enough samples to rule out more than the "00" and "t", like the 18th character apparently can only be filled by 5 or 6 characters, so it's not exactly any character. RXerself (talk) 19:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose 2 proposals : human (Q5) and higher education institution (Q38723). A proposal with data_pt/ and a another with data_dosen/, Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 14:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Mixcloud IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a user on Mixcloud
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), music organization (Q32178211), musical group (Q215380), radio program (Q1555508), record label (Q18127), podcast (Q24634210)
Allowed values	[a-zA-Z0-9]+
Example 1	deadmau5 (Q49009) → deadmau5
Example 2	Don Diablo (Q2464558) → dondiablo
Example 3	Tiësto (Q183508) → Tiesto
Example 4	Monstercat (Q10398667) → monstercat
Source	https://www.mixcloud.com/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.mixcloud.com/$1/
See also	SoundCloud ID (P3040)
Distinct values constraint	yes

MotivationEdit

Mixcloud (Q6883832) is an online platform that hosts various audio content like music mixes and radio shows, and more recently even video livestreams. Thus over the years it's attracted quite a number of notable musicians (especially DJs) and radio hosts on there. Btcprox (talk) 15:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Music

ANPI person IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a person of ANPI (Q3626661)'s Web portal
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	[a-z][-a-z]*
Example 1	Primo Levi (Q153670) → primo-levi
Example 2	Sandro Pertini (Q1233) → alessandro-pertini
Example 3	Rosselli brothers (Q3752399) → carlo-e-nello-rosselli
Source	https://www.anpi.it/donne-e-uomini
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Formatter URL	https://www.anpi.it/donne-e-uomini/$1
See also	Wikidata:Property proposal/ANPI person numeric ID

Motivation

ANPI (Q3626661) is the main association founded by participants of the Italian resistance against the Italian Fascist regime and the subsequent Nazi occupation during World War II. I think this would be a relevant identifier for a person.

Proposed aliases:

Donne e Uomini della Resistenza ID
Partigiani d'Italia ID
ANPI ID

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Italy --Horcrux (talk) 15:19, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Support --Camelia (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Support--Pierpao (talk) 15:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Support --FeltriaUrbsPicta (talk) 16:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Support--Patafisik (talk) 17:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment what's the relation to Wikidata:Property proposal/ANPI person numeric ID? We would we need both? --- Jura 18:16, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
@Jura1: There is a 1:1 correspondence between them. I thought the de facto standard in cases like this was to create both properties (e.g. Property:P6361 vs. Property:P6218, Property:P8152 vs. Property:P8151, Property:P3910 vs. Property:P7923, etc.). --Horcrux (talk) 18:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not that I'm aware of. Property:P3910 was replaced by Property:P7923. Sometimes we create one and notice later that it's not sufficiently stable for our purposes and we should have created it differently in the first place (e.g. Twitter numeric vs. Twitter name). I listed Property:P8152 for deletion as it duplicates Property:P8151 and wasn't even properly proposed. --- Jura 19:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Strong support --Luca.favorido (talk) 19:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose per above. --- Jura 22:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

RePEc EconPapers IDEdit

Done: RePEc EconPapers ID (P9273) (Talk and documentation)

Data type	External identifier
Domain	academic journal article (Q18918145), working paper (Q1228945)
Example 1	Growth in a Time of Debt (Q11836440) → aea:aecrev:v:100:y:2010:i:2:p:573-78
Example 2	On the Mechanics of Economic Development (Q55922984) → eee:moneco:v:22:y:1988:i:1:p:3-42
Example 3	Mathiness in the Theory of Economic Growth (Q57099715) → aea:aecrev:v:105:y:2015:i:5:p:89-93
Source	RePEc EconPapers
Number of IDs in source	3,426,934 (according to source above)
Formatter URL	https://econpapers.repec.org/RePEc:$1
See also	RePEc Short-ID (P2428), Research Papers in Economics Series handle (P2761), RePEc institute ID (P4096)

MotivationEdit

An abstract repository for journal articles and working papers in economics. Bender235 (talk) 21:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:08, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Support Pteropotamus (talk) 10:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support Will someone add the appropriate formatting regex for this identifier? UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 08:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- @UWashPrincipalCataloger: maybe [a-z]{3}:[a-z0-9]{6}:[a-z0-9:-]* But it’s hard to tell because there doesn’t seem to be a list of all entries --Emu (talk) 20:14, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Working papers follow a different scheme than publisher:journal:v:volume:y:year:i:issue:p:pages. For instance The Maximum Likelihood Estimation of Parameters Contained within Finitely Bounded Compact Sets: Some Preliminary Results (Q72883626) → cvs:starer:81-23. --Bender235 (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, my regex should cover that. It just looks for publisher:journal:something with letters, numbers, : or - --Emu (talk) 10:12, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bender235, ArthurPSmith, Pteropotamus, UWashPrincipalCataloger, Emu:

