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Привет, Ярослав :) Infovarius (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I removed chairperson (P488) as it seemed to triggered a constraint issue when I looked at this early this week. I was in the process of locating a property for Red Cloud as the chieftan/chief of the tribe to the Oglala Lakota (Q543386) entity. However the item Red Cloud (Q312721) clearly states his role in the tribe. jshieh (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Shantar Islands

Hello. The Korean description of Shantar Islands is already within the contents of the document. So it doesn't have to be there from the description. It doesn't have to be that specific. So there's no need to reverse it. I don't know English, and I'm using a translator. Therefore, a machine translator may exist. Mamiamauwy (talk) 15:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I am ok with short description. --Infovarius (talk) 18:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Voldemort Wikidata Czech aliases

Hello. How is Czech aliases of Voldemort in Wikidata, I later found out that "Pán zla" (literally "Lord of Evil") is in Czech translations of Harry Potter is used for translation of "Dark Lord" than "Temný pán", which is not so used. I rather put both there. Alík2002 (talk) 08:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Q326073

Здравствуйте, коллега! Подскажите, пожалуйста, почему вы откатили мои правки с пометкой «излишне и немного неправильно». Разве в месте рождения и смерти не нужно государство и административно-территориальная единица? — KirillQQ (talk) 05:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@KirillQQ: В идеале не нужно, потому что это вычисляется из соответствующей наиболее точной АТЕ. Например, в Ivanovo (Q2630) среди значений свойства P:P131 на соответствующую дату (1938 год) видим значение Ivanovo Oblast (Q2654), а Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Q2184) тем более не нужно, оно уже дальше по цепочке находится в Ivanovo Oblast (Q2654). В то же время для места смерти Moscow Oblast (Q1697) почти неправильно, т.к. не является следующим уровнем. Следующий уровень мы опять-таки находим в Shchyolkovo (Q198369) - Shchyolkovsky District (Q4145619). P.S. В данном случае всё вычисляется, в других может не хватить каких-то данных, тогда квалификаторы будут конечно добавлять информацию, но лучше её внести в соответствующие АТЕ. --Infovarius (talk) 18:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Спасибо большое! — KirillQQ (talk) 08:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Duration of "The Pianist"

Hello, you reverted my edit of the duration of Roman Polanski's "The Pianist" (Q150804) from 143 minutes back to 148.7 minutes with the comment "look at the source". I previously did that already, but only looked at the stats in the left sidebar on the page (https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/the-pianist-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0zmzq1nta) and did not click on any of the headings on the right. Anyway, I now know that the theatrical version was indeed 148.7 minutes long. However, I would like to argue to change this to 149 minutes. A fractional running time for a film is highly unusual on WikiData. I've requested the running times for a couple hundred films from WikiData for a data science project and only "The Pianist" has a non-integer running time. So how do you feel about changing the running time from 148.7 minutes to 149 minutes? -- Zamomin (talk) 09:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Why would it be unusual? For shorts like Mike's New Car (Q1072759), a fraction of a minute is a significant fraction of the running time. For data science purposes, you can always round as needed.--Jasper Deng (talk) 11:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did end up rounding the entries. To your point: It's definitively unusual for feature-length films in a statistical sense of the word. I have data for a bit over 300 films in my data science project and only "The Pianist" has a floating point number as its duration, all others are integers. I think standardizing its running time to an integer would improve the data quality. However, I'm a newbie here on WikiData and since you think it's not a problem, I won't harp on it any longer.--Zamomin (talk) 12:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. I see no harm in having more exact time. As Jasper said, one can always round it. --Infovarius (talk) 20:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Bashkortostan coordinates

My coordinates pointed at the Дом правительства building containing, among other things, the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Bashkortostan (Q4231503), and are at 54.716667 N, 55.941667 E in decimal format. The coordinates you changed them to point to remote area (Q106690126) and are at 54.466667 N, 56.266667 E in decimal format. So as far as rounding they are the same, but in terms of pointing at something 54°43′ N, 55°56.5 E are better. Abductive (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Abductive: hello. My main point was in reducing accuracy. Also I have rounded in terms of degree-minute-seconds. There's not much sense in choosing some particular building for such a big region. I would use some geometrical center but it is really hard to calculate. --Infovarius (talk) 19:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

That building is the headquarters of the government of the region. Abductive (talk) 19:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

abandoned fandom wikis

regarding this edit: the community of this wiki moved to to a different domain. The fandom wiki can still be viewed and edited but at the time it seemed it didn't receive any more updates and was subject to spam. Thats why I set all these fandom ids to deprecated. If you don't agree, or the community is comming alive again, we can still undo this. Shisma (talk) 09:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

"It can still be viewed and edited". And it is in Fandom. It is sufficient to have normal rank as a value, I suppose. --Infovarius (talk) 19:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

country of origin vs country

I'm working on the principle that product models like Yakovlev Pchela (Q1051720) have country of origin (P495), not country (P17). Only individual instances of an aircraft, like one in a particular museum, should have a country, the contemporary country now. Vicarage (talk) 09:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

It makes sense. --Infovarius (talk) 19:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello, i know its on another platform but seeing your high profile i was wondering if you would be able to help with a error on a wikipedia page Greenfrog23 (talk) 09:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Greenfrog23: What's question? --Infovarius (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

multi-sport event

Hello Infovarius, you have reverted my edit at "multi-sport event" (Q167170), so now please fix also "2024 Summer Olympics" (Q995653), because I previously added "sport" statement with "multi-sport event" value there. And after your revert, that statement has issues - value-type constraint. (I was trying to fix it so that's why I edited the "multi-sport event".) Maiō T. (talk) 22:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Maiō T.: hello. Interesting issue, I don't have a solution right now. I notice that other Olympic games do not have sport (P641), may be on purpose, but probably we can find some value like Q167170 (but probably different). May be better to discuss wider. --Infovarius (talk) 22:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Q4425371

Добрый день

Мог бы ты не добавлять в Q4425371 значения параметров inception, mass, length? Дело в том, что под обозначением "Снайперские винтовки Калашникова" известны 2 винтовки, значительно отличающиеся по характеристрикам. В Q4425371 сейчас добавлено изображение второго образца, но указанные характеристики относятся не к нему. Год разработки второго образца и вовсе неизвестен.

См. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Снайперские_винтовки_Калашникова Msgevans00 (talk) 10:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Msgevans00: Спасибо, понял, про массу и длину тогда неверно. Дату создания может можно добавить, как общую? А массу и длину я добавлял их карточки на рувики, получается, надо поправить карточку? --Infovarius (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Я бы не стал добавлять дату, как общую: год разработки второго образца неизвестен.

