Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

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Authority controlEdit

See also Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending for approved items awaiting the deployment of currently unavailable datatypes

Already approved properties: list

Flora del Cono Sur Darwinion IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for plant taxon, in the Darwinion Southern Cone Flora (Flora del Cono Sur Darwinion)
Represents	taxon (Q16521)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	plant taxa
Allowed values	[1-9]/d*
Example 1	= 188572
Example 2	= 1326
Example 3	Aa hieronymi (Q15586669) = 23892
Source	http://www.darwin.edu.ar/proyectos/floraargentina/fa.htm
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	use it as an authority control to identify plants (taxon) of the Southern Cone, and add relevant information for those taxons, including images
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	http://www.darwin.edu.ar/Proyectos/FloraArgentina/DetalleEspecie.asp?espcod=$1

MotivationEdit

alias = Darwinion Southern Cone Flora ID

The "Flora del Cono Sur" it's a catalog made by the Darwinion Institute of Botany from Argentina. It's a very comprehensive catalog with more than 10,000 taxons identified in their database. They have persistent URLs with a code at the end of URL that allow for identification. They are a reliable and trustworthy source of information. Importantly enough, they provide very valuable regional data that is hard to find in other types of databases, since this is a regional one that only catalogs plants from Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil. This will allow for more refined searches inside Wikidata that will allow us to create more focused articles and find more relevant images with a geographical criteria. Scann (talk) 15:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Scann: Please provide the QIDs matching the three example links you give above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance @Pigsonthewing. I've removed support until this is resolved but will be contacting @Scann to assist if I can. Ambrosia10 (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: we're having some issues with the external URLs for now, so we're looking into it. Apparently if you leave the link like this one 188572 it doesn't retrieve the species/genre, even when it still acts like an unique identifier. The first ones don't have a Wikidata item, I still need a few days to create them. --Scann (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Oppose for now; happy to revisit when the above issue is resolved. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Yup totally reasonable @Pigsonthewing:. I'll try to see if there's a way to work around this and let you know when that happens. Thanks! --Scann (talk) 23:36, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Taxonomy

7digital United Kingdom artist IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an artist on 7digital United Kingdom music site
Represents	7digital United Kingdom (Q64556123)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Basshunter (Q383541) → basshunter
Example 2	Stromae (Q313453) → stromae
Example 3	Sean Paul (Q200577) → sean-paul
Source	https://uk.7digital.com
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Putting value to musical artists available from the 7digital United Kingdom site.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://uk.7digital.com/artist/$1
See also	KKBox artist ID (P5154)

MotivationEdit

Missing property. Other properties needed include 7digital United Kingdom release ID or 7digital Sverige artist ID. Eurohunter (talk) 15:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support David (talk) 07:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Comment Is there a way to make the 7digital identifiers region-independent, or does each regional site have its own distinct identifiers for the same artists? Mahir256 (talk) 23:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Mahir256: It's like iTunes. Every country has their independent releases but with the same id. So as I said in motivation I think we need to have separate id for 7digital United Kingdom, 7digital Sverige, 7digital Deutschalnd, 7digital France, 7digital Italia etc. to distinguish se. uk. de. fr. it. in url. In addition iTunes on Wikidata need separate id for other countries like Sweden and UK because it has only US version of url so I never make it to work to add other versions like Swedish or British versions of iTunes. Eurohunter (talk) 07:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

If they have the same ID, then we should have only one property. You can set several formatter URL's with qualifiers (not that the UI understands this, but it's at least human-interpretable) or use the third-party formatter URL property if that makes more sense. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@ArthurPSmith: Can you show example? Eurohunter (talk) 18:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

The properties listed here are ones where the third-party formatter URL is used, for example Library of Congress authority ID (P244). Tennis Temple player ID (P4544) is an example of a property with different formatter URL's for different languages. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@ArthurPSmith: But there is no example for French version at Tennis Temple player ID. Eurohunter (talk) 20:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: ArthurPSmith is right, we could make only one property with different formatter URL's for different languages. Even no need use third-party formatter URL property. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

@ZI Jony: Can you show example? Eurohunter (talk) 14:48, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

@ArthurPSmith: could you link an example of how to use qualified formatter URL's and I'll update this one. --Ysangkok (talk) 01:43, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ysangkok: I'm not sure what you're asking for, but Tennis Temple player ID (P4544) seemed to me like an example you could follow for this. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Comment I would agree that instead of various regional properties this can just be one property with multiple formatter URLs qualified by region/language. Would support this proposal if it was updated as such. --SilentSpike (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

academic appointmentEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	Academic appointment to a department or unit of an institution of higher education; distinct from academic tenure (Q1154390) and academic rank (Q486983)
Data type	Item
Domain	people
Allowed values	typically, items which are instances of academic department (Q2467461)
Example 1	Seth R. Bordenstein (Q45943775) → Vanderbilt Department of Biological Sciences (Q78041310)
Example 2	Owen D. Jones (Q77516060) → Vanderbilt University Law School (Q7914456)
Example 3	Ivan Khorin (Q4499927) → Moscow University's Department of Philosophy (Q3064305)

MotivationEdit

This provides a method for accurately depicting affiliation(s) within an academic institution at a department level and providing details about the individual's research interests and place in career. --Eshook (talk) 17:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

We suggest using as a qualifier the property "series ordinal" (P1545) value of "1" for the primary appointment and "2" for secondary appointment(s). "Ranking" (P1352) is probably not appropriate for this purpose since it has type constraints that seem to preclude its use as a qualifier. Baskaufs (talk) 18:30, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Wikidata for research. Clifford Anderson (talk) 19:14, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Support: good idea. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:58, 12 December 2019 (UTC).

Support: Mlemusrojas (talk) 14:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Question: doesn't employer (P108) fill this role, or are there many cases where it is not an employment relationship? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, and for cases of not-necessarily-employment we also already have affiliation (P1416). I'm not sure what this proposal adds to these existing properties. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  - With this suggestion, we are hoping to more accurately represent the relationships faculty have with departments in higher education. employer (P108) will still be used. affiliation (P1416) does not depict the relationship in such a way that is meaningful to higher education. In addition, the use of "academic appointment" will allow universities to utilize wikidata for research impact tracking by providing a more narrow property than employer or affiliation.--Eshook (talk) 19:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  - The term "academic appointment" has a more specific meaning than "affiliation," I think. A faculty member will have a primary appointment at a university and may also have many secondary appointments. For instance, a faculty member at a university may have a primary appointment in the department of religious studies in the School of Arts and Sciences and secondary appointments in the faculty of teaching and learning in the School of Education as well as the department of psychiatry in the School of Medicine. When trying to model scholarly communications, we want to account for these primary and secondary appointments across institutions. Affiliation is a broader term, which could be used to indicate that a faculty member belongs to a Center for Digital Humanities or takes part in a trans-institutional grant program. I imagine that both will be used when modeling faculty relations, but I'd suggest they are sufficiently distinct as concepts to warrant distinguishing them as properties. Clifford Anderson (talk) 19:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  - Although a person with an academic appointment would also be affiliated with a department, there are also people affiliated with departments that are not faculty with appointments. For example, visiting scholars, postdoctoral fellows, and research staff are affiliates that do not have academic appointments. The proposed property would make it possible to query for faculty with primary or secondary appointments in a department or college, while excluding those other categories of affiliates. Baskaufs (talk) 19:09, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Oppose use employer. --- Jura 10:27, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Agree with Jura. You can use more than one employer if you wanna reflect organization and department. Circeus (talk) 21:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Support. I'm confused about the opposes above. As was explained, an academic appointment is not the same employment or affiliation. This would model a different, specific type of relationship a person may have with an academic department or institute. Using "employer" would be a bit like saying members of Congress should simply be described as employees of Congress, rather than stating the offices they hold.
Generally, the employment relationship would be with the university, not the department. I've added this more explicitly in the "allowed values" above. Also, an academic appointment does not necessarily imply actual employment (for example, depending on how emeritus appointments work at the institution), and a person with employment at the institution could hold appointments with multiple departments (or none). For these reasons, a distinct property makes sense. Dominic (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Baskaufs, Clifford Anderson, Dominic, Eshook: Rereading the above discussion it is not clear to me that even you all agree on the meaning of these terms; I don't see how a third property along these lines could possibly be viewed with anything but confusion by an average Wikidata user. Why would emeritus professors have a different property than visiting scholars and research staff? If you can provide a third-party reference that clearly describes the distinction between these 3 relations (and in ways that are not specific to a small number of institutions but in some way universal around the world) then maybe I could see a point. But it seems to me the relation is either one of employment (in some kind of position with a subsidiary of the organization as a whole) or affiliation without employment, covered by the two existing properties. Note also that for the vast majority of academic institutions Wikidata only has items for the university as a whole; if there is anything else then maybe major subsidiaries such as an engineering or medical school, very rarely individual departments. So I don't see a more finely grained property, if that is the key distinction being made, actually being very useful here anyway. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, ArthurPSmith, for these remarks. You are right that capturing a precise definition is challenging because the term "appointment" differs slightly from university to university, making it hard to define the extension in the abstract. That said, the faculty manuals of institutions provide guidance about how to use apply the term: see Berkeley, Chinese University of Hong Kong, UVA, etc. Like other information in the realm of scholarly communications, we would most likely gather this information from CVs and from faculty websites. But, stepping back, maybe it helps to share more about the longterm goal. You are also quite right that Wikidata does not currently delve into the internal structure of university beyond, perhaps, the school and college level (i.e. School of Engineering, Law School, etc.) But, as Wikidata develops as a tool for scholarly communications, I see it encroaching into the territory of Research Information Management systems or RIMs. I believe that, over time, Wikidata could become a credible open source alternative to these proprietary systems, particularly for smaller schools and Global South institutions that cannot afford the commercial products. RIMs include information about faulty appointments to departments as that's needed for benchmarking with similar faculty at peer institutions. Right now, we're trying to chart out the data model but, again, I agree completely that it's early days in this effort and it pushes Wikidata to a new level of specificity in describing the internal structure of universities. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Clifford Anderson (talk • contribs) at 15:26, May 20, 2020‎ (UTC).
  - @Clifford Anderson: all three of your references appear to me to put "appointment" in a clear context of "employment" - in particular the UVA page is titled "Faculty Appointments and Employment". Do you have a reference that makes an actual distinction between "appointment" and "employment"? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
    - @ArthurPSmith: Employment is a property that applies very broadly to faculty, staff, and even students at universities. In most cases, a faculty member with an appointment will be employed by a university. But the terms are not co-extensive. There are also appointments that do not imply an employer/employee relationship. See, for example, the list of non-salaried faculty appointments at Iowa State University and the Non-Employee Appointments at the University of Montana, indicating that faculty with "affiliate" or "courtesy" appointments are not employees. From what I understand, this distinction exists in non-US systems as well. For instance, I believe a Privatdocent has a teaching appointment but would not be considered an employee in the German system. And, as has already been mentioned above, an emeritus faculty member has an appointment without an ongoing employment relationship. In addition, faculty appointments (particularly secondary appointments) may shift over time while the employment remains stable. So I believe the concepts are distinct, though in many cases overlapping.
Support: Academic appointments, especially for adjunct and temporary faculty along with honorary faculty who may be unpaid, are really different than an employer-employee relationship. This is a gap in Wikidata now, and is a useful addition. I support this. --- FULBERT (talk) 19:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

( Support} There are many complicated circumstances that can be covered here: a single person could have a joint or secondary appointment in several departments, and also several institutes within the uiversity, , and with a department of an affiliated hospital, , and with an academic departments elsewhere (such as retaining a relationship with past institutions) These can be difficult to disientagle (tho we usually try in WP if we an find a full CV), but at least they should be recorded here. DGG (talk) 01:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

article in Catalan VikidiaEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	name of the article in Catalan Vikidia
Represents	Catalan Vikidia (Q79419830)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	\S{1,400}
Example 1	Romance languages (Q19814) → Llengua_romànica
Example 2	Spanish (Q1321) → Castellà
Example 3	Spain (Q29) → Espanya
Source	http://ca.vikidia.org/wiki/Special:Allpages
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Link Vikidia articles with its corresponding item
Number of IDs in source	~480
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://ca.vikidia.org/wiki/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe check that links are valid

Support --Trade (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

article in Russian VikidiaEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	name of the article in Russian Vikidia
Represents	Russian Vikidia (Q79419828)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	\S{1,400}
Example 1	Hayao Miyazaki (Q55400) → Хаяо_Миядзаки
Example 2	Argentina (Q414) → Аргентина
Example 3	Mexico (Q96) → Мексика
Source	http://ru.vikidia.org/wiki/Special:Allpages
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Link Vikidia articles with its corresponding item
Number of IDs in source	196
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://ru.vikidia.org/wiki/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe check that links are valid

Support --Trade (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

article in Greek VikidiaEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	name of the article in Greek Vikidia
Represents	Greek Vikidia (Q79419839)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	\S{1,400}
Example 1	Italy (Q38) → Ιταλία
Example 2	electrical injury (Q244404) → Ηλεκτροπληξία
Example 3	Portugal (Q45) → Πορτογαλία
Source	http://el.vikidia.org/wiki/Special:Allpages
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Link Vikidia articles with its corresponding item
Number of IDs in source	45
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://el.vikidia.org/wiki/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe check that links are valid

Support --Trade (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

article in Sicilian VikidiaEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	name of the article in Sicilian Vikidia
Represents	Sicilian Vikidia (Q79419835)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	\S{1,400}
Example 1	French (Q150) → Lingua_francisi
Example 2	Spain (Q29) → Spagna
Example 3	France (Q142) → Franza
Source	http://scn.vikidia.org/wiki/Special:Allpages
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Link Vikidia articles with its corresponding item
Number of IDs in source	39
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://scn.vikidia.org/wiki/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe check that links are valid

MotivaciónEdit

As of now, we have no way to link a Vikidia article with a Wikipedia article, a Commons category, or any Wikidata data. These properties will allow us to do that, using SPARQL queries. ~~I'll only propose identifiers for Vikidia editions that contains at least 500 articles, so there are three Vikidias that I won't propose (Russian [195 art], Greek [45 art], and Sicilian [39 art])~~.--Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Support --Trade (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support all but can't this project be made a Wikimedia project so that we can link it with Wikipedia using Wikidata? David (talk) 05:17, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: There was a proposal in 2014, but it didn't succeed. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 18:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
@Tinker Bell: I tried to create this property but an automatic check failed: example value "Ordinateur" does not match regular expression MediaWiki valid title. Please fix your proposal and your property will be created shortly. This is an automated message but do not hesitate to ping me if you need any help. − Pintoch (talk) 17:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Pintoch: MediaWiki valid title is not a regular expression. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 18:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Pintoch: I've changed the value to the regex [^ ]{1,400}. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 23:30, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Tinker Bell: Done: French Vikidia ID (P7818). − Pintoch (talk) 11:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Weak oppose for the remaining ones, which do not have many entries. − Pintoch (talk) 11:39, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment in the meantime, Property:P7818 was labelled "French Vikidia ID", but most others "article in (language) Vikidia". As English labels usually start with the name of the website, I switched that to "(language) Vikidia article". I suppose this is preferable over "Vikidia in (language)" as the items for the editions are labelled "(language) Vikidia" (sample: Q79419012). --- Jura 08:33, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment @Tinker Bell: I think you want "Any non-whitespace character", so I replaced all RegEx with its meta sequence \S. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 15:25, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Support Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 07:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Stairway To Hell IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a video game in the Stairway To Hell database
Represents	Stairway To Hell (Q80700184)
Data type	URL
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Allowed values	https://www.stairwaytohell.com/games/\w+/\w+\-\w+\.html
Example 1	Perplexity (Q7169579) → https://www.stairwaytohell.com/games/superior/Superior-Perplexity.html
Example 2	Grand Prix Construction Set (Q5594922) → https://www.stairwaytohell.com/games/superior/Superior-GrandPrixConstructionSet.html
Example 3	Dunjunz (Q5315329) → https://www.stairwaytohell.com/games/b/BugByte-Dunjunz.html, https://www.stairwaytohell.com/games/b/BugByte-Dunjunz-elk.html
Example 4	By Fair Means or Foul (Q5003787) → https://www.stairwaytohell.com/games/c/Codemasters-ProBoxingSimulator.html
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
See also	Complete BBC Micro Games Archive ID (P6292)

MotivationEdit

Stairway To Hell (Q80700184) is a database of games published on the BBC Micro (Q749976) and Acorn Electron (Q342163). Some usage on English Wikipedia. The ID system is a bit unpreditable, hence using the URL datatype. There can be more than one entry for one of our Q7889 items. Jean-Fred (talk) 19:45, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

DiscussionEdit

Support David (talk) 05:18, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
You can have it as an identifier matching everything after /games/. We did something similar for TvTropes. Circeus (talk) 17:16, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
@Circeus: That’s true. The difference I see is that there was 'some kind of logic' in the TvTropes namespacing. Here it’s really just whatever weird file path they happen to use on their server, ie… an URL :-) But I can change it to IDs if there is consensus for it. Jean-Fred (talk) 09:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Support--Cwf97 (talk) 16:44, 29 May 2020 (EST)

Flanders Architecture Institute - Archive IDEdit

Under discussion

Data type	External identifier
Example 1	BE/653717/0006-PS
Example 2	BE/653717/0006-PS/0188
Example 3	BE/653717/0006-PS/0189
Example 4	BE/653717/0016-ENG

MotivationEdit

The Flanders Architecture Institute bases in Antwerp manages a collection of archives, models, photos and drawings that documents the history of building and designing in the Flanders region and Brussels. More information about the contents of this collection can be retrieved at https://www.vai.be/en/about-vai-collection

Starting from 2019 we give access to this collection with the website collectie.vai.be We want to optimize the retrievability and usability of our collection by publishing the archive and objectdata on Wikidata and sharing our public domain images om Mediawiki Commons. With this operation, we want to enrich the data about architects and designers in Wikidata and provide useful links to archival material and building information, such as the information that for example has been uploaded by the Flemish organization of Immovable Heritage. ~~~~ – The preceding unsigned comment was added by WimLo (talk • contribs) at 27 November 2019‎ (UTC).

DiscussionEdit

Comment transcluded it today. --- Jura 16:21, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
interesting, but we need the url formatter and example links --Hannolans (talk) 22:16, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
@WimLo: could you provide example links and a link formatter? For example Paul and Jan Smekens (Q82734428) -> 0006-PS (example) and https://collectie.vai.be/archive/$1 (url formatter). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

The Cutting Room Floor IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier in The Cutting Room Floor wiki
Represents	The Cutting Room Floor (Q55635148)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Example 1	Roger Clemens' MVP Baseball (Q3438819) → Roger_Clemens'_MVP_Baseball_(SNES), Roger_Clemens%27_MVP_Baseball_(Genesis)
Example 2	Hover! (Q1364881) → Hover!_(1995)
Example 3	Final Fantasy VII (Q214232) → Final_Fantasy_VII
Example 4	Resident Evil 1.5 (Q10359825) → Proto:Resident_Evil_2_(PlayStation)/November_5,_1996_Prototype
Example 5	Tetris (Q3519191) → Tetris_(Game_Boy)
Example 6	Tetris (Nintendo Entertainment System) (Q67387683) → Tetris_(Nintendo,_NES)
Example 7	Tetris (Q4050885) → Tetris_(Tengen,_NES), Tetris_(Vs._System)
Source	https://tcrf.net/Special:AllPages
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	15,416
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://tcrf.net/$1

MotivationEdit

The Cutting Room Floor (Q55635148) is a wiki dedicated to content cut from video games − with current 15K+ articles. Quite some usage on English Wikipedia. Their data-model is per-platform-realization, hence one of our Q7889 entry may map to more than one entry.

It also has a Proto: namespace for prototypes, probably not notable here in general (with the occasional exception, see example 5). Being a MediaWiki website, it also has a category system so we could also link Final Fantasy (Q12391356) → Category:Final Fantasy series or Category:GameCube games (Q8789750) → Category:GameCube_games)

(Originally suggested by User:Misc on Wikidata talk:WikiProject Video games). Jean-Fred (talk) 14:18, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

DiscussionEdit

If you want it as an external identifier, maybe we should have separate items for the versions of the games on different game systems, as they have different ID's here? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:20, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

@ArthurPSmith: Thanks for your comment! That situation is not uncommon, many external videogame IDs link to games-as-platform-realization rather than games-as-work − eg GameFAQs game ID (P4769), Metacritic ID (P1712), UVL game ID (P7555), OpenRetro Game Database ID (P7683), TheGamesDB game ID (P7622), OGDB game title ID (P7564)….

Adopting a more complex data-model, with potentially items for each platform-realization, is something some editors are thinking about very seriously, and we may end up doing that… But deciding on that will need a wide discussion, that has not quite started yet. So, personnally, I would agree (and part of my master-plan is to piggy-back on identifiers such as this one to do it), but we may or may not end up doing it. Jean-Fred (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Indonesian Intangible Cultural Heritage's registration numberEdit

Under discussion

Description	The registration number of intangible cultural heritage (Q59544) in Indonesia (Q252)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	d{10}
Example 1	Saman (Q2367252) → 2010000001
Example 2	angklung (Q540049) → 2010000012
Example 3	Pendet (Q3034630) → 2010000639
Example 4	bambu gila (Q17998767) → 2010000067
Source	https://warisanbudaya.kemdikbud.go.id/?pencatatan
Planned use	I want to import data from this website.
Number of IDs in source	9493
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886), they will update the data regularly

MotivationEdit

I want to add the dataset from the list of the intangible cultural heritage of Indonesia in Wikidata Beeyan (talk) 05:42, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --Gerwoman (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
The registration number (Nomor. Registrasi) is not identical with external URL id, see here [1] Germartin1 (talk) 08:26, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Germartin1: yes, the registration number is a combination of the registered year and following by its sequence number, the external URL id is only using sequence number. Beeyan (talk) 04:31, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Support. ··· 🌸 Rachmat04 · ☕ 07:05, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Support It would be great if a formatter URL could be derived from the regularity mentioned above: It seems like it could be https://warisanbudaya.kemdikbud.go.id/?newdetail&detailCatat= plus the last 6 digits of the ID (e.g., https://warisanbudaya.kemdikbud.go.id/?newdetail&detailCatat=000001 for the first example above). Jneubert (talk) 11:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

TrueAchievements game IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a video game in the TrueAchievements database
Represents	TrueAchievements (Q7847301)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Allowed values	\w[-\w]*(?:dlc/[-\w]+)?
Example 1	Observer (Q25340021) → observer
Example 2	BioShock 2 (Q302839) → BioShock-2
Example 3	BioShock 2: Minerva's Den (Q24806656) → BioShock-2/dlc/Minervas-Den
Example 4	Zone of the Enders HD Collection (Q40889213) → Zone-of-the-Enders-HD-Collection
Example 5	Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (Q717600) → Metal-Gear-Solid-V-The-Phantom-Pain, Metal-Gear-Solid-V-The-Phantom-Pain-Xbox-360
Source	https://www.trueachievements.com/games.aspx
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	6300+
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.trueachievements.com/game/$1

MotivationEdit

TrueAchievements (Q7847301) is a database of video game (Q7889), mostly published on Xbox (but also Windows). It also has downloadable content (Q1066707) − I don’t think they warrant their own property though, so I integrate them here (we currently consider DLCs a subclass of video games). A little usage on English Wikipedia. The data model is per platform-realization, so there may be more than one entry for our Q7889 items. Jean-Fred (talk) 18:23, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

DiscussionEdit

Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Support Jc86035 (talk) 08:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment Aaarg, realised there is a numerical ID system which does resolves, eg Observer (Q25340021) → 6599. However, it does not work for DLCs. Meanwhile, there is a parallel ID system “Product ID”, which has a wider scope (also includes bundles), but does work for both games and DLCs (eg 27037)… Not too sure how best to proceed... Jean-Fred (talk) 12:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@Jean-Frédéric: My suggestion would be to edit this property proposal to be for the numeric game ID and then create another for the numeric product ID. Jc86035 (talk) 11:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

PARADISEC CatalogEdit

Under discussion

Description	PARADISEC (the Pacific And Regional Archive for Digital Sources in Endangered Cultures) offers a facility for digital conservation and access to endangered materials from all over the world
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	North Ambrym (Q2842468) → MP1
Example 2	Bislama (Q35452) and Makura (Q3335410) → DLGP1
Example 3	Kilivila (Q3196601) → JL1
Source	https://catalog.paradisec.org.au/collections/search?page=1&per_page=430
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Link to all the items in their catalogue, could be used in templates for Wikipedia articles for languages or as a reference
Number of IDs in source	320 (being added to over time)
Formatter URL	https://catalog.paradisec.org.au/collections/$1

MotivationEdit

The database is a collaborative effort to make data on languages and cultures more accessible, especially in the Pacific.

John Cummings (talk) 19:32, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Oppose (for now) Proposal template is incomplete. Jay D. Easy (talk) 00:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Comment I'm not sure exactly how to model this, these are resources about the languages but not necessarily one language per link and maybe multiple links per language. --John Cummings (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Comment I recommend creating an item for each resource (as a work in itself - if not already in Wikidata); then this would make a basic external ID for these resources. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Support Looks like a very useful resource, so the suggestion of ArthurPSmith makes a lot of sense. Perhaps, values for Domain and RegEx could be added to the proposal. Jneubert (talk) 11:17, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Support --Gerwoman (talk) 15:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

CNGB Project IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	China National Gene Bank Project ID
Represents	Wikidata property related to biology (Q22988603)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	CNP(his)?\d{7}
Example 1	SARS-CoV-2 (Q82069695)→CNP0000881
Example 2	The 3000 Rice Genomes Project Oryza sativa (Q161426)→CNPhis0000101
Example 3	MISSING
Planned use
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://db.cngb.org/search/project/$1/

MotivationEdit

Because I don't understand English, biology, and regular expressions, some information may be incorrect.-- 舞月書生 👉☎️👈∮Active at zh.wikipedia. 05:44, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support This is a good start! I'm sure others with more biomedical expertise can improve this better than I can. Mahir256 (talk) 06:26, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Support --Trade (talk) 23:00, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Weak oppose (for now) @舞月書生: While I think the property is great, I think the examples and proposal needs improving. I was looking for properties to create but as it stands I don't feel this one is quite ready for that. The one valid example seems to conflate a project 2019-nCoV-Project with a specific virus SARS-CoV-2 (Q82069695). The project should have a separate distinct Wikidata item. If there is no cases where this property would actually be a valid identifier we should probably not create it. @Mahir256, Trade, ArthurPSmith: FYA Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
- Iwan.AucampI revoked my application because the found I found that I might have built a wrong contact.I will try to find more professional advice before re-applying.@Mahir256, Trade, ArthurPSmith:--舞月書生 👉☎️👈∮Active at zh.wikipedia. 06:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

RAL IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	RAL ID from the RAL Classic color system
Data type	External identifier
Domain	property
Allowed values	RAL\d{4}
Example 1	RAL 1001 (Q35793728) → RAL 1001
Example 2	RAL 2002 (Q13358072) → RAL 2002
Example 3	RAL 3009 (Q35802922) → RAL 3009
Example 4	RAL 4005 (Q35806720) → RAL 4005
Source	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RAL_colors
Number of IDs in source	~243
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)

MotivationEdit

Rename all RAL colors and possibly merge them with other color entities without loosing information. This could then also possibly be used as a quantifier for sRGB color hex triplet (P465) to determine which of the given HEX codes matches the RAL color. I'm not sure about merging some items, in general I would like to gather some input on this topic. First step is do have the property :) --DaSch (talk) 19:46, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment I don't understand your proposal. The value of the property is the (English) label? Is there a formatter URL? How is this an identifier? Couldn't you just use name (P2561) or official name (P1448) for this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
- Well it's like a cataloge for colors that also have a name. Currently they are all put into the Q as an alias. So the actucal name of the color should be used as the label and the identifier. Sadly there is no URL formatter as there are no distinct pages for every color available. They are all on one URL: https://www.ral-farben.de/inhalt/anwendung-hilfe/alle-ral-farbnamen/uebersicht-ral-classic-farben.html --DaSch (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Support, but I think you should do a proposal for RAL ID, and other for RAL name. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Gry-Online game IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a video game in the Gry-Online database
Represents	Gry Online (Q55613038)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Crash Time 4: The Syndicate (Q2636956) → 1
Example 2	Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (Q2291549) → 10
Example 3	BioShock 2: Minerva's Den (Q24806656) → 1424
Example 4	StarCraft: Brood War (Q840409) → 6680
Example 5	Ministry of Broadcast (Q84165734) → 22901
Source	https://www.gry-online.pl/gry/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	22942
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.gry-online.pl/gra.asp?ID=$1 ; https://gamepressure.com/game.asp?ID=$1

MotivationEdit

Gry Online (Q55613038) is a Polish website and online database of ~30K video games. It has two websites: the Polish gry-online.pl, and the English gamepressure.com − the ID system is shared between the two (hence two formatter URL). Significant usage on the Polish Wikipedia (with gry-online), quite some on English Wikipedia and a couple of others. Jean-Fred (talk) 20:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

DiscussionEdit

Support It need title in the url otherwise it linking to the most interesting materials instead of game page. See Eurohunter (talk) 21:35, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Support Like Eurohunter wrote - it should be string datatype. Sir Lothar (talk) 13:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
If the proposal is already in “Ready”, please change-it back to not ready if you are going to make significant changes to the proposal.

I disagree, because crash-time-iv-the-syndicate/z11 is clearly not an Identifier but a slug (which have a habit to not be very stable). The numeric IDs are likely to be way more stable. If it’s just a formatter URL ; then let’s use the gamepressure one which resolves cleanly to the “more interesting material”. (see eg https://gamepressure.com/game.asp?ID=1) Jean-Fred (talk) 17:13, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I think using gamepressure.com would be OK, as they didn't change formatter and still use numeric ID. Sir Lothar (talk) 10:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
@Eurohunter, Sir Lothar: That's very uncool to radically change a proposed identifier like that without even pinging the proposer. I agree with Jean-Fred, if this is an ID then a numeric ID is much preferable. I ~~Oppose~~ (struck since this was changed back again, thanks) the current modified version of this proposal. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith, Jean-Frédéric: Sorry, I thought that if the discussion is still going on, then user can modify proposal (like "Be bold" on Wikipedia). My mistake - I'll remember that next time. I still think that it's better to send reader to the main site of entity (like [2]), rather than to side materials. Sir Lothar (talk) 15:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

applies if regular expression matches idEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	the statement is only true, if the id matches this regex
Data type	String
Domain	property
Allowed values	valid regular expression with at least one capture group
Example 1	Fandom article ID (P6262) formatter URL (P1630) → `https://$2.fandom.com/$1/wiki/$3` `if regex` → `([\w]+).([\w-]+):([^\s])`
Example 2	Fandom article ID (P6262) formatter URL (P1630) → `https://$1.fandom.com/wiki/$2` `if regex` → `([\w-]+):([^\s])`
Example 3	Fandom article ID (P6262) https://www.fandom.com/index.php?title=w:c:$1 `if regex` → no value object has role (P3831) → fallback
Example 4	Gamepedia article ID (P6623) formatter URL (P1630) → `https://$1.gamepedia.com/$2` `if regex` → `([\w-]+):([^\s])`
Example 5	Gamepedia article ID (P6623) formatter URL (P1630) → `https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-externalid-url/?p=6623&id=$1` `if regex` → no value object has role (P3831) → fallback

MotivationEdit

Fandom article ID (P6262) and Gamepedia article ID (P6623) use a third party services to resolve ids to urls. but i think it could be done entirely on wikidata, if it was possible to pass multiple variables to the formatter URL (P1630). This is a proposal to do that.

We'd need a qualifier holding a regular expression.

the regex will be used to determine which formatter url shall be used. therefore it must not match if the supplied id does not hold the required number of variables.
the regex will also be used to extract the variables from the id to the formatter url.
as a fallback an external resolver may be used if no regex matches the id. this fallback should be highlighted somehow. For this proposal I chose no value. formatter urls that match the regular expression must be preferred.

--Shisma (talk) 21:00, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Do you intend to engage the Wikidata developers so this can be supported in the UI, or how otherwise would you envision this to be actually used? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@Shisma: Also maybe relevant - see Phabricator Task T150939

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T150939

ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Support --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 19:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Support Germartin1 (talk) 13:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

TaDiRAH IDEdit

On hold

Description	A property to link Wikidata items to the concepts of the Taxonomy of Digital Research Activities in the Humanities (TaDiRAH)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d{0,3}
Example 1	brainstorming (Q191183) → 94
Example 2	digital humanities (Q1026962) → 61
Example 3	georeferencing (Q772007) → 106
Example 4	writing (Q37260) → 20
Source	https://github.com/dhtaxonomy/TaDiRAH (source and documentation) and http://tadirah.dariah.eu/vocab/index.php (ID numbers)
Planned use	Provide a mapping from TaDiRAH to Wikidata items, while also profiting from other already present mappings to other controlled vocabularies.
Number of IDs in source	121
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	http://tadirah.dariah.eu/vocab/index.php?tema=$1
See also	Getty AAT ID (P1014); any property with IDs for topics, such as JSTOR topic ID (P3827)

MotivationEdit

TaDiRAH is a taxonomy containing terms to describe digital research activities in the humanities. It was developed with the aim to structure information relevant to digital humanities, thus enhancing discoverability of any tools, methods, projects, or publications related to digital humanities research. Example projects using TaDiRAH concepts are the DH Course Registry, Doing Digital Humanities - A DARIAH Bibliography, and the Standardisation Survival Kit by PARTHENOS.

Including the TaDiRAH ID in Wikidata would allow to profit from other already present mappings and also help in e.g. finding relevant publications included in Wikidata. On the other hand the usefulness of TaDiRAH itself would be increased. Mtrognitz (talk) 09:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:19, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Support 轻语者 (talk) 08:56, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Support Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 07:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Support --Trade (talk) 13:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Support --Jneubert (talk) 17:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh, wow this did go quicker than I expected! Thank you for your support. However, I am not creating the property right away, because yesterday I came to know, that TaDiRAH is going to change host (here is a blog post in German about it: https://dhd-blog.org/?p=13108). This will affect the formatter URL (it will be something like this: https://vocabs.dariah.eu/tadirah) and very likely also the identifying part for each concept won't stay the same. I'll keep an eye on the development and will update the 'allowed values' and 'formatter URL' respectively. Mtrognitz (talk) 16:07, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

It's been about a month, any SITREP? We can always create and update the URL format later, as long as the $1 doesn't change. (Given the backlogs in the WD:PP/Authority control, I think we'd rather reduce the number of pages transcluded in that page. — regards, Revi 12:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I got into contact. They are still working on the publication with the new host. And from what I gather everything seems to indicate a change of $1, which is why I would prefer to wait. Especially given that they are also planning on turning off the current host. Mtrognitz (talk) 09:56, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Social Blade YouTube channel IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an YouTube channel from Social Blade site
Represents	Social Blade (Q56317652)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Basshunter (Q383541) → basshunter
Example 2	Stromae (Q313453) → dapastudio
Example 3	Sean Paul (Q200577) → allseanpaul
Source	https://socialblade.com
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Putting value to YouTube channels from the Social Blade site.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/$1
See also	Album of the Year artist ID (P7050)

MotivationEdit

Property for YouTube channels included in Social Blade. Eurohunter (talk) 22:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment There are thousands of websites like this for various social networks such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and etc. What exactly makes this one special? --Trade (talk) 22:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Oppose per Trade. There are better things to do when sitting in Ventrilo, like playing Q215936. Mahir256 (talk) 02:46, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Trade: @Mahir256: I proposed this because it has item in Wikidata and was described in 6 languages at Wikipedia which I can't tell about "thousands of websites like this for various social networks". It's like SimilarWeb. Eurohunter (talk) 19:32, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
  - @Trade: @Mahir256: Any questions? Eurohunter (talk) 08:04, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Curran Index Periodical IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	Identifier for periodicals from which articles are indexed in the Curran Index
Data type	External identifier
Domain	periodical (Q1002697)
Allowed values	positive integers
Example 1	The Metropolitan Magazine (Q7751208) → 2
Example 2	Once a Week (Q7091757) → 41
Example 3	Athenaeum (Q755237) → 52
Example 4	Bijou (Q88284885) → 47
Source	http://curranindex.org/
Planned use	Add to magazines that already have items
Number of IDs in source	53 but expanding
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://curranindex.org/articles?search%5Bperiodical%5D%5B%5D=$1
See also	Curran Index Contributor ID

MotivationEdit

Maybe not as useful as some identifiers, but still, for completeness's sake there should be properties for both of the Curran Index's ID types (I already proposed the contributor IDs). The URL pulls up a page with a description of the magazine, an indication of what exactly is indexed, and a list of the indexed articles from it. Levana Taylor (talk) 00:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 12:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Oppose. I've just created Curran Index contributor ID (P8085), so I'm not against using this website. But here we don't have enough IDs, honestly. Use described at URL (P973). Thierry Caro (talk) 03:10, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment @Levana Taylor, Thierry Caro: I would suggest using exact match (P2888) instead of described at URL (P973). Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 20:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

TED speaker numeric IDEdit

Under discussion

Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), group of humans (Q16334295)
Allowed values	\d+
Example 1	Julian Assange (Q360) → 779
Example 2	Rokia Traoré (Q256065) → 166
Example 3	Emmanuel Jal (Q1338331) → 492
Source	https://www.ted.com/speakers
Number of IDs in source	More than 2000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.ted.com/speakers/$1
See also	TED speaker ID (P2611)

MotivationEdit

Like Twitter (Q918), TED (Q23054661) has two types of IDs: names (strings) and numeric IDs. TED speaker ID (P2611) accepts both types, and consequently it has hundreds of "single value" violations. It would be better to follow the example of Twitter username (P2002) and Twitter user numeric ID (P6552), and treat numeric IDs as a separate property that can be attached to TED speaker ID (P2611) as a qualifier.

If the name TED speaker numeric ID is too confusing or ambiguous, one alternative is TED speaker ID (numeric). —Ringbang (talk) 03:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment Do these string identifiers for persons change? If they don't, why isn't one identifier enough? Germartin1 (talk) 09:23, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Weak oppose I don't think a second identifier is needed. It should be decided which identifier is preferable (numeric or string) and this should be used for the existing property. The Twitter properties are detrimental to this proposal as a comparison in my opinion because Twitter data is more of a mess than it needs to be thanks to the existence of two separate properties. The reason Twitter even has two is because usernames are not stable and the numeric ID (the true account identifier) is - but was sadly created after the former. --SilentSpike (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I've asked Jane023 (talk • contribs • logs) and Pigsonthewing (talk • contribs • logs) to comment, as they are/were the Wikipedians in residence at TED. —Ringbang (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Well I would tend to agree that a second property is not needed. After all, you only have a few thousand ids anyway, so periodically clearing out the numeric ids should be fairly easy. The comparison to Twitter is absurd, since the scale of the two websites are nowhere near the same in scale. Jane023 (talk) 16:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Oppose A single property is sufficient. We can decide whether we want to allow both string and numeric or pick one and remove the other, but a new property is not the answer. Daask (talk) 20:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

FactGrid property IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a property in FactGrid
Represents	FactGrid (Q90405608)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	instance of (P31) → P2
Example 2	VD 18 ID (P6135) → P370
Example 3	sex or gender (P21) → P154
Source	https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Main_Page
Planned use	Syncing through collaboration
Formatter URL	https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:$1

MotivationEdit

See Wikidata:Property proposal/FactGrid item ID#Motivation --Adam Harangozó (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Comment I believe there is a plan to allow wikibases to directly query Wikidata properties in the near future, not quite sure how this relates, have you looked into this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Not yet but I will now, thank you! Adam Harangozó (talk) 14:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

It came up in the recent Wikidata office hours on telegram, I'm not sure it's been documented elsewhere. Here's the relevant quote that I caught:

"We started working on Federated Properties: this MVP will make it possible to configure your new Wikibase to remotely access Wikidata’s properties to make local statements, instead of creating your own properties from scratch. Any updates the community makes to Wikidata properties will be reflected automatically in Wikibases with this feature enabled! As an MVP, this is a minimal version of what will eventually be a full-fledged feature We will use it to learn as much as we can about federation between wikibases, and between wikibases and Wikidata!"

ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Goodreads work IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	This is a unique identifier for written works (Q47461344) on Goodreads. This property should not be confused with Goodreads book ID, which is a unique identifier for versions, editions, or translations (Q3331189). For any one written work like War and Peace there should be only one Goodreads work ID but there may be multiple Goodreads book IDs. You can get this value from the "all editions" link on a Goodreads book page.
Represents	Goodreads (Q2359213)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	literary work (Q7725634)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	The Art of Electronics (Q3985697) → 556821 ( Goodreads book ID (P2969) 556821 resolves to an edition of "History and the Idea of Progress", which has a Goodreads work ID of 5020760)
Example 2	War and Peace (Q161531) → 4912783 ( Goodreads book ID (P2969) 4912783 resolves to an edition of "Robotics in Alpe-Adria Region: Proceedings of the 2nd International Workshop (Raa '93), June 1993, Krems, Austria", which has a Goodreads work ID of 4978325)
Example 3	The Forever War (Q5406934) → 423 ( Goodreads book ID (P2969) 423 resolves to an edition of "Where I Was From", which has a Goodreads work ID of 1371028)
Example 4	Demian (Q860577) → 5334697 ( Goodreads book ID (P2969) 5334697 resolves to an edition of "Tell Me What to Eat If I Have Type II Diabetes", which has a Goodreads work ID of 5402183)
Source	https://www.goodreads.com/
Planned use	I want to use this when enhancing literary work (Q7725634) items. No exact plan for automated use at the moment. This could eventually be used to link different ISBNs to a single Item.
Number of IDs in source	More than 5000000, less than 6000000.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/$1
See also	OCLC work ID (P5331), OCLC control number (P243), LibraryThing work ID (P1085), Open Library ID (P648), Goodreads book ID (P2969)

MotivationEdit

I think more identifiers for literary work (Q7725634) will be useful, and this one seems decent. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 11:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Books

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control

DiscussionEdit

Oppose - there is already Goodreads book ID (P2969) and it is not clear to me how the creation of this property would offer anything extra. This new property would be linking to a page that links to, and is linked from, the location of Goodreads book ID (P2969). For example, The Art of Electronics (Q3985697) → Goodreads book ID (P2969) → 569775 links to the proposed Goodreads work ID 556821, which has a reciprocal link. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 16:56, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sic19:: Goodreads book ID (P2969) is an identifier for ?item instance of (P31) version, edition, or translation (Q3331189) where as Goodreads work ID would be a identifier for ?item instance of (P31) written work (Q47461344). This is similar to the distinction between OCLC work ID (P5331) and OCLC control number (P243). Yes OCLC work ID (P5331) will link back to the same value that is in OCLC control number (P243), but these belong on different Wikidata items (if they exist). This will also facilitate the lookup of a Wikidata item relating to a work from ISBN even if the ISBN is not registered in wikipedia as you can lookup the ISBN on another service and link it back to an identifier that is on wikidata (the same can be done with Open Library ID (P648) as there are IDs there for works and editions and with OCLC work ID (P5331) and OCLC control number (P243)). The alternative would be to create 1,683 items with edition or translation of (P629) War and Peace (Q161531) and add Goodreads book ID (P2969) and ISBN-13 (P212) on each individual item. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Iwan.Aucamp:, the type constraints for Goodreads book ID (P2969) are instance of written work (Q47461344) or version, edition, or translation (Q3331189), so there would be overlap between the properties. I agree with everything else you've said and will withdraw my opposition (and most likely support) the proposed property if it is updated to clearly explain the relationship to Goodreads book ID (P2969) and how the usage differs. It also seems reasonable that there is agreement about the necessary changes to Goodreads book ID (P2969) before the new property is created. Fundamentally, the new property will be useful but, for me, it is sensible to spend a little extra time now getting the details right instead of fixing problems later. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 20:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sic19: There are already overlap between identifiers for written works and identifiers for editions. Both OCLC control number (P243) and ISBN-13 (P212) (which are identifiers for editions and not works) are allowed and used on both written work (Q47461344) and version, edition, or translation (Q3331189) and I don't really have a serious problem with it, I think the semantics and usage instructions could be made clearer for both OCLC control number (P243) and ISBN-13 (P212) but it is not that unclear. To me it is clear that if a written work has ISBN-13 (P212) it that it is an identifier of an edition of said written work. And it is also clear to me that if there is an Q-item for that specific edition then the ISBN-13 (P212) belongs there instead of on the written work. It is also clear that when ISBN-13 (P212) is used on an edition it should be with qualifier.

