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Regards, --Ymblanter (talk) 17:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
Привет, Ярослав :) Infovarius (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
I removed chairperson (P488) as it seemed to triggered a constraint issue when I looked at this early this week. I was in the process of locating a property for Red Cloud as the chieftan/chief of the tribe to the Oglala Lakota (Q543386) entity. However the item Red Cloud (Q312721) clearly states his role in the tribe. jshieh (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ


Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ el Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ οχι

Αυτό το λήμμα έχει προταθεί για διαγραφή σύμφωνα με την πολιτική διαγραφής της Βικιπαίδειας.

Παρακαλούμε δείτε την αιτιολόγηση, επισκεπτόμενοι την καταχώριση της σελίδας στη σελίδα διαγραφών και εκφράστε εκεί τη γνώμη σας γι' αυτό. Είστε ευπρόσδεκτοι να επεξεργαστείτε τη σελίδα, αλλά παρακαλούμε μη διαγράφετε το περιεχόμενο ή την παρούσα σημείωση, καθώς εξελίσσεται η διαδικασία. Προς τον χρήστη που προτείνει τη διαγραφή: Δημιουργήστε την καταχώριση εξηγώντας την αιτιολογία διαγραφής. Διαχειριστές: διαγραφhttps://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A1%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%B5%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%82_%CE%A7%CE%AC%CE%B3%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BD%CF%84 2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A 12:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

ελ Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ οχι 2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A 12:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
I saw this template. When the article will be deleted, the link will be removed from Wikidata item too. Not earlier. --Infovarius (talk) 00:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hello. The reason of my removal of the English page was that it seems that the individual pages all seem to be different and aren't all necessarily about the same thing. The English page – Female (gender) is a redirect to Gender, the French page – Sexe féminin ("Female sex") is a redirect to Femme ("Woman") and the Slovak one –Ženské pohlavie ("Female sex") is an article on its own about the biology of the female sex. --CaeCalig (talk) 16:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Well they seem quite the same for me... --Infovarius (talk) 18:15, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hi. You recently reverted my edits on Mercury. These edits brought Mercury in line with Venus, the Moon, the Sun, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Mercury was not "discovered" or "invented". The issue here is that it automatically populates templates on other Wiki projects with "no value" instead of simply leaving this field as ignored from the template, as per the other celestial bodies known since antiquity. If you insist on Mercury being different from all the other celestial bodies known since antiquity, how do you propose to resolve this field issue on the other wikis? MacTire02 (talk) 18:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Mercury was discovered when the first conscientious being noted it (or probably also understand that it was a planet, depends on a POV). But it is unknown when and by whom. What's wrong in this claim? And yes, all other "classic" planets should have such claims. --Infovarius (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hi! I had seen P:P1889 (different from) were it's said that Q19707 is different from Q1982417. So "donkey" is different from "Equus asinus", therefore, both cannot be synonims. That said, it might be that they are synonims and that P1889 is wrong. Right now, I'm undecided, as donkeys can be of different subspecies. I don't have enough knowledge about donkeys (other than they are cool and mostly friendly). So I find your undoing my edit correct. Thanks. B25es (talk) 15:09, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Q2386361 Mexicanero


Hi. I noticed that you reverted my recent edit in Mexicanero (Q2386361). Let me explain why I made the change in the first place.

The Mexicanero language, also known as Durango Nahuatl, originally had the ISO 639-3 code "nln". In 2012 it was decided to drop the "nln" code and split it into two new codes: "azd" (Eastern Durango Nahuatl) and "azn" (Western Durango Nahuatl). See change request documentation.

The corresponding items are Eastern Durango Nahuatl (Q16115449) and Western Durango Nahuatl (Q12645553). Q16115449 has ISO 639-3 code (P220) "azd", Q12645553 has ISO 639-3 code (P220) "azn". Both are subclass of (P279) Q2386361. So I feel it would be redundant to add the "azd" code to Q2386361. Moreover, I think it would be plain misleading, as "azd" does not apply to the Mexicanero language as a whole, but only to the Eastern variety of it.

Or what do you think? Languoid (talk) 15:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ok, thanks for the info. You are completely right. --Infovarius (talk) 18:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply



Now that the item documentation templates work with the list item (P11260) qualifier, you may want to update rubber (Q18113858) in that respect. Please let us know if you encounter any further side effects of the of (P642) deprecation effort (see Wikidata talk:WikiProject Data Quality/Issues/P642 for the discussion of its current state). --SM5POR (talk) 10:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately I can't see "Item documentation" unless I add it in source code. --Infovarius (talk) 14:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
It's included (or at least should be; I can see it) in the autodescription now (since May last year, I think) appearing on the corresponding Talk:Q18113858 page, even when that page holds no other content and the link to it shows up as red ("page does not exist"). --SM5POR (talk) 07:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
No, this is only in English interface. There was a discussion recently but sysops can't (or have no wish) to help other languages... --Infovarius (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Aha! Little I know; I haven't even tried any other interface than the English one, but you make me curious to see what the Swedish interface may look like. I have a hunch I'm not going to like it; when I bought a Garmin (Q658789) handheld receiver in 2003 I switched to the English interface in order not to be constantly annoyed by the poor Swedish translation... --SM5POR (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
In wiki you have power to change it :) That's what I am doing for my native language. --Infovarius (talk) 08:13, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Computer surveillance: conflation?


This may seem unrelated to you, but I'm right now somewhat confused by what I see and would appreciate your comments. I was looking into the "reason for deprecation" class tree and saw subclass of (P279) of computer and network surveillance (Q651476) mention conflation (Q14946528). "Weird" I thought and planned to deprecate it, but out of curiosity I first looked at the edit history and found that it was added by @Jura1 over two years ago. That was unexpected, to say the least!

Now, Jura1 hasn't been active for almost a year I believe, and User talk:Jura1 doesn't seem to be used for discussions with other editors, so I'm turning to you since you added a subclass of (P279) application (Q166142) statement at about the same time. This is of course a long shot, but do you have any idea of why conflation (Q14946528) was added back then? Is it some kind of inside joke that flies over my head?

Now that I have explained myself, I find myself confident enough to go ahead with the deprecation, hoping my action won't be immediately reverted, but I sure would like to know what caused that claim!

And, by the way: application (Q166142)? Really? But it's not half as weird as conflation, so I'm leaving it that way for now... --SM5POR (talk) 07:24, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Looking a little further, I found computer surveillance in the workplace (Q5157587) as well as computer monitoring (Q41107945) and wonder whether there could be a fine distinction between computers being the means vs the target (or maybe even the actors in true Terminator style) of surveillance... --SM5POR (talk) 08:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
As for computer and network surveillance (Q651476), it's quite obvious that some sitelinks describes software (as I've added), some hardware, so I understand mentioning conflation (Q14946528). Probably it's worth to separate this items into into. But probably there are "conflation" articles anyway. As for second question, probably we can't distinguish means and target computers well. --Infovarius (talk) 08:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

«Computer appliance» и «Программно-аппаратный комплекс»


В английской статье рассказывается об устройствах, имеющих узкую область применения и представленных в виде законченных устройств, вроде роутеров, мини-АТС и NAS. Русское словосочетание «программно-аппаратный комплекс» — это гораздо более сложное понятие, которое может включать в себя такие системы, как SAGE. Это очень сильно разные понятия. Tucvbif (talk) 11:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

. Tucvbif (talk) 21:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Tucvbig, Vbif-routine: так, прошу прощения, потерял эту тему. Что же вы предлагаете? Сделать английскую статью подклассом русской? А остальные языки куда? --Infovarius (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Просто посмотреть, на каком языке понятие ближе к чему. А вообще, как мне кажется, к этой сущности каждый привязал кто во что горазд. Если у английской статьи упор делается на то, что устройство не обслуживается пользователем, то в de — на узкоспециализированной архитектуре, заточенной под работу на ней строго определённого ПО, а у французов вроде как вообще про выделенный сервер говорится. Tucvbif (talk) 18:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french.



