I've published a design consultation for the computer-aided tagging tool. Please look over the page and participate on the talk page. If you haven't read over the project page, it might be helpful to do so first. The tool will hopefully be ready by the end of this month (October 2019), so timely feedback is important. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:09, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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Structured Data - computer-aided tagging designs
Structured Data - modeling data
As you may have seen, there are community discussions underway on how to best model structured data on Commons.
Direct links to pages created so far:
- Date (talk)
- Source (talk)
- Author (talk)
- Copyright (talk)
- Licensing (talk)
- Location (talk)
- Quality (talk)
Can you peak at Q61054612 and see if you can delete the entry in also_known_as with "Selma Louise Freudenberg (1921-2008)". I can't delete it, it seems you can't delete entries larger than the space given. ~~~~
I could delete it.
Very weird, thanks! I tried in two browsers, I tried logged in and logged out.
Structured Data - computer-aided tagging
Hallo ChristianKi, ich nehme an, dass ich auf deutsch schreiben kann. Ich habe als Newbie in meiner Funktion als Übersetzungsadministrator zwei Fragen und hoffe, dass Du mir da helfen kannst. Ich habe auf der Seite Wikidata:Lexicographical data/Documentation das nachfolgende eingefügte Template übersetzt.
|difference in||1 lexeme||2+ lexemes|
|sense||add several senses||add applicable sense to lexeme||link other(s) with homograph lexeme||duplicate forms on each|
|etym.||add etym. to each sense||add etym. to lexeme base||link other(s) with homograph lexeme||duplicate forms on each|
|gender||add gender to each sense||add gender to lexeme base||link other(s) with homograph lexeme||duplicate forms on each|
|common/proper||add several senses||use lexical category "noun"||add applicable sense to lexeme||link other(s) with homograph lexeme||duplicate forms on each|
|caps/lowercase||add several forms||qualify forms to applicable senses||add applicable sense to lexeme||link other(s) with homograph lexeme||add only applicable forms|
|singular/plural||add several forms||qualify forms to applicable senses||add applicable sense||if possible link other(s) with homograph lexeme||add only applicable forms|
|pronunciation||add the same form twice||qualify forms to applicable senses, add prononciation||add applicable sense||if possible link other(s) with homograph lexeme||add form and applicable pronunciation|
|forms/spelling||add several forms or alternate forms||qualify forms to applicable senses||add applicable sense||if possible link other(s) with homograph lexeme||add only applicable forms|
For a given language and criterion (first column), just one of the two might apply
Übersetzte Version: Template:Single or multiple lexeme/de
Wie kann ich dieses Template in der Hauptseite erscheinen lassen?
Meine zweite Frage bezieht sich auf das Babel zum Übersetzungsadministrator. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_translation_administrator Das ist schlampig übersetzt. Wo kann man das ändern?
Danke für Deine Unterstützung. Grüße Partynia
Hi Partynia, deutsch ist für mich in Ordnung, ich kenne mich leider nicht genug mit dem Übersetzungsfeature aus um dir hier zu helfen. Schreib doch bitte auf https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Translators%27_noticeboard . Ich denke, dass du dort auch wenn du auf Deutsch schreibst, eine gute Antwort bekommst.
It seems that in 2007 you merged Q17519152 … it’s unfortunate because you merged this with an item that is supposed to represent groups of physical objects. So now a dictionnary or a computer program are supposed to be groups of physical objects …
It’s a part of the mess I want to clean up on this topic
No "group of objects" was the item with whom I merged it and it had the description "multiple objects of any nature considered as a set". It's any nature and not just physical objects. You added the information that it's supposed to be a physical object in 2018 a year after the merge and created the mess. I switched it again from "concrete object" to "object".
Mmm I don’t remember why I did this but there was probably a reason. Maybe the simple interwiki who lists physical groups ?
The history of multiple merges is a little bit scary to me and makes hard to fully follow what happened over time.
But sorry, it seem to be my mistake.
Anyway, I don’t really like the habit of subclassifying « group » for anything that could be vaguely seen as a collection, it’s too abstract. A sofware is supposed to be a series hence a group (of executed instruction I guess) … a mathematical class/set is probably supposed to be a group either …
My feeling is that using this item in statements is more a source of confusion than order.
I don't have a strong opinion of where it should be used exactly. At the point where I made the merge we had two items with the same meaning and thus it made sense to merge them.Software currently doesn't subclass series and I don't they a strong reason why it should.
You’re right, it’s not software who subclasses it, it’s « computer program » (see the screenshot I did starting the work)
The link between the two is that a computer program may be regarder as a class of all the executions (computer process) that are generated by it. An execution of a program is a sequence of instruction, someone subclassed « routine » with it, which is a subclass of « series » which is a subclass of « group ».
(I made the mistake of taking « software » as a synonym of « computer program » which is wrong because the software of a computer is defined as « all of the intangible components of a computer », so datas are software as well)
I don't have strong opinions on the ontology of software at the moment. Feel free to work on bringing order into it.
Mandatory ref for dates of birth
if a reference is not mandatory in the case of deceased persons' date of birth, could you please explain why Q65972018#P569 states: "Statements for date of birth should have at least one reference"?
There are two issuers here:
1) The word should and mandatory are not the same.
2) There are plenty of bad references out there that would fulfill the constraint because they are a reference but they are not serious references in the sense the Living Person policy asks for. Especially for estimated IQ there's a lot of rubbish on the internet that can be referenced and that fulfills the constraint.
Structured Data - testing other statements
You can now test using other statements for structured data on the file page on Test-Commons. Some datatypes are not yet available, such a coordinates, but further support will be extended soon. You can find more information about testing on the SDC talk page. The team looks forward to your feedback. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Structured Data on Commons - IRC office hours this week, 18 July
The Structured Data team is hosting an IRC office hour this week on Thursday, 18 July, from 17:00-18:00 UTC. Joining information as well as date and time conversion is available on Meta. Potential topics for discussion are the testing of "other statements", properties that may need to be created for Commons on Wikidata soon, plans for the rest of SDC development, or whatever you might want to discuss. The development team looks forward to seeing you there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
For the sake of good order
Regardig the proposal for Property proposal Norwegian silvertax 1816 contributor ID Mr Lars Holden have supported this proposal after Notification from me! ThE Proposal was not signed. But you will find his user profile here https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruker:Lars_Holden In addition he is also holding an article on Norwegian wikipedia https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Holden and an item on Lars Holden (Q11983281) Breg