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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:46, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:ChristianKl/Archive 1 on 2016-08-31.

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Reply to "For the sake of good order"
Egon Willighagen (talkcontribs)

Hi, I noted that you added a constraint that a doctoral student/candidate only has one doctoral advisor. There are many counter examples. Why did you add that? Is that really needed? How should all those situations with more than one advisor be rewritten? Who is going to do that?

ChristianKl (talkcontribs)

The existence of counter examples doesn't invalidate the constraint. Most properties that have the constraint have valid counter-examples. The fact that a person can have a different genetic mother from their birth mother doesn't is no reason not to say that people ''generally'' only have one mother. In the same way I believe that people generally have one main doctoral advisor. If there are co-advisors and the main advisor is marked with preferred rank, the constraint is well served.

Egon Willighagen (talkcontribs)

Well, the question really is, is it a counter examples, or is more than one doctoral advisor normal. I would say it's quite normal. I should not have called it counter example. I don't see the point of having many warnings for something that is a common situation. That greatly reduces the point of the warnings, IMHO.

Egon Willighagen (talkcontribs)
ChristianKl (talkcontribs)

Yes, the key issue is of what's normal. The enwiki article uses the phrase 'the doctoral advisor' as if it's normal that there's one primary advisor. Maybe information should be added there about multiple advisors when that's a common thing?

Egon Willighagen (talkcontribs)

I just read the page but do not see how that describes it as having one is normal. For example, the first paragraph writes "Students generally choose advisors..." (plural) rather than "Students generally choose a advisor..." and the second paragraph outlines two examples where it is more common to have more than one, and the final paragraph writes "student's doctoral advisors" (plural).

So, what do we win by having this constraint?

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Structured Data - early depicts testing

MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

The Structured Data on Commons development team has the very basic version of depicts statements available for early testing on Test-Commons. You can add very basic depicts statements to the file page by going into the new “Structured Data” tab located below the "Open in Media Viewer button." You can use the Latest Files link in the left side nav bar to select existing images, or use the UploadWizard to upload new ones to test with (although those images won’t actually show up on the site). The test site is not a fully functional replica of Commons, so there may be some overall problems in using the site, but you should be able to get a general idea of what using the feature is like.

Early next week I will call for broad, community-wide testing of the feature similar to what we did for Captions, with instructions for testing, known bugs, and a dedicated space to discuss the feature as well as a simple help page for using statements. Until then, you're welcome to post on the SDC talk page with what you might find while testing depicts.

Thanks in advance for trying it out, you'll be hearing more from me next week. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 22:00, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

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Structured Data - development update, March 2019

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This text is also posted on the Structured Data hub talk page. You can reply there with questions, comments, or concerns.

A development update for the current work by the Structured Data on Commons team:

After the release of multilingual file captions, work began on getting depicts and other statements ready for release. These were originally scheduled for release in February and into March, however there are currently two major blockers to finishing this work (T215642, T217157). We will know more next week about when depicts and statements can likely be ready for testing and then release; until then I've tentatively updated the release schedule.

Once the depicts feature is ready for testing, it will take place in two stages on TestCommons. The first is checking the very basics; is the design comfortable, how does the simple workflow of adding/editing/removing statements work, and building up help and process pages from there. The second part is a more detailed test of depicts and other statements, checking the edge-case examples of using the features, bugs that did not come up during simple testing, etc. Additionally we'll be looking with the community for bugs in interaction with bots, gadgets, and other scripts once the features are live on Commons. Please let me know if you're interesting in helping test and fix these bugs if they show up upon release, it is really hard to find them in a test environment or, in some cases, bugs won't show up in a testing environment at all.

One new thing is definitely coming within the next few weeks, pending testing: the ability to search for captions. This is done using the inlabel keyword in search strings, and will be the first step in helping users find content that is specifically structured data. I'll post a notice when that feature is live and ready for use.

Thanks, let me know if you have questions about these plans. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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Protect Bilal Hassani (Q60458248)

FR (talkcontribs)


Can you protect this item again? It is the target of many attacks...


ChristianKl (talkcontribs)

I protected it again.

FR (talkcontribs)

Thank you :)

Reply to "Protect Bilal Hassani (Q60458248)"

Property proposal Norwegian silvertax 1816 contributor ID

Pmt (talkcontribs)
ChristianKl (talkcontribs)

In cases like this it makes sense to ping the person with whom you disagree (Richard) when responding. Otherwise, the discussion needs more people to be involved.

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Pintoch (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Undoing batches of edits"

Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)

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Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 November or Thursday, 10 November 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:

  1. Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
  2. Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
  3. Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Reply to "Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)"
MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

The Structured Data on Commons team has begun beta testing of the first feature, multilingual file captions, and all community members are invited to test it out. Captions is based on designs discussed with the community and the team is looking forward to hearing about testing. If all goes well during testing, captions will be turned on for Commons around the second week of January, 2019.

Multilingual captions are plain text fields that provide brief, easily translatable details of a file in a way that is easy to create, edit, and curate. Captions are added during the upload process using the UploadWizard, or they can be added directly on any file page on Commons. Adding captions in multiple languages is a simple process that requires only a few steps.

The details:

  • There is a help page available on how to use multilingual file captions.
  • Testing will take place on Beta Commons. If you don’t yet have an account set up there, you’ll need one.
  • Beta Commons is a testbed, and not configured exactly like the real Commons site, so expect to see some discrepancies with user interface (UI) elements like search.
  • Structured Data introduces the potential for many important page changes to happen at once, which could flood the recent changes list. Because of this, Enhanced Recent Changes is enabled as it currently is at Commons, but with some UI changes.
  • Feedback and commentary on the file caption functionality are welcome and encouraged on the discussion page for this post.
  • Some testing has already taken place and the team are aware of some issues. A list of known issues can be seen below.
  • If you discover a bug/issue that is not covered in the known issues, please file a ticket on Phabricator and tag it with the “Multimedia” tag. Use this link to file a new task already tagged with "Multimedia."

Known issues:


-- Keegan (WMF) (talk), for the Structured Data on Commons Team 20:43, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Reply to "Multilingual captions beta testing"

Deletion property OSZK-egységesítettnévalak (P3133)

Texaner (talkcontribs)

I am requested the deletion of property 3133, because the related database is closed by Hungarian National Library ~~~~

ChristianKl (talkcontribs)

Closing of a database is no reason for property deletion on Wikidata.

Texaner (talkcontribs)

I think dead links to keep are really worthless! But yours choice. ~~~~

ChristianKl (talkcontribs)

They can still be used via or when other sources refer to the same items. Indeed it might be the only way to know what sources refer to when the data isn't hosted by the Hungarian National Library anymore.

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