Can you please stop changing the description of the Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french !? Can you please stop changing the description of the Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french !? Your information is wrong and it is not necessary; it is just an editorial line of manga magazines; And that's enough for the description of the pages.

I'm an experienced Wikipedia user in English and French, so I know what I'm doing, you can find me at Phil81194. I hope you understand what I'm saying, thank you. 09:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Phil81194: hello! I understand your words but I don't understand your argument. These "editorial lines" have quite established meaning which I want to reflect. What's wrong with it? --Infovarius (talk) 15:37, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
It is not necessary to mention it in the description, and on the top of that, your information is wrong because it is just the editorial line of the magazines. I would like also to mention that it is up to the wikipedia users of that language to decide the description of the page, and it is been decided by the French language users of Wikipedia. I hope you understand, thanks. 16:13, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
You are wrong. French users put this in preamble: "pour... adolescents et de jeunes de genre masculin". So this is correct and important for this subject. --Infovarius (talk) 18:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
No. Can you please stop adding this, it is too long and not necessary at all, no one did that. I'm a French wikipedia user and I know what I'm doing, it is up to the users of this wikipedia language to decide what the description looks like. You are from the Russian wikipedia, I don't know why you insist on the description of the french one, Please, I hope you understand and leave it like that. Seriously it is just a description ! I don't know why you insist. Thanks. 17:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply



The rural municipalities in Estonia were not abolished in 2017, many of those were just merged but many also continued entirely undisturbed existence. Please don't reinsert that claim. It would actually be more helpful if you could find a nice way to describe that this type of municipality was abolished in 1950 and reestablished/restored in 1991 - it can't be just via inception and abolishment statements, there must be a better solution. --Ehitaja (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Discarded change on Coltrane's Wikidata page


Hello, You have discarded my removal of Giant Step work by Coltrane that duplicated.. with comment 'seems really famous' Yes ideed, but not to the point of having it duplicated! Thanks for discarding that work again for me. Hum6hum4 (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Oh. @Hum6hum4: I didn't notice... Actually not a real duplicate: a composition and an album. But probably one of them is enough. --Infovarius (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hello. Problem with this list. Машъал (talk) 07:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Это ко мне вопрос? Я как раз восстанавливал Россию где-то. --Infovarius (talk) 13:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Я как раз про то же, на неделе набежал участник и поудалял Россию из сотен элементов Крыма, начавших выпадать в этот список. Сейчас его ограничили. Но проблема системная, а ошибки и вандализм можно отслеживать по списку. Машъал (talk) 14:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply



Smettila di annullare l'inserimento su Islom Karimov, il termine dittatore si può usare nella descrizione della voce. 2A01:E11:5400:8390:9139:5150:481E:9D7 14:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Это ненейтрально и спорно, особенно для ныне живущих. Оценкам не место в описании. Хотите - добавьте утверждение и подтвердите его авторитетными источниками. --Infovarius (talk) 08:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Киевские митрополиты


Добрый день, я планирую эту статью, как обзорную, по Митрополитам Киевским во временном промежутке 1686-1918 гг. По моему мнению языковые ссылки были установлены сооветственно. Пожалуйста, посмотрите внимательнее по языковым ссылкам. Аналог страницы в рувике мне неизвестен. AlexPin (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

@AlexPin: Хочется, чтобы ссылки соответствовали (прямо эквивалентно) теме элемента. А Митрополия!=Митрополит (в Викиданных организация и руководитель д.б. в разных элементах). А где вы хотите обзорную сделать? --Infovarius (talk) 08:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Это и будет обзорная, все остальные статьи по Киевской митрополии начиная с X века существуют, и связаны с соответствующими аналогами в других языковых проектах. Также имеются страницы, более фокусно раскрывающие тему, такие например как Православие в Великом княжестве Литовском, или обзорно-специализированные, такие как Митрополит Киевский и всея Руси. А эта статья была создана автором как описательная, но охватывавшая не весь период, а лишь начиная с 1458 года. Так и провисела никому не нужная 11 лет. Я случайно на неё наткнулся, и озадачился, что с ней делать? Решение пришло как-то само собой, в ру-вики нет описательной статьи по митрополитам Киевским в период с 1686 года, момента смены юрисдикции митрополии, до 1918 года, когда уже почти ликвидированная митрополия обрела статус самостоятельной церкви в составе Московского патриархата.
Не соответствующие тематике вставки я перенёс в специальные статьи, ничего не пропало, а из тех статей, весь лишний материал перенёс сюда, В общем навёл порядок, более менее. Осталось дополнить статью, оформить, и улучшить структуру. Да, и переименовать. Но языковые ссылки я установил сразу, чтобы привлечь больше заинтересованных участников, у меня не хватает времени на всё это. Так, что прошу Вас вернуть их обратно, если для Вас это не принципиальный какой-то вопрос. AlexPin (talk) 09:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)Reply



[1] Hello, nothing strange there, the P361 property from Wikidata is being used in a Musician infobox. Goo3 (talk) 12:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, it was half-right edit. Of course it is a part of the band. But being "a part of an album" is indeed strange. --Infovarius (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

clitoris (Q873072)


I was moving some of the statements to human clitoris (Q117460175) considering we already have other similar items Trade (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ah, ok. I move back. --Infovarius (talk) 14:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply



Коллега, обращаюсь не сколько по отменённой вами правке, сколько ради принципа наименования меток, лучше обеспечивающего связи между викиданными и статьями в Русской ВП.
По моему опыту, целесообразно, когда первая из меток в точности соответствует названию статьи в русской ВП, в данном случае — «Тараканище (мультфильм, 1927)». Остальные: Тараканище, Тараканище (мультфильм), Тараканище (1927) и т. д. — могут быть размещены столбиком в колонке «Также известно как». Это прежде всего удобно для викификации, посколько искомое название можно сразу скопировать из «шапки», а не проматывать для этого в конец страницы, где оно отображено в ряду других языковых проектов ВП. Главное, это не притиворечит правилу нименования меток:

В большинстве случаев метка — это заголовок соответствующей статьи русской Википедии или вариант этого заголовка.