Done RePEc EconPapers ID (P9273) Pamputt (talk) 07:57, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

ComiXology publisher IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a publisher at ComiXology
Represents	ComiXology (Q5151724)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	publisher (Q2085381)
Example 1	Antarctic Press (Q571134) → 45-0
Example 2	Avatar Press (Q790268) → 11-0
Example 3	Hermes Press (Q16843205) → 97-0
Example 4	Action Lab Comics (Q4677113) → 123-0
Example 5	Aardvark-Vanaheim (Q4661691) → 103-0
Source	https://www.comixology.com/
Planned use	will add identifier to items for publishers of comics
Number of IDs in source	246
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.comixology.com/*/comics-publisher/$1
See also	ComiXology creator ID (P5951)

MotivationEdit

We are editing and creating items for publishers of comics, and some of them have ComiXology identifiers, which we would like to include in the items we create or edit. Katpaws (talk) 23:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

@Katpaws: It's not clear what you are proposing as the ID for Wikidata use. Is '45-0' the ID in the first case? or just '45'? Is the remainder of the URL you link to significant (otherwise you should just use the proposed formatter URL with these ID's). ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:07, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- It would be '45-0'. I fixed the example URLs. Thank you. --Katpaws (talk) 22:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

MeSH qualifier IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier of a MeSH (Medical Subject Headings) qualifier
Represents	Medical Subject Headings (Q199897)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item; medicine (Q11190)
Allowed values	Q[0-9]{6}
Example 1	epidemiology (Q133805) → Q000453 (MeSH Browser), Q000453 (MeSH RDF)
Example 2	surgery (Q40821) → Q000601 (MeSH Browser), Q000601 (MeSH RDF)
Example 3	mortality rate (Q58702) → Q000401 (MeSH Browser), Q000401 (MeSH RDF)
Example 4	anatomy (Q514) → Q000033 (MeSH Browser), Q000033 (MeSH RDF)
Example 5	histology (Q7168) → Q000033 (MeSH Browser), Q000033 (MeSH RDF)
Example 6	cerebrospinal fluid (Q54196) → Q000134 (MeSH Browser), Q000134 (MeSH RDF)
Example 7	prevention (Q13466133) → MESH Qualifier Q000517 (MeSH Browser), Q000517 (MeSH RDF)
Example 8	violence prevention (Q104733130) → MESH Descriptor D014754, qualified by MESH Qualifier Q000517
Source	https://meshb.nlm.nih.gov/search (MeSH Browser) and https://id.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/ (MeSH RDF)
Planned use	will add to medical topics as encountered
Number of IDs in source	79
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://meshb.nlm.nih.gov/record/ui?ui=$1 (MeSH Browser) and http://id.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/$1 (MeSH RDF)
See also	MeSH descriptor ID (P486), MeSH concept ID (P6694), MeSH term ID (P6680), MeSH tree code (P672) and proposal MeSH descriptor/qualifier ID
Applicable "stated in"-value	Medical Subject Headings (Q199897)
Distinct values constraint	no; some qualifiers cover two or more separate concepts, e.g. Q000033: anatomy & histology

MotivationEdit

MeSH qualifiers are the one MeSH controlled vocabulary that do not yet have a Wikidata property. These qualifiers are used in cataloging and indexing to further refine a subject by combining a MeSH descriptor with a qualifier. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 20:58, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support but you should probably use formatter URI for RDF resource (P1921) for the RDF links, and have the regular formatter URL provide the web links. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: Thanks for the suggestion. There doesn't seem to be a way to put formatter URI for RDF resource (P1921) into the proposal itself as a separate formatter property, so this would just have to be added to the property once it is created, right? UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 20:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
  - Yes, I think so. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:50, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support Thank you for setting this page up! Should we add in the description the best practice suggestion about the URIs also being included? Also, can we note that it can be used as a Qualifier for MeSH descriptor ID (P486)? Not really sure how all of this works yet, so we might not be able to add these yet. Pullen255 (talk) 11:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support EJPlantz (talk) 14:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support
- Should be usable both as main statement and as qualifier, see last 2 examples
- @UWashPrincipalCataloger, ArthurPSmith, Pullen255, EJPlantz: Let's also vote for Property_talk:P486#MeSH_descriptors_+_qualifiers --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 19:31, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Vladimir Alexiev: Were you referring to MeSH_descriptor/qualifier_ID? UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 20:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