По массе и длине — нюанс в том, что сейчас в Q4425371 указаны масса и длина первого образца (Калашникова), но изображение в нём — второго образца (Пушина и Крякушина). Такое вот несоответствие. Поэтому и предложил не добавлять вообще Msgevans00 (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Каркассон

Почему вы отменили правку? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17262&oldid=2100252030 в игре Каркассон нет как такового специального поля, на котором происходит игра - тайлы выкладываются на любой поверхности CupIvan (talk) 20:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Reversion

Hi. Using this as a reliable reference is like writing Russian history through Ukrainian nationalist authors... CFA1877 (talk) 13:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@CFA1877: Ok, may be a source is bad. But there's a country (read: national entity with historical background) "Catalonia", I wonder which item is the best for it? --Infovarius (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I know the meanings of the term "country", but it can be problematic and conflictive if an actor uses it in an exclusive way (which was the case). By that way, if we open the door of wikidata to sectarian actors, at this rate Kalmykia or Taristan will end up becoming occupied territories whose relationship with Russia is anecdotal. You ask me about items to use. Q10742, that is already present and it's official. And Q2736168, which is present too and it's the official term (didn't you say "national entity with historical background"?). Nothing more, just these two terms. Something similar to Q5187, which only includes the official term and not others such as region, autonomous republic, occupied territory, ancient oblast, etc. To me it's quite clear that the claims of the Chechen separatists have no basis to modify the wikidata page and include their position. CFA1877 (talk) 20:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

historical nationality (Q2736168) is probably a good replacement for "country", let me think. As for Chechnya, we have also Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (Q210036) and Ichkeria (Q2577465). In Tatarstan (Q5481) we have additional "non-recognized state" class. --Infovarius (talk) 21:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Régions françaises

Bonjour User:Infovarius, merci pour votre message. Je pense qu'il faut nous libérer du présentéisme : tous les items décrits comme Q36784 sont des régions françaises. Certaines sont existantes en droit positif, d'autres ne le sont plus, un jour certainement plus aucune ne le sera, mais ça ne signifie pas que le concept est obsolète. En ce moment j'améliore les éléments sur les divisions administratives françaises pour ne pas se limiter à la situation présente mais pouvoir aussi décrire la situation à d'autres moments dans le temps. J'espère que vous y trouvez ce que vous cherchez, sinon on peut regarder cela plus précisément. Arpyia (talk) 19:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Arpyla: D'accord, je veux la même chose. Bon, comment peut-je obtenir le liste de "anciennes régions françaises"? Infovarius (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

President not always of a federation

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q30461&diff=prev&oldid=2133547782 Sergej Andropov (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

President of a specific entity not a class

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133557136 Sergej Andropov (talk) 13:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I replied. Can you also add Fast id https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133567143 ? Sergej Andropov (talk) 10:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

how to model books in WD

please check it out: Wikidata:WikiProject Books ايمو کي ڀڄايو (talk) 21:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Q15932790

Why should Q15932790 be separated from Q643669? Its related wiki articles are all translated from en:Generator (mathematics). Its unique name is zh:生成集合, but the Chinese wiki article has been moved(renamed) to zh:生成元 (数学), corresponding to en:Generator (Mathematics) and Q643669. --Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 05:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that in Wikidata we don't link "articles" and "disambiguation pages" (pages with several topics in it) together. There is a formal sign of "disambig" - presence of some disambig template (here we see zh:Template:mathdab) which adds magical Mediawiki word "DISAMBIG". This separation is sometimes arbitrary but quite strict. So if you want to link en and zh pages, you need either add some disambig template to en, or remove disambig template from zh (and better to expand the article). --Infovarius (talk) 10:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for explaination. I think those pages such as en:Generator (Mathematics) might be better to be tagged as a disambig page. However I was unable to edit them, as I was banned (due to my IP range), except Chinese Wiki (due to IP block exemption).--Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 10:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

My merging on wikidata was motivated by linking these pages in different languages together. It seems that I have to manually add links on the body of page.--Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 10:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, manual interwikis are the possibility for linking. Infovarius (talk) 21:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Adpositional senses

@Infovarius,@TomT0m,@ZI Jonyː While I do appreciate your corrective edits to my [1] subpage, I don't intend to continue maintaining it as an ever-growing collection of all the gripes I have with linguistic information in Wikidata,but I'd like to move my proposals to appropriate project or discussion pages elsewhere, which is why I started that recent thread on the Lexicographic data Discussion tab. Maybe I should use a Talk page associated with the Documentation tab (i.e. closer to the problem) instead? SM5POR (talk) 09:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Guided missile cruiser

Hi Infovarius. Regarding Q1361980, "Rocket cruiser" is an incorrect name, and wikidata should probably point to Guided-missile cruiser, but an error pops up when I try to do so, stating:

The link enwiki:Cruiser is already used by Item Q104843. You may remove it from Q104843 if it does not belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same topic. If the situation is more complex, please see Help:Sitelinks.

The help page linked to wasn't really helpful in trying to fix the problem. Do you know how to fix this? Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 21:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Adding redirect directly requires one more action - adding badge "intentional redirect". I've reconnect as you said. --Infovarius (talk) 21:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

legal form

Hey Infovarius, regarding your revert at Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (Q460178). I think it is better so keep the values of instance of (P31) for legal forms at the highest possible level. In that case, this would just be legal form (Q10541491). It is clear, that it's a type of legal entity in Germany (Q19335303) from its applies to jurisdiction (P1001) value (Help:Basic_membership_properties). We have the same discussion with values like type of business entity (Q1269299), in the end, we would have to create instance of (P31) values like "legal form for business entities in germany" or "legal form for anonymous societies in tunesia". In the same way, Angela Merkel (Q567) has as P31 only human (Q5) and not politician (Q82955). Best Newt713 (talk) 18:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

ישוע

Здравствуйте, уважаемый коллега, вы вернули имя ישוע. Скажите, пожалуйста, где можно увидеть источник, согласно которому: имя Ἰησοῦς Χριστός было записано именно на арамейском, и именно как ישוע, а не иначе на арамейском или не на древнееврейском как יהושוע‎ или ещё как-либо?--Wlbw68 (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Справедливо. Запросил источник в ru:Пентаграмматон. --Infovarius (talk) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Спасибо за понимание. Wlbw68 (talk) 15:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Lord's Supper / participle revert

Hello, maybe there's something I'm missing about how Wikidata works, but why is it necessary to state that participle (Q814722), a grammatical concept, is different from communion (Q66086), a religious rite? Jberkel (talk) 22:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I added this because they are denoted by the same rare word in Russian. --Infovarius (talk) 21:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, ok, it makes more sense with the qualifier now. Jberkel (talk) 14:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Шаблон:Внешние ссылки

Hi Infovarius: I would like to suggest that you update the links to Brill (Q917031) encyclopedias in the Russian authority template Шаблон:Внешние ссылки because these encyclopedias changed their links a few months ago, and Russian Wikipedia articles no longer successfully open links at their source from this Authority template.