Понятие «лишнее» в названии меток не существует (на то и существует — альтернатива).
Подытоживая, хочу отметить, что для поиска внутри Викиданных не имеет значения какое из названий стоит первым, а какие помещены в колонку синонимов. Для удобства же работы с русской ВП первым полезно иметь соответствующее названию конкретной статьи.
Вроде ничего крамольного, хотел бы услышать ваши доводы-аргументы. - Gerarus (talk) 13:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

В русской справке много чего не хватает. Смотрите лучше Help:Label или Help:Label/General principles. В частности: "Disambiguation information belongs in the description" и "Метки могут быть неоднозначными". Это если о "правилах". А дух этого правила в том, что метки элементов предназначены для использования "внутри предложения" как название некоторой сущности и любые технические моменты (напр. уточнения) в этом смысле излишни. И при этом, название статьи в Википедии не может быть первичным, ибо (для Викиданных) Википедия не главнее, например, Викитеки или Викицитатника. А для поиска да, синонима достаточно. P.S. Разве в таблицах ВП где-то нужно именно с уточнениями? Отображаться всё равно ведь без него. --Infovarius (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

"looks intolerant"


?? Trade (talk) 20:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Trade: I have a long edit history... Can you be more specific? Infovarius (talk) 20:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
androgyny (Q207959)--Trade (talk) 21:53, 29 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
"Androgynous Hotties" are you sure it's neutral? Looks like objectivisation. --Infovarius (talk) 19:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Did not found anything about that in Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Trade (talk) 17:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Reply



Здравствуйте, в 2020 году вы создали Q100699786 в противовес Q31235. Но по-моему и там, и там содержание статей про одно и то же. --Sabunero (talk) 16:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Почему же? Например, есть ещё ремейк игры. --Infovarius (talk) 20:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)Reply



Добрый вечер, коллега. Я Вас уже некоторое время назад просил прекратить необоснованные отмены, но Вы почему-то продолжаете их делать. Вот эта Ваша очередная необоснованная ничем отмена правки да ещё и с использованием инструмента отката, является ярким примером Ваших совершенно непонятных и неконструктивных правок. Это переходит все границы, поэтому я Вас предупреждаю, что при повторном подобном откате правки, будет подан соответствующий запрос о снятии с Вас флага откатывающего. Судя по тому, как Вы им распоряжаетесь можно сказать, что Вам этот флаг не нужен и крайне противопоказан раз Вы его применяете совершенно не по назначению.

P.S. Ваша правка здесь некоректна, поскольку:

  1. Вы вернули путём отката (!) instance of (P31) >> game (Q11410), что не правильно.
  2. Там стоит ограничение, которое явно даёт понять, что следует использовать иной элемент для instance of (P31). Вы полностью проигнорировали это ограничение и предпочли, как всегда (чему я не удивлён), нажать на откат, даже не разобравшись в ситуации... Это совершенно недопустимо!

С уважением Kirilloparma (talk) 20:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kirilloparma:, прошу прощения, здесь моя правка действительно ошибочна. Причина, скорее всего, в том, что я увидел очевидно неправильный дифф и нажал на откат, не подумав, что это не правки одного участника (в коем случае откат не сработал). Ну errare humanum est, я признаю же. --Infovarius (talk) 21:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Q7368 and Q58697


Hi, the change I made was a clumsy attempt to solve a redirect inversion problem: I was trying to leave the entry with binomial nomenclature as the main page. Since our administrators have been absent for some time, I was hoping to be able to resolve via wikidata. Do you have any suggestions for me? Thanks anyway for reverting to the previous version, the most important thing is to stay connected to the wikidata system! Ciaurlec (talk) 21:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

What do you want? To have links to both items? --Infovarius (talk) 19:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply



Let me explain you:

  1. There are over 1200 cities and towns in Iran, and virtually all of them have namesake districts, countries or provinces. Multiplying articles, categories and namesakes, there can be over 10,000 "different from" combinations. That's truly redundant.
  2. Every single item of city, district, county and province already have such namesakes, like Qazvin being capital of Qazvin County and Qazvin Province, and also other way around.
  3. There are thousands of similar examples, like New York City and New York (state), Moscow and Moscow Oblast, and nowhere "different from" is used.

That's the reason I removed it. --Orijentolog (talk) 18:33, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Regarding metaclasses of chemical entities


In short: right now I'm trying to organise and fix classes and metaclasses of chemical entities, which was discussed in general in Wikiproject Chemistry. Metaclasses such as 'group of chemical compounds', 'group of ions', 'group of ...' proved to do more harm than good. Now the aim is to have type of chemical entity (Q113145171) as a metaclass of all structurally/isotopically defined chemical entities (chemical entity =/= chemical compound, i.e. chemical entity includes compounds, ions, radicals etc.) and and a few metaclasses for e.g. (a) structural classes of chemical entities, (b) groups of chemical entities, (c) groups of isomers.

Distinction between specific chemical entities on a metaclass level ('chemical compounds' vs 'ion' vs. ... or between 'stereoisomers' and 'enantiomers') would make it more difficult to find the proper set of items using e.g. sparql. This distinction (e.g. compound vs ion) would now be made using chemical classification (P279). It will be easier to keep this separation (compounds/ions/...) in one property than in two, especially since so far the separation has been quite inconsistently applied to items.

I would also ask you to write to me first before you revert any of my changes. I've made about 1.5M edits regarding the above topic recently (and I'm probably not even halfway there) and individual reverts of my edits are not advisable as they will probably go unnoticed. Wostr (talk) 21:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Неожиданная просьба


Преамбула: когда я в очередной раз вернулся к редактированию, то дал зарок на создавать здесь элементов — слишком много их насоздавали, но так получилось, что новые элементы-контейнеры нужны, чтобы "разгрузить" культуру Франции. Сможете помочь, создав: культура Новой Аквитании2, культура О-де-Франс, культура Овернь — Рона — Альпы, культура Окситании? Не путать с культурой Новой Аквитании (переделанной из культуры Аквитании (старой) и окситанская культура (межгосударственного региона). Ыфь77 (talk) 16:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Оставим в стороне вопрос, получится ли реально разделить принадлежность французских вещей к культуре разных регионов. Но почему 2 Новые Аквитании? Две культуры Окситании? В чём разница? --Infovarius (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
а) Старую Новую Аквитанию я верну в состояние до моих правок согласно французской интервике, к упразднённому фр. региону Аквитания (Q1179), а новая Новая Аквитания будет соответствовать действующему фр. региону (Q18678082). б) Есть Окситания — культурный и исторический регион (Q104285), он же — страна-Ок с языками ок, которому сейчас соответствует элемент окситанская культура, занимает территорию юга Франции, северо-запада Италии и кусочка Испании (см. карту в элементе) и есть действующий фр. регион (Q18678265), намного меньший исторического региона. Сами французы, чтобы не перепутать, последний называют именно регионом Окситанией. --Ыфь77 (talk) 08:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Разве от изменения администрации культура меняется? Вы сможете разделить культуру "старой Новой Аквитании" и "новой Новой Аквитании"? Мне кажется, вам лучше обсудить эти вещи на французском форуме. У меня нет уверенности в нужности новых элементов. --Infovarius (talk) 19:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Ещё как: Новая Аквитания на 2 старых региона Франции больше, следовательно, департаментов у неё больше и объектов культуры из них — тоже. Категории почему-то сделали для обоих вариантов, для Аквитаний: Q7814679 и Q27037587, для Окситаний: Q9653536 и Q9653118. --Ыфь77 (talk) 20:25, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Добрый день! Почему вы сделали эту правку? Теперь в статье Australopithecine нет ссылки на русскую версию статьи. Ilovelisa (talk) 08:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Ilovelisa: привет. Зато в w:en:Hominina есть ссылка на w:ru:Хоминина. Кстати, ссылку между австралопитецинами тоже добавил. Вообще, запутанная ситуация, не пойму, в чём разница между этими двумя подтрибами... --Infovarius (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Спасибо, именно этого я хотел от wikidata добиться, но т.к. я здесь новичок, мне не удавалось сделать "intentional sitelink to redirect".
Что касается разницы, беглый поиск ничего не даёт, но, предварительно, по содержимому нескольких статей и ответу chat Bing можно предположить следующее:
"No, they are not synonyms. Australopithecina is a subtribe within the tribe Hominini, while Hominina refers to humans and is usually held to have emerged within the Australopithecina"
Ilovelisa (talk) 13:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

by club or team


寒吉 (talk) 13:02, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

@寒吉: "club" and "team" are different terms and ruwiki uses this distinction. So "Q115166616→Category:Sports competitors by club" and "Q118970454→Category:Sports competitors by team". --Infovarius (talk) 20:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Wrong merger


