User talk:Infovarius

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Regards, --Ymblanter (talk) 17:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Привет, Ярослав :) Infovarius (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I removed chairperson (P488) as it seemed to triggered a constraint issue when I looked at this early this week. I was in the process of locating a property for Red Cloud as the chieftan/chief of the tribe to the Oglala Lakota (Q543386) entity. However the item Red Cloud (Q312721) clearly states his role in the tribe. jshieh (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

France

Hi and Happy Year, I am writing to you to talk about French categories and try to understand each other. I recommend that you look in other similar categories to see that all Wikidata follows this pattern (look at any country or big city in WD). It cannot be that France is an exception.

Greetings, --KajenCAT (talk) 10:48, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@KajenCAT: (We are talking about Q515?) I know for sure that Russian word is different from English and mostly includes "city"+"town". I suppose that French word is also not equivalent to English. --Infovarius (talk) 21:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, about categories. I didn't mean French categories. I see Russian labels and Russian sitelinks (and statements too) and your changes are wrong according to them. For example, Q7030219 is about ethnicity while Q9076545 is about place-connected personalities. Do you disagree? --Infovarius (talk) 21:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, if i'm not wrong, you reverted my edits in French and Russian categories regarding "category of associated people in WD of both countries. I urge you to check any WD of other country or major city on how they are done in. I urge you to check any other country or major city on how they are done. Maybe the category is in the wrong WD, but in any case the english format of Category:X people (countries) and Category:People from X (cities, regions, ...) should go in this category. Please note that your edits are harming the work of the bots of several Wikipedias. --KajenCAT (talk) 20:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@KajenCAT: The problem in ambiguaty of English words. "Russian people" can mean "people from Russia" as well as "people of Russian ethnicity". If you believe that English sitelink use first meaning you are free to move it to Q9076545. The same for all other countries (may be I should overview all of them too). --Infovarius (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Natural History (= Ciencias Naturales) versus modern Anglo-Saxon term Natural Sciences

Hello @Infovarius:, I don't quite understand what were your criteria for reversing the translation of the classic expression "Natural History" to Spanish "Ciencias Naturales", the latter is the term used in all Spanish speaking countries to refer to the Natural History Museums and the academic study of Nature.

You can see the classic definition of the expression in Wikidictionary: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/natural_history.

In the Spanish-speaking world, the expression «Historia_natural» was introduced as a literal translation of Natural History in the 18th century with the proliferation of Cabinet of Curiosities (firts Museums), but later (S. XIX-XX) was changed to «Ciencias Naturales» and, with that name, many Museums (see above) and academic Faculties were founded for its study.

Wikidata should not homogenize the cultural heritage of the different countries based on the "bad" Google translations, to avoid this it would be convenient to check the meaning of «Ciencias Naturales» in different wikis; particularly ru.wiki explains it very well (Естественные науки). In en.wiki: Natural history, in de.wiki: Naturwissenschaft.

In pt.wiki (Ciências naturais), with a long tradition of British culture, they assume both expressions as synonyms: «Além do uso tradicional, a expressão ciências naturais é por vezes usada no dia-a-dia como sinônimo história natural».

I think the confusion between the classical terms of Natural History (= Ciencias Naturales in Spanish) with the modern Anglo-Saxon term «Natural Sciences» is creating great chaos on Wikipedia. Regards and happy new year. --MartinGala (talk) 01:10, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Schools

By all means, please explain how secondary school is not a subclass of school. It's quite literally in the name. A secondary school is a more specific type of school. Currently, the page Casa Grande Union High School is diplaying the warning Entities using the NCES School ID property should be instances of school (or of a subclass of it), but Casa Grande Union High School currently isn't.. There are countless other schools with the same warning. Your edit serves no purpose. kennethaw88 • talk 22:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hello.

Why do you reverse my contributions ????

--ComputerHotline (talk) 07:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@ComputerHotline: please next time be more specific. I guess you mean my de-capitalization? Please read Help:Label#Capitalization and Help:Description#Capitalization. --Infovarius (talk) 22:12, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Q5592

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5592&oldid=prev&diff=1336991991&diffmode=source
What sense does it make?
Did we write about medals as sculptures, do you remember?--Oursana (talk) 23:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Oursana: About this edit: this is relevant information that he had no spouse, how could we derive this without such claim? "Did we write about medals as sculptures" - what do you mean? --Infovarius (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

ok, sorry for the revert. /Obviously sb else reverted medal= sculpture some time ago--Oursana (talk) 19:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Empty pages

Hi

What happens to empty pages like Q26015901 or Q26017239? Will get deleted manually or automatically or they remain intact indefinitely?

Regards Shkuru Afshar (talk) 15:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Shkuru Afshar: They should be merged after merging in Wikipedia. I've done it. --Infovarius (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 00:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

What is an article? Revert

Inquiry about [1]

They are different because Help:Main article (Q23933122)'s Wikipedia page describes the relationship between the main article for a topic and its category.

Project:What is an article? (Q3891539)'s articles describe the fundamental concept of what is a article.

Lectrician1 (talk) 05:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Lectrician1! I was really not careful about this item, judjing it only by it's label. --Infovarius (talk) 05:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Reverted edit on Q1

The value was valid, but it looks like a duplicate... (picture on right)

There are 2 "cosmology"

So that's why I removed the claim. (Your revert is still standing - I didn't revert your revert.) AltoStev (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata screenshot of Q1

Hello, AltoStev. It's just a problem of homonymy. If you look inside these items you'll understand the difference. By the way, they are not duplicated in Russian:) --Infovarius (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Again different orders in botany and zoology

Hi Infovarius, could you pls. help me here. I think Succu's revert of my renaming is wrong. Thank you --Faring (talk) 23:52, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't need your help any more, I've given up. --Faring (talk) 01:46, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Your konw where to discuss problems like this. --Succu (talk) 21:25, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct consultation

Hello, I am writing to you to personally invite you to the ongoing consultation about the new Wikimedia movement's Universal Code of Conduct. Your feedback as an admin and experienced user is of great value for us, and we are extremely interested in hearing your say.

You might express your opinion at any given time and in any way you may consider useful (for example, publicly at the consultation page or on my talk page, or privately via email). If you wish or feel more comfortable, we can also set up an online meeting in order to discuss your opinions and ideas.

Please remember that there is no such thing as a “stupid opinion” or “worthless idea”, so be bold and feel free to express yourself. :) Also, if you wish you can help us involving other users you know and that you think might be interested in having their say in this!

Hope to hear from you soon! --Sannita (WMF) (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

TRNC - RoC

Hi. The TRNC does not claim any territory from the Administration calling itself Republic of Cyprus, maybe the opposite is true though. The "federal republic" on Cyprus came to an end with the Bloody Christmas of 1963, which was indeed aimed at making the Turks of the Island disappear -by killing or forcing them to escape- and converting the federal entity into a Greek State or part of Greece. Did you not know that? (Now you do. :) Have a good week-end. --E4024 (talk) 13:56, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Revert at "physicist"

Hi, I just would like to ask/clarify why you deleted the "academic title" tag. You wrote "no, it's strange". I assume that you are not German, because in German this is 100% correct. The definition in "academic title" is (engl. version): "title to indicate the completion of a course of study or the extent of academic achievement". Now, "Physiker" (German for physicist) is a word which can only be used for people having successfully completed studies in physics at a university (no less). Correctly, in the past, the complete title was "Diplom-Physiker", but everybody said the short form Physiker. Today after some reforms in the 2000s it is "Bachelor/Master in Physik", but I am sure people still say "Physiker". So this is a short form of an academic title in German. I hope I could explain the topic. Apart from that, this whole thing is not of particular significance to me... Pittigrilli (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: I undestand you. In Russia we officially would use this term for professionals too, but don't you have unofficial naming for any who "doing some physics"? Anyway, if you advocate for "Physiker als Titel", it would probably worth to create different item for such definition. --Infovarius (talk) 21:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it is an idea to create "Physiker" als Titel. To your question if Germans don't have the word "Physiker" as an <unofficial naming for any who "doing some physics"> - no, absolutely not. It is really strictly only used for somebody with university degree. People would look very strangely at someone who says he is a P. and then it comes out he is some amateur or has a lesser educational degree. I believe this even goes into the direction of "unlawful activity" like pretending you have a PhD/Dr. (academic title) when you don't. Have a good evening (or night in Russia, I guess...) Pittigrilli (talk) 21:57, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikidate-Storage

Greetings, I see you reverted my edit. When I search for storage, the page warehouse shows up. And it means "depo" in Turkish but another article in Turkish is linked to that page. Nevertheless, I won't revert your edit. Best regards.--Visnelma (talk) 06:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

You do not know Turkish!

1-) First of all, you do not speak Turkish and you come and change what I wrote in Turkish. Don't do that! 2-) You do not know the Turkish spelling rules, so do not change the changes I wrote and do not provoke users towards me! 4-) By the way in Turkish, although the sentence does not end with a period, ellipsis, question mark, exclamation mark, and so on, the first letter of the sentence begins with a capital letter! 3-) Make changes in your native language, not in Turkish!  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doğru Tercüman (talk • contribs) at 17:10, 2 февраля 2021‎ (UTC).