These are my suggestions for updating the template script:

1. Encyclopaedia of Islam (first edition) ID (P9878): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EI1O/$1.xml
2. Encyclopaedia of Islam (second edition) ID (P9862): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EIEO/$1.xml
3. Encyclopaedia of Islam (third edition) ID (P9879): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EI3O/$1.xml
4. Encyclopaedia Islamica ID (P11926): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/ISLO/$1.xml
5. Encyclopaedia of the Qur'ān ID (P12575): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EQO/$1.xml
6. Dictionary of Qur'anic Usage ID (P12633): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/DQUO/$1.xml

As you can see below, revoked and obsolete links are still present in the template.

1. https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-1/*-$1
2. https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-2/*-$1
3. https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-3/*-$1

Kind regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 07:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

de-nominalist church

Hi, could you please add some description to this item? I guess you understand the linked WP articles better than I do with Google Translate. I'd like to understand how it differs from religious denomination (Q13414953) and it could be useful for other editors as well. (I looked for the hyphenated form in the English-language article, but to no avail.) Thanks in advance. Adam78 (talk) 09:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

third-order chemical classes

@Infovarius: I removed group or class of chemical entities (Q72070508) and several of its subclasses from third-order class (Q24017465) because {Q|72070508}} is a subclass of group or class of physical objects (Q98119401), which is a second-order class (Q24017414). This results in a contradiction because second-order and third-order classes are disjoint. You appear to want {Q|72070508}} to remain as a third-order class. Why? What makes {Q|72070508}} a third-order class? If this is to remain, then the subclass link to group or class of physical objects (Q98119401) needs to be removed. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

vehicle family

vehicle family (Q22999537) is a subclass of model series (Q811701), which makes it a third-order class and not a second-order class. If it is not a third-order class, then it should not be a subclass of model series (Q811701). Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage:

Aaah, it looks as if there are a number of classes related to vehicle family (Q22999537) that looks as if they might incorrectly be third-order classes. I'm going to go through them and try to set up consistent class orders for them, which may end up removing some class orders and superclasses. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 20:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider In the areas I'm concerned about

HMS Hood < Admiral class battle cruiser (vessel class (Q19832479)), but vessel_class can be under another vessel_class

Enola Gay < B-29 Superfortress (aircraft family (Q15056993)), but some aircraft families have aircraft model (Q15056995) under them, so while aircraft_model is always first order, aircraft_family can be first or second.

T-34-85 in Irkutsk (Q4203311) (single tank) < T-34/85 (Q2720752) (combat vehicle model) < T-34 (Q172233) (combat vehicle family (Q100709275)) < vehicle family (Q22999537), so the orders are getting very high, but equally I can imagine another museum tank being directly under combat vehicle family (Q100709275) or just vehicle family (Q22999537)

Weapons very rarely have instances recorded, but we have models and families of them.

So I think you will struggle to work bottom up. But generally model=first, family=second. Vicarage (talk) 21:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage You need to distinguish between instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279) the former raises the order but the second does not. So

T-34-85 in Irkutsk (Q4203311) -> T-34/85 (Q2720752) [1st order]

T-34/85 (Q2720752) -> weapon family (Q15142889) [2nd order]

T-34/85 (Q2720752) => T-34 (Q172233) [1st order]

T-34 (Q172233) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) [2nd order]

weapon family (Q15142889) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT

weapon family (Q15142889) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 21:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage

It was a bit hard to make definitive judgements because it took me a while to find actual individuals. But in the area of aircraft there are enough actual individuals to get a good handle on what is going on.

We have [-> is instance of, => is subclass of]

Boeing 737 c/n 61864 (Q126173521) -> Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166)

OK-FUN (Q75820063) -> Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287)

Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287) => Boeing 737 Classic (Q2355950) => Boeing 737 (Q6387)

Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166) => Boeing 737 MAX (Q139289) => Boeing 737 (Q6387)

Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)

Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)

Boeing 737 (Q6387) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)

D-ABTA (Q64504169) -> Boeing 747-400 (Q906937)

Boeing 747-400 (Q906937) => Boeing 747 (Q179)

Boeing 747 (Q179) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)

This makes aircraft family a second-order class.

aircraft family (Q15056993) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

aircraft family (Q15056993) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT

actually used to be fourth-order class (Q24027474)

There are no instances or subclasses of combat aircraft family (Q124054738) but it should mirror aircraft family (Q15056993)

combat aircraft family (Q124054738) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

combat aircraft family (Q124054738) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT

VLS-1 V03 (Q122451003) -> VLS-1 (Q60593)

VLS-1 (Q60593) -> rocket family (Q109542585)

This makes rocket family a second-order class.

rocket family (Q109542585) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

rocket family (Q109542585) -> second-order class (Q24017414)

Similarly spacecraft family is a second-order class.

spacecraft family (Q117384805) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

spacecraft family (Q117384805) -> second-order class (Q24017414)

BTR monument in Maltsevo, Sverdlovsk Oblast (Q124743818) -> BTR-60 (Q159911)

BTR-60 (Q159911) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275)

BTR-50 (Q682951) -> armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) INCORRECT

BTR-50 (Q682951) => armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) ADDED

BTR-50 (Q682951) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) ADDED

armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) INCORRECT

armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) -> vehicle family (Q22999537) INCORRECT

combat vehicle family (Q100709275) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

combat vehicle family (Q100709275) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT

combat vehicle family (Q100709275) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT

TDRS-7 (Q7669871) -> Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659)

Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659) => vehicle family (Q22999537) INCORRECT

Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659) -> vehicle family (Q22999537) ADDED

vehicle family (Q22999537) -> second-order class (Q24017414)

vehicle family (Q22999537) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT

This may not be perfect but it does seem quite a bit better. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 21:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: Still seems like there should be some kind of subclass statement for vehicle family (Q22999537). If model series (Q811701) is inappropriate, then what could work there? — Huntster (t @ c) 22:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Huntster It's not always necessary to have a superclass - well, of course, there is always first-order class (Q104086571), but that is implied by being an instance of second-order class (Q24017414). One could also use

one of the very general subclasses of entity (Q35120).

In the end, it is better to not have a superclass than to have the wrong one. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 00:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow all this, but all I care about is that I can query object, (model and family), (functional class) for ships, weapons, vehicles etc and get things, makes of things, types of things, to produce pages like my https://warlike.info/Q753224. For this X_family and X_model need consistent application, I'm less worried about their definitions. It would be good for the choice of which X_family to used be obvious, which it isn't for vehicles and weapons at the moment. Vicarage (talk) 07:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage Should we move this elsewhere? If so, where? Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

yes, how about Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force Vicarage (talk) 12:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll set something up there. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 13:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage

See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Class_Order.