Hello. It seems that this merger was wrong. Pre-merger Jiang (Q6191490) was about a group of military ranks using Chinese word "jiang" (as can be seen in enwiki and frwiki pages, it's not only about ranks in PLA but also in Taiwan), meanwhile general (Q10872929) was about a certain rank of Shang-jiang (генерал-полковник НОАК) in PLA. So, I think general (Q10872929) (генерал-полковник НОАК) should be restored as it is not the same as Jiang (Q6191490), but one of those (a "subclass of"?) "-jiang" ranks. 16:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply



Украина как страна указывалась дважды в Yalta (Q128499), соответственно, повторение было мное удалено. Валерий з (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Валерий з: это же было не зря! Типа страна=Украина до 2014 года безусловно, а после "оспаривается Россией". Как это по-другому указать? --Infovarius (talk) 21:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Квалификатор об оспариваемом статусе Россией был мною добавлен. Однако с точки зрения международного права и Украины, события 2014 года не повлияли на статус объектов Крыма, иначе получается, что это какой-то новый суверенитет.
Аннексия/присоединение Крыма обозначена самим появлением России в перечне стран и указанием года начала владения и управления. А взаимные претензии, в принципе, касаются суверенитета, а не изменений с какого-то конкретного года, потому что так можно и 90-е вспоминать. Валерий з (talk) 00:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Нет, вы наверное не поняли. Сейчас утверждения показывают, как будто Россия оспаривает, что Ялта была украинской с 1991 года, что неправда. А разделение на 2 значения с разными квалификаторами ещё не означает (для всех точек зрения), что 2014 повлиял на все точки зрения. --Infovarius (talk) 08:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Reply



хочешь дополнить - дополняй. но Иванов - русская фамилия, не украинская, а Фурсенко - украинская, а не русская. А Іванов - украинская форма русской фамилии. Бучач-Львів (talk) 14:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

А почему у русских должна быть украинская фамилия? А Іван - украинская форма русского имени? Как всё запутанно. --Infovarius (talk) 20:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Спочатку був Київ, а потім - Москва, Петербург, не треба забувати. так, багато чого переплелося за час російської окупації України. Українці, наприклад, поїхали працювати, наприклад, у Сибір, а совіцьку владу в окупованій Українській Народній Республіці насаджували росіяни. PS. Иванов, Петров, Стоянов - це перш за все болгарські прізвища. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
щодо Іван. Наразі і Іван, і Иван - це чоловіче особове ім'я єврейського походження. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

жена Даниила Александровича


Здравствуйте. Имя Агриппина упоминается в Ростовском соборном синодике, опубликованном Коневым С. В. и в Православной энциклопедии в статье про Даниила Александровича, написанной Флорей Б. Н. и Чугреевой Н. Н. Имя Мария упоминается Хмыровым М. Д., а Горский А. А. предполагает, что жена Даниила Александровича является дочкой Льва Даниловича и Констанции Венгерской, Морозова Л. Е. предполагает, что она является дочкой Ярослава Романовича, Майкл Маклаган предполагает, что она является Василисой Дмитриевной, Кюнтцель В. В. предполагает, что она является родственницей Протасия Фёдоровичча, а Молчанов А. А. данное предположение считает совершенно необоснованным, а какой историк приводит предположение, что она является дочкой Глеба Васильковича? — Валерий-Val (talk) 18:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Я по указанному сайту только... А вы можете добавить всю указанную информацию в соответствующем виде (возможно, придётся создать элементы для книг)? --Infovarius (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Lover (in general), male and female lover


Hi Infovarius,

I thought it would be most correct to use male lover (Q16937917) for the male lover because before this change it was only used in the male meaning.

The English description has IMHO no priority over other languages.

Kind regards U. M. Owen (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

For me, male lover (Q16937917) is generally loving person (or male, we can choose), while paramour (Q12309880) is person commiting adulter (illegal sex, with married partner). --Infovarius (talk) 09:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Okay, paramour (Q12309880) had no negative connotation (Q661062) in my language. Are you sure that (since people ought to be married in earlier times) most languages make such a difference?--U. M. Owen (talk) 09:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Q3326454, Merging clusters of articles in different languages


First: Thanks for having a look at Q3326454 and reverting the changes I made! I have encountered problems while trying to merge Q3326454 with Q264251. Both clusters of languages deal with the same topic (anatomical terms of motion) and I am neither able to add languge links in the old vector legacy (2010) skin (probably due to the fact, that both object are already clusters of more than one language) nor edit language links in the new Vector (2022) skin. Merging the articles with the MergeItems tool and the MergeLexemes tool resultet only in error messages. What am I doing wrong and how to solve this problem in the future? (I have already encountered this problem very often, so I hope that I will be able to contribute better to wikipedia in the future if someone explained me how address that issue ;) ) Thanks in advance! Mikulicz 11:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello, the problem in Japanese Wikipedia: there are 2 articles ja:動作 and ja:解剖学における運動の表現. At first you should merge them, then items. Secondly, we have the link (in qualifier) in Q264251 to Q3326454 showing that these are intentionally 2 different items (one is list, the other is class). --Infovarius (talk) 09:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you answering! But I didn't really understand Your suggestion, probably cause I am quite new to the wikidata-project. So what do I need to do, that e.g. the articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomical_terms_of_motion and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bewegung_(Anatomie) have direct links to each other in the languages-field in wikipedia? Mikulicz (talk) 10:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply



В чём смысл разрушать интервики? Из статьи w:en:Irina отчётливо видно, статья о русском имени:

«Irina (Cyrillic: Ирина) … commonly borne by followers of the Eastern Orthodox Church … mostly used in countries within the Commonwealth of Independent States … Pronunciation Russian: [ɪˈrʲinə] … Diminutive forms in Slavic languages include Ira, Irinka, Irinushka …»

Почему ты разрушаешь интервики и ликвидировал связь между этой статьёй и w:ru:Ирина? Очевиднее некуда, это эти статьи об одном и том же предмете и между ними обязательно должен быть интервики-переход. ~ Starship Trooper ~ 17:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

С именами всё сложно - обсуждайте лучше на Wikidata:WikiProject Names. Даже "кириллическая" Ирина теперь может быть не одна - могу создать отдельно украинское имя и тогда куда объединять en:Irina? Пока статус-кво в этой области Викиданных, что имена с разным написанием (в т.ч. в разных письменностях) д.б. в разных элементах. С интервиками действительно плоховато, в крайнем случае можно соединить с помощью перенаправлений, но и там на самом деле будут проблемы, если подумать. --Infovarius (talk) 19:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)Reply