MeSH descriptor/qualifier IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a MeSH (Medical Subject Headings) descriptor/qualifier combination
Represents	Medical Subject Headings (Q199897)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item; medicine (Q11190)
Allowed values	D[0-9]{6,9}Q[0-9]{6} D followed by 6 or 9 digits, followed by Q followed by 6 digits
Example 1	COVID-19 mortality (Q104778232) → D000086382Q000401
Example 2	arthropod anatomy (Q2845653) → D001181Q000033
Example 3	cyanide poisoning (Q883082) → D003486Q000506
Example 4	epidemiology of obesity (Q5382727) → D009765Q000453
Example 5	history of surgery (Q2556088) → D013502Q000266
Example 6	speech physiology (Q105549868) → D013060Q000502
Example 7	violence prevention (Q104733130) → D014754Q000517
Example 8	tennis injury (Q23039495) → D013715Q000293
Example 9	polymer chemistry (Q750446) → D011108Q000737
Source	https://id.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/
Planned use	will add to items as encountered and needed for subjects of theses and dissertations and fields of activity of University of Washington faculty, staff, and students
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://id.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/$1
See also	MeSH descriptor ID (P486), MeSH concept ID (P6694), MeSH term ID (P6680), MeSH tree code (P672) and proposal MeSH qualifier ID

MotivationEdit

There is currently no way to record an identifier for the combination of a MeSH main heading and qualifier. Qualifiers are used to further refine the subject described by a MeSH descriptor or concept, and there are numerous Wikidata items for concepts represented by the combination of a MeSH main heading and qualifier. MeSH RDF is available for these pre-coordinated combinations, and it would be useful to have a property that can link to the MeSH RDF for these concepts. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 21:56, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

The regex that I included, D[0-9]{6,9}Q[0-9]{6}, works fine, but if there is a way to specify that the number of digits after the D is either 6 or 9 characters in length, rather than between 6 and 9, that would be an improvement. When I changed the regex to D[0-9]{6|9}Q[0-9]{6} everything after the 6 disappeared from the allowed values. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 22:23, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 21:25, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopedia of Ostrava person IDEdit

Done: Encyclopedia of Ostrava History person ID (P9276) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for people related to Ostrava City and its history
Represents	Encyclopedia of Ostrava History (Q105721987)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{1,5}
Example 1	Alois Adamus (Q10779152) → 87
Example 2	Lev Prchala (Q436597) → 175
Example 3	Adolf Sonnenschein (Q95166194) → 155
Source	https://encyklopedie.ostrava.cz/home-mmo/?acc=osobnosti
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	add the external ID to existing entities
Number of IDs in source	6207
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://encyklopedie.ostrava.cz/home-mmo/?acc=profil_osobnosti&load=$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	Encyclopedia of Ostrava History (Q105721987)

MotivationEdit

Similar property to Encyclopedia of Brno History person ID (P8116). The proposed property is intended to simplify referencing to the Encyclopedia of Ostrava City. Daniel Baránek (talk) 13:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic --Daniel Baránek (talk) 19:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Support Jedudědek (talk) 19:24, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support There are other entities in this encyclopedia besides persons. Will additional properties be needed for them? UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 19:36, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
This encyclopedia works on the same basis as Encyclopedia of Brno History (Q16765207). Two properties exist to Brno item, person and object ID. So, yes, object ID might be desirable, too. --Daniel Baránek (talk) 20:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Sapfan (talk) 20:36, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Jklamo (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Skim (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Frettie (talk) 22:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --YjM | _d^c 01:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support -- JAn Dudík (talk) 12:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support -- --Adam Harangozó (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic @Daniel Baránek, Jedudedek, Sapfan, Jklamo, Skim, Frettie: Done as Encyclopedia of Ostrava History person ID (P9276). UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 20:27, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

GB1900 IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	Identifier for a place in the GB1900 project transcription of the Ordnance Survey six-inch-to-one-mile map, 1888-1913
Represents	GB1900 dataset (Q105554422)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	geographic location (Q2221906)
Allowed values	[0-9a-f]{24}
Example 1	Palace of Westminster (Q62408) → 57e3dd302c66dca408000096 (as "HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT")
Example 2	Chelsea (Q743535) → 57f17b952c66dca32201b66d
Example 3	Thorney House (Q26458246) → 58e7cb752c66dcf8fa0b4ada
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Applicable "stated in"-value	GB1900 dataset (Q105554422)

Source informationEdit

The GB1900 project (Q105554350) was a mass-participation community transcription project that between September 2016 and January 2018 transcribed every text string that appears on the 6-inches-to-the-mile (ie 1:10560) series of maps made by the Ordnance Survey (Q548721) between 1888 and 1913. Every string was attached to a geo-coordinate, corresponding to the bottom-left of the first letter of its first word. (See [5] for more information).