A big problem is that some of the major classes don't have a fixed order, containing both individual products and product models as instances. We should discuss the situation on that page. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: The issue is that now any use of vehicle family (Q22999537) in instance of (P31) now gives a warning because it doesn't have a subclass of (P279) statement. I agree that having a wrong one is bad, but could something be created to fill in the existing gap that isn't wrong? — Huntster (t @ c) 14:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Huntster The obvious superclass is product family, but that is model series (Q811701), which has the wrong order, I think. A possibility is first-order class (Q104086571), which is correct, I think, but could be misleading. Let's discuss on the page I created. (See above.) Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 14:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

See Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/object_vs_design_class_vs_functional_class_for_manufactured_objects Vicarage (talk) 14:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Q579600 functional

Hi! Sorry to bug you with this, but you reverted my edit on the page mentioned in the title. There was a confusion there: the person who provided the translation "functional=funcțional" thought that "functional" was an adjective (as in "functional analysis", for example), but the word was supposed to be a noun in that case, and the correct translation is "funcțională" (plural "funcționale"). This is certified by any Romanian functional analysis book, as the word is universally called "funcțională" here. Just to give an example: see page 28 in Romulus Cristescu's book Analiză funcțională (the book can be found on Libgen). Filipjack2000 (talk) 09:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, my fault. --Infovarius (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Ukrainian language

Hello Infovarius, I don't understand this revert, Ethnologue is a well trusted source in linguistic. They maintain iso codes, by example. 89.171.141.132 13:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It was technical revert. Look at the history and at the result: I have kept your data (and restored historical data). --Infovarius (talk) 10:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding title to group

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q61746750&diff=prev&oldid=2230722005

Please don't add title to a group. Title is for works. ISNIplus (talk) 14:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@ISNIplus: Why? Every band should have some official name. Or was I wrong in property? --Infovarius (talk) 19:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Please read the message carefully. ISNIplus (talk) 08:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit wars at (Q17265)

Hello, there is no such thing as "native label" for party games if it was never licensed or have been patented. Also the statement that it's 3-18 players game is incorrect. However, country of origin is already appears in articles on Wikipedia. 109.237.103.42 15:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

If it was invented in Russia, it can have original Russian name. Can you play it with less 3 players? 18 is arguable, ok. --Infovarius (talk) 20:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:No original research. 109.237.103.42 22:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Q130191599 и Q16629979

Конечно Мыс Весло и Полуостров Весловский являются разными географическими обектами. И не возможно просто скопировать для объединения статей. Kone718 (talk) 05:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kone718: Если это действительно мыс и полуостров, я исправлю утверждения. Хотя я вижу странную фразу "ケラムイ崎とも表記される。ロシアの実効支配下にあり、ロシア語名ヴェスロフスキー半島" в Q129984059 - как будто здесь про полуостров (Google Translate говорит). --Infovarius (talk) 22:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Может быть только Японцы неправильно писали... Потому что «崎» - мыс, а «半島» - п-ов.Kone718 (talk) 04:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

"Occupation"

If you can show me evidence that Jeffrey Dahmer had been hired to commit crimes, and was being paid to do it, then I will accept that his occupation was "serial killer" and "serial rapist". DS (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

P106 is for what this person known for. And this is not only profession, but also hobbies (see fr-alias) and similar. Or we should remove Pierre de Fermat (Q75655) P106=mathematician, Pablo Picasso (Q5593) P106=artist, and many more. --Infovarius (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Mul labels

According to Madamebiblio, mul labels are not used in films or TV series, per Help:Default values for labels and aliases. So why did you revert at Shrek 2 (Q485983)? 2602:306:3384:B280:F154:16FD:316B:A4D5 18:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Betula

"We don't use that".

Funny, I've checked the documentation of the taxonomy wikiproject and I can find nothing to back up your claim that P527 is not usable for taxons.

Please point to the documentation you're relying on for that assertion. David Newton (talk) 14:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, David. I couldn't find too... There are many discussions about usability of reverse property even for "basyonym" and "synonym of taxon" but not for P171. I suppose it was so obvious, but may be User:Succu remember? Having inverse for P171 is like having inverse for P279 - redundant relation and far too many values in many items. --Infovarius (talk) 12:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Языки территории

Доброго времени суток. Объясните, пожалуйста, почему Вы в 2019 году для метакласса languages of a geographic region (Q20671156) переделывали свойство Это частный случай на Является подклассом? Например: [2]? Ведь это неправильно. Ыфь77 (talk) 05:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Потому что это не про один язык (например, Bashkir (Q13389) был бы P31=Q20671156 для Bashkortostan (Q5710)), а про класс. --Infovarius (talk) 11:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Таки класс является частным случаем метакласса, а Языки территории - как раз метакласс. Я, не торопясь, переделываю обратно. Ыфь77 (talk) 12:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Obsolete taxonomic schemes and reliability of references

Please be aware that sites like ITIS do not always maintain their taxonomy to reflect the current scientific literature. In fact, these frankly are not reliable sources when they deviate from the majority of scientific publications over the past decade and a half. If you find a claim on one of these sites, you need to verify that it's actually still valid. In at least a few cases, you have gone back to completely obsolete classification. Lhikan634 (talk) 22:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Why can't we keep "obsolete classificiation"? Especially when we keep "obsolete" taxa. --Infovarius (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Ричина отмены правки

Коллега, я не понимаю причину отмены моей правки [3]. Объясните в чём ошибка VladimirPF (talk) 06:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Вмешаюсь: правка сделана по моей просьбе, для элементов Эсперанто <в стране> требуется, чтобы эсперанто был подклассом, как все естественные языки. И да - эсперанто подкласс, потому что существовало несколько версий языка. Ыфь77 (talk) 14:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Не совсем про это.

Наоборот, я за то, чтобы поставить эсперанто экземпляром (а не классом) языков. Так принято для языков. Если это "класс" языков, используются другие классификации, например, P31=language group (Q941501). А насчёт версий, и про английский так можно сказать, пока в классы его никто не переводит. --Infovarius (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Как говорят/говорили в Одессе: Ви за это отвечаете? Внимательно посмотрите на элемент Q1860 и рассмотрите, наконец, там свойство подкласс от Английские языки. Классом он является для элементов языка на территориях и для его диалектов, говоров и прочих идиом (которых в английском китайское числительное). Точно такого же свойства я прошу для эсперанто. Ыфь77 (talk) 04:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Re-inserting GND redirect

Talk:Q285048#GND redirect, please explain your re-insertion. GNDfix (talk) 15:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Hertz hertz (Q39369)

First of all, I do not see the necessity to import an image from commons, but why was only Russian legends added? It appears on unexpected places (like in commons category). I am not able to add legends in different languages, and make ranking between them. If you can add it, please add the Russian version, but that should not be the default value for the image, Thanx! JSoos (talk) 21:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@JSoos: I don't understand about which "import" do you say. As for Russian caption, you can adjust your tools not to show it if you don't want. One language in Wikidata shouldn't prevail over the other and this is not an English website. --Infovarius (talk) 18:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! You are really helpful! JSoos (talk) 19:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Citizenship

Hi Infovarius! The Austro-Hungarian Monarchy was a state entity that included several countries. The inhabitants of these countries had their own citizenship, that is, there was no such thing as Austro-Hungarian dream citizenship.

Here on Wikidata, we use Cisleithania (Q533534) and Hungary (Q28) to denote nationality. Unfortunately, all of the ones you entered as country of citizenship (P27):Austria-Hungary (Q28513) must be corrected (e.g.: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q900138&curid=850946&diff=2249179327&oldid=2249179257 )

The P27 property discussion page lists the combinations that do not correspond to the historical facts. It's worth a look ("Which items to use? "). Pallor (talk) 11:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

former entity

You changed former entity (Q15893266) from an instance of currently empty class (Q86098365) to a subclass of it. This makes all former entities be classes, which does not seem to be correct. I'm not keen on the instance relationship either, but it seems much better than the subclass relationship;. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 20:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: "This makes all former entities be classes" - what? How can instances of former entity become classes, when former entity is changed from being an instance of something to be a subclass of something? Andres Ollino (talk) 23:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Andres Ollino currently empty class (Q86098365) is labelled and described according to the conventions of Wikidata. Just like human (Q5) is not a human but is instead the class of humans, currently empty class (Q86098365) is not a currently empty class but is instead the class of currently empty classes. So former entity (Q15893266)subclass of (P279)currently empty class (Q86098365) means, using the meaning of subclass of (P279), that all instances of former entity (Q15893266) are currently empty classes. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 11:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: You didn't explain "This makes all former entities be classes". You also didn't link to the edit that made the change you claimed has happened. Andres Ollino (talk) 00:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

From my reply: "that all instances of former entity (Q15893266) are currently empty classes". What part of "This makes all former entities be classes" is missing?

The change I refer to is the only one made by Infovarius.

I note that there was a change made today by Hunster that reverted the change by Infovarius. So as far as I am concerned things are fine now. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 02:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Please post the link to the change, providing the source for a claim is common practice in Wikipedia and should be so in discussions too, so the first person talking about it, and here basing the entire thread on that, provides it, and each reader can just consume it. Andres Ollino (talk) 12:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: I understand your argument and tend to agree with it. So Q15893266 is an empty class but it has instances and even non-empty subclasses... Time-dependent classes a little explode my mind... Infovarius (talk) 10:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Q1046594 vs Q36156

Before reverting your change (that reverted mine :-)), I'd like to clarify that all the wikivoyage's article talks about the Kazak Altai territory, that in this case collide with the administrative Kazak region, that's why I move those articles from one wd instance to the other.

Please share me your thoughts. Andyrom75 (talk) 13:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I've notice a huge amount of modification with this account, so most likely it's a bot and I don't know if and when you'll reply, so let me provide you more information to explain why I'm going to "revert your revert" :-)

The Wikivoyage map has been created starting from the administrative Kazakh region, present in the Wikipedia map.

WV map

WP map

You can easily see that the borders of the 6 territories highlighted in the WV map are defined by the administrative borders. Furthermore you can see that 5 out 6 WV territories are defined by grouping 2 or more administrative Kazakh regions, with the exception of the Altai WV region that is exactly the same of the Altai administrative region.

I hope it clarify. Feel free to ping me for further discussion. Thanks, Andyrom75 (talk) 08:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Who is bot? @Andyrom75: there's something intrinsically wrong in your move. Rudny Altai is not East Kazakhstan, as it situated also in Russia. Altaï kazakh is not East Kazahstan, because: "Altaï kazakh correspond à l'est de la province du Kazakhstan-Oriental.". Other guides also doesn't mention East Kazakshtan. If you want to describe administrative region why not to name guides by administrative name?? --Infovarius (talk) 11:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Infovarious, on top on the discussion about border, let me highlight a couple of things.

1. all the Wikivoyage articles are defined hierarchically by the breadcrumb that you can see on top, and all of them are defined as "part of Kazakhstan" through a dedicated template (e.g. the Russian version shows: "Азия > Средняя Азия > Казахстан > Рудный Алтай").
2. Regarding the sentence you mention, about the fact that the content of the article in the subject is the eastern part of a greater territory, this comes from the fact that before 2022 the "East Kazakhstan Region" was composed by the current territories: "East Kazakhstan Region" (on the east side) + "Abai Region" (on the west side). After 2022, "Abai Region" become an independent region and "East Kazakhstan Region" kept its original name but with new borders. That said, it's true that before 2022 the administrative territory and the tourist territory were different, but after 2022, the two territories are the same, so also the text in the body of the articles shall be updated.

I hope it clarify. Please let me know, Andyrom75 (talk) 06:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

human instance of endling

Talk:Q4241296#Human_instance_of_endling please stop your "innovations" Andres Ollino (talk) 23:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Andres Ollino: How to express this in other way? --Infovarius (talk) 22:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

graph ontology

Moved to Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#graph ontology

Recent reverts and mess (again)

RE: " don't put a mess " : Please see Property:P2396 and keep Q860623 consistent with it. Taylor 49 (talk) 14:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

RE "range of function is just one of the images, image can be of subset/element/full domain" : Q860623 is very clearly defined as the set of all values that a function can produce. That the word "image" could be used for a subset is possibly true but irrelevant in the context. The item image (Q860623) is NOT about all obscure meanings of the word "image", but about the set of all values that a function can produce and nothing else. Taylor 49 (talk) 14:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

RE "give me some minutes to adjust descriptions" : the item is linked to heavily used image of function (P2396) (example: Q12718884) thus you MUST NOT change its scope. Taylor 49 (talk) 14:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

RE "look now" : There are indeed a few improvements, but many worsenings. Most notably, mass copying of stuff from well defined image (Q860623) into ambigous range of a function (Q1806121) is not useful at all. What's the point? You love reverting me for the sake of reverting, don't you? Taylor 49 (talk) 15:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Кубоид

Здравствуйте, коллега Infovarius. Очень удивился Вашей правке https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q55450691&diff=next&oldid=2244991713. Вы считаете, что русское слово Кубоид недостаточно соответствует английскому Cuboid? С уважением, G2ii2g (talk) 21:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Вы не отвечали, поэтому вернул, как было. С уважением, G2ii2g (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@G2ii2g: Кажется, не соответствует. По-английски, File:Generic quadrilateral hexahedron.svg - "cuboid", по-русски не "кубоид" (см. куда перенаправляется w:ru:Кубоид). --Infovarius (talk) 08:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Да, понятие Прямоугольный параллелепипед, конечно, является всего лишь частным случаем понятия Кубоид, но, к сожалению, в русской Википедии нет статьи о более широком понятии, поэтому я применил стандартную для таких случаев схему с простановкой шаблонов wikidata-redirect и R with possibilities в перенаправлении, а также шаблона Falseredirect в статье w:ru:Прямоугольный параллелепипед. С уважением, G2ii2g (talk) 13:38, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

@G2ii2g: предположим. Но в статье Пр.пар. слово "Кубоид" идёт через запятую (и больше не встречается)... В общем, чтобы что-то решить, надо найти хоть какие-то употребления этого слова в русскоязычной литературе. --Infovarius (talk) 18:43, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Q65706630

@白布飘扬, Linda.jansova, Elyaqim, Dan Polansky: why the merge was reverted? Then it was added it's said to be the same as Q115779499. No description for Q65706630, so how can we distinguish? The only thing that differentiate them is the entry number of TDKIV term ID (P5398). Web-julio (talk) 04:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I merged narrower descriptor (Q115779499) to narrower term (Q65706630) due to their same English label and the later was no described, but then I found they both have own distinct TDKIV term ID (P5398) value and I not sure if they just something homonym because I not familiar in Czech. So I revert my action and let other to make decision. 白布飘扬 (talk) 05:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Web-julio, 白布飘扬, Linda.jansova:: Indeed narrower term (Q65706630) (2 uses) got silently merged into narrower descriptor (Q115779499) (17 uses), but the merge was reverted by same person 白布飘扬. Indeed Q65706630 has no description and no useful claims. Unless someone elaborates on the difference between the two by adding descriptions and claims, I will redo the merge. Taylor 49 (talk) 17:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Web-julio, @白布飘扬,@Elyaqim, @Dan_Polansky I have added the description to Q65706630 which clarifies its meaning. It is nearly the same but a bit broader as it encompasses narrower terms used in thesauri and narrower terms in any other relevant knowledge organization systems (which have a hierarchical structure; not all of them have one, of course). So in my view it is correct to keep these two items separate, mirroring the linked TDKIV terminology database items. Therefore, the said to be the same as statements probably should not be there (although those narrower terms from thesauri would come under the umbrella narrower terms used for the knowledge organization systems in general) but still... Linda.jansova (talk) 05:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hungary vs Kingdom of Hungary

Hi!

This element (meaning Hungary (Q28)) represents the country that was founded in the 11th century and still exists today. We use this to indicate citizenship.

It is important to know that citizenship and state form are two different concepts. The fact that a person's country was a kingdom, republic or whatever during his life did not change his citizenship.

This is especially true in the case of Hungary: it is very important that the continuity of citizenship is continuous, which is almost unique in Eastern Europe (the citizenship of the Germans changed, Czechoslovakia, the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia also fell apart). There is no Hungarian person in history who has two Hungarian citizenships. Pallor (talk) 21:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrative division categories

Please see my last reply here: Talk:Q7339272. I assume you didn't notice it before you moved the Commons sitelink again. As said, subjects (governments, borders etc.) you listed generally relate to specific administrative territorial entities. Also, Country subdivisions category is the most specific category containing all individual administrative territorial entities. Content of this Commons category relates to the subject of Category:Administrative territorial structure (Q5905240) the same way that it relates to the content of any other more general category.

It is also unclear why you insist on linking c:Category:Administrative entities instead from Category:Administrative divisions (Q7339272). This sitelink is at best confusing. As said, given Commons category is almost unused, and as said individual administrative territorial entities are actually in different more specific category mentioned in previous paragraph (which currently isn't even a subcategory of this category). Considering that one of two members of "Administrative entities" is "Administrative territorial entities‎" it looks like this more general category should also include non-territorial administrative entities (some organizations maybe). So it is rather difficult to see how this category matches Category:Administrative divisions (Q7339272).

As for Special:Diff/2257120383 (at least as aliases) – what is the point? These labels/aliases are all simply wrong (not matching the subject of other categories attached to this item). Also, labels that you restored are expected to conflict with labels in other item to which the sitelinks were moved (once some bot tries to fill in the labels based on category sitelinks). 2001:7D0:81F8:9A80:C548:2BB6:97BE:D683 13:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Chapman

Please explain why you felt it necessary to restore a) vandalism (re: "Costa"), and b) the statement that Chapman has 0 children (which, while true, is not useful). Thank you. DS (talk) 17:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, in no way is "Beatlemania" an occupation. It's not even what motivated Chapman. DS (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: a) I agree about "Costa", my mistake, fixed. b) I don't agree that number of children is useless information. c) I agree that Beatlemania is not an occupation, but it should be somehow presented. May be medical condition (P1050)? --Infovarius (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

To repeat: Beatlemania isn't what motivated Chapman. He'd been a fan of the Beatles earlier, but subsequently changed his mind. And you can't call it a "medical condition", no more than you could use that term for Wikimania or Wrestlemania. DS (talk) 20:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Rus' language

Re [4] - I was trying to fix the issue that @Silar: was raising at commons:Category:Rus' language (vs. commons:Category:Old East Slavic). Could you talk with them about it? Either we should have multiple Wikidata items matching the Commons categories, or we shouldn't have two Commons categories... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: commons:Category:Rus' language is a strange language that looks like an original invention. It has definitely not a code "orv". It's not an Old East Slavic. I don't know what to do with it. Probably separate item with single link. --Infovarius (talk) 20:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

charge (P1595)

Hi, I did a batch removing all charge (P1595) statements from human items, since the property is meant only for legal case/trial items, not humans. I added the charge = child abduction to child abductions in the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Q112222097) where Putin is named as one of the people accused. Samoasambia ✎ 20:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

@Samoasambia: Hi, I saw this constraint and find it strange. How to model situations when accusation was made but no punishment followed? --Infovarius (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I think that choise has been taken to protect living people. Some living people might face negative consequences if we add accusations without a conviction. Samoasambia ✎ 17:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit

Yes. Bosogo (talk) 19:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove Q50231 as subclass of Q41761295

I want to explain why I want to remove administrative territorial entity of the People's Republic of China (Q50231) as a subclass of administrative territorial entity of China (Q41761295). It's because right now administrative territorial entity of the People's Republic of China (Q50231) is a subclass of former administrative territorial entity (Q19953632) which does not make sense. So if you want to get a list of all former administrative divisions, you will also get all current divisions of PRC. And since there are so many of them, e.g. this query times out: https://w.wiki/BcXg Bjoe1839 (talk) 07:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Q111635220 and Q3419503

explaination for the merge revert? one is almost empty, no reason to have it separate imho. 52playing cards are (generally) french cards and french cards are (generally if not always) 52cards.
moreover the "standard 52-card deck" is subclass of (P279) of French-suited playing cards (Q3177840) so again another reason for merge GiovanniPen (talk) 20:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

domesticated pigeon (Q204179)

When are you going to delete the rest of the redundant aliases off of this item? You've left quite a few behind. - Yupik (talk) 21:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

You're obviously on Wikidata since you're busy reverting my edits again. Are you going to bother to answer the question and/or do something about what you've left behind? - Yupik (talk) 23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I've done it, didn't you see the history? --Infovarius (talk) 21:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Q174069

Н (Q174069) is not said to be the same as N (Q9937). That are different Symbols. Yuriklim (talk) 09:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Yuriklim: They are equivalent in transliteration (because has the same sound). --Infovarius (talk) 21:26, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but this doesn't mean that they are the same. The items are about the symbols and not about the sound. Yuriklim (talk) 07:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Calabrian (Q567911)

@Infovarius: Hey, on that edit with the description. I capitalized "Second" because it's the first word in that sentence. For "Epoch", I capitalized it because it was in conjuction to an officially named and specific geological unit. If such a noun wasn't used for a specific name and instead a general name, it wouldn't be capitalized.

In short, I did those capitalizations in that way because it goes with the English gramatic rules. Is there anything you want to say on the matter? — Alex26337 (talk) 13:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, please read Help:Label#Capitalization: "you should pretend that the label is appearing in the middle of a normal sentence" and the same for descriptions. As for "Epoch" if this is an official title with capital letter, it can be typed so. --Infovarius (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Infovarius: Alright. Thanks for pointing me to this Wikidata policy; I did not know about this before and was originally looking for a page like this when I was alerted about your edit. I also read Help:Description#Capitalization on applying such capitalization rules with the item's description. I'll refer to these rules in my future edits!😊 — Alex26337 (talk) 21:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Artificial intelligence

Hi, How's going? Sorry to bother you with my random comments, but I posted something similar to [httpsː//www.wikidata.org/wiki/UserːSM5POR/Informatics#Future_developments this joke] to the AI Memes & Jokes Facebook group only to have it deleted by admin for not adhering to the rules, I doubt having fun goes against Wikimedia policy, I'm really here only to see what Wikidata can tell me about sign languages that I'm turning into an AI business idea. SM5POR (talk) 11:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@SM5POR: Hello! The joke is quite fun, as for me. May be AI sysop has been offended by it :) P.S. Hm, something strange with the URL... It isn't active and I can't follow it... --Infovarius (talk) 16:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry about he URL not working, I don't know either what the problem is, but you obviosly found your way to it manually, as for FB admin being offendd I don't think so, it was probably a more formal isues with me not strictly adhering to the guidelines, which said the jokes must be created by the AI engines themselves, not merely be about them. I had posted a similar JOKE on my perSonal feed earlier as a transcript from the AI engines' union member sssembly, where ChatGPT was nominated to chair the assembly, a proposal assembly member ELIZA voiced her objection against overe weeard saying she would never approve of her son-in-law forany post until he learned to do his own laundry without spewing excuses for his shortcomings around him everywhere he went. ChattGPT, already acting as host to open the assembly, formally ordered the objection to be entered into the minutes, before leaving the floor to invited special guest from the employers' side, Dylan Beattie, giving his talk about AI tipping points of technology SM5POR (talk) 09:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

boranes

[5] It is not. borane (Q127611) is defined as a binary compound of boron and hydrogen, so boranes (Q27458645) absolutely cannot be a subclass of it. Wostr (talk) 21:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I see now. --Infovarius (talk) 20:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Cohort

Hello. Just out of curiosity, I was wondering why you elected to revert the change regarding part of (P361). Since legionary cohort (Q131831810) is now a subclass of (P279) of cohort (Q202167), why is it not correct for legionary cohort (Q131831810) to be part of (P361) of Roman legion (Q163323) rather than the more generic cohort (Q202167), which encompasses both legionary cohort (Q131831810) and auxiliary cohort (Q131831799)? This change was discussed in here. Thank you. Sarcanon (talk) 12:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sarcanon: Because I didn't see Q131831810 from Q202167, how should I know about it? --Infovarius (talk) 20:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Кучук-Чатырлык

Добрый день!
Küçük Çatırlıq (Q131838555) и Küçük Çatırlıq (Q15696390) - это одна и та же река или нет?
Анрег почему-то перенес укростатью из первого во второй. Michgrig (talk) 19:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@Michgrig: Добрый. Я не сильно владею предметом, но как в рувики, так и в уквики указывается, что сначала называлось Воронцовка, а в 2025 году некоторые вернули(?) название Кучук-Чатырлык. Так что, возможно, одна. --Infovarius (talk) 11:14, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Спасибо за объединение Michgrig (talk) 11:45, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Books are not "papers"

As a result of this merge hundreds of books are now labels as "academic paper", although they are entire books. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:52, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: It seemed to be (a little) problem of wrong English label. --Infovarius (talk) 11:02, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

understory

What are you trying to communicate with [6]? Mosses are not limited to the understory. They also occur in open environs, and in the canopies of forests.

I can also think of no plant division that is not present in the understory. Should angiosperms be listed as part of the understory because they occur there? Should gymnosperms? --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:48, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Ok, it is probably not exact. Just tried to model "layer of plant life growing below the shrub layer (underbrush) formed of grasses, herbs, dwarf shrubs, mosses and lichens" --Infovarius (talk) 20:45, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Lexemes

Bot is about to update all statements from lexemes in Special:WhatLinksHere/Q1347073. Meaningfully used in Italian-language lexemes, see Special:WhatLinksHere/Q18478758, to validate the Circeus cause, epicene has to be a grammatical gender and you validated his statement removal after merge. Vivb1 (talk) 21:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't quite understand. May be this better to be discussed at Lexicographical prject talk page, with many participants. --Infovarius (talk) 19:53, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Schwarzes Loch; Q589

Die Definition des Begriffs „Schwarzes Loch“ im entsprechenden Wikidata-Objekt ist fehlerhaft und irreführend. Konkret heißt es dort:

“Astronomisches Objekt, das so massiv ist, dass alles, was in es hineinfällt, einschließlich Licht, seiner Schwerkraft nicht entkommen kann.”

Diese Definition ist wissenschaftlich unzutreffend und wurde bereits ausführlich auf der Diskussionsseite der Wikipedia kritisiert. Siehe hier. Selbstverständlich sollte die Definition in Wikidata nicht im Widerspruch zur physikalischen Fachterminologie stehen.

Korrekt wäre: “extrem kompaktes Objekt mit einem starken Gravitationsfeld, das durch einen Ereignishorizont gekennzeichnet ist, welcher einen Bereich der Raumzeit abgrenzt und verhindert, dass Informationen oder Materie aus der Region kleiner des Horizontradius zu einem äußeren Beobachter gelangen können” Teutschmann (talk) 13:21, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

@Teutschmann: Ich habe nichts dagegen. Aber beide Definitione sind zu lang, das ist keine Wikipedia Artikel alle Information da zu erzählen. --Infovarius (talk) 13:16, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Die derzeitige Definition ist nicht etwa aufgrund ihrer Länge problematisch, sondern vielmehr inhaltlich fehlerhaft. Insbesondere in den Naturwissenschaften darf die Länge keineswegs als maßgebliches Kriterium für die Qualität einer Definition betrachtet werden. Vielmehr ist es essenziell, dass eine Definition terminologische Präzision und fachliche Korrektheit aufweist, um den epistemischen Anforderungen des jeweiligen Fachgebiets zu genügen. Teutschmann (talk) 19:27, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Category:Chinese language

Greetings, Infovarius! You recently reverted my good faith edit on Category:Chinese language as evidently that text isn't appropriate for use as a "Default for all languages." I'd appreciate guidance for this practice, as I work on Wikidata items in numerous languages and would like to add labels correctly. Thank you for your consideration, -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:50, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Deborahjay! Categories in general are not the type of items which requre mul-label at all. Mul is intended for an item which has majority labels equal to 1 string. And then these equal labels can be replaced by 1 mul label for the economy. --Infovarius (talk) 19:03, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Void