Коллега, вас там пинговали, но вы не пришли, поэтому напишу тут, поскольку вопрос по ВД. Речь об этой правке - и о том, что при действующем положении вещей в статье ru:Хенниг, Клаус (вряд ли только в ней) у товарища в карточке в географической цепочке три раза подряд указана "Германия", причем разная: Нацистская Германия => Германский Рейх => Германия. Как представляется нам всем, так это работать не должно, потому что Нацистская Германия относится к Германскому Рейху, а тот к Германии не как часть (территориальная) к целому, а как этап (хронологический) к более длительному периоду. Возможно, коллега, чью правку вы отменили, решил эту проблему неверным путем - но тогда хотелось бы, чтобы вы посоветовали верный. Андрей Романенко (talk) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Надо определиться, что это всё-таки - гос-во или период? Если период, то так и указывать свойствами. Кстати, Третий Рейх ещё можно воспринимать как вообще просто термин. --Infovarius (talk) 04:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Вы меня извините, но я не до конца понимаю ваш ответ. В карточке в ру.вики (или любой другой) не должно быть периодов - только иерархия административно-территориальных единиц. Поэтому в статье ru:Хенниг, Клаус в карточке после "Свободное государство Пруссия" должно идти "Германия" один раз. Это та данность, от которой надо плясать, как я это понимаю. Поскольку сейчас это не так - значит, тут, на Викиданных, что-то сделано неправильно. Я не очень улавливаю, что именно, - то, что вы откатили, или что-либо иное. И предполагаю, что, возможно, вы в этом разбираетесь лучше меня, поэтому спрашиваю. Андрей Романенко (talk) 21:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Сейчас вроде только одна отображается. Вероятно, после того, как я расставил ранги на сущность элемента Q7318. --Infovarius (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Контейнер для искусств по этнической группе


Доброго времени суток. Нужна консультация по ситуации с элементами метакласса искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477). На время подписи у него около 50 непосредственных включений (например, еврейское искусство (Q12404052)), являющихся именно классами ВД, так как могут включать не только одноимённые статьи, но и как отдельные элементы-предметы (произведения искусства), так и другие элементы-классы (музыка конкретного этноса, живопись этноса и т. д.). При выстраивании цепочки надклассов обрыв происходит именно на них: они не обозначены подклассами из-за того, что на естественный надкласс, искусство (Q735), наложен запрет иметь подклассы. Есть вариант решения проблемы: создать элемент-контейнер высшего уровня, который добавить в исключения, а непосредственные включения сделать его подклассами. В принципе, один такой элемент уже есть -- искусство Земли (Q13150034) -- но категорически не хотелось бы в одном элементе иметь подклассами территории и народы -- это разные сущности (хотя в английском языке зачастую смешиваются). Хочу узнать Ваше мнение по 3 вопросам: делать / не делать, как назвать, делать самостоятельным исключением или подклассом к выше указанному? Ыфь77 (talk) 11:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Как я понял, другого ответа (кроме ошибочной попытки) не будет? Ыфь77 (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Я не могу предложить идеального решения, вы, похоже, уже глубже в теме, чем я. Мои мысли: 1) пока можно и смешать территории и народы, ничего страшного в этом не вижу; 2) почему не сделать art by ethnic group (Q120400477) надклассом, а не метаклассом? Может, тогда проще иерархию выстроить? 3) соответственно, промежуточный уровень, подкласс art (Q735), можно создать, но как именно класс, не метакласс. --Infovarius (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
1) Я вижу: мало того, что это разные сущности, так ещё увеличит путаницу, особенно у англоязычных пользователей, которые на уровне языка не различают этнос и гражданство. Пример: для участников рувики слово "французский" -- прежде всего маркер языка и национальности, а маркером государства является что-то-там во Франции, в то время как англофоны прямо в описании элемента пишут, что "французский" = это объект, принадлежащий и национальности, и территории. Если обе сущности (и этническая, и территориальная) будут ещё и подклассами одного элемента, то англофоны вообще не поймут, в чём разница между французской сущностью и сущностью во Франции, и зачем их вообще делить. Надеюсь, Вам не надо на диаграммах объяснять, что это разные множества. 2) Потому что искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477) -- именно метакласс, подкласс-потомок элемента аспект по этнической группе (Q106727146), этакая надстройка над искусством, позволяющая описать одним термином фактические части искусства, выделенные по этническому признаку. Аналогично надеюсь, что разницу между, например, армянской и азербайджанской живописью Вы знаете (или догадываетесь, что она есть). 3) Таки промежуточный уровень и должен быть именно классом, частным случаем Q120400477, который охватывает всё разнообразие этносов Земли от сего момента до времён праматери Евы и её соплеменниц (и соплеменников). Так как учёные-антропологи уверены, что человечество принадлежит к одному виду, а следовательно, развилось из одной популяции, то и искусство всех народов Земли -- именно частный случай Q120400477, потому что развился из одного праискусства. И даже то, что в геноме неафриканцев отметились неандертальцы и денисовцы, можно объяснить внесением элементов ино(под)видового искусства в африканский субстрат. Сравните: искусство Земли (Q13150034) -- частный случай искусства территории, в котором территория равна всей поверхности Земли, и, замечу, этот элемент уже не равен мировому искусству, так как есть кинематограф (даже игровой), созданный на Луны, на МКС, да и на утопленных космических станциях (если мне не изменяет память) кто-то картины писал. --Ыфь77 (talk) 19:57, 7 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Ок, видите - делайте. Самое сложное (и важное) - собрать в первом приближении по нужным классам, а потом подправить иерархию проще будет. --Infovarius (talk) 20:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
А на второй и третий вопросы ответить? (И просьба создать 2 пустых элемента (для культуры и искусства), так как у меня добровольный топик-бан на это действие). Ыфь77 (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Не возражаю, но пока так глубоко вникнуть не могу. Распишите немножко схему, и чего не хватает? --Infovarius (talk) 20:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
1) Собственно элементов, являющихся частными случаями метаклассов искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477) и культура по этнической группе (Q120870093). 2) Названий элементов на русском языке (у меня есть вариант, но не буду его озвучивать, чтобы не повлиять на Ваше независимое мнение). 3) Наличие связи с элементами искусство Земли (Q13150034) и культура Земли (Q13152690) -- созданные в п. 1 элементы должны быть подклассами этих или не должны? Вроде бы разные сущности, но в тоже время человеческие этносы вне планеты Земля науке не известны. Ыфь77 (talk) 20:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Видно, что эта тема не вызвала у Вас интереса. Что ж, пусть ждёт кто-то-тама, она и сферу моего непосредственного интереса не входит. Ыфь77 (talk) 12:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

men's pole vault world record (Q1136293)


Thank you for the revert of my action. I am not familiar with descriptions yet and I didn't understand the description tells about the label and not about the real content of the wikipedia page linked to the label. Wikisquack (talk) 15:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Wikisquack: hello! Actually your description is not so bad and even can be a little better, but usually the more standard is used. --Infovarius (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply



On the wikidata Q3844, there is an alert on the statement "instance of" with the value "capital city" = (copy-paste of the message) "the value for instance of should not be one of the following: * county seat * state or insular area capital of the United States * state capital in Germany * provincial or territorial capital city in Canada * capital city"

So why did you revert my changes ? Yunan973 (talk) 18:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Yunan973: Well, probably you are right. I like this value but perhaps it's irrational... --Infovarius (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
According to this: Property:P31#P31$02b84af6-4850-050b-2631-3ac7ea48ca02, we should no longer use the property "instance of" with the value "capital city" but the property "capital of".
But according to this, there are many "errors" of this kind so one more or less = I will not cancel your revert. Best regards. Yunan973 (talk) 16:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

2011 Nobel Peace Prize (Q4622018)


Hi Infovarius! I removed the property part of the series (P179): Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637), as the item already had instance of (P31): Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637), and Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637) doesn’t seem to match the value-type constraint of part of the series (P179).