@Doğru Tercüman: and you seems don't know Wikidata. Common rule here is not to capitalize words in labels and descriptions which are usually not capitalized inside sentence. If Turkish capitalizes all nouns (as German) which I doubt, you are free to add this to Q256#P6106. --Infovarius (talk) 20:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

And your descriptions are (sometimes) far from useful and brief. Compare: [2], [3], [4]. --Infovarius (talk) 21:44, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Planetas

Hola, has revertido mi trabajo para separar es:Anexo:Datos de objetos gravitacionalmente redondeados del sistema solar de es:Anexo:Planetas del sistema solar. En algunas wikis solo hay artículos con datos de los planetas y en otras tienen también de los demás objetos redondeados, por lo que yo separé a unos de los otros, pero vos fusionaste y se me hace complicado revertirlo. Te solicito que reviertas lo que hiciste, de forma tal que no tenga que hacerlo de nuevo yo. Saludos.--Nerêo (talk) 22:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll try to find time to look into it. --Infovarius (talk) 19:43, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

landscape as genre

Hi, the genre landscape art is genre of painting (Q16743958) while the item is a photo: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q616159&oldid=prev&diff=1360646150%20 --Hannolans (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@Hannolans: If we don't have specific genre of photo, what is better: 1) to create a new item or 2) to widen scope of landscape art (Q191163)? --Infovarius (talk) 21:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

we have landscape photography (Q1353984) as photography genre (Q3100808) will that fit? otherwise we could check Art & Architecture Thesaurus (Q611299) to add new terms --Hannolans (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Hannolans: yes, it's perfect. --Infovarius (talk) 23:00, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

P17

if you want to add all the former States, please also add the preferred rank to the current State. Otherwise you're creating confusion in any system reading the data --Bultro (talk) 01:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

And, specifically, w4e are having issues at the Russian Wikivoyage. Please stop and correct the rank.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for temporary inconvenience, it is the next step intended. --Infovarius (talk) 22:59, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: Now it's all done. Please check. --Infovarius (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Great, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:41, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

СПб

Там проблема не в том, что другие языки вылезают, а в том, что краткое название замещает собой поле с официальными названиями, привязанными ко времени (см., например, ru:Адриан (Тяжёлов) или ru:Александров, Фёдор Михеевич), поэтому я и понижал ранг. windewrix (talk) 20:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@WindEwriX: Ну так, наверное, проблема в том, что краткие названия (а их может быть много и на разных языках) не должны подменять официальные. Если хочется сокращать официальное, могу предложить добавить квалификатор "краткое название" к нему. --Infovarius (talk) 22:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Putnik поправил, теперь снова стало хорошо windewrix (talk) 08:08, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

An explanation for a subject

Hello, Infovarius. Here you reverted an edit that I made. But I removed the information added by Doğru Tercüman. If you write gerilim on this website, you will see the same information. I was removing this information for copyright reasons. Regards. Uncitoyen (talk) 07:23, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Uncitoyen: Yes, it makes sense (though so seldom in my practice), reverted, thank you. --Infovarius (talk) 13:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

"Et tu Brute"

These words were not the "legendary last words of Julius Caesar". His last words were Καὶ σὺ τέκνον. The phrase "Et tu Brute" was invented in the Middle Ages and popularized by William Shakespeare's play (in which the words are not Caesar's last either).*Treker (talk) 06:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC) ː1 I'd also like to add that "teknon" would be translated more as "boy" than "son". There is also no "my" in the sentence. The most likely translation would likely be "You too boy".*Treker (talk) 13:07, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

@*Treker: this phrase is commonly referred to Julius Caesar, why it can't be called "a legend"? The word "мой" is part of quite frequent citation in Russian. --Infovarius (talk) 19:06, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Things that are provably false are not "legendary", they're just false. And I was talking about "Kai su teknon", not "Et tu Brute" when I mentioned there being no "my" in it.*Treker (talk) 19:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

fyi: https://twitter.com/CSMFHT/status/1371572889078534147 -- Jheald (talk) 21:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Splitting Wikipedia links between two related Wikidata items

Hi Infovarius,

I've noticed that you split Wikipedia links between Q82642) and arterial blood pressure (Q9062560), though they were linked before Wikidata was created.

Wikidata is more precise than Wikipedia about subjects, so there will always be more Wikidata items than Wikipedia articles. The initial only purpose of Wikidata was to centralise interlanguage links. Splitting them between related Wikidata articles goes against that purpose. One way to know if Wikipedia articles are related is to check the redirects. For example, en:Arterial pressure redirects to en:Blood pressure. Same thing for fr:Pression sanguine and fr:Pression artérielle.
Some Wikipedias will sometimes have articles for both subjects, that's not a problem. Just keep the most Wikipedia articles linked together on the broader subject item. The RedBurn (ϕ) 16:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

@The RedBurn: Infovarius did the right thing. If you want to see interwiki links, add redirects as a sitelinks, instead of linking narrow topics to broader ones directly. See Wikidata:Sitelinks to redirects (because linking to redirects requires additional steps, unfortunately). --Lockal (talk) 18:07, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Rationale for this change

Hello Infovarius, I have deleted this subclass because of this help page: "if an item A is an instance of class B, and class B is a subclass of class C, item A is implicitly also an instance of class C. There is no general need to add a statement for the relation A→C to Wikidata"--Joseph (talk) 18:30, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph: of course, I don't really mind this. (One little thing is that it had a source while new value hasn't). My comment was about "dialect" values. --Infovarius (talk) 12:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Nonce word vs. Wyrażenie okazjonalne (Q1499602)

Добрый день. Вы отменили моё изменение на странице переводов, соответствующей статье "Окказионализм (филология)". На соответствующей странице дискуссии я объяснил, почему я удалил оттуда одну ссылку:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q1499602

Ссылка просто ошибочна. Польская статья "Wyrażenie okazjonalne" описывает совершенно другое понятие, чем та разновидность неологизма, которая по-русски называется окказионализмом. Так что предлагаю обдумать этот вопрос и восстановить те изменения, которые я пытался внести. --D.M. from Ukraine (talk) 19:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Reversion in One Man Band (Q785706)

I see that you reverted one of my edits because you said that One Man Band (Q785706) should be an instance of animated film (Q202866) instead of having it as genre (P136), but animated film (Q202866) is an instance of film genre (Q201658) so shouldn't it be used in genre (P136) instead? -- Agabi10 (talk) 16:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced edit

Hi, my edit is from Glottolog. Do you have a reference for your edit?--Joseph (talk) 16:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Coloeus monedula

Hi Infovarius - Corvus monedula is a synonym of Coloeus monedula dating from before genetic data showed that it was less closely related to other species of Corvus than was thought before. So all the wiki pages AND its Commons Category, should be at Coloeus monedula, and not at Corvus monedula as you keep putting it. - MPF (talk) 12:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Lamech(s)

In shortː The Bible offers two different genealogies (as outlined here), which look suspiciously similar. Therefore some academics tend to believe that the two geneaolgies (written at different times by different people) mean actually the same person, but inserted the name in different positions. P460 (this item is said to be the same as that item, but it's uncertain or disputed) perfectly describes that discussion. --Mai-Sachme (talk) 14:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Страны и реки

Проблема в том, что эти страны не всегда правильны. Например, Калининградская Область не была частью "Российской Империи". И можем ли мы сказать что какая-то река, которая могла поменять русло или название 10 раз за эти годы, была частью "Российской Империи"? И если да, то зачем останавливаться на "Российской Империи", не идти назад до "Киевской Руси" и дальше?

Я не видел аналогических ситуаций у рек других стран. Темза - только "Великобритания", а не "Королевство Великобритания", и не "Королевство Англия". Американские реки - только США, Тибр - только Италия, и т.д...

Постараюсь не убирать, но для меня это противоречит другим странам. OBender12 (talk) 12:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

1) @OBender12: Если что-то неправильно, надо исправить. Калининградскую исправил. Пожалуйста, если заметите ещё - говорите, я исправлю.

2) Не могу представить себе реку, которая поменяла русло очень сильно, тем более 10 раз. Можете пример привести? А название никакого отношения не имеет - главное физическая сущность.

3) Я не против идти "дальше" - в Киевскую Русь и т.д. Просто у меня были трудности с алгоритмом определения таких старых стран для каждой конкретной точки. Я сделал то, в чём более-менее уверен.

4) Другие страны просто не занялись ещё этим. Я был бы рад, если бы там тоже кто-нибудь поработал над историей. В реках абсолютный голяк, города и другие населённые пункты постепенно обрастают историческими местонахождениями (см. какой-нибудь Rome (Q220)). --Infovarius (talk) 13:35, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Архивация этой страницы

Добрый день! Не хотите ли перенести старые темы в архив? Здесь тоже есть бот-архиватор. Michgrig (talk) 17:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Не хотелось бы доверять боту эту задачу... Думал оставлять темы, над которыми ещё можно подумать и поотвечать, но похоже не справляюсь с потоком... Ладно, пока сам заархивировал часть. --Infovarius (talk) 13:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

CCCP

Hi Could you automate rankings (if Russia+URSS then Russia=preferred rank) ? Eg that Q1200389#P17--Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 21:41, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I want, really-really want. But I don't know how (yet), I can't... I am trying to find a tool for this. --Infovarius (talk) 21:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Trying a bot request : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests#request_to_uprank_current_existing_countries_%282021-04-10%29 --Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 19:19, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the word Cult

Just for the record, the word "secta" in Spanish and other romance languages does not correspond with the meaning of the word "sect" in English as for the editions you did on Q11038979. I brought the issue here Wikidata_talk:Interwiki_conflicts#Cult_and_sect where is better explained. --Ochentero (talk) 14:56, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Ландскрона

Проставление разрушенной в 1301 году крепости принадлежности к СССР и России - это попытка вандализма? - 176.99.71.33 11:57, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Нет. Во-первых, я расставлял P17 на основе имеющихся утверждений, если не было (и до сих пор нет) "даты прекращения существования", значит продолжает существовать и в России (и, по непрерывности, в СССР). Во-вторых, не "принадлежность", а "государство" (читай: местонахождение). В-третьих, а развалины ("археологическое место"), случайно, не в России сейчас? --Infovarius (talk) 21:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Venus (Q313)

IMO, it is completely unclear which event attendance (P1110) applies to. Ankry (talk) 11:03, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ankry: obviously not event but Venus itself. If the problem is in CoVis it's possible to adjust constraints. --Infovarius (talk) 09:16, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Passport issuance

Hello there, (i don't speak russian sorry), could you please help me find number of passport issued for one year in Russia (and possibly in other russophones countries) ? See : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bouzinac#Tableau_passeports . If you can't find, don't worry. --Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 18:14, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Bouzinac: I can't find the data from state organization but in [5] they say that in 2020 656300 foreigners got Russian passports. And I can't find about re-issuance for own citizens... --Infovarius (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

No pb, thanks anyway. In case you are interested by this topic, here in frwiki https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passeport#Volume_d'%C3%A9mission_des_passeports --Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 20:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Could you add the full query instead?