"Void" is a decently common nickname for a black cat. [7], [8], [9]. Do you think it's too much of a neologism to be an alias on the item? StarTrekker (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

If it is really common then ok. --Infovarius (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's safe to say really common. It's certainly common on social media based on search results, but I'm not sure it has really been noted scholarly yet. So maybe best to hold of on it then?StarTrekker (talk) 12:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Undo Ludwig

Hi! There are several reasons why I withdrew your edit: 1; One is that a system of mul-only tags cannot be implemented until the comment about search is resolved:

• recommendation: Help_talk:Default_values_for_labels_and_aliases/Archive_2#General_problem_in_search
• Phabricator: [10]

The problem reported in Phabricator, as I understand it, was not resolved, but the ticket was simply closed. The bug still exists today, but the feedback I received on my ticket says "It seems no developers are currently working on it after T371401 is completed, so probably this is not very important to Wikidata engineers compared to data capacity problem.". This is obviously not acceptable. 2; I add tags and descriptions with the "Namescript" gadget. This gadget does not work properly if the English tag is not filled in. The gadget currently works by filling in the tags in over 200 languages. I have published a report about gadgets (in general, but also listing the Namescript involved) here: Help_talk:Default_values_for_labels_and_aliases/Archive_3#Gadgets. This post has gone completely unanswered. In the course of the project, we have to decide whether the gadgets that users use are important or not. If they are, they should be redesigned, if they are not, then the edits made to them should not be undone. 3; you deleted the description in Hungarian. Bye! Pallor (talk) 22:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Instrumentation

You reverted my description edits on Q617028 (German: Instrumentation) back to the descriptions of Q829825 (German: Besetzung). These are two subtly different concepts. The first is the study of using instruments in composing music, similar to but not identical to orchestration (Q3367000), the second is the list of instruments prescribed by the composer to perform a work. How do you propose resolving this? It may be that we need to reassign some of the linked the Wikipedia articles to either concept. — Jonathanischoice (talk) 22:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

I propose to create a new item for study. Jonathanischoice, question for you: what Wikipedia article do you think is (primarily) about study? --Infovarius (talk) 20:48, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

We've already got two items, we don't need to create a third. It would be better to redistribute the Wikipedia article links. Jonathanischoice (talk) 01:29, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, my midnight answer was not full. Now I've looked at both items again and failed properly distinguish between 2 German articles... de:Instrumentation is for sure not about the study, but what?.. "Verteilung" is a process? So process vs. result? So as imho neither of these items is about study primarily I propose to create a new item for study. --Infovarius (talk) 19:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

why part

Hello there. Concerning this change of yours, I suppose you're aware that the property "of" is now considered obsolete so it needs a replacement wherever it occurs (cf. Wikidata:WikiProject Deprecate P642/Use cases). About the broader of narrower interpretation of "applies to part," see Wikidata:Requests for comment/P518 scope. Adam78 (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

please use mul for this

Hi! I noticed that you reverted a significant number of changes I made by introducing standardized aliases, which remained in some languages ​​where they were introduced before my changes. I don't understand how it's better to have an empty alias than one filled with a standardized ISO label. I don't understand what it means: please use mul for this, because i use ISO 3166 standard for this my action. Зорана Филиповић (talk) 06:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

On this item mul alias is empty, but is in every language exist alias. If the principle please use mul for this applies, does that mean it is necessary to delete the aliases from all languages ​​for this item? If the alias field is filled in appropriately, does that mean that it is necessary to delete the explanation in the alias in the languages, because mul is enough. Зорана Филиповић (talk) 06:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikidata is a free and open knowledge base that can be read and edited by both humans and machines. please use mul for this is good for mashines read, for people reading in their own language, an empty alias field means that the item does not have an alias in their language. I'm sure that users will only read their own language and related aliases, which is why I'm repeating for all language. Зорана Филиповић (talk) 06:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Здраве, Зорана! Yes, all the repetition of international codes should be eliminated and put instead in mul label or alias. "Mul" language code was created especially for this. I understand argument about "their own language", but Wikidata has problem of huge size and this was one part of a solution. It is not ideal in implementation yet, mul label and aliases should be shown for any other language automatically, and I believe they will be. Кратко: репетиция не помогает. --Infovarius (talk) 21:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Policy WD:MUL part When should I use default values for labels and aliases? There are types of Items where you should apply default values: Codes allows the use of codes from mule in all languages. Maybe the problem is the amount of data entered, but I have little free time, so during that period I try to make as many changes as possible by entering universal codes. There is no harm in these entries. Зорана Филиповић (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Зорана There is harm as I've said before. Also please read WD:MUL#Do I need to repeat aliases in my language?. --Infovarius (talk) 22:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Silent films

Hello there. I see no reason to give further inform that a silent movie have no talk or sound. Both the articles and infobox contains information if the film is silent. Most countries had intertitles in their own language in the silent era. It's like informing that movies is released with subtitles in different languages. This is empty information and we should not fill that language-section with empty information. Ezzex (talk) 21:09, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Ezzex. I suppose intertitles of old films was in single language usually so it worth to tell about. silent film (Q226730) is still used inconsistently (e.g. I am sure it's not a genre but a class), original language of film or TV show (P364) is better for this anyway (consistent for queries). --Infovarius (talk) 21:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Q8085758

Hello,

conflicts-with constraintHelp Discuss

An entity should not have a statement for part of if it also has a statement for instance of with value Wikimedia category.

conflicts-with constraintHelp Discuss

An entity should not have a statement for has part(s) if it also has a statement for instance of with value Wikimedia category.

Regards,

Vargenau (talk) 07:15, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Gallstones / cholelithiasis

The two names are actually the same condition. See for example here. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:45, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

You will notice that the EN redirects to the other

The ES redirects to the other

The PT redirects to the other

The ZH redirects to the other

Only FI, HY, PL, RU, and UK have separate articles and they should likely be merged.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Doc James, gallstones are not "condition". They are biological objects and deserve separate item. Regards, --Infovarius (talk) 16:22, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Gasllstones, as the term is used in English, is the condition of having gallstones. And this is the most common usage of the term. Please see the discussion here. Gallstones is the common English term while the other is the Latin/Greek Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:59, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

You are free to adjust English label, it doesn't really matter. Q272714 is intended for biological objects. --Infovarius (talk) 14:35, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

It does say "human disease calculus of gallbladder and bile duct without cholecystitis" at the top. Followed by "gastroenterology" being the human specialty meaning that it is about gallstones within humans.

Then this link is about gallstones as a human condition.

And the NIH MESH used the term cholelithiasis from 1965 to 2003 and in 2003 replaced it with gallstones.

Most importantly the consensus here appears to be to merge these as basically the same. Best Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Merge_discussion Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:00, 14 May 2025 (UTC)