I’m very new to the Wikidata project, so I’d be keen to hear why you reverted my edit, so that I can hopefully avoid making similar mistakes in the future.

All the best :) A smart kitten (talk) 09:33, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello, @A smart kitten: these are 2 alternatives and yes, it's strange to have both. I agree here with you, and change a few from P179 to P31. --Infovarius (talk) 19:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hi Infovarius,

Google Translate translates this as dissertation, but it may also mean Abhandlung. I am however OK with its current position.--U. M. Owen (talk) 20:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Honestly I don't quite understand mémoire (Q114375) - all labels in not my native languages just mislead me... --Infovarius (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your last revert


Thanks for reverting me, it was a mistake while reorganizing the items about the Festival da Canção (Q1408581) here on Wikidata. Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 11:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Revert at extraterrestrial vortex (Q5422262)


While of course extraterrestrial vortex (Q5422262) is a natural phenomenon (Q1322005), it is already a subclass of it through the cyclone (Q79602) tree. Huntster (t @ c) 04:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your current reverts on kanas are the wrong way


You are doing the disunification the wrong way. I made almost all the work needed to separate Hiragana and Katakana (but merge entries for individual characters that are also Unicode characters), you've started restoring the mess. I made all the necessary items for the generic kana, but the wikilinks to Wikipedia are almost all merging both kana forms (+ hentaigana), with only 1 exception in malagasy (articles created by a bot on separate Unicode characters, but without textual contents). If you add entries for generic kanas (independant of the script form), don't add images or stroke orders to them! I've passed a lot of time to check everything. All was correct. In general we currently don't need any wikilinks in Wikidata of generic kanas because they are all named by their hiragana but the content is about all forms. Verdy p (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Verdy p. What is incorrect in this version? From my point of view you've made a mess by merging kana symbol with (only) hiragana symbol, this is asymmetry and contradicts articles content. As you see, sitelinks in ha (Q40694) doesn't refer purely to hiragana, so why did you merge it? I kindly ask you to revise all the changes you've made to kana items and to separate them from Hiraganas.
I agree that image and stroke order should not be at kana items.
Also I see the problem in your merge of Hiragana symbols with Unicode Hiragana symbols. Usually in Wikidata we have separate items for Unicode symbols. This is at least because some (real) characters can have several Unicode representations. So I'd recommend to unmerge them too, but I won't insist here. --Infovarius (talk) 20:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
No, characters that have their own unicode representation are the same topic, no need to duplicate them. Also I have NOT merged symbols and characters. As well I have not merged items for characters that are only encoded as Unicode sequences. Now if a single character can be encoded in different ways in Unicode but that are canonically equivalent, this is also the same item (the canonical equivalence is sufficient). Separate items my be created for variation sequences or other non-encoded variants not represented in Unicode (still not, or that will never be encoded as since characters). We should not need multiple items for sequences that are canonically equivalent (the canonical decompositions should be properties of the character item, not separate items). Separate items are however needed for characters or sequences that are not canonically equivalent (including "compatiblity decompositions").
What I merged gives sense: you unmerged that to make non-existing/non-sense distinctions, not even in the list if wikilinks to wikipedia articles (that are almost all merging the contents describing multiple different characters, with extra redirects to link them all): the title chosen on each Wikipedia may be written in Hiragana, or trasliterated, but this this the same link; and there's no sdense in splitting the list of wikilinks, based on their apparent "title". Wikpedia articles don't necessarily have to have exactly the same title for the same topic on all languages. Verdy p (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Verdy p: do you at least agree that we can have 3 items: for Hiragana variant, Katakana variant and "combined" kana item? --Infovarius (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Infovarius: Yes I agree with that, and that's exactly what I did in Wikidata items and in linked Commons categories. I made no confusion at all in Wikidata: Hiragana items are separated from Katakana items and other Hentaigana items (and also separate from items for halfwidth katakana characters and other symbols like circled characters, ligatures, squared multiple katakana, that are are encoded separately in Unicode, but generally don't have any Wikipedia article on their own); each Unicode-encoded character (Hiragana, Katakana, Hentaigana, halfwidth, enclosed symbols, squared multikana) should have only one item, and maybe additional items for unencoded characters, plus items for encoded sequences (e.g. some kanas for Ainu with dakuten/handkuten which are not encoded as single characters).
Your attempts to break the list of wikilinks to Wikipediaon Wikidata is still made the wrong way as all those articles (except the small stub in mg.WP for Unicode characters only that do not merge Hiragana and Katakana) are generic articles for all kana forms. These lists of wikilinks should not be splitted. But for now theses Wikipedia wikilinks are attached to the Hiragana entry on Wikidata (independantly of how these articles are named/merged/redirected on these Wikipedia for all kana variants encoded in Unicode they are presenting, plus the additional kana characters that are not single Unicode characters but encoded as sequences or still not encoded).
There's no data for now anywhere in Wikidata for generic kanas (which should not have any attached image, or a just a generic image showing multiple variants). If you want them in order to move the list of wikilinks, these Wikidata items have to be created. The Wikidata items are all for individual kanas even if wikilinks to Wikipedia are going to generic articles. We don't need duplicate items for individual specific kanas and individual Unicode characters when they are exactly the same (but not all individual kanas are Unicode characters, for that case we need two items). Verdy p (talk) 08:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Ok, I've moved sitelinks together. And I believe that ha (Q40694) is an item for generic kana, why do you say the opposite? --Infovarius (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

FC Barcelona (Q7156)


I removed the statements due to template limitations in article the w:ca:Futbol Club Barcelona. Infobox in article has become too heavy. That's why the templates are shown as links. See w:ca:Futbol Club Barcelona#Enllaços externs Masoud.h1368 (talk) 12:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Masoud.h1368: you should not remove info if "some template is too heavy"! It's a problem of this template, you should fix it. --Infovarius (talk) 20:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)Reply



Прошу помощи со свойством replaced synonym (for nom. nov.) (P694): какой таксон должен быть указан в этом свойстве? Валидный или заменённый? Если первое, то почему в свойстве указано ограничение Единственное значение? -- VladXe (talk) 07:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

К сожалению, я не разбираюсь в этом так подробно. Лучше спросить в Проекте:Таксономия. --Infovarius (talk) 21:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Violent non-state actors


Hi. I appreciate you taking interest in editing that entry. I am interested why you removed the claim that they can be a facet of militia organizations. Could you please explain? Love, BunsBuggy (talk) 23:59, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

@BunsBuggy: Hello. It is so partly facet that the claim makes not sense for me. Isn't it better to have ? --Infovarius (talk) 20:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
It could go this way as well, if this makes more sense to you, but not all militias are non-state actors. Some of them are founded by official government institutions. I appreciate your response. BunsBuggy (talk) 07:59, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

FC Barcelona (Q7156)


I removed the statements because I think are wrong. Masoud.h1368 (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Masoud.h1368: Why has subsidiary (P355) are wrong? Infovarius (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
i think they are related to FC Barcelona (Q3091261) or they should be entered in has part(s) (P527). Masoud.h1368 (talk) 00:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yes, it goes. Infovarius (talk) 18:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Can you complete Q7156#P793?