URL shorteners are not always long lived... [6]--So9q (talk) 08:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

This shortener is a part of Wikimedia world so I hope it would live almost as long as WDQS itself. --Infovarius (talk) 09:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Votre modification relative à Q183173 est incorrecte

Bonjour,

Je remarque que vous avez annulé la modification que j'avais faite sur l'élément Q183173. Pour votre information, cette modification a été faite sur base de la définition très claire du Grand Larousse encyclopédique (10 volumes), publié en 1962 :

Hygromètre n.m. Météorol. Appareil qui sert à mesurer l’humidité de l’air. (V. part. encycl.) - Encycl. Météorol. Les hygromètres mesurent, suivant leur type, l’humidité absolue, l’humidité relative, ou des valeurs qui permettent de calculer les deux précédentes.

Si vous lisez les définitions en anglais et allemand relatives à l'élément Q183173, vous verrez qu'elles disent exactement la même chose. Le fait que l'image illustrant l'élément Q183173 montre un hygromètre mesurant l'humidité relative n'est qu'illustrative d'un type d'hygromètre particulier et ne justifie pas de restreindre la définition à ce seul type. Je vais donc annuler votre changement. Je suis heureux d'avoir pu vous apprendre quelque chose, et vous souhaite une excellente journée. --Duvivier.Michel (talk) 10:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Duvivier.Michel: D'accord. Seulement il faut a commencez par une petite lettre - je la change. --Infovarius (talk) 14:11, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Astrology

La descrizione italiana di astrologia nell'elemento Q34362 è sbagliata, correggilo cortesemente così: "Scienza sacra basata sull'analogia fra Terra e Cielo stellato, microcosmo e macrocosmo".--84.220.137.65 16:34, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Why do you think that your's right? Astrology is the pseudoscience ("false science" how we call it in Russian). --Infovarius (talk) 14:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Heritage designation P1435

Пожалуйста, поясните, какие задачи вы решаете своими заданиями #53564 (обс) и #53632. Avsolov (talk) 21:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Мне бы не очень хотелось использовать административные полномочия, но если в этой теме и теме ниже не последует ответа, а правки будут продолжаться, у меня может не остаться других вариантов.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:19, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Infovarius, на всякий случай, обращу ваше внимание, что сущности для местных/региональных/федеральных ОКН уже существовали. Я объединил вновь созданные вами сущности Q106636485, Q106636489, Q106636501 с уже существовавшими Q23668083, Q105835744, Q105835766. Также есть ещё Q105835774 (выявленные) и Q105835782 (с признаками). Avsolov (talk) 19:28, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Avsolov, Mitte27: Добрый день. Честно говоря, не понимаю, в чём проблема. Увидел обсуждение на Talk:Q8346700 и решил наконец заняться. Я просто добавляю статус там, где его не было (согласно категории) и уточняю там, где можно (где включено в конкретные подкатегории, типа этой). Кажется, в некоторых местах произошло дублирование более общим классом? Я уберу его, давайте только придём к согласию по остальным пунктам. В частности, User:Mitte27, почему вы оставляете дублирующие классы наследия (более общее при наличии частного)? --Infovarius (talk) 14:00, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Удаление ОКН

Добрый день! Зачем вы массово удаляете ОКН-статус у памятников? [7][8]. --Mitte27 (talk) 07:41, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Давайте это в совокупности обсудим. --Infovarius (talk) 07:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Merge of Q10972285 and Q11027905

Hi Infovarius,

Thanks for your reminder. In fact, it was my first attempt trying to merge 2 items on Wikidata. You imply that during the process many site links have lost, but I did it with the "Merge with" feature, which I thought should merge all data including the site links. Considering that these two items are identical concepts and content, I believe they should be merged. How should I do it? Please let me know, thank you.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 06:10, 3 мая 2021‎ (talk • contribs) at Aquacryst (UTC).

Let's discuss at Talk:Q10972285. --Infovarius (talk) 20:49, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Special:Diff/578483913

You added that Ivan Švear is a Russian, and in the edit after this Special:Diff/578483937, that he speaks Russian. Edits after this used this information, and put descriptions like "Russian historian". Ivan Švear was born in what is now Croatia, then Habsburg Monarchy, and died in Croatia, or Kingdom of Hungary then. He wrote the first Croatian history book in Croatian language. I can't find any source of him having any ties with Russia. I'll fix the item, but you should check other items you edited with the same source or method. I hope you didn't just tag every Ivan as a Russian :) --Janjko (talk) 14:44, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, Janjko, my fault. There can be some more errors probably but not many - I've done this semi-manually. --Infovarius (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Aruba

There is already Aruba (Q31884901). I didnt know either. Aruba consists of the main isle, and two very small islands just before the coast.--Hannolans (talk) 13:26, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

nation Who's on First ID revert

Regarding this revert. Um, nation is a concept. 85897669 Who's on First ID is for a neighbourhood in Switzerland. --Bamyers99 (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Your revert

(i.e. this change): As a Hebrew speaker, I can tell you that the hewiki article is misnamed, and it is about Young's modulus (Q2091584) and not elastic modulus (Q192005), which is a broader concept, and does not have (to the best of my knowledge) a corresponding article. Nadav S (Talk) 19:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

My Google translator is enough to understand that the content of the article includes other modules too. Doesn't it? --Infovarius (talk) 18:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

No. It does speak about the relation between E and G, and how this relates to a 3d strain, as a passing note. It however does not mention the bulk modulus at all, and has no intention to do so. If you read carefully, it (unfortunately) equates Young's modulus with "the" elasticity modulus, as if there is only one.

Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the subject to properly correct the article, but as it is, I'm quite sure I'm right. Nadav S (Talk) 12:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

So, G is one of the topics of the article? --Infovarius (talk) 20:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

It is mentioned, but not as a topic. Nadav S (Talk) 11:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I take your silence as a sign of acceptance. So, unless you say otherwise I will redo the change tomorrow. Nadav S (Talk) 05:19, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I realized only now that you've already undone your edit. Thank you for your patience. Nadav S (Talk) 11:13, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

semolina (Q381350) vs grys (Q29056749)

Hi. In 2019 you merged grys (Q29056749) into semolina (Q381350). But these are not the same thing. Grys is very general. It means "fine-grained groats" and can be made from common wheat (kasza manna), durum wheat (semolina), corn (kasza kukurydziana), potatoes (grysik ziemniaczany), rice (grys ryżowy/ryż łamany), spelt (grysik orkiszowy), etc. On the other hand semolina is specifically made from durum wheat. So semolina is a subclass of grys, not its duplicate. I believe the merge should be undid. --Tengwar (talk) 16:29, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tengwar: ok, let's try to unmerge. Please then fill this item with labels and statements. --Infovarius (talk) 20:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Infovarius:I started adding additional info to the new item, but then I found durum wheat semolina (Q95370124), which is separate from semolina (Q381350). It looks like in some languages (like Polish) semolina is fine groats (grys) or coarse flour from durum wheat, but in some it means fine wheat groats (grys zbożowy) and in some, it is the same as grys (fine groats from any grain or even any granulate from plant). What's more, in some languages (like Esperanto) there seems to be a distinction between semolina and grys, but the distinction does not seem to be based on whether it's made from durum wheat or any grain. So it's a mess and it looks like there needs to be a general reshuffle of labels, Wikipedia links and statements. Seems like we'll need some speakers of other languages to sort it out because Google Translate randomly mixes terms. (E.g. it confuses semolina, grys, grain, and soft wheat farina (kasza manna) which makes the translations unreliable.) Later I'll make a report on the interwiki conflicts page to give this issue some visibility. --Tengwar (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tengwar: yeah, it can be a mess, look also Q3505415. I've tried some time ago to untangle different foods made of these groats (start at Q257971) but they are even more numerous in different countries. --Infovarius (talk) 11:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Q9314638 > Q8900281

There we go again :) Please check this merger, is it correct? The items had different categories at Commons. —capmo (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Крымские объекты

Прошу убрать приоритет России для крымских объектов, там где вы его установили. [9][10][11] --Mitte27 (talk) 13:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Прошу прощения, но ради нейтральности вместо этого нужно поднять и Украину (я этим займусь). --Infovarius (talk) 11:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Вы будете исправлять эту ситуацию или нет? --Mitte27 (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

????? --Mitte27 (talk) 11:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia (Q33946)

You have reverted my revision of Czechoslovakia (Q33946) in which a removed statement shares border with (P47)Polish People's Republic (Q211274) (difference). I am persuaded that this statement is redundant, because there is already statement shares border with (P47)Poland (Q36) and it includes Poland with it's whole history. If there should be the statement which I have removed, there should also be statements of all historical forms of Poland (and other coutries). Which way do you preffer? I do you know if is there some community consensus? --Albert Horáček (talk) 14:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Albert Horáček: Ah, I didn't notice Q36. For me yes, there should be all historical states, and forms of Poland too, but this is not-consensual. Some say that Q36 existed in all times but in different forms. Which is silly for me, because e.g. before 1918 it was not a sovereign state but only a part of sovereign state (Q34266), but this is even more complicated in XX century... --Infovarius (talk) 22:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

batch #55097 dropping references

Hi! In this change you removed the reference from a claim by first removing the claim and then adding it back. Was this what you intended to do? Bovlb (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bovlb: Not intended, it's a problem of batch editing with PetScan and QuickStatements. But this reference is not important imho... --Infovarius (talk) 22:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Not the most important reference, I agree, although it's always nice to know where information came from. In any case, I was able to find a much better reference for that specific claim. I was more concerned about whether this might indicate a wider tool problem with inadvertent trimming of references. Bovlb (talk) 00:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Aha, it's just "remove-add" procedure because PetScan can't change value of statement :( --Infovarius (talk) 08:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Церковь в элементе епархии

