The Structured Data team is hosting an IRC office hour this week on Thursday, 18 July, from 17:00-18:00 UTC. Joining information as well as date and time conversion is available on Meta. Potential topics for discussion are the testing of "other statements", properties that may need to be created for Commons on Wikidata soon, plans for the rest of SDC development, or whatever you might want to discuss. The development team looks forward to seeing you there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
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Structured Data on Commons - IRC office hours this week, 18 July
For the sake of good order
Regardig the proposal for Property proposal Norwegian silvertax 1816 contributor ID Mr Lars Holden have supported this proposal after Notification from me! ThE Proposal was not signed. But you will find his user profile here https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruker:Lars_Holden In addition he is also holding an article on Norwegian wikipedia https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Holden and an item on Lars Holden (Q11983281) Breg
Structured Data - testing qualifiers for depicts
As you might have seen, testing is underway for adding qualifiers to depicts statements. If you have not left feedback already, the Structured Data on Commons development team is very interested in hearing about your experience using qualifiers on the file page and in the UploadWizard. To get started you can visit Test-Commons and chose a random file to test out, or upload your own file to try out the UploadWizard. Questions, comments, and concerns can be left on the Structured data talk page and the team will address them as best as they can. Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Single doctoral advisor?
Hi, I noted that you added a constraint that a doctoral student/candidate only has one doctoral advisor. There are many counter examples. Why did you add that? Is that really needed? How should all those situations with more than one advisor be rewritten? Who is going to do that?
The existence of counter examples doesn't invalidate the constraint. Most properties that have the constraint have valid counter-examples. The fact that a person can have a different genetic mother from their birth mother doesn't is no reason not to say that people ''generally'' only have one mother. In the same way I believe that people generally have one main doctoral advisor. If there are co-advisors and the main advisor is marked with preferred rank, the constraint is well served.
Well, the question really is, is it a counter examples, or is more than one doctoral advisor normal. I would say it's quite normal. I should not have called it counter example. I don't see the point of having many warnings for something that is a common situation. That greatly reduces the point of the warnings, IMHO.
8.4% of all candidates have had more than one advisor: https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fcandidate%20%3FadvisorCount%20WITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Fcandidate%20%28COUNT%28%3Fadvisor%29%20as%20%3FadvisorCount%29%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcandidate%20wdt%3AP184%20%3Fadvisor%20.%0A%20%20%7D%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fcandidate%0A%7D%20AS%20%25RESULTS%20%7B%0A%20%20INCLUDE%20%25RESULTS%0A%20%20FILTER%20%28%3FadvisorCount%20%3E%201%29%0A%7D
Yes, the key issue is of what's normal. The enwiki article uses the phrase 'the doctoral advisor' as if it's normal that there's one primary advisor. Maybe information should be added there about multiple advisors when that's a common thing?
I just read the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctoral_advisor page but do not see how that describes it as having one is normal. For example, the first paragraph writes "Students generally choose advisors..." (plural) rather than "Students generally choose a advisor..." and the second paragraph outlines two examples where it is more common to have more than one, and the final paragraph writes "student's doctoral advisors" (plural).
So, what do we win by having this constraint?
Structured Data - early depicts testing
The Structured Data on Commons development team has the very basic version of depicts statements available for early testing on Test-Commons. You can add very basic depicts statements to the file page by going into the new “Structured Data” tab located below the "Open in Media Viewer button." You can use the Latest Files link in the left side nav bar to select existing images, or use the UploadWizard to upload new ones to test with (although those images won’t actually show up on the site). The test site is not a fully functional replica of Commons, so there may be some overall problems in using the site, but you should be able to get a general idea of what using the feature is like.
Early next week I will call for broad, community-wide testing of the feature similar to what we did for Captions, with instructions for testing, known bugs, and a dedicated space to discuss the feature as well as a simple help page for using statements. Until then, you're welcome to post on the SDC talk page with what you might find while testing depicts.
Structured Data - development update, March 2019
This text is also posted on the Structured Data hub talk page. You can reply there with questions, comments, or concerns.
A development update for the current work by the Structured Data on Commons team:
After the release of multilingual file captions, work began on getting depicts and other statements ready for release. These were originally scheduled for release in February and into March, however there are currently two major blockers to finishing this work (T215642, T217157). We will know more next week about when depicts and statements can likely be ready for testing and then release; until then I've tentatively updated the release schedule.
Once the depicts feature is ready for testing, it will take place in two stages on TestCommons. The first is checking the very basics; is the design comfortable, how does the simple workflow of adding/editing/removing statements work, and building up help and process pages from there. The second part is a more detailed test of depicts and other statements, checking the edge-case examples of using the features, bugs that did not come up during simple testing, etc. Additionally we'll be looking with the community for bugs in interaction with bots, gadgets, and other scripts once the features are live on Commons. Please let me know if you're interesting in helping test and fix these bugs if they show up upon release, it is really hard to find them in a test environment or, in some cases, bugs won't show up in a testing environment at all.
One new thing is definitely coming within the next few weeks, pending testing: the ability to search for captions. This is done using the
inlabel keyword in search strings, and will be the first step in helping users find content that is specifically structured data. I'll post a notice when that feature is live and ready for use.
Protect Bilal Hassani (Q60458248)
Can you protect this item again? It is the target of many attacks...
I protected it again.
Thank you :)
Property proposal Norwegian silvertax 1816 contributor ID
goo day! Is there anything I can add to the discussion to have tis property created https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Norwegian_silvertax_1816_contributor_ID§ion=T-1&veaction=editsource .
I am creating a table for priest paying this tax in my userpage on norwegian wp and the identificator is very much needed. https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruker:Pmt/prester1801. Breg
In cases like this it makes sense to ping the person with whom you disagree (Richard) when responding. Otherwise, the discussion needs more people to be involved.
Undoing batches of edits
I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of the fact that EditGroups exists and that you can use it to undo the edit batches it tracks. Here are the latests reverts done through it: https://tools.wmflabs.org/editgroups/?tool=EG.
For a more general solution to the problem, implemented as a MediaWiki extension, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203557
See you in Berlin ;-)
Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)
Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...
Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 November or Thursday, 10 November 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:
- Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on mediawiki.org because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
- Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
- Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.
Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)