Sorry, I have no competence in this. --Infovarius (talk) 18:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Русский язык ≠ Язык математики


Привет! А зачем ты вернул обратно видео про язык математики в "Русский язык"? Оно же там совсем не по теме, иллюстрирует совсем не то. Имхо, лучше его поставить, например, в Q3217196--Ctac (talk) 09:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Привет, Стас. Тут для меня важно не содержание, а форма - то, что это видео на русском языке. Надо каким-то видео проиллюстрировать язык, не важно каким. Я уже пробовал выступление Медведева вставить, тоже откатили. Я подумал, что это из-за политизированности, поэтому поставил максимально удалённое от политики. Наверное, идеальным было бы какое-то культурное выступление на конференции анфас, но такого свободного видео не нашёл. --Infovarius (talk) 11:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply



Hello, FYI. You reversed an edit I made. The result is that I had to remove the Dutch interwiki's into another element. Originally this element was created for the Dutch interwiki "Bloem" which is 'All-purpose flower'. However the English labels of the element changed in 2021 and now the element is for something else. Ldhank (talk) 08:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Ldhank: Sorry I don't understand the difference between nl:Bloem (keuken) and en:Flour. --Infovarius (talk) 20:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Russian occupation of Crimea


I changed Russian occupation of Crimea (Q15859754) because the 21st century was showing up as 2100 in some comparisons I was doing. I think it better to just have start_time and an unknown value for end_time, and omit point_in_time. And of course a century isn't really a point in time, like a day, or at a pinch a year, is Vicarage (talk) 15:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Drug is a subclass of chemical


Hello @Infovarius, I removed the statement "drug (Q8386) subclass of (P279) chemical substance (Q79529)" not because it's not useful, but because it's already implicit in the other statement. The subclass of (P279) is in fact a transitive property.

drug (Q8386) subclass of (P279) xenobiotic (Q409205) and xenobiotic (Q409205) subclass of (P279) chemical substance (Q79529)

For this reason, it's an ontology redundancy, which is not an issue, but simplicity is better than complexity.

If you inspect the ontology of drug (Q8386) you can visualize the situation: the ontology in Graph Builder.

Anyway thanks for your patience and have a nice day :-) Luca.favorido (talk) 04:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Luca.favorido: yeah, sorry, you are right. The ontology gadget seems not working so I was mistaken. --Infovarius (talk) 12:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Food product is a subclass of food


Hello @Infovarius, for the same reason stated above, I removed the too generic food (Q2095) from food product (Q951964). human food (Q8195619) already contains the superclass of food (Q2095). You may refer to the Ontology issues page. Thanks. Luca.favorido (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Odesa oblast and Ukraine


Hi. Modern Ukraine is not an administrative district, but an independent state. For the modernity of the Odesa region, it is correct to use only Property:P17. -- Maksim L. (talk) 10:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi, @Maksim L.: yeah, probably it is true. But I stronlgy believe that states (despite not being "administrative") can play a role of root "administrative unit" which is very useful for all queries. --Infovarius (talk) 12:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Shantar Islands


Hello. The Korean description of Shantar Islands is already within the contents of the document. So it doesn't have to be there from the description. It doesn't have to be that specific. So there's no need to reverse it. I don't know English, and I'm using a translator. Therefore, a machine translator may exist. Mamiamauwy (talk) 15:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I am ok with short description. --Infovarius (talk) 18:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Voldemort Wikidata Czech aliases


Hello. How is Czech aliases of Voldemort in Wikidata, I later found out that "Pán zla" (literally "Lord of Evil") is in Czech translations of Harry Potter is used for translation of "Dark Lord" than "Temný pán", which is not so used. I rather put both there. Alík2002 (talk) 08:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply



Здравствуйте, коллега! Подскажите, пожалуйста, почему вы откатили мои правки с пометкой «излишне и немного неправильно». Разве в месте рождения и смерти не нужно государство и административно-территориальная единица? — KirillQQ (talk) 05:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

@KirillQQ: В идеале не нужно, потому что это вычисляется из соответствующей наиболее точной АТЕ. Например, в Ivanovo (Q2630) среди значений свойства P:P131 на соответствующую дату (1938 год) видим значение Ivanovo Oblast (Q2654), а Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Q2184) тем более не нужно, оно уже дальше по цепочке находится в Ivanovo Oblast (Q2654). В то же время для места смерти Moscow Oblast (Q1697) почти неправильно, т.к. не является следующим уровнем. Следующий уровень мы опять-таки находим в Shchyolkovo (Q198369) - Shchyolkovsky District (Q4145619). P.S. В данном случае всё вычисляется, в других может не хватить каких-то данных, тогда квалификаторы будут конечно добавлять информацию, но лучше её внести в соответствующие АТЕ. --Infovarius (talk) 18:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Спасибо большое! — KirillQQ (talk) 08:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Duration of "The Pianist"


Hello, you reverted my edit of the duration of Roman Polanski's "The Pianist" (Q150804) from 143 minutes back to 148.7 minutes with the comment "look at the source". I previously did that already, but only looked at the stats in the left sidebar on the page (https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/the-pianist-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0zmzq1nta) and did not click on any of the headings on the right. Anyway, I now know that the theatrical version was indeed 148.7 minutes long. However, I would like to argue to change this to 149 minutes. A fractional running time for a film is highly unusual on WikiData. I've requested the running times for a couple hundred films from WikiData for a data science project and only "The Pianist" has a non-integer running time. So how do you feel about changing the running time from 148.7 minutes to 149 minutes? -- Zamomin (talk) 09:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why would it be unusual? For shorts like Mike's New Car (Q1072759), a fraction of a minute is a significant fraction of the running time. For data science purposes, you can always round as needed.--Jasper Deng (talk) 11:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I did end up rounding the entries. To your point: It's definitively unusual for feature-length films in a statistical sense of the word. I have data for a bit over 300 films in my data science project and only "The Pianist" has a floating point number as its duration, all others are integers. I think standardizing its running time to an integer would improve the data quality. However, I'm a newbie here on WikiData and since you think it's not a problem, I won't harp on it any longer.--Zamomin (talk) 12:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for understanding. I see no harm in having more exact time. As Jasper said, one can always round it. --Infovarius (talk) 20:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Bashkortostan coordinates


My coordinates pointed at the Дом правительства building containing, among other things, the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Bashkortostan (Q4231503), and are at 54.716667 N, 55.941667 E in decimal format. The coordinates you changed them to point to remote area (Q106690126) and are at 54.466667 N, 56.266667 E in decimal format. So as far as rounding they are the same, but in terms of pointing at something 54°43′ N, 55°56.5 E are better. Abductive (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Abductive: hello. My main point was in reducing accuracy. Also I have rounded in terms of degree-minute-seconds. There's not much sense in choosing some particular building for such a big region. I would use some geometrical center but it is really hard to calculate. --Infovarius (talk) 19:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
That building is the headquarters of the government of the region. Abductive (talk) 19:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

abandoned fandom wikis


regarding this edit: the community of this wiki moved to to a different domain. The fandom wiki can still be viewed and edited but at the time it seemed it didn't receive any more updates and was subject to spam. Thats why I set all these fandom ids to deprecated. If you don't agree, or the community is comming alive again, we can still undo this. Shisma (talk) 09:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