Доброго времени суток. Подскажите, пожалуйста, есть свойство или ещё какой вариант указать в элементе епархии к какой церкви (православной, дохалкидонской и т. п.) относится епархия? --Qh13 (talk) 13:03, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

• 2. Просьба заархивировать эту СО, реально палец устаёт, пока до своей темы колёсико мыши докрутишь. --Qh13 (talk) 13:07, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

  @Qh13: я этим особо не занимался, могу лишь предположить. Возможны такие варианты: part of (P361), religion or worldview (P140), located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607), P8929 (P8929). 2. Можно нажать "end", или ткнуть в содержании. --Infovarius (talk) 20:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

  • 0) Имею привычку некоторое время следить за СО, где пишу. 1) Спасибо, но 4-е — для персоналий; 3-е не подходит, т. к. если епархия — это обычно территория, то церковь — это прежде всего организация, хотя часто курирует определённую территорию; 1-я — уровня костыля; так что остаётся тот вариант, который я выбрал для себя: religion or worldview (P140) с квалификатором "относится к". Поспрошаю в рувики (думаю, что здесь на форуме задавать вопрос без толку — народу мало). --Qh13 (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Subway modelling on adjacent station (P197)

Hello, thanks for the great work! May I raise some questions ?

if you go only with the #does not work wdt:P81 wd:Q834482;, the maps shows very bizarre, but looks OK when working with wdt:P81 wd:Q617574; . Any guess?

Have you got any thoughts on some oddities close to some stations in the map?

#defaultView:Map{"hide":["?coords", "?line","?rgb"]}
SELECT ?station ?stationLabel ?coords ?line ?layer ?rgb (SAMPLE(?image) AS ?image) (SAMPLE(?opening) AS ?opening) WHERE {
  ?station wdt:P31 wd:Q928830;
   #does not work wdt:P81 wd:Q834482;
          wdt:P81 wd:Q617574;
    wdt:P625 ?coords;
    wdt:P81 ?subwayLine;
    wdt:P197 ?pred.
  OPTIONAL { ?station wdt:P18 ?image. }
  OPTIONAL { ?station wdt:P1619 ?opening. }
  ?pred wdt:P625 ?cds;
    wdt:P31 wd:Q928830.
  BIND(IF((xsd:double(?depth / 10 )) = (xsd:integer(?depth / 10 )), ?cds, "") AS ?coords)
  ?pred (p:P625/psv:P625/wikibase:geoLatitude) ?lat1;
    (p:P625/psv:P625/wikibase:geoLongitude) ?lon1.
  ?station (p:P625/psv:P625/wikibase:geoLatitude) ?lat2;
    (p:P625/psv:P625/wikibase:geoLongitude) ?lon2.
  BIND(CONCAT("LINESTRING(", STR(?lon1), " ", STR(?lat1), ",", STR(?lon2), " ", STR(?lat2), ")") AS ?str)
  BIND(STRDT(?str, geo:wktLiteral) AS ?line)
  ?subwayLine wdt:P465 ?rgb.
  SERVICE wikibase:label {
    bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en".
    ?subwayLine rdfs:label ?layer.
    ?station rdfs:label ?stationLabel.
  }
}
GROUP BY ?station ?stationLabel ?coords ?line ?layer ?rgb

Run it!

Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 22:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Infovarius Unfortunately, in addition to some wierdness next to Perovo and Novogireevo, there are other drawbacks of the request for Moscow Metro that you showed:

• the same wierdness between Vladykino, Otradnoye and Bibirevo (north of line 9, grey).
• the same wirdness between Krylatskoye, Troitse-Lykovo and Strogino (north-west of line 3, blue). It may be because T-L is a technical platform and is not specified as next stations for Krylatskoye and Strogino.
• no stations of lines 1 (red), 2 (green), 15 (pink) at all.
• only south-east part of line 7 (violet) is displayed.

Michgrig (talk) 06:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bouzinac:, sorry, this metro is not my work completely. Probably you can discuss it with @Putnik:. --Infovarius (talk) 20:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Анастасія

Привет!

Спасибо за это. Вчера на статью был массовый вандализм и я удалял ее, чтобы убрать вандальные редактирования с истории, а тут видимо из-за этого автоматически удалилось. --Mykola7 (talk) 11:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Past Second Definitions

Regarding the move of the tropical year numerical value in second (Q11574). That long decimal for a second in terms of tropical years is not a conversion. There was a start and end time qualifier because it was the past offical SI definition of a second. When it was redefined in terms of Caesium-133, that conversion ratio became differnet (or at the least not to the number of decimals that were there). Since a tropical year is not a constant in terms of seconds anymore (it changes very slighly every year), I don't think it should be kept as a conversion and should go back into the numerical value with those qualifiers TB5ivVaO1y55FkAogw1X (talk) 18:31, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

there are organic oxocarbons too

mellitic anhydride (Q420390) is an organic oxocarbon (Q1778613) so please stop reverting. --SCIdude (talk) 06:18, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

See also naphthalene-1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8-octacarboxylic acid anhydride (Q107360534). --SCIdude (talk) 07:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I would not call them "carbon oxyde" but ok. --Infovarius (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Село Украины

Объясните, пожалуйста, в каких АИ выделяется тип населённого пункта "село Украины" и в чем его отличие от всех остальных сёл мира? --Kosun (talk) 19:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kosun: Дело не в АИ, далеко не все классы в Викиданных взяты из АИ, а в удобстве и здравом смысле. Пусть отличие не всегда очевидно, оно потенциально может быть и лучше точнее классифицировать. Нет такого понятия как "село мира" - в каждой стране по-своему понимают. Посмотрите, сколько сейчас копий ломается в вопросе city<>город<>town... Сравните, например, с Индонезией: https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2225692&lang=ru - с каким именно подклассом вы ассоциируете "все остальные сёла мира"? Или есть например urban-type settlement in Ukraine (Q7216840) vs. urban-type settlement in Russia (Q15078955). Кстати, в Украине есть отличие между деревней и селом? --Infovarius (talk) 21:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Тут есть еще вопрос (возможно, отдельный, а, возможно, в рамках той же проблемы), что селам Крыма не надо ставить "Село Украины". Есть отдельный объект village of Crimea (Q41501164) - видимо, его и надо ставить. Michgrig (talk) 10:28, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Your recent undos

Hi. I noticed you undid three of my edits, in which I removed the instance of (P31)=genre (Q483394) statements from three items about manga target audiences (1, 2, 3). Well, there is a growing consensus at WikiProject Anime and Manga to deprecate them as genres, just to let you know, and I removed the statements per my reasons here in that discussion. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:20, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Инкубатор vs черновики

Здравствуйте. Не могли бы Вы объснить, почему Вы приравняли инкубатор к черновикам? По смыслу он относится именно к Articles for creation. То есть он предназначен для новичков, которые только учатся писать статьи. К черновикам Инкубатор имеет крайне косвенное отношение, поскольку опытные пользователи тоже пользуются черновиками. -- D6194c-1cc (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Здравствуйте. Разве Articles for creation - это не "Википедия:К созданию"? --Infovarius (talk) 19:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Нет, это аналог инкубатора, почитайте у них на странице проекта: en:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation. Вот небольшая цитата: "AfC works as a peer review process in which experienced registered editors can either help create an article submitted by an anonymous editor or decline the article because it is unsuitable for Wikipedia". --D6194c-1cc (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Не будет возражений, если я интервики снова поменяю? --D6194c-1cc (talk) 16:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Combines "word class" vs "by word class"

Hello

[12] -- are you sure that adding "word class" is useful when "by word class" is already listed? If only one of them is to be used, then "by word class" is IMHO preferable. Here "word class" is a criterium, not a "real" topic. Taylor 49 (talk) 23:08, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. I've changed in totality. --Infovarius (talk) 15:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Undo revision 1457752792 by Dingsuntil

Maybe I don't know how wikidata is supposed to work, but I would not call the subject (Nakamoto) a mathematician. I know a bit of math myself, but I don't do math for a living, so I would call myself a programmer or an engineer or a computer scientist or something like that, but not a mathematician. The same goes for Nakamoto. "Cryptographer" is even a bit of a stretch, but insofar as bitcoin involves a lot of applied cryptography it fits well enough. But you can't call everyone who knows lots of math a mathematician. Dingsuntil (talk) 22:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dingsuntil: Well, even it's not their profession ("earn for living"), inventing new mathematically-involved (yes, cryptographical) thing means to be a mathematician in some sense. I believe. --Infovarius (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Well as I say, I'm a software engineer, which means that I work on mathematically-involved things all day. Math is a big part of what I do, but I'm not a mathematician, I'm a programmer. Similarly, a mechanical or electrical engineer who designs new physical products may invent a new thing which is mathematically involved (by way of engineering). But none of us are mathematicians, because being a mathematician means you don't do those things, you just do math. Calling us all mathematicians is silly.

In any case, I dislike calling Nakamoto a mathematician because, apart from being inaccurate, it smacks of fanboy bullshit. It sounds like trying too hard to make what he did sound more impressive. Which I don't think should be considered necessary. You could easily say that big software engineering achievements are more important and impressive than pure mathematics. I think you could make the case that linux is a big deal in this way. I'm not so sure about Bitcoin, but I don't think calling it math makes it better. It could easily be said that it's more impressive than math, and not just for its impact. But when you call it math & call Nakamoto a mathematician you sound try-hard, and you're mostly just going to annoy people who understand the subject. Dingsuntil (talk) 18:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Q573

Hi :-) the problem with this is topic's main category (P910): there should be just one "main category" for that item. Now there are two of them, and I removed the most "different". I though Category:Day (Q8364508) was more suitable. But of course we can talk about that. Pick one and correct the other one :-) but please, leave just one of them. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 16:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Did you read my message? --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 21:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Would you be please be so kind to answer me? :-) Thank you, bye. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 09:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @Superchilum:. I understand your formal approach but sometimes it is impossible to choose the one. Here, how do you think what main topic of Category:Days (Q7152582)? --Infovarius (talk) 22:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, at last an answer! :-) I think the most appropriate in that case is Q205892. I know that there are some "difficult cases" sometimes, and it's not easy or almost impossible to resolve them, even if ideally that means that in those cases the systems "categories/articles" are not properly done and should be fixed. I think that proper couples are Q8364508/Q573 and Q7152582/Q205892, but Q6675695 is also a good candidate. Maybe @Epìdosis: has somehow resolved in this way and this way. Could it work? --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 20:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

In this case Epidosis's solution could work. --Infovarius (talk) 22:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

пьеса Гомера

Чего это у вас "Илиада" внезапно в пьесу превратилась[13], когда это поэма? В куче персонажей исправляю, это смешно. --Shakko (talk) 12:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Shakko: ой, и точно, виноват. Попробую найти инструмент для глобального исправления. --Infovarius (talk) 15:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

я вроде поправила все, что поиском бралось. --Shakko (talk) 15:50, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

language (Q315) vs language (Q34770)

Hi Infovarius,

Thanks for your many contributions, but I am not sure to understand why you have reversed my changes on the entity language (Q315). This entity should not be used as a language (Q34770), like I explained in the talk page of language (Q315). Look at the descriptions in every languages, and the Wikipedia article associated with this entity (except the English one, which is ambiguous). They are all describing this entity as the capability to communicate, while language (Q34770) is described as the set of signs used to communicate. Look at French (Q150), English (Q1860), Russian (Q7737), and many others, they are a language (Q34770), not a language (Q315). We should not maintain the ambiguity between language (Q315) and language (Q34770), and be clear about the differences between the two. CaLéValab (talk) 11:06, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

By the way, I am beginning to correct the hundred of languages and subclasses that are language (Q315) while they should be language (Q34770). CaLéValab (talk) 11:19, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Class of fictional entities

I was being guided by metaclass (Q19478619) and I hadn't realized it was variable-order class (Q23958852). Now that I have checked it, I have realized the error. Thank you, although only a "Why not?" I found it a bit concise but better than what others do :) --Fantastoria (talk) 08:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fantastoria: so that's what was! Sorry, I didn't understand the reason of your change (except its incorrectness), so I couldn't add more comprehensible comment. --Infovarius (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Btw about facility (Q13226383): now there's only superclass (though the most narrow) which fits "only partly". That's why I prefer to see some superclass which fits fully. --Infovarius (talk) 17:54, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

If class A is not completely included in class B, then class A is not a subclass of class B ... if I have understood the concept of class correctly. Instead, has part(s) of the class (P2670) would be used. Anyway, could you show me an example of facility (Q13226383) that isn't human-made geographic feature (Q811430)? Maybe it's an idiomatic perception on my part or a faulty description of the item. --Fantastoria (talk) 08:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fantastoria: park (Q22698), cemetery (Q39614), swimming place (Q12004466) etc. Yes, I agree that "partial superclass" is a bad idea. --Infovarius (talk) 22:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

About Pages :significant other Q841509 and Q188790

Why does this make sense from your point of view. Do you speak Arabic and do you speak Danish? I am Danish, and I master Arabic very well. I asked a colleague to merge both pages and this is what I find most logical Manar Kurdia (talk) 14:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Manar Kurdia: I must confess that I don't speak either Arabic or Danish. But I want to admit that concubinage (Q188790) is specifically about historical phenomenon (in Ancient Rome and similar), do you really want to move Danish link there? Also please explain me why the link doesn't fit Q841509? --Infovarius (talk) 17:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Infovarius:I have reconsidered the articles. It turns out that you made the correct edits. It seems that there is a confusion in the information of the Arabic article. I will talk to a colleague there to correct it.Manar Kurdia (talk) 20:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Unreal Engine (Q608276) is not a valid value

Unreal Engine (Q608276) is about the SERIES of game engine, not a specific engine--Trade (talk) 15:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't object. Do you refer to some my edit?.. --Infovarius (talk) 18:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Meaning of capital (Q5119)

Hello,

I saw you reverted my deletion of capital from Venice, IMHO the only capital in Italy is Rome. Can you please elaborate?

Thanks --Francians (talk) 06:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Francians: Isn't there a meaning of "capital" which allows to say "capital of a region", "capital of an administrative division"? --Infovarius (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Use the property capital of (P1376) instead of capital city (Q5119) --Francians (talk) 13:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Class vs. property: unsolved issue. --Infovarius (talk) 20:21, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

It was an oversight

I didn't do that to other items. Thanks for correcting it. Nana yaa series (talk) 23:19, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

philosophical literature (Q13408937)

Hi Infovarius,

I see that you added again creative nonfiction (Q20669574) and philosophical fiction (Q20737414) as superclasses of philosophical literature (Q13408937). But philosophical literature (Q13408937) can't be at the same time creative nonfiction (Q20669574) (which is subclass of nonfiction (Q213051)) and philosophical fiction (Q20737414) (which is subclass of fiction (Q8253)). Moreover, the only Wikipedia article attached to this entity defines philosophical literature (Q13408937) just as literature about philosophy. Nothing about fiction or non-fiction. What do you think ?

CaLéValab (talk) 13:11, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I think there are both fiction phylosophycal works and non-fiction. So probably, for class purity, it's better to have disjointed items for these types of philosophical literature (Q13408937). --Infovarius (talk) 11:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Q212071

FYI, my messing with this (and chancellor, university president, etc) was trying to clean up the difference between a 'university president', 'chancellor', or 'rector' who is actually the 'ceremonial head' (hands out diplomas, position but usually not a job) of the school, vs those who actually hold the role of CEO of the university corporation (literal boss of university staff, actual fulltime job)... and the titles of the roles appear to be mixed around at different schools. Not saying you 'broke that' at all, just explaining the distinction I was trying to make. Jarnsax (talk) 21:40, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

university head (Q108392111) vs university chief executive (Q108399377) Jarnsax (talk) 21:44, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Jarnsax: it's a good and ambitious task! I can't summarize for all universities in the world, but in Perm State University (Q2031051) "rector" is a real manager, while "president" is like a honorary title. --Infovarius (talk) 13:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Right now, I'm working on actually 'collecting' Canadian schools into classes like university in Alberta (Q108402705) using the membership list pages for a number of the organizations (like Canadian Association of Research Libraries (Q1032048)).... for Alberta, the province themself actually sorts the public schools into categories (hence the disjoint union thing). My intent (what I think makes sense) is to classify them down to the level of the governmental entity (in Canada, the province) that actually regulates them, since that's where the actual distinction between public, private, college or university is 'defined'.

Oddly (and incorrectly) when statements for those exist, they often mislabeled as an 'affiliation', which is wrong. For a university, an 'affiliate' is an affiliated school (Q2983860).

Carleton University (Q1041737) is the school where I have made the most progress, see Chancellor of Carleton University (Q108388648), President and Vice-Chancellor of Carleton University (Q108390860), and Board of Governors of Carleton University (Q108388749).

looking at derived statements is useful, btw, regarding what I'm doing... like, the ex chancellors are actually stated on the person, not the office (tho they should probably be on both). Jarnsax (talk) 17:17, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Just as a side note, it's also helping me find stuff like https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2983573&diff=1493652520&oldid=1366668472 which is very common. Jarnsax (talk) 17:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@Jarnsax: for me as non-English speaker it is always confusing to use word "school" for higher education institution (Q38723). In Russian, equivalent word means specifically for children - school (Q3914). Are you sure that you cleanly distinguish these classes of educational institution (Q2385804)? --Infovarius (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

I misspoke above, using the term 'school' generically... You are right, school (Q3914) is for children, split into primary school (Q9842) and secondary school (Q159334), and then higher education institution (Q38723) is split into college (Q189004) (undergraduate only) and university (Q3918) (undergraduate and graduate). I haven't messed with anything that far down the 'tree', I think those basic divisions are pretty global, just need regional subclasses for places where they are actually 'defined' in some way (like Post-Secondary Learning Act, 2003 (Q108415443) does for Alberta (it defines classes of public post-secondary schools) Jarnsax (talk) 16:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

There can be cultural differences though. For me, secondary school (Q159334) is more general than school (Q3914) and college (Q189004) are not higher education institution (Q38723). But you are right in the main point - regional classes are the solution. So, good luck with Canadian education system! --Infovarius (talk) 15:13, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that those divisions (school, college, university) or their translation are the 'correct name' everywhere.... even in the US, it's not unusual for a university faculty to be named something like "School of Arts and Sciences". I just meant the actual 'division' into primary, secondary, undergraduate, and postgraduate education seems to be pretty global, under whatever names... school, college, and university are generic terms used in US English, but the actual names of institutions are pretty random. I'm using the database at https://www.cicic.ca/ (The Canadian Information Centre for International Credentials) as an 'impartial' way of discriminating them, since Canada doesn't have actual 'accreditation bodies'.

If interested, I'm 'documenting' what I'm doing at User:Jarnsax/Higher education in Canada... this would be impossible to keep straight otherwise. Jarnsax (talk) 15:13, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Reverted

Yes, it's wrong. It should say 1 CE instead of 1 BCE. Those edits were made by an editor who made a series of vandalism. The next time, especially when you don't know Vietnamese, ask somebody first before reverting. Greenknight dv (talk) 17:15, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

This little mistake, mentioned by you, worth fixing not totally removing. Sorry for inconvenience and thanks for the new description. --Infovarius (talk) 13:40, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

abandoned project and project cancellation as reason for deprecation

Hi, I see you found a better target to merge into; thanks! I feel that only project cancellation (Q28846358) feels right as a Wikibase reason for deprecated rank (Q27949697) (as opposed to abandoned project (Q21514702)). Would you agree? --Azertus (talk) 14:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Azertus. Yes, it makes sense for me. But it should be discussed somewhere (at Talk:Q21514702?) --Infovarius (talk) 11:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Смена власти на Украине в феврале 2014 года

Здравствуйте! Почему вы считаете что русскую статью ru:Смена власти на Украине в феврале 2014 года надо связать с элементом Revolution of Dignity (Q15733401) (который про всю революцию на Украине с ноября по февраль), а не с элементом change of power in Ukraine in February 2014 (Q56356011) (который про кульминацию революции 18-21 февраля)? Да, в самой статье ru:Смена власти на Украине в феврале 2014 года в разделе Предыстория событий описываются и период начала революции, но само название и основное содержание посвящено именно кульминации революции 18-21 февраля. Логичней, как мне кажется, связать статью с change of power in Ukraine in February 2014 (Q56356011). --Somerby (talk) 14:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• Так как вы не ответили, то я скоро планирую вернуть ссылки. --Somerby (talk) 09:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Reverting

Hi Infovarius, sorry about all the trouble with those reverting IPs on all those Polish and Cyrillic-related items. All the IPs who've been edit-warring there have been globally banned vandal en:User:Wikinger, both the ones who are ostensibly trying to remove the "Sibinia" hoaxes and the ones reinserting them (Wikinger sometimes likes to revert-war against himself). That's annoying, of course. It doesn't change the fact that the Sibinia hoaxes need to be cleaned up though, and it's probably unavoidable that some bits of useful info might occasionally get lost in the process. Just as an example, I have of course no objection to you reinserting Clement of Ohrid as a creator on the "Cyrillic" page – I think when I removed it it was actually a mis-click, as I meant to remove only the fake reference link. But that bogus reference link to that fake manuscript page image actually does need to go, so I removed it again just now. Hope you'll understand. Cleaning up the mess from that Sibinia/Kriestovo Nysian hoaxer has been a huge drain. Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk) 14:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi! It is good that they are not autoconfirmed - it allows to track all the changes. I am trying to extract all good knowledge and to revert nonsense. And probably I also need administrator help but to semi-protect some items. IMHO, now at many items in my watchlist reverts of them are even more harm than their edits... --Infovarius (talk) 09:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Фото пермского стрелка

Убрал ссылку на фото пермского стрелка, поскольку оно сделано с отзеркаленного видео. Считаю, что подобные "откорректированные" изображения некорректно использовать без соответствующих пояснений (а лучше просто взять другое). Автору изображения написал об этом на странице обсуждения файла --Mike Somerset (talk) 09:00, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Как в Викидата выполнять действия с комментариями, я так и не понял. --Mike Somerset (talk) 09:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@Mike Somerset: А какая разница, отзеркалено или нет? На иллюстративность это не влияет. --Infovarius (talk) 21:52, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Смотря что считать под "иллюстративностью". Если сам факт наличия изображения, то, наверное, не влияет. Если считать, что иллюстрации должны изображать людей и места, описанные в статье, то тут, очевидно, что отзеркаленная иллюстрация может вводить в заблуждение читателя. --Mike Somerset (talk) 04:43, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Articles

I just remove all duplicates differing only by the capitalization. 83.7.24.252 06:21, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

It is -tch and NOT -tsh in English, since -tsch is only in German. What edit warring? IPs now are editing normally, especially me. 83.26.158.23 07:29, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I have no problems with both of you. --Infovarius (talk) 19:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Q124794

Hi, about that: I removed the "topic/tasting" property, because the element is on "taste", not on "tasting", and there's already a "taste" property on Encyclopædia Britannica Online for this element. It's a not inherent property by me. -- L'Ospite Inatteso - I love to love you 17:54, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Denmark - Q35

I would say that the Denmark sovereign State is the Denmark itself, just like France that has other overseas territories. --Andyrom75 (talk) 07:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Andyrom75: there is no French kingdom now. Correct analogy would be a Kingdom of the Netherlands (Q29999) which is a sovereign state now, while Netherlands (Q55) is a country within it. So they (not me) consider Denmark (Q35) not a sovereign state by itself. --Infovarius (talk) 14:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Stepsibling

How can something be the opposite of itself?*Treker (talk) 10:58, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@*Treker: It's about inverse function (Q191884) - there are relations which are inverse to itself. E.g. relation "brother of" for 2 brothers. --Infovarius (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Первое упоминание Перми

Коллега, имя городу Пермь дала Екатерина II в 1780 году — её указ и есть первое письменное упоминание Перми. До этого не было никакой "Перми" как населённого пункта, соответственно и письменных упоминаний о нём быть не могло. Факт наличия поселений на территории Перми до её основания никто не отрицает, но это, возможно, какой-то другой тип утверждения, но уж точно не "первое упоминание" о собственно предмете статьи. Например, сейчас в территорию города входит бывшее село Верхние Муллы, которое упоминается вообще в 1579 году. Но никто в здравом уме не будет отождествлять упоминание этого села с упоминанием собственно Перми.

Hyperion

Hi I saw that you reverted my removal of the coordinates from Q425608. I removed them because they were unsourced. For the reference it says they were imported from the German Wikipedia, but the German Wikipedia does not include the coordinates. I am not a regular Wikidata user so I do not know how things work around here but surely if there is no source they should be removed right? CapitalSasha (talk) 23:13, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Q16882371

Hi Infovarius, if you have a source that the name Ruff (Q16882371) comes from the French, see also Ruff, in: Digitales Familiennamenwörterbuch Deutschlands, URL: http://www.namenforschung.net/id/name/1669/1. Best regards, --HarryNº2 (talk) 15:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi HarryNº2, I just see a number of French people with this surname (e.g. Jeanne Ruff (Q107501721)). Also now I see many Americans in enwiki, probably this surname is also used in English. --Infovarius (talk) 19:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

The question is where the name comes from, not where it's commonly used. For example, the surname Ostrowski is used by around 1000 people in Germany, but it still remains a Polish name. There is the same name like Yilmaz, which occurs at least 4600 times in Germany, but still remains a Turkish family name. --HarryNº2 (talk) 20:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about tool

Hello Infovarius, how did you do that: [14]? Is there some kind of tool? I looked for it but I could not find it. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav: yes, add importScript('User:Harmonia_Amanda/namescript.js'); to your common.js. --Infovarius (talk) 20:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Юзербокс для участника проекта Россия в Викиданных

Привет. Благодарю тебя за присоединение к Wikidata:WikiProject Russia. Сейчас стоит нам цель привлечь больше участников Викиданных из русской Википедии, чтобы проект работал вовсю, а также создать специальные юзербоксы, означающие членство в данном проекте. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 15:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Здание Пермского цирка

Здравствуйте. Я сожалею, но это здание было снято с охраны как объект культурного наследия. Именно поэтому я убрала из ВД соответствующие номера и добавила новую соответствующую категорию в статью о цирке. Сейчас еще дописала об этом две фразы в самой статье и дала ссылку на соответствующий документ. -- Екатерина Борисова (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

UPD: И еще раз здравствуйте. Хочу сразу сказать, что не воспринимаю ваше стремление проставить в ВД здания пермского цирка номера ОКН как "войну правок", а воспринимаю, в общем, как желание уточнить информацию, тем более что вы проставили там даты начала и окончания пребывания этого здания в статусе ОКН. Однако после того как вы вернули в ВД эти номера, они (точнее, один из номеров) появился в шаблоне-карточке статьи о здании в поле Статус, а это появление автоматически создает категории объектов культурного наследия. И это создает путаницу и приводит опять-таки к неточности информации. В качестве выхода из положения я вписала в поле Статус фразу-заглушку, которая одновременно описывает текущий статус здания и мешает появлению в этом поле номера ОКН и соответствующих категорий. Прошу отнестись к этому с пониманием и не отменять эту правку по вышеуказанным причинам. -- Екатерина Борисова (talk) 20:53, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Здравствуйте, Екатерина. Спасибо, что отслеживаете изменение статуса. Да, я хочу оставить эту информацию как историческую. Если автодобавление текущей категории - нежелательное явление, то это нужно исправить. Нужно отключить отображение параметра "статус" вообще, если наличествует дата окончания. У меня самого пока не получилось, написал запрос. --Infovarius (talk) 14:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Главное, чтоб ваш запрос поняли точно и не отключили отображение этого параметра вообще совсем везде)) А если всё получится, напишите мне об этом, пожалуйста, чтоб я знала, потому что это немаловажная деталь в таких вот непростых случаях. -- Екатерина Борисова (talk) 14:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Q7251002 prostitution among animals

i thought there it was better for birds Ldhank (talk) 18:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Random deletions

Please stop deleting random statements from number items. If you think the data model should be revised, please proposed this first. Your approach is not constructive. --- Jura 17:32, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Airampoa (Q15710702)

Tunilla (Q286419) is a superfluous of Airampoa (Q15710702). --Succu (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Alexander Borissovitch Doweld: О роде Airampoa Frič (Opuntioideae–Cactaceae). --Succu (talk) 21:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Q981513 atheist

Hi! Do you have a source for this claim? Bovlb (talk) 15:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bovlb: Note that actually I didn't add this claim but just adjust the value. --Infovarius (talk) 10:07, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata:Lists/lexemes/ru

Hi, there is suggestion that Wikidata:Lists/lexemes is translated. However, there is Wikidata:Lists/lexemes/ru, which you seem to have interest in and which first needs to be moved to a different title. Please suggest what you want to do with the page. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 17:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk pages

Hello. Regarding reverts like this and this, may I suggest that you use talk pages for questions or discussions? Toni 001 (talk) 09:06, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Revision history of "Eve" (Q830183)

Hi, you reverted my changes with the comment "unexplained removals". Dumb question, how do I explain this? I don't seen an option in the interface for leaving an edit summary. Ar2332 (talk) 09:17, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ar2332: Sorry, this is not trivial indeed. You can add mw.loader.load( '//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lockal/EditSum.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' ); to your common.js. P.S. So what's your explanation of removals? --Infovarius (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Here is the explanation I gave on the talk page: "Eve is a Biblical character, and the Bible never mentions these children as existing. Some later commentators and followers of the Bible propose that Eve had these additional three children (or other similar children), but others disagree. So there is no consensus for these characters existing (in the frame of reference where Eve did exist)" Ar2332 (talk) 16:34, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

non-fiction literature (Q27801)

Hi Infovarius,

Thank you for correcting some errors I made during my last few editing days.

However, about non-fiction literature (Q27801), I'm not sure I did something wrong. Let me explain how I see it (but I may be wrong) :

non-fiction work (Q20540385) is the genre/class while non-fiction literature (Q27801) is the set of literary works which are non-fiction work (Q20540385). non-fiction work (Q20540385) should be used with genre (P136) or instance of (P31) while non-fiction literature (Q27801) should be used with part of (P361). It just comes out of the very nature of the words "non-fiction literature" and "literary non-fiction". Something "is a literary non-fiction" (instance of (P31)) or something "belongs to the non-fiction literature" (part of (P361)). But a book cannot "be a non-fiction literature", that makes no sense, at least in English. I'm not against merging both items however, but if both items remain, I think the difference should be made clear between both. That was the purpose of my edits.

CaLéValab (talk) 21:43, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Infovarius: I see that you go on reverting some of my contributions, in particular fiction literature (Q38072107), saying as for non-fiction literature (Q27801), that it should be discussed. I'm here to discuss the issue. I explained my point of view on the message above. In addition to what I said on the previous message, the issue of genres that are only the intersection of a form and a more general genre, has been discussed on the book wikiproject, and such genres should not be used anymore. @EncycloPetey: confirmed it on my discussion page (EncycloPetey could you tell me if I'm wrong about this one). fiction literature (Q38072107) and non-fiction literature (Q27801) have been used as genres, and now they should not been used that way (fiction (Q8253) and nonfiction (Q213051) should be used instead). So fiction literature (Q38072107) and non-fiction literature (Q27801) should not be used as genre anymore, and I'm in the process to replace them by the more general genres on every book that uses them. If we add this fact to what I said in the previous message, deleting "genre" from fiction literature (Q38072107) and non-fiction literature (Q27801) makes lots of sense, and is in line with what the community expects. If I'm wrong, and the community is not expecting that, please explain it to me. I can make mistakes but I'm eager to learn. CaLéValab (talk) 12:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@CaLéValab: With "non-fiction literature", I am not sure you have determined the distinction correctly. We'd need to first look at the two data items, and their attached Wikipedia articles, and might even need a multi-lingual team to disentangle the two. Based on the English label, I might have made a different choice. Many of these labels have not been classified correctly and will need clean-up before they can be applied consistently. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Hindi literature (Q1322592)

Hi @Infovarius:, you said : "each piece of Hindu literature is a piece of general literature". Yes, exactly, that's why Hindi literature (Q1322592) is an instance of sub-set of literature (Q109551565) which has the property "part of" literature (Q8242). I suppose that an instance inherits the "part of" properties of its class (but to be verified : I've asked a question about that on Help_talk:Basic_membership_properties but got no reply). If that's not the case, I will do a batch quickstatement to add a "part of" -> "literature" to every instance of sub-set of literature (Q109551565). CaLéValab (talk) 13:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It's a hard question. Probably it's better to discuss at Talk:Q8242. --Infovarius (talk) 21:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

literature (Q8242)

Hi @Infovarius: "a literary work (Q7725634)" is not "a literature", but only "part of literature". So literature (Q8242) is not a subclass of literary work (Q7725634) or creative work (Q17537576). literary work (Q7725634) however is a subclass of creative work (Q17537576), because something could be "a literary work (Q7725634)", and when something is a literary work (Q7725634), it is a creative work (Q17537576) as well. literature (Q8242) is the set of all literary work (Q7725634). So literature (Q8242) has part(s) of the class (P2670) literary work (Q7725634).

As for "literature is a subclass of art", I'm not sure that to say "everything that is a literature is a 'art as a concept'" makes sense. I would say literature is a form of art, that's all. But I'm not going to revert that change, since it could be discussed. CaLéValab (talk) 15:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Is water a medication

Hi,

I'm very confused by your revert on liquid water (Q29053744): Special:Diff/1528898070. Water obviously not a medication and the brand names are also obviously wrong (for instance the first one "Activase" is the brand name for alteplase (Q45769835) which is very trivailly not the same thing, water has for formula H2O while Alteplase has C2569H3928N746O781S40 - same for all the other brand names).

If this statement kept, we should at least deprecate it, what do you think.

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 16:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, VIGNERON. But why not? Some intoxications can be healed with pure water. Drugbank ID is obviously adequate for the item. What about brands like "Airlife Sterile Water for Inhalation USP" or many "distilled water"? --Infovarius (talk) 21:32, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Mhhhh, not fully convinced. If we took the sense lato sensu, then anything can a medication (is marriage a medication for celibacy?). The only thing that water really heal is deshydration (thirst), for everything else, the water is just a compound or a tool (often as a solvent) not a medication in itself.

For "distilled water", then it should be on distilled water (Q274959) not liquid water (Q29053744) (but the drugbank page don't mention "distilled water", which again is weird).

To settle this, I think we should look for other references that consider water to be a medication.

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 19:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Vigneron. Water is a fundamental ingredient of the human body and cannot be considered medication, not any more than bread could.

Just because it has DrugBank ID doesn't make it a drug/medication. Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Vladimir Alexiev: Your arguments are... just not arguments. If something is ingredient of the body, it's can't be a medication? DrugBank ID doesn't make it a drug but doesn't make it not drug too.

@VIGNERON: Sorry, not "distilled water", but "sterile water". Which item is better for this term? Sterile Water /is used/ for Inhalation, Bacteriostatic Water /is for/ Injection Intravenous and Intramuscular, it is a part of "First Aid Kit" for Ophtalmic needs - a little too much uses for "non-medication", er? Also it is classified as "Irrigating Solutions" and "EENT Drugs, Miscellaneous" and even "Other Miscellaneous Therapeutic Agents". Even if we can't call it "drug" sensu stricto (but I am not a physician and have no qualification for such negation), it's so immersed in the drug classification that it's easier to call it "medication" at least conditionally I believe. --Infovarius (talk) 20:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Infovarius: it seems you are not talking about the general "water" concept but about a specific concept, like Water for injection (Q1539975). And yes, this one is clearly a medication. The problem with drugbank is that it seems to mix very different things (which is very important when it comes to medecine, using the wrong medication can be dangerous or even deadly). I keep thinking that liquid water (Q29053744) should not be indicated as medication, nor have the DrugBank ID (P715) (I just noticed now that it isn't there and the id 09145 is both on water (Q283) the even more general concept and on distilled water (Q274959)). The situation is already a bit messy, I hope we could clean a bit this mess. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

E-number

Hi Infovarius, please check latest version of Regulation (EC) No 1333/2008 before you add/re-add E numbers. There a various cases where INS numbers are incorrectly added as E numbers. Regards --Bert (talk) 23:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Creation vs specific economic activities

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q385378&oldid=prev&diff=1532851100

• I removed construction (Q385378)subclass of (P279)creation (Q11398090)
• You asked "why not"

Because:

• ANY human activity that produces something (a good or service) can be considered creation. To be consistent, you'd need to add that superclass to all of them.
• In particular, any NACE, NAICS, SIC etc economic activity (Q8187769) would be considered creation.
• Then add that super-class to economic activity (Q8187769), but not to every different economic activity

--Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

If anything "can be considered creation" why not to have creation as (at least indirect) superclass? I am not so bold to derive that any economic activity (Q8187769) is a creation of something. What about burning wastes? --Infovarius (talk) 20:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Предупреждение: постоянные и необоснованные отмены правок

Добрый вечер, коллега. Насколько я понимаю, после моего последнего обращения к Вам, увы, ничего не изменилось. Уже на протяжении долгого времени, Вы постоянно и необоснованно отменяете мои правки. Ещё раз предупреждаю, прекратите отменять правки других участников, не разбираясь в ситуации, так это неконструктивно. Вот эта очередная и совершенно необоснованная отмена на этот раз стала последней каплей. Цитирую: Why then Apple Tv, Watch and other devices are allowed? Простите, Вы серьёзно или шутите? Вы отменили мою правку, чтобы просто задать вопрос? Прежде чем отменять мою правку, Вы должны были заметить вот этот дифф. Там была выделена ссылка на данное свойство, где поясняется, что iPhone и iPad не следует рассматривать как платформы и что вместо этого следует использовать общий элемент iOS (Q48493).

Кроме того, здесь также был поставлен шаблон {{Autofix}} для бота, который заботится о правильном использовании свойства platform (P400). Следовательно, вот эта Ваша правка здесь очень напрасна, так как оба элемента всё равно будут удалены уже удалены и заменены ботом (см. здесь). Я настоятельно рекомендую Вам отменить Вашу правку самостоятельно и приступить к обсуждению на соответствующей странице. Что касается Apple Tv, Watch и других устройств, то при необходимости можно будет обсудить их включение в этот список.

Теперь вопрос к Вам. Пожалуйста, объясните мне, зачем было нужно отменять мою правку в данной ситуации, когда Вы могли просто перейти сюда, открыть новую тему и чётко объяснить то, что Вы не понимаете? По какой-то причине Вы же предпочли написать невнятный комментарий и отменить правку и так каждый раз ... Я постоянно продолжаю получать от Вас необоснованные пинги об отмене моих правок, честно говоря, я уже устал от этого и требую хоть какое-то объяснение Ваших действий. Можете ли Вы как-нибудь прокомментировать подобное поведение и почему, вместо того, чтобы открыть обсуждение, если Вы чего-то не понимаете, Вы просто отменяете правки с невнятным комментарием? С уважением Kirilloparma (talk) 19:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Вероятно, я не увидел действительно полезного вашего описания правки. Я руководствовался тем, что я написал - сравнение AppleTV и iPhone. Оба являются видами устройств и странно видеть одно из них в списке, а другое удаляемым. iOS вместо iPhone в качестве платформы, видимо, имеет смысл, я согласен. А в чём принципиальное отличие AppleTV и Watch? (я не в теме) неужели в одном из них iOS, а в другом нет? Infovarius (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Instance of physical object

Hi, You reverted me here. In doing this, you break SD on Commons. It is necessary that newspaper (Q11032) to be an instance of physical object (Q223557) to use it on SD on Commons, e.g. File:Kjøbenhavnsposten 28 nov 1838 side 1.jpg. Please don't so that. BTW newspaper (Q11032) is missing instance of (P31), which is necessary according to WD modeling. Thanks, Yann (talk) 19:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Yann: You are wrong. newspaper (Q11032) can't be an instance of object because it has no specific location in time and space, in fact it's a class of some physical objects. Each instance of newspaper (Q11032) would be an instance of object but this should be inferred by superclasses. So according to WD modelling there should be no P31 claims while there should be P279 claims. If something breaks at Commons, you should fix it at Commons, but not break WD modelling instead. Thanks. --Infovarius (talk) 20:44, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

There is nothing to fix on Commons. SDC is based on Wikidata, so everything has to be designed here. So what do you propose? Yann (talk) 22:17, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

How to describe Flying Spaghetti Monster Q12044?

Hello, i think we should use similar tags as other deities of monotheistic religions, and: add qualifiers for questionable values P3680 'statement supported by' and P1310 'statement disputed by' - that way offend everybody, but hopefully prevent unnecessary corrections (also - it helps if references will be filled). Zdzislawdyrman (talk) 08:39, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

finale / endgame / эндшпиль (Q332225)

Hi Infovarius, "finale / endgame / эндшпиль" (Q332225) in a chess game is a technical term, which designs, a technical phase of a game with few chess pieces on the board. It is not like a part of a competition. For example, a football (soccer) or handball match is like a chess game. The finale is similar to the ten minutes of a football (soccer) or handball match when a team has one player more than the other team, and the team tries to win the match. The finale is not a stage in a competition.--Cbigorgne (talk) 19:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

human biblical figure and geographical coordinate

With reference to the discussion [15] I tried to set a constraint on human biblical figure (Q20643955) that coordinate location (P625) could not be used. But may be a bit to advanced for me to do I may also ask you if you have any opiniinon how to module a ship wich was a ship and now is a shipwreck. Re Juras ansver in the discusion mentioned and for incstance Titanic (Q25173)? Pmt (talk) 22:19, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Persepolis

Happy new year Anton! :) One question: taking into account that Persepolis already has capital of Achaemenid Empire (P31 & P1376) and Achaemenid architecture (P149), is it necessary to put "Achaemenid Empire" and "Macedonian Empire" in P17, as you did? I personally edited few thousands of Iranian historical sites and I used P17 only for today's country, never historical ones. --Orijentolog (talk) 08:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: Happy new year to you too! Yes, I am pretty sure, that there should be P17 for every possible time period (with current value as preferred). --Infovarius (talk) 21:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, it means you did not make a mistake, I searched about that particular issue and saw that there's no consensus. I reverted you only because I tend to keep unification with thousands of other Iranian sites. There are two more reasons why I prefer not to put historic states; when they put historic one on the top here on Wikidata, infobox on Commons does not show current location properly (it should be: place, district, county, province, Iran). Second and the biggest problem is that Iran has some 22 major dynastic periods (see here A-Z) so twenty more can be put only for Persepolis. Not to mention tens of thousands of others sites, which would require hundreds of thousands of edits. That's why my habit here is to put only specific styles (Q17993891, Q5718239, Q5957125...), instead of listing historic dynastic states. --Orijentolog (talk) 05:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: 22 is not too much... and hundreds of thousands of edits are possible. But I am not sure that "dynasty" should be mixed with historical states. Compare e.g. Umayyad dynasty (Q45646) and Umayyad Caliphate (Q8575586). To my mind in addition to Q207991 there should be an item for "دولت شاهنشاهی ایران". So I still believe we should have all historical values. But as for Q17993891, it probably corresponds to specific period only, so for such items single value p17 is quite enough. --Infovarius (talk) 23:05, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not strongly against, just I'm thinking of the most practical solution. For example, if there are thousands of historical buildings in Shiraz or Isfahan, I believe it's more useful to make such lists for cities (or administrative divisions), instead for every individual building. Some Wikipedia articles are having such lists as "Historical affiliations" table (example: Brussels) and it's highly useful, especially for editors like me who tend to make architectural periodization for all sites.

Regarding the foundation of Persepolis, the date of "560 BC" is 100% wrong, so I changed it to 510s BC with two references. Precise year is not known, various authors give staring year as 519, 518, 515 or 511 BC. Speaking of Andre Godard's assumption: (1) it's little bit outdated, (2) it's an approximate date based on the beginning of Cyrus' reign, (3) the hypothesis that Cyrus the Great founded Persepolis is doubted, and it's actually based on the idea that Takht-e Rostam was built by Cyrus (or Cambyses), however, that site is some 4-5 km far from Persepolis.

Anyway, thank you for caring about Iranian chronology, personally I dated thousands of artworks and buildings by 681 years and 167 decades, often backed with strong references here on Wikidata, and from personal experience I can say that some 30% dates given by Wikipedias (English, Persian, etc.) are incorrect, unfortunately. So don't take "560 BC" from Russian Wikipedia as a fact. --Orijentolog (talk) 15:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

removed E number

E Numbers are defined as numbers for food additives approved for the use in the European Union. Approved E numbers are defined in Regulation (EC) No 1333/2008. There is confusion with INS numbers by the FAO, which are similar but not the same. INS numbers are without the E at the beginning, see here. In Wikidata there are various items, like Ammonium chloride and cupric sulfate, where an INS number is wrongly used as E numbers. Regards --Bert (talk) 09:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Infovarius, I had situation earlier that the deletion of a wrong E number was reverted by another author. It might be an option to add another identifier "INS number" to WIKIDATA? Unfortunately, I am not experienced in creating new properties in WIKIDATA. But, as I see you are very active here, maybe you can help? Regards --Bert (talk) 21:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bert.Kilanowski: it is possible at Wikidata:Property proposal. How many values different from "E number" do you expect? --Infovarius (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I have recently updated the List of food additives at the German Wikipedia. There you can see the direct comparison. Strikethrough E numbers are no longer valid. There are E number without corresponding INS (e.g. E 127) and INS without E number (e.g. INS 134), Substances which have different INS and E number, like Orecin (E 121 / INS 182) and numbers which are used for different substances, like 225 (E 225 = calcium disulfite; INS 225 = potassium sulfite). Regards --Bert (talk) 09:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Q107090982 Yelena Popova

Are you certain that Yelena Popova (Q107090982) the Russian physicist is the same person as the one who is an artist at https://www.instagram.com/pelena_art/? It doesn't seem likely to me and there is no indication that they are the same.UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 23:43, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@UWashPrincipalCataloger: yes I know her personally. --Infovarius (talk) 20:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah great! It would be really great if you could add some sort of reference that shows she is both a physicist and an artist. Otherwise, other editors might also think that two different people are on one item. Happy New Year! UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Horizontal jump revision

track and field (Q3312129) is a combination of track and field sports respectively. I don't want to make field sports subclasses of track and field (Q3312129) or that would be messy. Therefore, it should just remain field (Q188869). Lectrician1 (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind I put the wrong field value. It's fixed. Lectrician1 (talk) 19:27, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

It was correct

I don't know why you changed that but it was correct. Mike210381 (talk) 22:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mike210381: aren't these articles more close to Polish one? --Infovarius (talk) 15:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

No, they aren't. Mike210381 (talk) 19:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Sidereal month(s)

Hello again! I'd appreciate your comments on this:

I claimed sidereal month (Q14907142) to be an instance of (P31) lunar month (Q591259) based on the definition being singular, in spite of it being imprecise. Joachim Herrmann writes (my translation from Swedish): "We may also define the month in another way. The time it takes for the Moon, after one cycle, to again reach a particular star in the Zodiac is called a sidereal month, and it has a length of 27d 07h 43m 12s."

Herrmann doesn't spell it out explicitly, but that period is of course both approximate and variable, depending on which star is chosen. Is that what you are referring to with your comment that there is not just a single "sidereal month"?

I won't insist that the claim in Wikidata should refer to the definition rather than to the multitude of periods that might be observed, but I think a case could be made for "sidereal month" to be considered both an instance of the class of lunar month definitions and a subclass of a near infinite number of actual measurable periods. Or what do you say? --SM5POR (talk) 09:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I mean more that it is a class of time intervals (though of equal duration), so it should be a subclass of more broad class of time intervals. --Infovarius (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Asclepius

You reverted my edit to Asclepius and asked "What's wrong?" The problem is that saying he's an "instance of" Q41873360 just doesn't make sense. I don't recall seeing a raw code like that popping anywhere else in any similar datafield. Q41873360 isn't a descriptor in any language and provides no useful information. And since I couldn't see what the Q41873360 page itself was trying to achieve, or how to fix it, it just seemed easiest to cut the link from Asclepius.

I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes, and I see you've done some work on Q41873360, so can give it a meaningful label, that would be great.

The immediate problem for me is that we have an infobox for the Asclepius page on Cywiki that imports data from Wikidata, so we have the entirely meaningless Q41873360 label appearing in it. --Craigysgafn (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)