The output of the project is available from https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/data/#tabgb1900 in three forms:

Full final raw dump (CC0) -- 2666342 location rows, 8043679 transcription rows
Complete gazetteer (CC-BY-SA) -- 2552460 location + transcription rows
Abridged gazetteer (CC-BY-SA) -- 1174450 location + transcription rows

Note that the files are in 16-bit unicode, so to use 'grep' on eg a standard cygwin install something may be needed like

grep -Pa `echo -n "58e7cb752c66dcf8fa0b4ada" | iconv -f utf-8 -t utf-16le |  hexdump -e '/1 "x%02x"' | sed 's/x/\\\\x/g'` gb1900_transcriptions.csv

Also be aware that the coordinates in the 'locations' file in the raw dump are stored as hexadecimal strings in Well Known Binary (WKB) format -- see Simple Features (Q365034) (Thanks to Nikki on the wikimaps telegram group for identifying this format for me, with Stefano not far behind).

The "complete gazetteer" includes reconciliation of about 1.5% of the original transcriptions, where these were in disagreement; and also added (modern) parish and (modern) local authority fields. The "abridged gazetteer" excludes a large numbers of frequently repeating labels, such as "F.P." for footpath, but "still contains many transcriptions which are not necessarily place-names".

MotivationEdit

The GB1900 ID would be a slightly unusual external-id for wikidata for several reasons:

there is at the moment no site that accepts the IDs as part of a url, so no url-formatter is possible. (In the above I have linked directly to the coordinates given in the data files).
the coordinates do not quite represent the coordinates of the actual object, but instead that of the start of its label
the files come with no information as to what sort of thing the coordinates are for.

(This last is slightly surprising, because given the location and the character-string for each label, it might be not be thought too difficult a machine-learning proposition to identify the font-size and style the label was in, and at least extract that. But it seems this has not been done, or not been possible. On the first point, paper [6] (2019) describes a site that will accept the identifiers, including a pre-beta screenshot (figure 7). This is still intended, according to the Vision of Britain team, however as of 2021 it has not yet been possible to put that part of the site into production availability, "but the tech people are making progress".)

Nevertheless in my view this would be a useful dataset to be able to match into, for at least two reasons. In particular it may have been used in various external geotagging projects to eg provide ready coordinates for places ending in the word 'Castle' or some such similar word. Also such matching would provide useful sanity-checking for our own coordinates, even though it should be kept in mind that GB1900 coordinates do not exactly represent the location of the underlying place.

Proposed Use-styleEdit

I would propose to add the property, for items that can be matched into the dataset, with qualifiers named as (P1810) to give the GB1900 preferred name for the place, and coordinate location (P625) to give the GB1900 coordinates for the place, if the name and coordinates can be found in the CC0 "raw dump" files.

I would not propose that coordinates from GB1900 be used in a main coordinate location (P625) statement, as in general they will not (quite) match the location of the actual place. Therefore IMO it is better to give them as a P625 qualifier. This is also will also prove a convenient place to see the places on the underlying OS 1900 maps, which are available on the National Library of Scotland website, via geohack.

Despite the complications, I do think this will be a useful property to have, and a useful dataset to be able to reference into. Jheald (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Proposed. Jheald (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Support Very interesting idea. PKM (talk) 20:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Suggest contact National Library of Scotland to see if they would be interested in applying the machine learning appraoch mentioned by Jheald - ColinStuartGreenstreet (talk) 20:46, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Good suggestion. But we can probably get quite a long way matching smaller-scale items to GB1900 hits -- eg listed buildings, scheduled monuments, heritage sites, etc -- even without any 'type' information, given the rough coordinates and that the names will be reasonably unique. It may become a bit trickier for items on the scale of villages and towns, to be sure that we're distinguishing which GB1900 label corresponds to the settlement, to the parish, to the constituency etc. But my feeling would be to start matching what we can, and then talk to the NLS, once we already have some matches to show for ourselves. Jheald (talk) 21:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Support The use of this dataset in other projects e.g. Viae Regiae, is going to make matching it to Wikidata items increasingly useful.DrThneed (talk) 22:46, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopedia of Plzeň person IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for people related to Plzeň City and its history
Represents	Encyclopedia of Plzeň History (Q105728148)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{1,5}
Example 1	Emil Škoda (Q375126) → 1273
Example 2	Kamil Krofta (Q87020) → 11
Example 3	Antonín Kott (Q95146712) → 100
Source	https://encyklopedie.plzen.eu/home-mup/?acc=osobnosti
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	add the external ID to existing entities
Number of IDs in source	2481
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://encyklopedie.plzen.eu/home-mup/?acc=profil_osobnosti&load=$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	Encyclopedia of Plzeň History (Q105728148)

MotivationEdit

Similar property to Encyclopedia of Brno History person ID (P8116). The proposed property is intended to simplify referencing to the Encyclopedia of Plzeň City. --Daniel Baránek (talk) 08:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic --Daniel Baránek (talk) 19:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Support Jedudědek (talk) 08:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Emu (talk) 08:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 08:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Jklamo (talk) 09:50, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Sapfan (talk) 09:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Frettie (talk) 10:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Skim (talk) 10:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support -- JAn Dudík (talk) 12:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support Definitely, thanks! --YjM | _d^c 21:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support -- --Adam Harangozó (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

City Lexicon KarlsruheEdit

Under discussion

Description	reference work on persons, places, institutions and events in Karlsruhe, Germany
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	\b(top\|ins\|bio\|ereig)\b-\d{4}
Example 1	Amalie Baader (Q452997) → bio-0591
Example 2	Palais Bürklin (Q16006222) → top-2120
Example 3	Baden State Library (Q799084) → ins-0808
Example 4	Hep-Hep riots (Q542289) → ereig-0216
Source	https://stadtlexikon.karlsruhe.de/index.php/De:Stadtlexikon
Mix'n'match	2878
Planned use	mix’n’merge
Number of IDs in source	more than 2600
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://stadtlexikon.karlsruhe.de/index.php/De:Lexikon:$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	Stadtlexikon Karlsruhe (Q66436504)
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Wikidata:WikiProject Germany

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Germany A rather comprehensive curated wiki on Karlsruhe, Germany.

Please note: While page ids should generally be used when dealing with Mediawikis, this one is a special case as it uses special permalinks. Emu (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support -- --Adam Harangozó (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Museum of the Jewish People at Beit Hatfutsot IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	Jewish Museum Berlin person ID
Represents	Beit Hatfutsot (Q796764)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	Goldwasser (Q21504697) → 256696
Example 2	Anne Frank (Q4583) → 254977
Example 3	Hasson (Q28531704) → 208493
Example 4	Zambrów (Q145719) → 249915
Source	https://dbs.anumuseum.org.il/skn/en/c6/BH
Planned use	Match to existing people, family names and places
Number of IDs in source	not sure. more than 20,000 family names
Expected completeness	always incomplete
Formatter URL	https://dbs.anumuseum.org.il/skn/en/e$1
Wikidata project	Wikidata:WikiProject Names

MotivationEdit

Most motivation for me was for importing family names and easily translating them into heb using the database. Moreover - a very large and detailed database containing thousands of family trees and images.--Mikey641 (talk) 15:46, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:47, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Daniel Baránek (talk) 10:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia Herder concept IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a concept in the Encyclopaedia Herder
Represents	Encyclopaedia Herder (Q55402145)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	allegory (Q18535) → Alegoría
Example 2	anarchism (Q6199) → Anarquismo
Example 3	Jewish philosophy (Q837795) → Filosofía_judía
Source	https://encyclopaedia.herdereditorial.com/wiki/Lista:Concepta
Mix'n'match	854
Planned use	Adding IDs through Mix'n'match
Formatter URL	https://encyclopaedia.herdereditorial.com/wiki/$1
See also	Encyclopaedia Herder person ID (P5441)

MotivationEdit

Spanish encyclopedia of philosophy. For the biographies there is already a property. Adam Harangozó (talk) 18:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --Gerwoman (talk) 19:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopedia of Greater Philadelphia IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an article in the Encyclopedia of Greater Philadelphia
Represents	Encyclopedia of Greater Philadelphia (Q105733695)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	chemical industry (Q207652) → chemical-industry
Example 2	United States Declaration of Independence (Q127912) → declaration-of-independence
Example 3	Mason–Dixon Line (Q530472) → mason-dixon-line
Source	https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org
Mix'n'match	3027
Planned use	Adding IDs through Mix'n'match
Formatter URL	https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/archive/$1

MotivationEdit

Online US state encyclopedia. Adam Harangozó (talk) 18:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Biblioteca Capitolare di Verona author IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an author in the catalogue of the Biblioteca Capitolare di Verona
Represents	Catalogue of the Capitular Library of Verona (Q105737216)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), organization (Q43229)
Allowed values	\d{1,4}
Example 1	Friedrich Lindenbrog (Q20980257) → 283
Example 2	Sallustio Tiberi (Q105737308) → 312
Example 3	Society of Jesus (Q36380) → 329
Example 4	Marco Petronio Caldana (Q104523385) → 1384
Source	http://capitolare.fcssolutions.it/opac_css/index.php
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Mix'n'match (ready to be uploaded when the property is created)
Number of IDs in source	6958 (growing)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://capitolare.fcssolutions.it/opac_css/index.php?lvl=author_see&id=$1
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Authority control

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Authority control by one of the most important Capitular Libraries in Italy. Epìdosis 21:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --Emu (talk) 21:26, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support Scrape già effettuato. -- Bargioni 🗣 21:34, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support The more, the merrier. - PKM (talk) 21:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Silva Selva (talk) 16:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Enciclopedia de Puerto Rico IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an article in the Enciclopedia de Puerto Rico
Represents	Encyclopedia of Puerto Rico (Q72378118)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	Arturo Morales Carrión (Q16012302) → arturo-morales-carrion
Example 2	Calyptronoma rivalis (Q5024757) → calyptronoma-rivalis-palma-manaca
Example 3	Sixto Escobar (Q3485763) → sixto-escobar
Source	https://enciclopediapr.org
Planned use	Adding IDs through Mix'n'match
Formatter URL	https://enciclopediapr.org/content/$1

MotivationEdit

Online academic encyclopedia about Puerto Rico. Adam Harangozó (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support certainly useful --Epìdosis 13:56, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

PorcelanaBrasil IDEdit

Under discussion

Represents	Hundreds of "pottery manufacturer" (Q97669839) located in Brasil.
Data type	External identifier
Domain	property
Example 1	Q86739246 → value --> m-zappi.htm
Example 2	Q86739138 → value --> m-sta-catharina.htm
Example 3	Q86738536 → value --> m-irfm.htm
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	hundreds
Formatter URL	http://www.porcelanabrasil.com.br/"$1"

MotivationEdit

The theme of porcelain factories is a poorly developed topic on Portuguese Wikipedia and I think that an Wikidat ID like the one proposed above can help in the creation of new articles. Sturm (talk) 20:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Eesti entsüklopeedia IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an article in the online version of the Eesti entsüklopeedia (Estonia Encyclopedia)
Represents	Eesti entsüklopeedia (Q12361515)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9\D_]+
Example 1	Josua Möllenbeck (Q16407800) → möllenbeck_josua
Example 2	Estonian Swedes (Q1358371) → eestirootslased
Example 3	Tallinn (Q1770) → tallinn
Example 4	Pääsküla River (Q2120495) → pääsküla_jõgi
Source	http://entsyklopeedia.ee/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Slow manual addition; probably Mix'n'match in the future
Number of IDs in source	about 90000 (http://entsyklopeedia.ee/home/about)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://entsyklopeedia.ee/artikkel/$1
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Estonia

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Estonia Fundamental reference work about Estonia, available under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (Q15643954). Epìdosis 13:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support. --Metsavend (talk) 14:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Support. --Adam Harangozó (talk) 16:39, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Support. Kruusamägi (talk) 11:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopedia of Melbourne IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an article in the Encyclopedia of Melbourne
Represents	Encyclopedia of Melbourne (Q105756035)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	Old Melbourne Gaol (Q2018436) → EM01081b
Example 2	The Sun News-Pictorial (Q7767350) → EM01443b
Example 3	Royal Historical Society of Victoria (Q7374285) → EM01275b
Source	https://www.emelbourne.net.au/
Mix'n'match	3032
Planned use	Adding IDs through Mix'n'match
Formatter URL	https://www.emelbourne.net.au/biogs/$1

MotivationEdit

Academic encyclopedia of the city of Melbourne. Adam Harangozó (talk) 16:36, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Australia

Cyprus Bibliography IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an authority in the Cyprus Bibliography (catalogue of all Cypriot publications after 1980)
Represents	Cyprus Bibliography (Q105755418)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Wikibase
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	University of Cyprus (Q1520608) → 22660
Example 2	oxygen therapy (Q1988216) → 22703
Example 3	Thodōrēs Papaiōannou (Q105755492) → 23038
Example 4	Simos Menardos (Q16328120) → 22581
Source	http://cyprusbiblio.cut.ac.cy/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Mix'n'match (Personal names ready for upload when the property is created)
Number of IDs in source	20917 (growing)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://cyprusbiblio.cut.ac.cy/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?marc=1&authid=$1
See also	Wikidata:Property proposal/Cyprus Library ID
Applicable "stated in"-value	Cyprus Bibliography (Q105755418)
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Authority control

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Strictly connected to Wikidata:Property proposal/Cyprus Library ID. --Epìdosis 16:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support -- Bargioni 🗣 18:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Support - PKM (talk) 23:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Support -- – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Silva Selva (talk • contribs).

JaneladaHistoria IDEdit

Under discussion

Data type	External identifier
Domain	property
Example 1	Parque Trianon (Q3363931) → value --> parque-trianon
Example 2	Matarazzo Mansion (Q27910270) → value --> matarazzo
Example 3	Belvedere Trianon (Q8246042) → value --> belvedere
Example 4	São Paulo Observatory (Q10340092) → value --> observatorio-de-sp
Number of IDs in source	circa 100
Formatter URL	https://www.janeladahistoria.com/"$1"

MotivationEdit

This site that will serve as an external identifier recreates several mansions, many of them demolished, from one of the main avenues in the city of São Paulo. It will be a great way to add credibility and link information to Wikidata items about all of these buildings. Sturm (talk) 20:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Encyclopedia of French Cultural Heritage in North America IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an article in the Encyclopedia of French Cultural Heritage in North America
Represents	Encyclopedia of French Cultural Heritage in North America (Q105759910)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	ceinture fléchée (Q2943844) → 477
Example 2	Adam Dollard des Ormeaux (Q1748172) → 299
Example 3	Montreal Botanical Garden (Q894652) → 426
Source	http://www.ameriquefrancaise.org/
Planned use	Adding IDs through Mix'n'match
Formatter URL	https://www.ameriquefrancaise.org/en/article-$1/

MotivationEdit

English version of the online academic encyclopedia. Adam Harangozó (talk) 08:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Encyclopédie du patrimoine culturel de l'Amérique française IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an article in the Encyclopédie du patrimoine culturel de l'Amérique française
Represents	Encyclopedia of French Cultural Heritage in North America (Q105759910)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	ceinture fléchée (Q2943844) → 184
Example 2	Adam Dollard des Ormeaux (Q1748172) → 17
Example 3	Montreal Botanical Garden (Q894652) → 382
Source	http://www.ameriquefrancaise.org/
Planned use	Adding IDs through Mix'n'match
Formatter URL	https://www.ameriquefrancaise.org/fr/article-$1/

MotivationEdit

French version of the online academic encyclopedia. Adam Harangozó (talk) 08:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support well documented articles, with bibliographies. --Epìdosis 08:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Inforegister IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an corresponding page in the database of the Estonian businesses
Represents	no label (Q25507157)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[\d\w-]+
Example 1	Fortum Tartu (Q31273705) → 10641763-FORTUM-TARTU-AS
Example 2	Wikimedia Eesti‎ (Q12379207) → 80316310-WIKIMEDIA-EESTI-MTU
Example 3	Nortal (Q3742753) → 10391131-WEBMEDIA-GROUP-AS
Example 4	Tartu Art Museum (Q12376420) → 70004366-TARTU-KUNSTIMUUSEUM
Source	https://www.inforegister.ee/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	100k +
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.inforegister.ee/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	yes
See also	Business Registry code (Estonia) (P6518)
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Wikidata:WikiProject Companies

MotivationEdit

Has information about all the business (Q4830453) and nonprofit organization (Q163740) in Estonia. Kruusamägi (talk) 17:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

To save others time checking: sadly, the links seem to require both the numeric ID *and* the company name, which kinda defeats the purpose of exposing the numeric ID in the first place, but oh well. --Reosarevok (talk) 19:51, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Terezín Memorial Database IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identificator of The Terezín Memorial – Database of politically and racially persecuted persons
Represents	Database of the Terezín Memorial (Q105764867)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[0-9a-z\-]+
Example 1	Jaroslav Šimsa (Q12024167) → da-simsa-jaroslav
Example 2	Pavel Kafka (Q95212043) → te-hupka-joseph
Example 3	Josef Beran (Q704059) → mp-beran-josef-2
Source	https://www.pamatnik-terezin.cz/databaze
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Add the identificator to existing prisoners in Terezín.
Number of IDs in source	257080
Expected completeness	is complete (Q21874050)
Formatter URL	https://www.pamatnik-terezin.cz/prisoner/$1
See also	Holocaust.cz person ID (P9109)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Database of the Terezín Memorial (Q105764867)
Distinct values constraint	yes

MotivationEdit

Terezín Memorial Database contains both, Jewish and non-Jewish prisoners. Useful source of information. Daniel Baránek (talk) 20:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic --Daniel Baránek (talk) 20:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Support --Emu (talk) 20:22, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Support Jedudědek (talk) 20:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Trade (talk) 20:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 20:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Jklamo (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Support wow! --Frettie (talk) 21:59, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 13:38, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Skim (talk) 20:10, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Support YjM | _d^c 22:57, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Das wissenschaftliche Bibellexikon im Internet IDEdit

Under discussion

Represents	Das wissenschaftliche Bibellexikon im Internet (Q1171749)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Jesus (Q302) → 51866
Example 2	Paul E. Kahle (Q70136) → 26917
Example 3	reception theory (Q3067311) → 33446
Source	https://www.bibelwissenschaft.de/wibilex/
Planned use	Adding IDs through Mix'n'match
Formatter URL	https://www.bibelwissenschaft.de/stichwort/$1

MotivationEdit

German Bible encyclopedia online, written by academics and theologians. Adam Harangozó (talk) 20:54, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --Gerwoman (talk) 18:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

SVKKL authority IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier in the regional authority database of Central Bohemian Research Library
Represents	Q105821202
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	template SVKKL in Czech Wikipedia (its identifier value must be fixed before import, because it needlessly required a long unchangable text string "detail-kl_us_auth-" before the actual identifier)
Domain	item
Allowed values	[pkb]?[0-9]{7}\-[A-Za-z0-9\-]*
Example 1	Monika Absolonová (Q3508501) → p0086137-Absolonova-Monika-1976
Example 2	Abertamy (Q319731) → 0245155-Abertamy-cesko
Example 3	Q33242417 → 0234523-Arnoldinovsky-dum-Brandys-nad-Labem-cesko
Source	https://www.svkkl.cz/katalog-a-databaze/pamatky-mista-a-osobnosti-regionu
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	add identifier to existing Wikidata items which can be mapped via NKCR AUT ID (P691) provided in the authority files
Number of IDs in source	344745
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://ipac.svkkl.cz/arl-kl/cs/detail-kl_us_auth-$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	Q105821202
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Czech Republic (Q4587594)

MotivationEdit

This is a large regional librarian database sometimes linked from Wikipedia articles but also from Wikidata entries. I'd like to standardize linking to this database by creating an identifier property, and import some IDs which can be reconciled via links to NKCR AUT ID (P691) present in some of its entries. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 09:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 09:14, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Support Support, but i don't like mixed links (humas, object, etc.) for same authority. --Skim (talk) 09:19, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Frettie (talk) 10:16, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 10:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Sapfan (talk) 11:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Gerwoman (talk) 18:35, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support Jedudědek (talk) 19:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

GameSpot developer IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a video game developer in the GameSpot database
Represents	GameSpot (Q45836)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game developer (Q210167), video game developer (Q58287519)
Allowed values	\d+
Example 1	Microsoft (Q2283) → microsoft
Example 2	Sony Interactive Entertainment (Q18594) → sony-interactive-entertainment
Example 3	Nintendo (Q8093) → nintendo
Example 4	Valve Corporation (Q193559) → valve-software
Source	https://www.gamespot.com
Formatter URL	https://www.gamespot.com/companies/$1
See also	GameSpot ID (P5494)

MotivationEdit

--Trade (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

Support Jean-Fred (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

PatER IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of cultural heritage in PatER, a website by Italian region Emilia-Romagna
Represents	PatER (Q105826856)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Wikibase
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Maroboduus (Q165144) → 169187
Example 2	Sigismondo Foschi (Q7512159) → 1465
Example 3	Musei civici di Palazzo Farnese (Q55377422) → 26721
Example 4	Arian Baptistry (Q1449217) → 162094
Source	https://bbcc.ibc.regione.emilia-romagna.it/pater/search.do
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	slow manual match; eventually, Mix'n'match
Number of IDs in source	154940 (growing)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://bbcc.ibc.regione.emilia-romagna.it/pater/loadcard.do?id_card=$1
See also	Tourer.it ID (P4133)
Single value constraint	yes
Distinct values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Italy

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Italy Very good database regarding various aspects of the cultural heritage of Emilia-Romagna (Q1263). Epìdosis 21:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --Sentruper (talk) 21:20, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support--Parma1983 (talk) 22:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --FeltriaUrbsPicta (talk) 22:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support --Fausta Samaritani (talk) 23:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

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TrueAchievements game IDEdit

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RAL IDEdit

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Gry-Online game IDEdit

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FactGrid property IDEdit

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Picardia IDEdit

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Grandterrier.net IDEdit

KKBox track IDEdit

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Offizielle Deutsche Charts album IDEdit

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Wiki Loves Earth Ukraine identifierEdit

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Southern Poverty Law Center group IDEdit

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MobyGames attribute IDEdit

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Dictionary of Occupational Titles IDEdit

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Fancyclopedia 3 IDEdit

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NMC Heritage IDEdit

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Geneanet Family Name IDEdit

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Geneall IDEdit

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Baidu Baijia IDEdit

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Basic Formal Ontology IDEdit

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Cephalopod Ontology entity IDEdit

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Fungal gross anatomy entity IDEdit

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Plant Ontology entity IDEdit

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Hymenoptera Anatomy Ontology entity IDEdit

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PeriodO period IDEdit

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jeuxvideo.com IDEdit

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BookDepository publisher IDEdit

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ANSI/NISO standard IDEdit