I have created a discussion section for Goodreads book ID (P2969) here where I have raised some inconsistency with the property and suggested we clarify the use a bit through documentation. If you have any other problems with it you should raise it otherwise please provide feedback on the proposal.

I have expanded the description of this property and hope it is clear enough now. I want to avoid documenting other properties or the ontology used for written works and editions in this property - that should be and is documented on WikiProject books. The Domain of this property has been literary work (Q7725634) from the start - which already actually makes it pretty clear. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 22:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Support Note that I'm not a books specialist. Still I've done a bit of research and here's what I found:

The Goodreads work ID (https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/$1) is different from the book ID ( https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/$1). Both seem to be very different concept. For instance Free as in Freedom "edition" contains the same text in different format, and possibly translated in many languages, whereas Free as in Freedom(2.0) has, in addition to the same base text, many comments from the person that is subject of the biography were added. The additional comments takes a significant part of the book (more than 10% if my memory is correct, maybe 20% or 30%).
Having more identifier is a good thing as it helps better understand what constitute a work and what constitute an edition. External identifiers may not map exactly to Wikidata definition of edition and work. Even if both had exactly the same definition, mistakes could occur in both data sets, and having more identifiers helps spotting these. It's also probably impossible to have definitions that can clearly distinguish between different things and there is often some grey area between things: As I understand from the Functional_Requirements_for_Bibliographic_Records Wikipedia page, there is no crystal clear boundary to distinguish if two expressions are from the same work or from a different work that is inspired from the first one. Collective works that are done in an acentralized fashion like stories that are told between people and generations but not written down (yet) and drift from each other in different places are probably hard to characterize. For instance, as I understand the Commedia dell'arte "work" was a story that was told accros people and generations Commedia_dell'arte which was then written down by Carlo Goldoni.
However the description of the properties should be crystal clear on both goodreads work ID and goodreads book ID on which is which in order not to have people confuse both. As the URL are different there may also be ways to check for mistakes if someone uses a book ID instead of a work ID and vice versa.

GNUtoo (talk) 15:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@GNUtoo: Please see the reply to Simon Cobb. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 22:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Comment How do we determine whether a specific identifier is for a work, an edition, or something else? --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:19, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: in this case it is stated in the domain. The domain in this proposal is and has always been literary work (Q7725634). I guess part of the issue is that for Goodreads book ID (P2969) there is a lack of clarity, but to be fair, the same lack of clarity exists for ISBN-13 (P212) and OCLC control number (P243). I have suggested the documentation be updated for Goodreads book ID (P2969) (proposal here, no responses) to clarify this though but maybe another property to represent the domain independently of the constraints is needed. Again though, this property is perfectly clear on the matter, I don't mind fixing other properties but other properties will always be broken and new properties are created in the face of that reality all the time. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- That doesn't answer the question I asked. I did not ask whether this property was for a work, an edition, or something else. What I asked was how we distinguish the identifier value inserted into this property as being a for a work, an edition, or something else. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
  - @EncycloPetey: from just the value itself you cannot determine whether it is for a work, edition ("book"), character, author or series. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 16:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
    - Since there is no way to make the determination, why create a separate property? --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
      - @EncycloPetey: Because it identifies something different? If I have a number, say 3000, and no other information, how do I know whether it is a OCLC work ID (P5331), LibraryThing work ID (P1085), OCLC control number (P243) or RfC ID (P892)? I don't, but we still have different properties because they are different identifiers. If I put a RFC ID in OCLC work ID (P5331) then it will just be wrong and resolve to the wrong thing. Their are different identifier spaces, not any single one claims to be a UUID. And neither this proposal nor Goodreads book ID (P2969) is a UUID. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
      - I don't actually understand why that even matters, if you just have a bunch of numbers with no other information, why would you use them for anything? Just discard them. Actual use cases, like scraping would involve you getting the identifer from a place where it is clear what it identifies, like if I got the identifier from an RFC page, I would not put it in Goodreads book ID (P2969) even though there is no way for me to tell, from the value alone whether it is a RFC ID or a Goodreads book ID (P2969). The exact same thing applies here, if you got the identifier from a work page or link on Goodreads, why would you be confused as to whether or not it identifies a work? Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 18:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
      - By this standard almost all identifiers should be deprecated and we will be left more or less just with URI based identifiers. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 18:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
        I asked if there was any way to tell them apart, and you said no. Most other identifiers have the means to distinguish works from editions. Those that do not have led to serious problems. Because there is no means of distinguishing them, there is no reason to have two properties. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
        So did OCLC work ID (P5331) and OCLC control number (P243) lead to serious problems? And if so could you elaborate on what they were? Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
        
        The only identifier that I am aware of that encodes this information in the identifier value itself is Open Library ID (P648). Are there others? To me it seems most identifiers don't encode this in the identifier. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 12:34, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - there is already Goodreads book ID (P2969), and there is no means to distinguish a work from an edition,there is no reason to have two properties. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: If you put the edition identifier as a book identifier it will just be wrong. For example, if you take the Bookreads work identifier for The Art of Electronics (Q3985697) which is 556821 (clearly stated in the proposal), and resolve it using the Goodreads book ID (P2969) formatter URL (P1630) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/$1 (instead of the formatter url which is in the proposal) - it will resolve to an edition of "History and the Idea of Progress" with ISBN-13 of "9780801481826". If your reasoning here is valid then why is OCLC work ID (P5331) and OCLC control number (P243) both justified? Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it would be wrong, but the discussion above has established that we have no means of making that distinction. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: I really don't get your objection. Say I give you a value 24041 and ask you is it a Tidal artist ID (P4576), Tropicos publication ID (P4904), C-SPAN organization ID (P4725), Gamebase64 identifier (P4917), Goodreads author ID (P2963), Goodreads character ID (P6327) or a Goodreads character ID (P6327)? What would your answer be? I mean the right answer is that it is a valid value for all of those identifiers, but since they are not the same identifier we have different properties for them instead of suggesting someone put values for Tidal artist ID (P4576) inside Goodreads character ID (P6327). Can you answer why you don't have similar objections to OCLC work ID (P5331) and OCLC control number (P243)? Unless of course you do have similar objections, in which case I would be grateful if you could raise them on whichever of those you want deprecated to help clarify what the problem is. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't understand what you're asking or how it applies to the current issue. OCLC (WorldCat) is a total mess. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but it seems like you have some hangup to create properties that have positive integer values as there is no way to look at a positive integer value and decide what it identifies. If so, do you mind proposing this rule in for all properties? And if you do mind, or do not think the rule should apply in to all properties, then why do you want to enforce this rule here?

You asked "how we distinguish the identifier value inserted into this property as being a for a work, an edition, or something else.". I said that we cannot distinguish, the value is a positive integer without distinguishing features on it, the same as the value for Tidal artist ID (P4576), Tropicos publication ID (P4904), C-SPAN organization ID (P4725), Gamebase64 identifier (P4917), Goodreads author ID (P2963), Goodreads character ID (P6327) or a Goodreads character ID (P6327) (and 100s of other properties). Yet we still manage to use them correctly, because we know they are not the same identifiers. When I get a value for C-SPAN organization ID (P4725) from somewhere my process of adding it wikidata is not to find any external identifier property that can take an positive integer and add it there and seize up if there is more than one such property. My process is to add it to the property that is intended for C-SPAN organization ID (P4725).

Failure to do so is not a reason to not have a property for C-SPAN organization ID (P4725) either in my view, in such a case someone should take it up with the editor adding incorrect values, but with enough authority control and automation we can also very easily check things, we can check the structure against Goodreads, and OCLC, and other databases to see if there are discrepancies. So what I'm asking is, why do you expect that there should be something about a value for a numeric identifier, that is generated as sequential positive integers, and associated with works, to distinguish it from a value for a numeric identifier, that is generated as sequential positive integers, associated with editions?

What is the use case we are trying to satisfy here? You just have a bunch of positive integers and you want to put it somewhere on wikidata? For that you can maybe do a query of all external identifiers that accept positive integers, get their formatter URLs, lookup their metadata on the external database, match it to wikidata and then if the metadata matches add the identifier to the item. So even this quite quirky use case could be covered without having something in the value itself which distinguishes it.

You keep saying OCLC is a mess, please be more specific here. Some parts of WikiData is a mess, yet we don't stop editing it because of this, we work to make it better, cleaning up the mess. We describe what we think is wrong and try and get consensus on how to address it. Is the mess with OCLC that people mix up OCLC work ID (P5331) and OCLC control number (P243)? Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 11:12, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Within the OCLC database, they do not always distinguish between works, editions, and instances. That makes it a mess. A data item might be for one of those things or simultaneously two or more of those, and each work / edition might have multiple values. Hence, it is a mess. There are values in their database that cannot be aligned with our database or with any library database because of the sloppiness in the values within their database. I still don't understand how the rest of your comments apply here. When you say "Goodreads character ID (P6327) or a Goodreads character ID (P6327)", those are the same thing, and most of the items you mention have no bearing on distinguishing works from editions because they are not works or editions. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Support - Definitely. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 04:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Philadelphia Museum of Art person IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	Identifier for a person or organization assigned by the Philadelphia Museum of Art
Represents	Philadelphia Museum of Art
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human or organization related to the collections of the Philadelphia Museum of Art
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Marcel Duchamp → 15513
Example 2	Mary Cassatt → 15388
Example 3	Kara Walker → 14369
Planned use	Add PMA identifiers to existing items in WD for artists in the collection
Formatter URL	https://www.philamuseum.org/collections/results.html?searchTxt=&bSuggest=1&searchNameID=$1
See also	Philadelphia Museum of Art ID (P4643)

MotivationEdit

We would like to leverage and query the existing data in WD with artists in our collection. We've also been working to enhance and create WD records for around 200 African American artists such as Evangeline Montgomery and Margo Humphrey and would like to connect those records with our collection/data.

DiscussionEdit

This is my first time submitting a property proposal so please let me know if I've made any mistakes. Thank you in advance for your thoughts! – The preceding unsigned comment was added by M00nchild00 (talk • contribs) at 21:55, 4 May 2020‎ (UTC).

Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts.

Notified participants of WikiProject United States. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Support Infopetal (talk) 18:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
@M00nchild00: this just seems to be a deeplink to the search of the museum which doesn't really include any information about the artists. No artist information to link to? Multichill (talk) 18:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Multichill: Unfortunately, we don't have artist specific pages quite yet on our website. Will that be an issue? thanks! M00nchild00 (talk) 18:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
  - @M00nchild00: I hope that is on the list of future improvements! Anyway, probably a good addition for the painters linked from Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Collection/Philadelphia Museum of Art. Multichill (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
    - @Multichill: I agree! And will try to encourage that feature! M00nchild00 (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. Museum identifiers are great for documenting "has works in the collection" and supporting notablility of artists who may otherwise be lightly documented. - PKM (talk) 20:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Support I currently use the old catalogs available on archive.org for attribution changes vs. inventory ids, and it would make this work much easier by highlighting current attributions. Jane023 (talk) 07:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:54, 6 May 2020 (UTC).
Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. Wskent (talk) 16:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. bmidavaine (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC) (Taxonomist at PMA) This ID will be very useful in our linked data efforts as well as our person authority work
Support. PMAlibcat (talk) (Cataloger at PMA) We're currently using Wikidata to make our collection of African American art more visible. This ID would be invaluable in that project.
Support. Jonhoppe (talk) (Digital Asset Librarian at the PMA) This property will be incredibly useful for linking assets across systems and to other authority controls 20:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Support--Cwf97 (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2020 (EST)

ID natural monuments in Landkreis Oberspreewald-LausitzEdit

Done: ID natural monuments in Landkreis Oberspreewald-Lausitz (P8270) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for natural monuments in Landkreis Oberspreewald-Lausitz
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Natural monuments in Landkreis Oberspreewald-Lausitz
Allowed values	[0-9]{4}-[0-9]+
Example 1	Q93421780 → 0102-1
Example 2	Q93421779 → 0100-3
Example 3	Q93421754 → 0103-2
Source	http://www.osl-online.de/amtsblatt/index.php?ebene=496#gazette_9192
Planned use	transfer all natural monuments of Landkreis Oberspreewald-Lausitz to Wikidata and add the ID
Number of IDs in source	>100

MotivationEdit

all natural monuments in Landkreis Oberspreewald-Lausitz have a unique ID. I want to add this ID. Z thomas (talk) 06:47, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --GPSLeo (talk) 09:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Support Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 23:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment is there really a separate ID scheme for each Landkreis / this Landkreis? Or can this ID be formulated wider (e.g. for the whole federal state)? Herzi Pinki (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Herzi Pinki: indeed every Landkreis has a separate structure to create the id. for example de:Liste der Naturdenkmale in Friesack (different Landkreis same federal state) they use letters and digits. if you look at the natural monuments it's more confusing as with the cultural heritage monuments --Z thomas (talk) 08:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas: is the id used to link to individual descriptions (is there an url-formatter)? Does the url-formatter depend also in its url structure on the Landkreis, or only in the number/ID? Or is it just a string you want a tight syntax check for (still wrong numbers possible while matching syntax)? --Herzi Pinki (talk) 08:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Herzi Pinki: Germany isn't as good as Austria :-) you can't create an url. it's just a string to identify the natural monuments. have a look into the "Amtsblatt für den Landkreis Oberspreewald-Lausitz; Nr. 12/2007. 14. Dezember 2007. It looks digital but it is an analog paper turned into a pdf. You even can't search for words like "Stieleiche" :-( --Z thomas (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Z thomas, GPSLeo, Iwan.Aucamp, Herzi Pinki: ID natural monuments in Landkreis Oberspreewald-Lausitz (P8270) has been created. Pamputt (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pamputt: thanks for your assistance. greetings --Z thomas (talk) 13:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Bookogs book IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	a page in Bookogs database for describing a physical release of a book
Represents	<Bookogs (Q65553791)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	version, edition, or translation (Q3331189)
Allowed values	\d+
Example 1	list of Calvin and Hobbes books (Q429987) → https://books.discogs.com/book/419701
Example 2	Scum Culture (Q61113157) → https://books.discogs.com/book/548104
Example 3	Where the Crawdads Sing (Q65063529) → https://books.discogs.com/book/699878
Example 4	The Shadow of the Wind (Q52910) → https://books.discogs.com/book/511049
Format and edit filter validation	\d+
Source	books.discogs.com
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	about 150,000 and growing
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://books.discogs.com/book/$1
See also	Bookogs credit ID, Bookogs work ID (proposed)

MotivationEdit

For cases when an actual printed book or a magazine issue, with an ISBN, gets its hub on Wikidata, although (inlike in cases with Credit and Work) i don't think this is much needed and rather expect to see a hub for a written work included in the book. But i may be wrong. Maybe everyone will want to connect all issued books IDs to a novel, as i see actual ISBNs present in the Wikidata database right now and they relate to literary works (that may each be reissued with many different ISBNs). So i even failed to come up with a good example (also because the Bookogs database is far from being complete right now), like the example #3 says on Wikidata: ‘instance of book (Q571)’ but shouldn't it rather be changed to ‘instance of novel (Q8261)’? Maybe someone will know better what to do here, please discuss. — 188.123.231.0 15:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Books

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control

DiscussionEdit

~~Weak oppose~~ Neutral @188.123.231.0: While I support this in principle the proposal needs fixing. The domain is wrong and should be version, edition, or translation (Q3331189). The examples are also wrong - or at least not consistent, some cases you use it on edition, some on work, and the first example is linking a liste of books to a specific edition of a book. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 23:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, and indeed, that's because i'm not sure whether each physical edition of a book will have its own item in Wikidata or not (i'd rather think not), and i don't know how to find such books here it they are already present. Work ID is probably sufficient. — 188.123.231.26 09:10, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
  - I think the property is good to have, don't think we should remove it, I will find better examples a bit later and fix the proposal - I changed to neutral to not hold up if others vote for now. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

BaGLAMa GIDEdit

Done: BaGLAMa GID (P8272) (Talk and documentation)

Data type	External identifier
Domain	any Wikidata item for an organization with a BaGLAMa stats page
Allowed values	the GIDs are all in for form of an integer, currently all 3 or fewer digits (but presumably could expand)
Example 1	Archives New Zealand (Q4787285) → 413
Example 2	The Wallace Collection (Q1327919) → 131
Example 3	Sain (Records) Ltd (Q3396886) → 293
Source	https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/baglama2/
Number of IDs in source	several hundred, currently
Formatter URL	https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/baglama2/#gid=$1

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Cultural heritage

Notified participants of WikiProject sum of all paintings

BaGLAMa is the tool on wmflabs from Magnus Manske that provides page view statistics for (mostly) GLAMs that have done bulk uploads to Wikimedia Commons. This property would allow us to associate the statistics page with the corresponding institution's items. This could be useful for making lists and summaries for overall GLAM work on Wikimedia. Dominic (talk) 21:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support - Romaine (talk) 01:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dominic, Romaine: BaGLAMa GID (P8272) has been created. Pamputt (talk) 12:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Liszt Academy Lexikon person IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Represents	Franz Liszt Academy of Music (Q847099)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item, Q5
Allowed values	[1-9][0-9]{3}
Example 1	Károly Gianicelli (Q14836168) → 1827
Example 2	Franz Liszt (Q41309) → 1779
Example 3	Béla Bartók (Q83326) → 1861
Source	https://zeneakademia.hu/lexikon_nagy_elodok/
Mix'n'match	3581
Number of IDs in source	200
Expected completeness	100%
Formatter URL	https://zeneakademia.hu/lexikon_nagy_elodok/lexikon-$1

MotivationEdit

Found the claim instrument = cello at Q14836168 imported from Esperanto Wikipedia [3], the eowiki article is a creation made in one edit in 2019. The corresponding huwiki article also has a category cellist, but the text doesn't mention it.

The human has two IDs, BMLO which claims "Kontrabassist" and PIM which does not look helpful here. The huwiki article links to https://zeneakademia.hu/nagy_tanarok-hires_regi_tanitvanyok/38 which gives 404.

There finally I found https://zeneakademia.hu/lexikon_nagy_elodok/lexikon-1827 - authoritative information from the Hungarian Liszt Academy. ... and no indication for "csello"/"csellist" so far.

Improve Wikidata verifiability by including this property.

MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 09:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --Gerwoman (talk) 16:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Worlds Without End author IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for authors at the website Worlds Without End
Represents	Worlds Without End (Q94576039)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	\d+
Example 1	Douglas Adams (Q42) → 1430
Example 2	Robert A. Heinlein (Q123078) → 7
Example 3	Diane Duane (Q445930) → 1630
Source	https://www.worldswithoutend.com/authors_index.asp
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Mix'n'match	2934
Number of IDs in source	6000+
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.worldswithoutend.com/author.asp?ID=$1
See also	Internet Speculative Fiction Database author ID (P1233), The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction ID (P5357), Fantastic Fiction author ID (P5408)

MotivationEdit

Worlds Without End (Q94576039) is a database and community for speculative fiction (science fiction, fantasy, and horror books) with an extensive author database. This property would add to Wikidata's coverage of fiction. Trivialist (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Books. Trivialist (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Support --Trade (talk) 00:04, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

LGBT Danmark online dictionary IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identificator in LGBT Danmark's online dictionary
Represents	LGBT Danmark online dictionary (Q94592969)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	LGBT (Q17884), human sexuality (Q154136)
Example 1	aromanticism (Q52746927) → aromantik
Example 2	asexuality (Q724351) → aseksualitet
Example 3	bisexuality (Q43200) → biseksual
Example 4	genderqueer (Q12964198) → genderqueer
Format and edit filter validation	\w+
Source	http://lgbt.dk/online-lgbt-ordbog-komplet-begrebsliste/
Number of IDs in source	~
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://lgbt.dk/ordbog/$1/

MotivationEdit

Online dictionary operated by the danish organization LGBT Danmark

Notified participants of WikiProject LGBT--Trade (talk) 23:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Check the represents field, requires an item for LGBT Danmark dictionary. It seems one does not exist yet. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Done. Do you know any more LGBT dictionarys than can be added to WD? @Bluerasberry:--Trade (talk) 11:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@Trade: I was trying to think of where to find other dictionaries. So many exist but we also need a dictionary which is online with stable URLs for each entry, and no, I do not know others like that. HIV/AIDS research frequently writes layman guides to distribute in LGBT+ communities, like HVTN's guide or one from AIDSInfo, but these are not structured data. I was looking over this dictionary you found and thinking that the entire world is in error except for these people, because a dictionary which is not interlinked with structured data is mostly useless. No, I do not have ideas now, but I now see what I am supposed to find. Thanks for sharing this. Thanks for the update too.

Support Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Support--Cwf97 (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2020 (EST)

Norwegian war prisoner register IDEdit

Done: Norwegian prisoner register person ID (P8269) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Identifikation number in the Norwegian prisoner register 1940 -1945
Represents	Norwegian war prisoner register (Q93847699)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	\d{5}
Example 1	Einar Gerhardsen (Q164346) 22643
Example 2	Abelone Møgster (Q707185) 38661
Example 3	Herman Sachnowitz (Q11975185) 30380
Example 4	Arne Laudal (Q4794617) 7169
Source	https://www.fanger.no/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	In infoboxes ans authentications for biographies
Number of IDs in source	44000
Formatter URL	https://www.fanger.no/persons/$1
See also	Norwegian war sailor register person ID (P4972), Vaare falne ID (P7717), Norwegian war refugees register ID (P5871)

Motivering/begrunnelseEdit

Norwegian war prisonerregister ID is a simple authority control property to link Wikidata items to entries for political prisoners from norway prisoned or placed in consentration camps during worldwar II. this register also gives the camp or prison where the person was placed and the dates. There are other registers in addition giving a good identification of the Norwegian people directly involved in ww II. Pmt (talk) 16:59, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

(Legg inn motivering/begrunnelse for forslaget til denne egenskapen her.) Pmt (talk) 17:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support Looks fine to me. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Support--Trade (talk) 00:06, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 15:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pmt, ArthurPSmith, Trade, YULdigitalpreservation: Norwegian prisoner register person ID (P8269) has been created. Pamputt (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Monasteries in the Netherlands until 1800 IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[A-Z]\d\d
Example 1	Q2290305 → U27
Example 2	Begijnhof (Q19839277) → U14
Example 3	Q2442001 → D09
Example 4	Q19288062 → A01
Source	https://www2.fgw.vu.nl/oz/monasteries/index.php
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Add relevant identifiers to relevant pages, when I work on them for other reasons
Number of IDs in source	700
Formatter URL	https://www2.fgw.vu.nl/oz/monasteries/kdetails.php?ID=$1

MotivationEdit

This is an authoritative reference source for medieval and early-modern monasteries in the modern-day Netherlands. Medievalipm (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support --Gerwoman (talk) 15:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 15:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Library classifications' IDs for topicsEdit

Dewey Decimal ClassificationEdit

Option A

Not done

Description	subject classification identifier
Represents	Dewey Decimal Classification (Q48460)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	not written works and editions
Allowed values	\d{3}\|\d{3}\.\d+\|[12456]--\d+\|3[ABC]?--\d+
Example 1	social science (Q34749) → 300
Example 2	art (Q735) → 700
Example 3	radio (Q872) → 791.44
Example 4	Finland (Q33) → 2--4897
Source	https://www.oclc.org/en/dewey/resources.html (and others to be copied from Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page, plus Regensburg Classification (P1150), Chinese Library Classification (P1189) and Basisklassifikation (P5748)

Option B

Ready ^Create

Description	DDC number assigned to a publication
Represents	Dewey Decimal Classification (Q48460)
Data type	String
Domain	only written works and editions
Allowed values	\d{3}\|\d{3}\.\d+\|[12456]--\d+\|3[ABC]?--\d+
Example 1	Detto del gatto lupesco (Q19128645) → 851.1
Example 2	America (Paris) (Q19851135) → 306.098
Example 3	Who's who in France (Online) (Q19983442) → 920.044
Example 4	Postcolonial Gothic Fictions from the Caribbean, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (Q20592194) → 823.0872909
Source	https://www.oclc.org/en/dewey/resources.html (and others to be copied from Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page (Option B)

Library of Congress ClassificationEdit

Option A

Not done

Description	subject classification identifier used in the Library of Congress Classification system
Represents	Library of Congress Classification (Q621080)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	not written works and editions
Allowed values	[A-Z]{1,3}(\d+(\.\d+)?( \.[A-Z]{0,3}\d+([ -]\.?[A-Z]{0,3}\d+)?)?( \d+[a-z]*)?)?
Example 1	social science (Q34749) → H
Example 2	Augustine of Hippo (Q8018) → BR1720.A9
Example 3	Library of Congress Classification (Q621080) → Z696.U4-Z696.U7
Source	https://www.loc.gov/aba/publications/FreeLCC/freelcc.html#About (and others to be copied from Library of Congress Classification (P1149))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Library of Congress Classification (P1149) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page, plus Regensburg Classification (P1150), Chinese Library Classification (P1189) and Basisklassifikation (P5748)

Option B

Ready ^Create

Description	Library of Congress Classification number assigned to a publication
Represents	Library of Congress Classification (Q621080)
Data type	String
Domain	only written works and editions
Allowed values	[A-Z]{1,3}(\d+(\.\d+)?( \.[A-Z]{0,3}\d+([ -]\.?[A-Z]{0,3}\d+)?)?( \d+[a-z]*)?)?
Example 1	Southern Cross (Q17156005) → Z239.2 R58 1951h
Example 2	Existentialistische Marx-Interpretation (Q17416765) → B945.M2983 E9
Example 3	The Drunkard's Walk (Q18011319) → QA273.M63 2008
Source	https://www.loc.gov/aba/publications/FreeLCC/freelcc.html#About (and others to be copied from Library of Congress Classification (P1149))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Library of Congress Classification (P1149) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page (Option B)

Universal Decimal ClassificationEdit

Option A

Not done

Description	type of library classification
Represents	Universal Decimal Classification (Q243350)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	not written works and editions
Allowed values	((\=\|\-\|\`\|$\|\(\=\|\\|\+\|\:{1,2}\|\")?\d{1,3}(\.\d{1,3})($\|\")?)+
Example 1	social science (Q34749) → 3
Example 2	sociology of culture (Q1570681) → 316.7
Example 3	politics (Q7163) → 32
Source	http://www.udcc.org/udcsummary/php/index.php (and another to be copied from Universal Decimal Classification (P1190))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Universal Decimal Classification (P1190) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page, plus Regensburg Classification (P1150), Chinese Library Classification (P1189) and Basisklassifikation (P5748)

Option B

Ready ^Create

Description	UDC number assigned to a publication
Represents	Universal Decimal Classification (Q243350)
Data type	String
Domain	only written works and editions
Allowed values	((\=\|\-\|\`\|$\|\(\=\|\\|\+\|\:{1,2}\|\")?\d{1,3}(\.\d{1,3})($\|\")?)+
Example 1	Unequal catch : gender and fisheries on the Lake Victoria landing sites in Tanzania (Q55739133) → 001(6)
Example 2	Mis montañas (Q56643531) → 821.134.2(82)-992
Example 3	Introduction to Probability (Q63166569) → 519.2
Source	http://www.udcc.org/udcsummary/php/index.php (and another to be copied from Universal Decimal Classification (P1190))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Universal Decimal Classification (P1190) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page (Option B)

MotivationEdit

Previous discussions: Wikidata:Identifier migration/1#good to convert; Property talk:P1036#Distinct value constraint and conversion to external-id datatype

So, this is a major problem:

The three previous properties where originally designed to be used on topic-pages (as the proposals and the examples demonstrate) as external identifiers, in order to show that one topic is attributed a single identifier in one classification (e.g. social science (Q34749) is designed as 300 or H or 3). Obviously these properties have unique value constraint. The fact that these properties should have external-id datatype (because they are external identifiers) and should have unique value constraint is demonstrated by the fact that Chinese Library Classification (P1189) and Basisklassifikation (P5748) have these characteristics, just as Regensburg Classification (P1150) (ready to be converted) and Colon Classification (ready to be created).
However, these three properties have been widely used not to indicate the correspondence between a topic-item on Wikidata and a topic in these classifications, but to classify single works and editions. This is the reason of the high number of unique constraint violations, which prevented their conversion from datatype string to datatype external-id.

Now, given that:

external-id datatype and unique value constraint are appropriate to properties matching topic-item to topic in classification
string datatype and no unique value constraint are appropriate to properties matching single work-item or edition-item to classification

it is evident that three new properties are needed.

Given that the old properties are widely used in work-items and edition-items,

it is probably more convenient (option A, according to which I compiled the boxes above) moving to the three new properties here proposed the topic-values, so that the old properties maintain the string datatype while the new properties assume the external-id datatype and inherit the unique value constraint, which will be removed from the old ones;
obviously, if for some reason you consider better to keep topics in the old properties, it is possible the opposite (option B): creating the new properties with string datatype and no unique value constraint and moving to them work-values and edition-values, then migrating the old properties to external-id datatype.

Please vote explicitly for option A or B; if not specified, the vote will be considered for A, according to which I compiled the boxes above. Epìdosis 22:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Libraries --Epìdosis 22:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control --Epìdosis 22:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Source MetaData --Epìdosis 22:28, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Source MetaData/More --Epìdosis 22:28, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: suggested a very interesting comparison between these three cases and Iconclass notation (P1256)/depicts Iconclass notation (P1257), which is worth mentioning here. --Epìdosis 17:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Oppose all If exiting properties are being misused, the incorrect uses should be removed (or migrated to new properties; by a bot if necessary). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: In fact option B is actually proposing that the incorrect uses should be "migrated to new properties". Which is the problem? --Epìdosis 22:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
It took me some minutes to read carefully this issue that I did not know and I Support the effort. I trust the first procedural option if it easier.--Alexmar983 (talk) 23:27, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
In general, it seems like it is more important to maintain the principle that properties' meanings should not change, than to change them (and break all of the entity-matching that had been done using the intended property meaning) just because there are misuses. If at all practicable, Option B actually seems like the better solution to me, even if it is more work for Wikidata. Dominic (talk) 23:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Hard question, thanks Epìdosis to look into that. If I understood everything correctly, I think I prefer the option B which is a bit harder but cleaner. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 07:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Very important issue to be fixed as soon as possible. Thank you Epìdosis. I would prefer Option B, even if it will take more efforts to be developed. --Carlobia (talk) 09:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Question these three properties have been widely used not to indicate the correspondence between a topic-item on Wikidata and a topic in these classifications
Do we really *need* to represent those relationship ? If it’s the case that Wikidata knows that a topic is a subtopic of another one, using an existing hierarchical property like subclass of (P279) or something … If algebra is a subtopic of mathematics, and mathematics are say 500 in dewey classification, then algebra could be classified as 500 naturally. Are’nt most if not all of those statements just a variant of this argument hence redundant or worse, harmful ? Could not we instead write a few queries to retrieve the same information and build a better wikidata-ish topic classification, justified (sourced) by the topic relationship in external classifications ? author TomT0m / talk page 11:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
@TomT0m: I substantially agree, but I don't understand which consequence you are drawing from the reasoning: algebra (Q3968) Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) "512", so cannot be inferred from mathematics (Q395) Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) "500". Are you maybe saying that we can delete all library-classification-statements from work items since we can leave them only in topic items, linking to them with main subject (P921)? This would seem reasonable to me, but cannot be done in a simple way, so it would be better first migrating to a new property the IDs in work items and then gradually substituting these new properties with main subject (P921) whenever possible. --Epìdosis 11:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Support I slightly prefer option (A) but one way or another I do believe this needs to be sorted out. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. I vote for option B. -- Bargioni 🗣 18:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. I agree with ArthurPSmith. Option A is a better choice. --Csisc (talk) 01:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Let's summarize: as of now, there are 5 votes for option B (Dominic, VIGNERON, Carlobia, Bargioni and I, since I've been convinced by VIGNERON), 6 with the unclear vote of Pigsonthewing (who said "migrated to new properties"), against 3 votes for option A (Alexmar983, ArthurPSmith, Csisc). If there is no other vote, I think we can proceed on Tuesday 26th enacting option B. --Epìdosis 17:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Support the conversion (either A or B) but with some clarifications (@Epìdosis: please consider):

The Work props should also be external-id NOT string, simply without Single-value or Unique constraints. Consider that depicts Iconclass notation (P1257) is an external-id. This will allow us to have the nice external links
The prop names should mention the system (as in A), eg "Dewey's topic", "Dewey's classification for work", "UDC topic", "UDC classification for work". We should not use generic names that can be confusing --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 09:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
@Vladimir Alexiev: Very good objections, thanks! I effectively agree about datatype (always external-id), I've updated the boxes above; I will clarify labels and descriptions post-creation, of course! --Epìdosis 09:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- depicts Iconclass notation (P1257) has string-datatype, not external-id. Links should be possible for string properties as well. --- Jura 13:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
OK, restored string datatype for IDs of single works. --Epìdosis 14:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Library classifications and main subject (P921)Edit

Sorry, I'm too late for the party, otherwise I might have Oppose. The existing library classification properties such as Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036)} are to be used on topics. They should be migrated from datatype string to datatype external-identifier (A, but no new properties). Does the the proposal B imply to create a second twin property for each library classification property? Do you know there are hundreds of library classifications out there. What makes the three above so special? I'd prefer to use main subject (P921) instead. -- JakobVoss (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@JakobVoss: Yes, proposal B, substantially approved with no contrary votes, implies creating a second twin property for these three library classification properties. I understand your objection: using main subject (P921) would be better. For this reason, it is our intention not to allow using other library classification properties on publications. Unfortunately, these three have been widely used on publications, so we think it's better to "save" these regrettable uses transferring them to new IDs, which (I think) can be gradually dismissed substituting them with appropriate main subject (P921). Proposal B can be viewed just as a transition towards the elimination of library-classification properties on publications, in order to supersede them with main subject (P921). I hope you can agree with this clarification. Good night,

--Epìdosis 21:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Library classifications do not (necessarily) refer only on the subjects of works. E.g.

* LCC B2 is philosophical "Periodicals. Serials. French and Belgian"

* LCC B21 is philosophical "Collected works (nonserial). English and American"

* B41 is philosophical "Dictionaries. English and American"

etc.

On the one hand it would be missleading to transform such classifications into values for main subject (P921).

On the other hand it would be a pity to loose such information and search option (i.e.: options for search strategies).

I would agree, that "LC Subjects" could be used as values for main subject (P921); but the classification of a certain book is an information for its own, because the class is part of a systematic (inter alia: hierarchial) structure.

--Nstrc (talk) 12:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nstrc: Thank you for the precisation! So, I can reformulate: "transition towards the elimination of library-classification properties on publications, in order to supersede them with main subject (P921) whenever appropriate; in the other cases library-classification properties will be retained on publications". --Epìdosis 15:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

ID of a song in the Montreux Jazz Festival databaseEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	Identifier of a song performed during the Montreux Jazz Festival
Data type	External identifier
Domain	song (Q7366)
Allowed values	[0-9]+
Example 1	Cocaine (Q2725356) → 29630 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/songs/29630)
Example 2	Plug In Baby (Q374156) → 155124 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/songs/155124)
Example 3	Stairway to Heaven (Q192023) → 31785 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/songs/31785)
Number of IDs in source	48261
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/songs/$1

MotivationEdit

The Montreux Jazz Festival collected over year all the data about the song performed during the event. A link between MJF db and Wikidata would also interesting to describe all MJF performances here. Uallv (talk) 10:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support Moebeus (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

ID of a person in the Montreux Jazz Festival databaseEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	Identifier of a person in the Montreux Jazz Festival database
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	[0-9]+
Example 1	Matt Bellamy (Q190576) → 10743 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/persons/10743)
Example 2	Josh Homme (Q1708504) → 155124 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/persons/4846)
Example 3	Mark Lanegan (Q319277) → 31785 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/persons/32507)
Number of IDs in source	17254
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/persons/$1

MotivationEdit

The Montreux Jazz Festival collected over year all the data about the people that made a performance during the events. A connection between MJF db and Wikidata would also interesting to describe all MJF performances and their perfomers here. Uallv (talk) 10:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Support as a complement to other musician links ―Vahurzpu (talk) 23:27, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support Moebeus (talk) 22:39, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Veldkruus IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier of an object in the Veldkruus database
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	number
Example 1	Hagelkruis Sint Odiliënberg (Q14851311) → 4143
Example 2	Moordkruis Uit de Plateel (Q17372917) → 3246
Example 3	Saint Rosa Chapel (Q14727419) → 99
Example 4	water well Gasthuis (Q17448825) → 3559
Example 5	statue of Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ (Q17189335) → 354
Source	https://veldkruus.nl/
Planned use	import of identifiers to existing items about churches, chapels, crosses and other objects in Limburg (NL)
Number of IDs in source	4325
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://veldkruus.nl/kruis.php?kr=$1

MotivatieEdit

Veldkruus is in Dutch Limburg the database/inventory for religious heritage as well as some other small heritage. They have built a database with data about crosses, chapels, churches, Maria statues, Jezus statues, and various other small heritage. Romaine (talk) 15:25, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 15:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

AustLit IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier at AustLit
Represents	AustLit: The Australian Literature Resource (Q4822839)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[ACv]?\d+
Example 1	Charles Wiltens Andrée Hayward (Q21536436) → A27977
Example 2	AustLit: The Australian Literature Resource (Q4822839) → A70752
Example 3	The Bulletin (Q3025604) → C278241
Example 4	The Secret River (Q7763079) → C540523
Example 5	Booker Prize (Q160082) → v84
Example 6	Foreign Soil (Q48965531) → 6593307
Source	https://www.austlit.edu.au/search
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	1,000,000+
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.austlit.edu.au/austlit/page/$1

MotivationEdit

A very informative database maintained by The University of Queensland. INS Pirat (t | c) 16:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Support. Mr. Fulano! ^Talk 01:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Bioweb Ecuador IDEdit

Under discussion

Represents	Bioweb Ecuador (Q94974628)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	taxonomy (Q8269924)
Example 1	Pristimantis erythros (Q52333642) → faunaweb/amphibiaweb/FichaEspecie/Pristimantis%20erythros
Example 2	Hygrocybe conica (Q1434668) → fungiweb/FichaEspecie/Hygrocybe%20conica
Example 3	Neurolepis villosa (Q3761213) → floraweb/librorojo/FichaEspecie/Neurolepis%20villosa
Source	https://bioweb.bio/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	~9000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://bioweb.bio/$1

MotivationEdit

Bioweb Ecuador (Q94974628) is an online database about ecuadorian species (animals, plants and fungus) that has so many info, like distribution, conservation status and taxonomy. In some species, mainly amphibians, there are more info like description and ecology. Mr. Fulano! ^Talk 00:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Taxonomy

FilmPolski.pl press collection IDEdit

Under discussion

Represents	FilmPolski.pl (Q15672050)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Avatar (Q24871) → 65180
Example 2	Avatar 2 (Q3604746) → 75056
Example 3	Emmy Award (Q123737) → 25118
Example 4	Annecy International Animated Film Festival (Q1408677) → 10743
Example 5	Lars von Trier (Q133730) → 27648
Source	http://www.filmpolski.pl/rec/index.php/slowo
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	18,000+ films, 30,000+ other entries (estimate)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://www.filmpolski.pl/rec/index.php/rec/$1
See also	FilmPolski.pl ID (P3495)

MotivationEdit

A register of the articles on films and film industry in Polish print media grouped by a subject. This project and the Polish films' database are both maintained by the National Film School in Łódź but don't correlate with each other (some entries include a link to a corresponding page in the latter DB but never have a backlink). INS Pirat (t | c) 02:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

NTB IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a person or a theatrical production on the National Theatre Bucharest website
Represents	Ion Luca Caragiale National Theatre Bucharest (Q1138828)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), actor (Q33999), theater director (Q3387717), theatre designer (Q26869657), drama play (Q2430899), performing arts production (Q43099500), spectacle (Q224530)
Example 1	Tania Popa (Q76125092) → tania-popa
Example 2	Radu Afrim (Q11833532) → radu-afrim
Example 3	Dragos Buhagiar (Q12727023) → dragos-buhagiar
Example 4	Folia, Shakespeare & Co (Q92270086) → folia-shakespeare-co
Example 5	TaRaTaTam (Q90890307) → dale-noastre-464
Example 6	The Romanian whim (Q90137098) → moftul-roman
Source	https://www.tnb.ro/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	as authority control and identificator
Number of IDs in source	unknown
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.tnb.ro/ro/$1
See also	OSZMI ID (P6796)

MotivationEdit

Property for people (198) and theatrical productions included in the NTB's website (the National Theatre Bucharest), a database in Romanian and English. - Coagulans (talk) 08:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Odeon IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a person or a theatrical production on the Odeon Theatre's website
Represents	Odeon Theatre (Q559214)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), actor (Q33999), theater director (Q3387717), theatre designer (Q26869657), drama play (Q2430899), performing arts production (Q43099500), spectacle (Q224530)
Example 1	Irina Mazanitis (Q87769124) → irina-mazanitis
Example 2	Silvian Vâlcu (Q71635741) → silvian-valcu
Example 3	Uppercase Print (Q88384988) → tipografic-majuscul
Source	http://www.teatrul-odeon.ro/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	as authority control and identificator
Number of IDs in source	105
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://www.teatrul-odeon.ro/$1
See also	OSZMI ID (P6796)

MotivationEdit

Property for people (59) and theatrical productions (46) included in the Odeon Theatre's website, a database in Romanian and English. - Coagulans (talk) 11:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

This seems a rather small number of possible id's. Have you considered described at URL (P973)? ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

It would be the only identifier, especially for productions. The IMDb-like site for the Romanian theater, teatral.ro, is on the spam list, probably due to its commercial extension. It's unfair, many sites in this industry have such, e.g. IMDb has IMDb Pro. - Coagulans (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

ID of a concert in the Montreux Jazz Festival databaseEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	Identifier of a concert in the Montreux Jazz Festival database
Data type	External identifier
Domain	concert (Q182832)
Allowed values	[0-9]+
Example 1	Ben Klock concert during Montreux Jazz Festival (Q94996551) → 5667 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/concerts/5667)
Example 2	Queens of the Stone Age concert during Montreux Jazz Festival (Q94996810) → 5419 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/concerts/5419)
Example 3	Tony Bennett & Lady Gaga concert during Montreux Jazz Festival (Q94996815) → 31785 (https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/concerts/4964)
Number of IDs in source	4649
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://mjf-database.epfl.ch/public/concerts/$1

MotivationEdit

The Montreux Jazz Festival collected over year all the data about concerts made over years. A connection between MJF db and Wikidata would also interesting to describe all MJF performances and their perfomers here. Uallv (talk) 10:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support Oui Oui! Moebeus (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Britannica Kids articlesEdit

Britannica Kids' kids article IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a kids article in the Britannica Kids
Represents	Britannica Kids' kids article (Q95021515)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[\w\-]+\/\d+
Example 1	reproductive system (Q7895) → reproductive-system/353707
Example 2	Mexico City (Q1489) → Mexico-City/345966
Example 3	Internet (Q75) → Internet/353293
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Including it on Authority control
Number of IDs in source	~10000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://kids.britannica.com/kids/article/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe checking for 404 responses
See also	Encyclopædia Britannica Online ID (P1417)

Britannica Kids' students article IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a students article in the Britannica Kids
Represents	Britannica Kids' students article (Q95023037)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[\w\-]+\/\d+
Example 1	reproductive system (Q7895) → reproductive-system/276695
Example 2	Mexico City (Q1489) → Mexico-City/275817
Example 3	Internet (Q75) → Internet/311813
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Including it on Authority control
Number of IDs in source	~10000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe checking for 404 responses
See also	Encyclopædia Britannica Online ID (P1417)

Britannica Kids' scholar article IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a scholar article in the Britannica Kids
Represents	Britannica Kids' scholars article (Q95024578)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[\w\-]+\/\d+
Example 1	reproductive system (Q7895) → human-reproductive-system/110811
Example 2	Mexico City (Q1489) → Mexico-City/108721
Example 3	Internet (Q75) → Internet/1458
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Including it on Authority control
Number of IDs in source	~10000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://kids.britannica.com/scholars/article/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe checking for 404 responses
See also	Encyclopædia Britannica Online ID (P1417)

MotivaciónEdit

Link to kids version of Britannica articles. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Latin texts IDsEdit

digilibLT work IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a work in the digilibLT digital library
Represents	digilibLT (Q64219734)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	written work (Q47461344)
Allowed values	\d{6}
Example 1	Institutes (Q1229830) → 000645
Example 2	Epitome of Roman History (Q87743334) → 000189
Example 3	Passion of Saints Perpetua and Felicity (Q44227030) → 000592
Example 4	Collectanea rerum memorabilium (Q3395604) → 000473
Source	https://digiliblt.uniupo.it/testi.php
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	probably Mix'n'match
Number of IDs in source	567
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://digiliblt.uniupo.it/opera.php?id=DLT$1
See also	digilibLT author ID (P6862)

PHI Latin Texts work IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a work in the PHI Latin Texts digital library
Represents	PHI Latin Texts (Q64224598)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	written work (Q47461344)
Allowed values	\d{1,4}\/\d{1,2}
Example 1	Apologia (Q3620725) → 1212/1
Example 2	De arboribus (Q15804864) → 845/2
Example 3	Odusia (Q694030) → 94/1
Example 4	De Agri Cultura (Q1180565) → 22/1
Source	https://latin.packhum.org/browse
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	probably Mix'n'match
Number of IDs in source	about 1000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://latin.packhum.org/loc/$1/0
See also	PHI Latin Texts author ID (P6941)

Musisque Deoque work IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a work in the Musisque Deoque digital library
Represents	Musisque Deoque (Q65028987)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	written work (Q47461344)
Allowed values	[A-Z]\
Example 1	Eclogues (Q546203) → VERG\|eclo
Example 2	Amphitryon (Q475025) → PLAVT\|amph
Example 3	Liber spectaculorum (Q20552117) → MART\|spec
Example 4	Mosella (Q1684171) → AVSON\|mose
Source	http://mizar.unive.it/mqdq/public/indici/autori/tipo/crono
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	probably Mix'n'match
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	http://www.mqdq.it/texts/$1
See also	Musisque Deoque author ID (P6999)

MotivationEdit

Notified participants of WikiProject Ancient Rome Three new work IDs, related to the correspondent author IDs, for the main non-paywalled websites containing ancient Latin texts. Epìdosis 09:58, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support I was not expecting a unified proposal so I hope I did not miss some aspects while revising them all together.--Alexmar983 (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Support --Gerwoman (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Noovie person IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a person on the noovie.com site
Represents	Noovie (Q95156465)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), actor (Q33999)
Example 1	Nicoletta Braschi (Q254462) → nicoletta-braschi-69789
Example 2	Annie Girardot (Q106443) → annie-girardot-16202
Example 3	Hanna Schygulla (Q28921) → hanna-schygulla-47900
Source	https://www.noovie.com
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	as authority control and identificator
Number of IDs in source	unknown
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://n.noovie.com/people/$1
See also	MovieGe person ID (P7653)

MotivationEdit

Property for actors included in noovie.com, a movie database in English. - Coagulans (talk) 01:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support--Cwf97 (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2020 (EST)

LongTake person IDEdit

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a person on the longtake.it site
Represents	LongTake (Q95236111)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), actor (Q33999)
Example 1	Giulietta Masina (Q106907) → giulietta-masina
Example 2	Yves Montand (Q106057) → yves-montand
Example 3	Ben Hollingsworth (Q2895467) → benjamin-hollingsworth
Source	https://www.longtake.it
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	as authority control and identificator
Number of IDs in source	unknown
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.longtake.it/personas/$1
See also	MYmovies actor ID (P4779)

MotivationEdit

Property for actors included in longtake.it, a movie database in Italian. - Coagulans (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support-❙❚❚❙❙ JinOy ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 13:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

ESRB video game IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a video game on ESRB's official website
Represents	Entertainment Software Rating Board (Q191458)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Example 1	Cyberpunk 2077 (Q3182559) → 36949
Example 2	Manhunt 2 (Q1799879) → 27610, 23558, 23647
Example 3	Postal 2 (Q1974968) → 8761
Source	https://www.esrb.org
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	as authority control and reference for ESRB rating (P852)
Number of IDs in source	unknown
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.esrb.org/ratings/$1
See also	ESRB rating (P852)

MotivationEdit

This property would make it much easier to add sources to ESRB rating (P852). Notified participants of WikiProject Video games--Trade (talk) 22:38, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support--Cwf97 (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2020 (EST)

Australian Classification IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a video game on Australian Classification Board's official website
Represents	Australian Classification (Q26708073)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	creative work (Q17537576)
Example 1	Cyberpunk 2077 (Q3182559) → cyberpunk-2077
Example 2	Manhunt (Q853344) →manhunt-4
Example 3	Postal (Q700905) → postal
Source	https://www.classification.gov.au
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	as authority control and reference for Australian Classification (P3156)
Number of IDs in source	unknown
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.classification.gov.au/titles/$1
See also	Australian Classification (P3156)

MotivationEdit

This property would make it much easier to add sources to Australian Classification (P3156).--Trade (talk) 14:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support Good addition. Jean-Fred (talk) 14:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Support Useful. Is there any way we'll be able to automatically apply Australian Classification (P3156) to items with this identifier? --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 16:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Support --- ʂɤɲ ✉ 16:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Notified participants of WikiProject Australia Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

ISCO-08 occupation codeEdit

Under discussion

Description	International Standard Classification of Occupations code according to the International Labour Organization (ILO) classification structure as of 2008
Data type	String
Domain	occupation (Q12737077)
Allowed values	[0-9]{4}
Example 1	playwright (Q214917) → 2641 (2451 in ISCO-88)
Example 2	stonemason (Q328325) → 7113 (7122 in ISCO-88)
Example 3	lumberjack (Q1124183) → 6210 (6141 in ISCO-88)
Example 4	goatherd (Q5575361) → 6121 (6121 in ISCO-88)
Format and edit filter validation	[0-9]{4}
Source	http://www.ilo.org/public/english/bureau/stat/isco/isco08/
Planned use	Filter down occupation (P106)
Number of IDs in source	7017
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Robot and gadget jobs	It should be possible to bot-match 1–2k of the entries, depending on the amount of manual work
See also	ISCO occupation code (P952)

MotivationEdit

It is necessary to somehow filter occupation (P106) to find the real occupations, as a subset of human activity, and this property makes it possible. Occupations now contain a lot of human activity that has nothing to do with an occupation in the sense of work, and it seems impossible to clean it up.[4][5] For example this leads to serial killer (Q484188) being an “occupation”.[6] Check also the thread Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2020/05#ISCO occupation code.

Note that ISCO occupation code (P952) should be changed to cover ISCO-88 when this property has been created, as almost all entries follow that standard. Not all though, so each entry must be checked. Jeblad (talk) 12:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Note also that for some activities the actual work might be slightly different from the thing described at Wikipedia, thus the work is only related to the item. Jeblad (talk) 13:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support The present situation with confusing "occupations" is one of several important argument against the use of Wikidata-connected infoboxes in wpno. Johann Sebastian Bach was according to Wikidata hired as a virtuoso (Q214970), which he was not. The word is a description of his skills, not his occupation. As I understand the suggestion is an attempt to remove such errors, I will support it. --Trygve W Nodeland (talk) 14:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Strong Support. E.g., the Norwegian white supremacist Anders Behring Breivik is listed with occupations such as "mass murderer", "terrorist" and "conspiracy theorist". These are hardly lines of work! This property needs to be reigned in. Asav (talk) 14:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Support Support this proposal. Ulflarsen (talk) 15:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Support -- Will help to clean up a right mess. Geanixx (talk) 16:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Teolemon
Nomen ad hoc

Notified participants of WikiProject Occupations and professions Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Support Germartin1 (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support - Premeditated (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Olympedia identifierEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an athlete at www.olympedia.org
Represents	Olympedia athlete database (Q95606922)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5) with possibly very few exceptions (<5)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{0,6}
Example 1	Laura Dahlmeier (Q4980869) → 127804
Example 2	Steve Redgrave (Q52679) → 37440
Example 3	Miriam Welte (Q65733) → 125466
Source	https://www.olympedia.org/athletes
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	import ~130k values based on a mapping table sent by the Olympedia team (User:MisterSynergy)
Number of IDs in source	164962 (2020-05-27)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.olympedia.org/athletes/$1
See also	Sports-Reference.com Olympic athlete ID (P1447) in particular, but also International Olympic Committee athlete ID (P3171), databaseOlympics.com athlete ID (P3520), TheSports.org athlete ID (P4391), and Olympic Channel athlete ID (P5815)

MotivationEdit

In the past, the database at www.sports-reference.com/olympics has been pretty much the gold standard of Olympic participation data in all Wikimedia projects. We have Sports-Reference.com Olympic athlete ID (P1447) for this site, but recently the data was removed from the Sports-Reference.com servers. This had been announced to happen eventually almost 4 years ago.

The original source for the data has always been www.olympedia.org, but that site was not publicly available until recently. The Olympedia team is currently working with a new hosting provider to set up a new public site to host their data, but the site is not expected to go public anytime soon. In the meantime, the Olympedia has been opened for the public [7]. It is not yet clear whether Olympedia will be a public database forever, but based on conversations with Olympedia team, it will likely be available for a considerable time.

In the past weeks, there have been email conversations between Wikimedians (particularly User:RonaldH from German Wikipedia, and me), the Olympedia team, and staffers of their new hosting provider. We have received a complete mapping table (Sports-Reference-URL <-> Olympedia ID) that we can directly import to Wikidata based on our well-maintained Sports-Reference.com Olympic athlete ID (P1447) identifiers—there is a 1:1 correspondence for both sites. I would offer to import the mapping table to Wikidata in case this property will be created.

Wikipedias would also be potentially be interested in this data, as they could relatively easily switch their Sports-Reference.com weblinks to Olympedia.org without having to look up all identifiers manually.

Interested users: @Avilena, Lugnuts, RonaldH, Edgars2007, Zyxw, Rashinseita (and possibly others);

Notified participants of WikiProject Olympics

—MisterSynergy (talk) 09:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I've also dropped a note at the Olympic Project on EN WP. Lugnuts (talk) 09:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support (as proposer) —MisterSynergy (talk) 09:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support Makes sense now SR has gone Lugnuts (talk) 09:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support Best possible solution --RonaldH (talk) 10:05, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support for both the property and the mass import of IDs, now that SR is gone. --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 10:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support -- Steak (talk) 15:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support - a highly important data source for Olympics-related material. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support --Avilena (talk) 16:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support - Migrant (talk) 20:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support -- Also, the property Sports-Reference.com Olympic athlete ID (P1447) should be kept since most of those pages remain available via web.archive.org, similar to how there is still a property for databaseOlympics.com athlete ID (P3520). -- Zyxw (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support --- Løken (talk) 23:40, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Support, of course. And the provided mapping also warms up my heart :) That means that SR import and data fixing wasn't meaningless. --Edgars2007 (talk) 16:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Support, as it makes perfect sense. Schwede66 (talk) 00:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Support -- Slangore (talk) 06:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Support --Rashinseita (talk) 09:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

New York Times contributor IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	ID of an author on the New York Times website
Represents	The New York Times (Q9684)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	`[a-z-]*`
Example 1	Alan Rappeport (Q61747015) → alan-rappeport
Example 2	Matthew Rosenberg (Q6791162) → matthew-rosenberg
Example 3	Elizabeth Bruenig (Q61677430) → elizabeth-bruenig
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	import based on links in Wikipedia pages
Number of IDs in source	hundreds at least, probably thousands
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.nytimes.com/by/$1
See also	The Washington Post contributor ID (P7943), The Atlantic author ID (P6791)

MotivationEdit

Would allow better linking of journalists to their articles, which are often useful as sources. Vahurzpu (talk) 22:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC).

Cinema Context IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	Cinema Context is a database of cinema-related metadata in the Netherlands, mostly before the 1960s. Virtually every cinema that existed in the Netherlands before the 1960s is in this database, including the movies shown there, the people running those cinemas and the companies distributing film. The database and site are part of the department of Media Studies at University of Amsterdam (Q214341).
Represents	human (Q5), film (Q11424), movie theater (Q41253), company (Q783794)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), film (Q11424), movie theater (Q41253), company (Q783794)
Allowed values	[B\|F\|P\|R]\d+
Example 1	Casablanca (Q132689) → F020802 (movie)
Example 2	Theater Tuschinski (Q599272) → B000030 (movie theatre)
Example 3	A-Film (Q1807410) → R001641 (company)
Example 4	Abraham Icek Tuschinski (Q330084) → P000107 (person)
Planned use	Most of the movies have an IMDB reference, so i'll focus on getting those ids in first
Number of IDs in source	>350.000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	http://www.cinemacontext.nl/id/$1
See also	IMDb ID (P345), Cinema Treasures ID (P4129), Swedish Film Database film ID (P2334)

MotivationEdit

I've been working with the Cinema Context website for a couple of years now and it's a really interesting historical resource of cinema in the Netherlands. For a while, a complete SQL dump of the site is also available. The majority of all movies on this site have links to the IMDB, so it will be pretty easy to make a mapping of IMDB id's and Cinema Context id's. Husky (talk) 15:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support The Cinema Context database is a rich and detailed source. Cinema Context data can be queried at this sparql endpoint and the rdfdata wil be published soon. It would be really helpful to have good connections between Wikidata and Cinema Context. --Denengelse (talk) 15:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Support Looks very useful for Dutch films, and probably also for many other films as well. Jane023 (talk) 16:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Support Manu1400 (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Helsinki persistent building ID RatuEdit

Under discussion

Description	Buildings ID of the City of Helsinki, replaced by nationwide VTJ-PRT
Represents	building (Q41176)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	building (Q41176)
Allowed values	\d{1,7}
Example 1	Helsinki Cathedral (Q738015) → 211
Example 2	Q11871262 → 323
Example 3	Swedish Theatre (Q926046) → 414
Source	https://kartta.hel.fi/paikkatietohakemisto/pth/?id=16
Planned use	See below.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
See also	VTJ-PRT building ID (P3824), Protected Buildings Register in Finland Building ID (P5313)

MotivationEdit

The ID is being replaced by the VTJ-PRT ID. This ID can be used to connect datasets of different age and different sources together. It is used for this year's WLM contest. Susanna Ånäs (Susannaanas) (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Juno Download album IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an album on Juno Download site
Represents	Juno Download (Q64577635)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	album (Q482994), single (Q134556)
Example 1	Angels Ain't Listening (Q95689414) → 4597878-02
Example 2	Spectre (Q68107521) → 2732412-02
Example 3	Meteora (Q19858) → 3257128-02
Source	https://www.junodownload.com
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	putting value to albums available from the Juno Download site
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.junodownload.com/products/$1
See also	Juno Download artist ID (P6920)

MotivationEdit

Property for albums included in Juno Download. See also Deezer album ID (P2723) Google Play Music album ID (P4199) or Spotify album ID (P2205) Eurohunter (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

sobory.ru IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	Identifier of a church/monastery/chapel at sobory.ru, which is a russian catalogue of orthodox architecture from all over the world.
Data type	External identifier
Domain	monastery (Q44613), Eastern Orthodox church (Q2031836), Orthodox chapel (Q1975485), bell tower (Q200334)
Allowed values	00001-99999
Example 1	St. Basil's Cathedral (Q129846) → 02934 (https://sobory.ru/article/?object=02934)
Example 2	Spaso-Preobrazhensky Cathedral (Q1975595) → 00231 (https://sobory.ru/article/?object=00231)
Example 3	Church of the Transfiguration, Kizhi (Q15042088) → 05875 (https://sobory.ru/article/?object=05875)
Number of IDs in source	≈ 53000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://sobory.ru/article/?object=$1

MotivationEdit

Sobory.ru is catalague of orthodox architecture from all over the world. There are photographs (they have about 400000 photos), short information (patron saints, locations, dates and so on) and articles about more then 50000 religiuos buildings. When it is about not well-known or hard to reach churches, it has much more information and photographs about many churches than Wikipedias and Commons. PS: it is my first proposal, so I could be wrong in smth Stolbovsky (talk) 01:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

HBO Max IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a creative work on the streaming service HBO Max
Represents	HBO Max (Q65359104)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	film (Q11424), television series (Q5398426)
Allowed values	(feature\|series)/urn:hbo:(feature\|series):[A-Za-z0-9_-]{21}
Example 1	Game of Thrones (Q23572) → series/urn:hbo:series:GVU2cggagzYNJjhsJATwo
Example 2	The Great Dictator (Q109116) → feature/urn:hbo:feature:GXk3jxge1oTC3wwEAAAid
Example 3	Sesame Street (Q155629) → series/urn:hbo:series:GVm91CAr3MaJeisAIAAAv
Example 4	Doom Patrol (Q55952118) → series/urn:hbo:series:GXnAu5AZC5MNVoAEAABvO
Example 5	Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (Q8885676) → urn:hbo:feature:GXrHVaQyRPXUYOAEAAABO
Example 6	Casablanca (Q132689) → feature/urn:hbo:feature:GXdu2UQAP-qXCPQEAADfL
See also	Netflix ID (P1874), Hulu movie ID (P6466), Hulu series ID (P6467), Disney+ movie ID (P7595), Disney+ series ID (P7596), Tubi movie ID (P7760), Tubi series ID (P7761)

MotivationEdit

Identifier for HBO's new streaming service. The ID format is the same that HBO has been using for HBO Go and HBO Now, so it seems stable. Trivialist (talk) 02:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support--Cwf97 (talk) 16:40, 29 May 2020 (EST)
Support - PKM (talk) 23:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Yle Topic IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	ID for topics in Finland's national broadcaster Yle's webb services
Data type	External identifier
Domain	all
Allowed values	18-^[0-9]{1,6}$
Example 1	Sauli Niinistö (Q29207) → 18-194072
Example 2	Helsinki (Q1757) → 18-194469
Example 3	podcast (Q24634210) → 18-264928
Source	https://yle.fi/
Planned use	Adding topic ID on Wikidata items.
Number of IDs in source	more than 200 000
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://yle.fi/aihe/t/$1
See also	Yle Areena ID (P3414)

MotivationEdit

Yle has been using Wikidata for tagging for several years. We now also wish to link our internal topic ID's to Wikidata. Mickhinds (talk) 13:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Support Happy to see this go forward! – Susanna Ånäs (Susannaanas) (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Den Store Danske IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of an article in the online encyclopedia denstoredanske.lex.dk
Represents	Den Store Danske Encyklopædi (Q1186818)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[^\s\/]+
Example 1	World War II (Q362) → 2._Verdenskrig
Example 2	Ursula von der Leyen (Q60772) → Ursula_von_der_Leyen
Example 3	Selma Lagerlöf (Q44519) → Selma_Lagerlöf
Example 4	COVID-19 (Q84263196) → COVID-19
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Planned use	Will be used as authority data for articles
Formatter URL	https://denstoredanske.lex.dk/$1
See also	Store norske leksikon ID (P4342)

MotivationEdit

Den Store Danske Encyklopædi (Q1186818) is a Danish encyclopedia. Will be used as authority data for articles. Premeditated (talk) 16:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Dansk litteraturs historie IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier of an article in the online encyclopedia dansklitteraturshistorie.lex.dk
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[^\s\/]+
Example 1	Q12339838 → Trækfuglene
Example 2	Biedermeier (Q154432) → Biedermeier
Example 3	Poetic realism (Q1021184) → Poetisk_realisme
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Formatter URL	https://dansklitteraturshistorie.lex.dk/$1
See also	Store norske leksikon ID (P4342)

MotivationEdit

Den Store Danske Encyklopædi (Q1186818) is a Danish encyclopedia. Will be used as authority data for articles linked to the Danish literature (Q849175). Premeditated (talk) 16:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Xfinity Stream IDEdit

Under discussion

Data type	External identifier
Domain	film (Q11424), television series (Q5398426)
Example 1	Fantastic Four (Q224130) → 7454691794814153112
Example 2	The Simpsons (Q886) → 6440918268753874112
Example 3	Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed (Q581666) → 7996578282107058112
Example 4	Scooby-Doo (Q936302) → 5118810779787014112
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.xfinity.com/stream/entity/$1
See also	Netflix ID (P1874), Hulu movie ID (P6466), Hulu series ID (P6467), Disney+ movie ID (P7595), Disney+ series ID (P7596), Tubi movie ID (P7760), Tubi series ID (P7761)

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Cwf97 (talk) 19:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

IGRS video game IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a video game on IGRS's official website
Represents	Indonesian Game Rating System (Q57246055)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Example 1	DreadOut (Q5306230) → dreadout
Example 2	Orbiz (Q28753459) → orbiz
Example 3	CrossFire (Q498866) → crossfire
Source	https://igrs.id/search?name=&txtAge=0&txtGenre=0&txtPlatform=0
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://igrs.id/aplikasi/$1

MotivationEdit

Would be useful once someone creates a IGRS rating property. --Trade (talk) 23:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

GMC registration no.Edit

Not done

Description	Identifier for a physician, in the United Kingdom General Medical Council's official regster
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Q5
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Jim Down (Q95848939) → 4089913
Example 2	Manjeet Singh Riyat (Q91252955) → 3659610
Example 3	Abdul Mabud Chowdhury (Q89918324) → 5209266
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Number of IDs in source	unknown; many thousands
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/$1

MotivationEdit

Under United Kingdom law, all physicians must register to practice, and the register is a public document. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Not done, existed as GMC membership number (P8273).--GZWDer (talk) 01:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Proleksis enciklopedija IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a topic in Proleksis enciklopedija
Represents	Proleksis Encyclopedia (Q3407324)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	\d{1,5}
Example 1	Bosnia and Herzegovina (Q225) → 13169
Example 2	ADAC (Q289953) → 4971
Example 3	Grappa (Q693078) → 566
Example 4	Tim Hunt (Q309977) → 65
Source	https://proleksis.lzmk.hr/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd].
Mix'n'match	2967
Planned use	Mix'n'match
Number of IDs in source	more than 60k
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://proleksis.lzmk.hr/$1
See also	Hrvatska enciklopedija ID (P7982)

MotivationEdit

Important Croatian online encyclopedia; match already started on Mix'n'match. Epìdosis 10:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

VIAF partner IDEdit

Under discussion

Description	ID as found on viaf.org
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	BNA authority ID (P3788) → ARBABN
Example 2	ISNI (P213) → ISNI
Example 3	GND ID (P227) → DNB
Example 4	Library of Congress authority ID (P244) → LC
Source	viaf.org
Planned use	re-use in queries about VIAF source IDs
Number of IDs in source	50
Expected completeness	complete
Formatter URL	http://viaf.org/viaf/partnerpages/$1.html

MotivationEdit

VIAF ID and VIAF source IDs (ISNI, LC, GND, etc.) have a high priority in Wikidata, Most, or all, have a dedicated property in Wikidata (P214, P213, P244, P227) with datatype external-id. The latter are listed on item pages before any other external IDs, see MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties#VIAF-related IDs.

Currently the values are stored

on property pages using has quality and code (P3295), e.g. Property:P3788#P1552
on item pages? Note: Wikidata is a partner having partner ID "WKP", but no property for this ID set will ever exist. So, all the information should eventually also be stored in the Wikidata item namespace. The partner IDs are used in VIAF cluster to differentiate the source IDs.

Queries are more complex: https://w.wiki/SQa and probably slower, no format constraints exist. If no property for a given source exists in WD, the value cannot be stored in a structured way. It can also happen that a partner ID is deprecated, this information cannot be stored well.

See Wikidata:VIAF/partner#Lists for WDQS and manual lists.

Having them in a proper property will resolve the above issues and make it easier to maintain VIAF data in Wikidata and to provide information about VIAF to users of Wikidata data. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 13:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

@Epìdosis, Kolja21, Vladimir Alexiev, Bargioni: some of the users that I know are involved with VIAF data in Wikidata.

Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

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Flora del Cono Sur Darwinion IDEdit

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7digital United Kingdom artist IDEdit

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academic appointmentEdit

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article in Catalan VikidiaEdit

article in Russian VikidiaEdit

article in Greek VikidiaEdit

article in Sicilian VikidiaEdit

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Stairway To Hell IDEdit

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Flanders Architecture Institute - Archive IDEdit

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The Cutting Room Floor IDEdit

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Indonesian Intangible Cultural Heritage's registration numberEdit

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TrueAchievements game IDEdit

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PARADISEC CatalogEdit

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CNGB Project IDEdit

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RAL IDEdit

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Gry-Online game IDEdit

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applies if regular expression matches idEdit

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TaDiRAH IDEdit

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Social Blade YouTube channel IDEdit

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Curran Index Periodical IDEdit

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TED speaker numeric IDEdit

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FactGrid property IDEdit

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Goodreads work IDEdit

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Philadelphia Museum of Art person IDEdit

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ID natural monuments in Landkreis Oberspreewald-LausitzEdit

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Bookogs book IDEdit

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BaGLAMa GIDEdit

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Liszt Academy Lexikon person IDEdit

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