"It can still be viewed and edited". And it is in Fandom. It is sufficient to have normal rank as a value, I suppose. --Infovarius (talk) 19:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

country of origin vs country


I'm working on the principle that product models like Yakovlev Pchela (Q1051720) have country of origin (P495), not country (P17). Only individual instances of an aircraft, like one in a particular museum, should have a country, the contemporary country now. Vicarage (talk) 09:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

It makes sense. --Infovarius (talk) 19:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply



Hello, i know its on another platform but seeing your high profile i was wondering if you would be able to help with a error on a wikipedia page Greenfrog23 (talk) 09:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Greenfrog23: What's question? --Infovarius (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

multi-sport event


Hello Infovarius, you have reverted my edit at "multi-sport event" (Q167170), so now please fix also "2024 Summer Olympics" (Q995653), because I previously added "sport" statement with "multi-sport event" value there. And after your revert, that statement has issues - value-type constraint. (I was trying to fix it so that's why I edited the "multi-sport event".) Maiō T. (talk) 22:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Maiō T.: hello. Interesting issue, I don't have a solution right now. I notice that other Olympic games do not have sport (P641), may be on purpose, but probably we can find some value like Q167170 (but probably different). May be better to discuss wider. --Infovarius (talk) 22:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply



Добрый день

Мог бы ты не добавлять в Q4425371 значения параметров inception, mass, length? Дело в том, что под обозначением "Снайперские винтовки Калашникова" известны 2 винтовки, значительно отличающиеся по характеристрикам. В Q4425371 сейчас добавлено изображение второго образца, но указанные характеристики относятся не к нему. Год разработки второго образца и вовсе неизвестен.

См. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Снайперские_винтовки_Калашникова Msgevans00 (talk) 10:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Msgevans00: Спасибо, понял, про массу и длину тогда неверно. Дату создания может можно добавить, как общую? А массу и длину я добавлял их карточки на рувики, получается, надо поправить карточку? --Infovarius (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Я бы не стал добавлять дату, как общую: год разработки второго образца неизвестен.
По массе и длине — нюанс в том, что сейчас в Q4425371 указаны масса и длина первого образца (Калашникова), но изображение в нём — второго образца (Пушина и Крякушина). Такое вот несоответствие. Поэтому и предложил не добавлять вообще Msgevans00 (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)Reply



Почему вы отменили правку? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17262&oldid=2100252030 в игре Каркассон нет как такового специального поля, на котором происходит игра - тайлы выкладываются на любой поверхности CupIvan (talk) 20:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply



Hi. Using this as a reliable reference is like writing Russian history through Ukrainian nationalist authors... CFA1877 (talk) 13:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

@CFA1877: Ok, may be a source is bad. But there's a country (read: national entity with historical background) "Catalonia", I wonder which item is the best for it? --Infovarius (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I know the meanings of the term "country", but it can be problematic and conflictive if an actor uses it in an exclusive way (which was the case). By that way, if we open the door of wikidata to sectarian actors, at this rate Kalmykia or Taristan will end up becoming occupied territories whose relationship with Russia is anecdotal. You ask me about items to use. Q10742, that is already present and it's official. And Q2736168, which is present too and it's the official term (didn't you say "national entity with historical background"?). Nothing more, just these two terms. Something similar to Q5187, which only includes the official term and not others such as region, autonomous republic, occupied territory, ancient oblast, etc. To me it's quite clear that the claims of the Chechen separatists have no basis to modify the wikidata page and include their position. CFA1877 (talk) 20:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
historical nationality (Q2736168) is probably a good replacement for "country", let me think. As for Chechnya, we have also Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (Q210036) and Ichkeria (Q2577465). In Tatarstan (Q5481) we have additional "non-recognized state" class. --Infovarius (talk) 21:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Régions françaises


Bonjour User:Infovarius, merci pour votre message. Je pense qu'il faut nous libérer du présentéisme : tous les items décrits comme Q36784 sont des régions françaises. Certaines sont existantes en droit positif, d'autres ne le sont plus, un jour certainement plus aucune ne le sera, mais ça ne signifie pas que le concept est obsolète. En ce moment j'améliore les éléments sur les divisions administratives françaises pour ne pas se limiter à la situation présente mais pouvoir aussi décrire la situation à d'autres moments dans le temps. J'espère que vous y trouvez ce que vous cherchez, sinon on peut regarder cela plus précisément. Arpyia (talk) 19:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Arpyla: D'accord, je veux la même chose. Bon, comment peut-je obtenir le liste de "anciennes régions françaises"? Infovarius (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

President not always of a federation


https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q30461&diff=prev&oldid=2133547782 Sergej Andropov (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

President of a specific entity not a class


https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133557136 Sergej Andropov (talk) 13:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I replied. Can you also add Fast id https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133567143 ? Sergej Andropov (talk) 10:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

how to model books in WD


please check it out: Wikidata:WikiProject Books ايمو کي ڀڄايو (talk) 21:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)Reply



Why should Q15932790 be separated from Q643669? Its related wiki articles are all translated from en:Generator (mathematics). Its unique name is zh:生成集合, but the Chinese wiki article has been moved(renamed) to zh:生成元 (数学), corresponding to en:Generator (Mathematics) and Q643669. --Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 05:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

The problem is that in Wikidata we don't link "articles" and "disambiguation pages" (pages with several topics in it) together. There is a formal sign of "disambig" - presence of some disambig template (here we see zh:Template:mathdab) which adds magical Mediawiki word "DISAMBIG". This separation is sometimes arbitrary but quite strict. So if you want to link en and zh pages, you need either add some disambig template to en, or remove disambig template from zh (and better to expand the article). --Infovarius (talk) 10:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for explaination. I think those pages such as en:Generator (Mathematics) might be better to be tagged as a disambig page. However I was unable to edit them, as I was banned (due to my IP range), except Chinese Wiki (due to IP block exemption).--Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 10:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
My merging on wikidata was motivated by linking these pages in different languages together. It seems that I have to manually add links on the body of page.--Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 10:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, manual interwikis are the possibility for linking. Infovarius (talk) 21:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Adpositional senses


@Infovarius,@TomT0m,@ZI Jonyː While I do appreciate your corrective edits to my [2] subpage, I don't intend to continue maintaining it as an ever-growing collection of all the gripes I have with linguistic information in Wikidata,but I'd like to move my proposals to appropriate project or discussion pages elsewhere, which is why I started that recent thread on the Lexicographic data Discussion tab. Maybe I should use a Talk page associated with the Documentation tab (i.e. closer to the problem) instead? SM5POR (talk) 09:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Guided missile cruiser


Hi Infovarius. Regarding Q1361980, "Rocket cruiser" is an incorrect name, and wikidata should probably point to Guided-missile cruiser, but an error pops up when I try to do so, stating:

The link enwiki:Cruiser is already used by Item Q104843. You may remove it from Q104843 if it does not belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same topic. If the situation is more complex, please see Help:Sitelinks.

The help page linked to wasn't really helpful in trying to fix the problem. Do you know how to fix this? Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 21:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Adding redirect directly requires one more action - adding badge "intentional redirect". I've reconnect as you said. --Infovarius (talk) 21:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply