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PersonEdit

goodwill ambassador ofEdit

   whithdrawn
Descriptionorganization or movement that a person represents as a goodwill ambassador
Representsgoodwill ambassador (Q5583669)
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Orlando Bloom (Q44467)UNICEF (Q740308)
Example 2Andrei Arshavin (Q47230)UEFA Euro 2020 (Q373501)
Example 3Elton John (Q2808)Gay Games (Q1130199)
Planned usesources are required

MotivationEdit

Using this property is more rational than using position held (P39) with producing items like UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador (Q19969187). Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 12:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

married byEdit

MotivationEdit

Adds who officiated a wedding or performed the marriage, either as a qualifier on the marriage or as a property of the marriage. This is my first proposal, so if its done wrong please let me know. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:00, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support Looks like a well-prepared proposal, thanks. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:23, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Infomuse (talk) 22:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 09:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose The description is inconsistent with the motivation. In cases of arranged marriages there's no indication in the description that this property shouldn't be used for the person who arranged the marriage. It's also not clear to me why this property needs to be specialized on marriage.
Maybe a general property named "officiated by" would be a better way to model the domain. ChristianKl❫ 07:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: "Officiated by" and "Married by" both refer to the same topic, wedding officiant (Q2661159). I just labeled this as married by since it is a more common phrasing. For arranged marriages, they are arranged by someone and married by someone else (though they can be the same person). Sorry if the description wasn't clear about that. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
When creating a property it's important to point to a clear concept, that stays clear when it gets translated into other languages that might have another tradition about what common phrasings happen to be. It's also important to investigate whether there are other relationships that are officiated in a similar way and whether the property might be created to cover them as well. ChristianKl❫ 19:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose To specialised. I would prefer a more general property for "officiant" or "officiated by" to use for all ceremonies which have an officiant. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 15:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
    •   Comment People used to use "location" as qualifier for spouse (P26) to indicate the place of marriage. Obviously, that was nonsense as the statement is about the spouse and not the marriage ceremony. At least as a qualifier for P26, I don't think a more general one could work. Still, if the participants of the ceremony are deemed notable, maybe it's a good reason to make a separate item about it. There participants can be listed and qualified with existing properties. --- Jura 16:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
It seems we miss a "wedding" qualifier – or I think "effectuating ceremony" would be better (more general) – to use with spouse (P26). There is now for instance
but you cannot see how that event relates to the spouse. With a "effectuating ceremony" qualifier the details of the wedding ceremony could be in the item for the wedding. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 11:08, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Couldn't statement is subject of (P805) be used in such cases? --Kam Solusar (talk) 13:09, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
: Yes, but that still leaves the issue of a property for who married the couple, and this only helps for the 29 items that are instance of (P31) wedding (Q49836). --DannyS712 (talk) 06:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't like this pattern of storing information about a wedding in qualifiers of the spouse (P26) property. place of marriage (P2842) was created (with 3 supporting and 3 against), and there's technically a lot of other data that could be included about weddings (type of wedding, budget/cost, images, witnesses, vow text, contract text, dowry, hosting institution, associated pre-wedding events, assorted participants, and so on). Each of these would require new dedicated properties if the data is to be stored as qualifiers to P26. --Yair rand (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Initial oppose Person who marries ... The quantity is already restricted, but the info is secondary compared to the act itself. Notoriety and relevance of such a property: if you find 100 entries and that in addition it can be interesting, I change my vote! Furthermore, this information can be included in WD otherwise. --Eihel (talk) 14:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I agree with Yair rand that information about the wedding shouldn't be in qualifiers for spouse (P26). Besides that it will require dedicated qualifiers, it will also duplicate the data if placed in the items for both spouses. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 15:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

historic firstEdit

MotivationEdit

The idea is provide a way to model a historic first (Q64510815), especially firsts for historically underrepresented social groups. The property statement is placed on a human's item, the value is their achievement or position, and qualifiers are used to specify the social circumstances under which they count as a "first". Note that while the first female prime minister of a country would of course be queryable by other means, as all prime ministers are notable on Wikidata, the same is not at all true for physicians and similar.Pharos (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose I approve of the basic idea wholeheartedly, but I don't see anything near an actually functional implementation in the proposal. this sort of complex description is just not really possible in the Wikidata model IMO. It's likely that creating items with instance of (P31) historic first (Q64510815) (e.g. something titled "first election of an African-American to public office in the United States"), and linking those to the people through significant event (P793) is a more efficient approach. Circeus (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment @Circeus, Pharos: I reformatted the samples a bit. Maybe it's a bit clearer now. I think they should be feasible. Supposedly, it could work also without any qualifier? Eve > historic first > female. --- Jura 13:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support I like this approach better then the significant event (P793) one. ChristianKl❫ 15:06, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment maybe we should mention in the description that qualifiers (except "point in time" and sourcing circumstances) need to be read as cumulative conditions. --- Jura 15:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment in the first sample, elected person (Q16060143) might be better than elected office (Q17279032), and country (P17) or applies to jurisdiction (P1001) than country of citizenship (P27). Supposedly an American could have be elected to an office in another country. --- Jura 15:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose per Circeus. --Tinker Bell 00:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Musixmatch writer IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionID for writers/authors in Musixmatch database
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuesletters (Cyrillic and other too), -, numbers
Allowed unitsletters, numbers
Example 1Fahrudin Pecikoza (Q1976093)Fahrudin-Pecikoza
Example 2Adam Levine (Q219631) → Adam Levine
Example 3Alan Walker (Q21808729) → Alan-Walker
Sourcehttps://www.musixmatch.com
Planned useadd manually to some items
Number of IDs in sourceunknown, several thousands
Expected completenessalways incomplete
Formatter URLhttps://www.musixmatch.com/writer/$1
See alsoproperty:P6874, property:P6742

MotivationEdit

After managing to create first two properties (one for songs, one for artists) for this website, I would like to have also this one so we cover everything here. Obsuser (talk) 13:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Support Moebeus (talk) 18:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 20:44, 16 July 2019 (EST)

YouTube Username IDEdit

Motivation

As a second version of Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/42#P2397 (supported by Nikki, Pigsonthewing, Danrok, Thryduulf, Runner1928, Reguyla and HakanIST) after discussion with ChristianKl here. David (talk) 19:33, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

  Not done Per comments. Micru (talk) 08:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

IdentifierEdit

Doximity IDEdit

   Under discussion
RepresentsDoximity (Q5303699)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed units[a-zA-Z-_]+
Example 1Laura H. Rosenberger (Q64416035) value laura-rosenberger-md
Example 2Bernard Fisher (Q4893126) value bernard-fisher-md
Example 3Wolfram Samlowski (Q8030195) value wolfram-samlowski-md
Sourcehttps://www.doximity.com/
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.doximity.com/pub/$1

MotivationEdit

Has a lot of profiles about publications / work experience about medical doctors in the US 1Veertje (talk) 11:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 04:44, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2019 (EST)
  •   Support --Trade (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose   Neutral The notoriety of the people alive of this db seems to restrict the number of entry. From here, I feel that the Items will multiply to enter other identifier of this db.
    In addition, it is only for the United States. There are more people known in the rest of the World than in one country. The number of identifiers will decrease drastically. Sorry.
    conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838): date of death (P570). So for Christiaan Barnard (Q188803), Doximity ask me to create a new account ("Welcome, Christiaan Barnard", for someone who died 18 years ago.)   There is still a lot of items that are not affected. --Eihel (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
@Eihel: it's a CV platform like LinkedIn for doctors. Not everybody has to be notable on a platform for it to be useful link to include in the wikidata item. There a fair few country specific identifiers, that they are currently focused on expansion in the US is not an argument. Could you link to where you read the prompt for Christiaan Barnard? I don't see it. What do you mean by "a lot of items not being affected"? 1Veertje (talk) 23:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

XING profile IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for the social media website www.xing.com
RepresentsXING (Q681849)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[\w\-&'\.]+
Example 1Julia Kloiber (Q63848017) -->Julia_Koiber
Example 2Mads Pankow (Q64364291) -->Mads_Pankow
Example 3Marina Weisband (Q29315) --> Marina_Weisband
SourceXING (Q681849)
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source13 million
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.xing.com/profile/$1
See alsoXING company ID (P6619)

MotivationEdit

CV platform popular in Germany 1Veertje (talk) 21:53, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 04:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment How many users? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC).
  •   Neutral   Oppose The profile of the people is incomplete: requires a connection to the site. So either the proposal is closed, because I do not know the connection modalities (I have not crossed this step), or the proposal is completed accordingly, if possible with the request of Nomen ad hoc. Cordially. --Eihel (talk) 17:41, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
@Eihel, Nomen ad hoc: it grows slower than LinkedIn, but still has 13 million accounts. 1Veertje (talk) 23:33, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@Eihel: it looks like on LinkedIn you can’t see profiles at all when not logged in, and yet we have a property for that (LinkedIn personal profile ID (P6634)), so I don’t think that’s a good reason to oppose this property. --Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 13:53, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Metacritic person IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for Metacritic
RepresentsMetacritic (Q150248)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitem
Example 1Sarah Nicole Jones (Q64562544)sarah-nicole-jones
Example 2Sonam Kapoor (Q1192750)sonam-kapoor
Example 3Fan Bingbing (Q381074) → bingbing-fan
Example 4Danai Gurira (Q636653) → danai-jekesai-gurira & danai-gurira (2 values)
Example 5Jessica Alba (Q44077)jessica-alba
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useApply to film creators, actresses, etc.
Number of IDs in source1
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.metacritic.com/person/$1
See alsoMetacritic ID (P1712)

MotivationEdit

I was adding identifiers for Sarah Nicole Jones (Q64562544) when I discovered we didn't have this. I typed in Metacritic, but that was the wrong ID. Having a second one for people would help distinguish its usage.  –MJLTalk 18:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support--Trade (talk) 23:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 07:07, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Makes sense. Mahir256 (talk) 23:31, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment it's already possible with the existing Metacritic ID (P1712). --- Jura 18:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Agree with Jura1 − it is already covered by Metacritic ID (P1712) (it’s even in the examples there :) )correct values are always 'namespaced' − see eg Special:Diff/96319991.
    (There could have an argument to have one property per entity type (“Metacritic person ID”, “Metacritic video game ID”, “Metacritic movie ID”, etc.) but that’s not the current setup) Jean-Fred (talk) 10:32, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 10:24, 17 June 2019 (EST)
  •   Oppose per Jura1 and Jean-Frédéric. Doesn't make much sense to create a separate property for just one of Metacritic's entity types. --Kam Solusar (talk) 16:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose per the above. NMaia (talk) 05:37, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose per Jura and Jean-Fred and already used as well. --Eihel (talk) 15:17, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

COURAGE IDEdit

   Ready Create
DescriptionCOURAGE (“Cultural Opposition – Understanding the CultuRal HeritAGE of Dissent in the Former Socialist Countries”) is a three-year international research project funded by Horizon 2020, the EU Framework Programme for Research and Innovation.
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainproperty and Wikidata Item
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Petruška Šustrová (Q11816037)84455
Example 2European Solidarity Centre (Q534403)1149
Example 3Doina Cornea (Q460839)9413
Sourceexternal reference URL
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Mix'n'match2531
Planned useExtend dataset
Number of IDs in source1400
Formatter URLhttp://courage.btk.mta.hu/courage/individual/n$1

MotivationEdit

After adding this property, Wikidata will be enriched with some historical information and also with missing data. Ghazalgf (talk) 10:36, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 06:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support --Gerwoman (talk) 10:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Ghazalgf: I tried to create this property but an automatic check failed: example value "n84455" does not match regular expression Person Item and Organization Item.. Please fix your proposal and your property will be created shortly. This is an automated message but do not hesitate to ping me if you need any help. − Pintoch (talk) 17:09, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

  Comment Fixed. --Gerwoman (talk) 14:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 20:43, 16 July 2019 (EST)

Wikidata:Property proposal/IWM Lives of the First World War ID

Biyografya IDEdit

   Ready Create
DescriptionEncyclopedia of Turkey's Famous People
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1İsmet Özel (Q344241)18211
Example 2Elif Şafak (Q270739)15227
Example 3Nâzım Hikmet Ran (Q184906)14680
Sourcehttps://www.biyografya.com/?lang=en
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source3000+ (English), 25000+ (Turkish) ref
Formatter URLhttps://www.biyografya.com/biyografi/$1

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Selahattin ilhan (talk) 00:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Paris Foreign Missions Society IDEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifiant d'un missionnaire sur les site des archives des Missions étrangères de Paris (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainmissionary (Q219477)
Allowed values[a-z\-\d]+
Example 1François Pallu (Q547834)pallu
Example 2Théophane Vénard (Q597965)va-c-nard
Example 3Auguste Chapdelaine (Q2585215)chapdelaine-1
Example 4René Charbonneau (Q3425995)charbonneau
Example 5Artus de Lionne (Q4801825)lionne
Example 6Louis Champion de Cicé (Q16802133)cica-c
Example 7Q24956925lemasle
Example 8Jean-Baptiste-Maximilien Chabalier (Q3163795)chabalier
Sourcehttps://archives.mepasie.org/fr/fiches-individuelles
External linksUse in sister projects:
Mix'n'match2672
Planned use200+, see Q22798080 and see links from frwiki and see links from enwiki and see links from plwiki + Category:Paris Foreign Missions Society missionaries (Q8714975)
Number of IDs in source4299 (ref)
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://archives.mepasie.org/fr/fiches-individuelles/$1 and https://archives.mepasie.org/fr/notices/notices-biographiques/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMix'n'Match

MotivationEdit

VIGNERON
Mathieudu68
Ayack
Aga
Ash Crow
Tubezlob
PAC2
Thierry Caro
Pymouss
Pintoch
Alphos
Nomen ad hoc
GAllegre
Jean-Frédéric
Manu1400
Thibdx
Marianne Casamance
Le Passant
Natou844
  Notified participants of WikiProject France. Nojhan Yair rand Runner1928 TomT0m Capankajsmilyo ArthurPSmith John Carter Nomen ad hoc Tris T7 TT me  Notified participants of WikiProject Religions. Ayack (talk) 13:27, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support, excellent idea :). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
  •   Oppose --Manu1400 (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
    Mais pourquoi, Manu1400 ? Pourrais-tu STP expliciter ton PdV ? Bien à toi, Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
    Nomen ad hoc: Pour le moment, je ne sais pas combien de personnes méritant une fiche wikidata sont concernées. En regardant quelques fiches au hasard dans cette base de données, il y a sans doute, un grand nombre de personnes moyennement notables dans la base, d après mes maigres recherches. De plus, les dates de naissance ne sont vraies que pour l année, pas le mois, ni le jour. Il faudrait que l on explique bien dans les principales langues que les dates ne sont pas précises. J'ai trouvé aussi une fiche avec trop peu d info. --Manu1400 (talk) 17:15, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
    Il manque un paragraphe motivation pour que je comprenne mieux l intêret de cette propriété.
    Un autre point, à ne pas négliger : Le manque de moteur de recherche de cette base de donnée. On sera obligé de passer par l outil Mix'n'match.
    Après, j avais pas vu, qu il y a une notice textuelle, exemple https://archives.mepasie.org/fr/fiches-individuelles/le-page -> https://archives.mepasie.org/fr/notices/notices-biographiques/le-page --Manu1400 (talk) 17:20, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
    OK. Je laisse Ayack répondre à tes objections s'il le souhaite. Mais pour ce qui est de l'admssibilité des quelques 4 000 prêtres du corpus, je ne vois pas trop où est le problème... Evidemment, tous ne sont pas notoires au sens de WP, mais dans la mesure où une source de qualité les décrit et où leurs archives sont conservées par une institution, ce ne sont pas non plus des personnes lambda (sans parler que leur sacerdoce, s'agissant de prêtres, peut être assimilé à une fonction, et donc indiquer un besoin structurel)... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:53, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
    Nomen ad hoc In fact, it is not because a site describes a person that it becomes noticeable even in the common sense of the term. Not to be confused.Eihel (talk) 21:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
     ? Je n'ai jamais dit que citer quelqu'un sur un site le rendait admissible sur Wikidata... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
    Plusieurs réponses :
    1. Il y a bien un moteur de recherche qui permet de filtrer par nom, période, pays et diocèse d'origine : https://archives.mepasie.org/fr/rechercher
    2. Dans Category:Paris Foreign Missions Society missionaries (Q8714975) sur WP:FR, en tenant compte des sous-catégories, on atteint les 200 personnes qui sont a priori éligibles à cet identifiant.
    3. De plus, même si cela ne fait pas forcément de sens de tous les créer dans WD, le fait de figurer dans cette base rend la personne éligible en vertu du critère 2 de Wikidata:Notability. Ayack (talk) 12:02, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
    1. Merci de confirmer ce qui me semblait évident (l'admissibilité des membres du corpus), car je craignais de ne plus rien comprendre aux critères, là... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 13:50, 3 July 2019 (UTC).
  •   Comment Ayack It is rather planned use which made me tick: 10+, it is rather light. So I looked at the scope of this future property on the sister projects and I count 26 "iterations" of the root https://archives.mepasie.org/. (some overlap) From the point of view of the recommendations, it seems too little to create a property: it will be difficult to make 100 entries. —Eihel (talk) 21:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
    Je crois qu'Ayack parlait des usages planifiés sur les autres projets. Help:Properties#Creating properties parle en revanche d'un plancher de 100 éléments Wikidata, si je comprends bien. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
    C'est moi qui est ajouté la mention 10+. On est déjà au dessus en fait. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manu1400 (talk • contribs) at 21:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
    J'ai rectifié le tir en ajoutant un nouveau "external links" : le lien peut se trouver avec ou sans le protocole sécurisé. —Eihel (talk) 22:36, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
    En effet, ce n'est pas moi qui ai mis ce chiffre de 10, rien qu'en se basant sur les éléments déjà existants, on est déjà à 200 environ. Ayack (talk) 12:02, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support  Conditional support Ayack The domain should be expanded to the annals available on the site (formatter URL). Thus w:fr:Catholicisme au Japon and others will be included in this identifier. I propose to add to the existing domain: group of humans (Q16334295) (regrouping vicar, catholicism, etc.), religious object (Q21029893) (for cathedral and other places of worship) and territorial entity (Q1496967). The number of Items will be less problematic. Cordially.Eihel (talk) 22:36, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
    The number of IDS is not problematic at all IMHO, hence I think a specific item for persons, more precise, would be a better idea. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 23:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
    Yes, if the identifiers bind identical WP pages, but in different languages. Examples: w:Joseph Marchand and w:de:Joseph Marchand. I take into account the palette (template): there are only about sixty entries. Also in the palette, there are other entries (including the one I added) that are in the search criteria of External links (1 and 2). All other entries will be grafted into this palette, and this palette can be introduced in other languages. The people are not enough because of lack of notoriety. It is better to expand the offer. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 01:21, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
    Merci de vos réponses Ayack —Eihel (talk) 14:16, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 06:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support --Gerwoman (talk) 15:49, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

  Comment More than 300 items already matched at catalog 2672 --Gerwoman (talk) 16:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Repertorium van ambtsdragers en ambtenaren idEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionid for people on a web site [1] with high level Dutch civil servants between 1428 and 1861
RepresentsRepertorium van ambtsdragers en ambtenaren (Q65032487)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values\d{1,5}
Example 1Johan Rudolph Thorbecke (Q182509) -> 548
Example 2William the Silent (Q78454) -> 9373
Example 3Willem René van Tuyll van Serooskerken (Q14856987) -> 93
Example 4Johan de Witt (Q318362) -> 4880
Example 5Pieter van Akerlaken (Q2047567) -> 4
Format and edit filter validationsee allowed values
Sourcehttp://resources.huygens.knaw.nl/repertoriumambtsdragersambtenaren1428-1861
Planned useadd to wikidata using mix 'n match (Mix 'n Match catalog 2675); use the site with Robbot to add more data (in particular position held (P39)) for the subjects
Number of IDs in source12093
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://resources.huygens.knaw.nl/repertoriumambtsdragersambtenaren1428-1861/app/personen/$1
Robot and gadget jobssee planned use

MotivationEdit

Contains (a link to) information, some of which is hard to find elsewhere, about a group presumably relevant people. Andre Engels (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 06:47, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support.--Vulphere 16:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Academic rankEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionrank hold by an academic
Representsacademic rank (Q486983)
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Claude Gauvard (Q1096766)professeur des universités (Q28004591) [start time (P580): 1990; end time (P582): 2009]
Example 2John Preskill (Q722128)associate professor (Q9344260)
Example 3Wilhelm Alzinger (Q85604)docent (Q462390)
See alsoprofessorship (P803)
Proposed byNomen ad hoc

professorship (P803) is only for specific chairs; this property would be applicable to all generic academic ranks. I also think that a dedicated property would be more convenient and accurate than only using position held (P39) (and even more than occupation (P106), as I see sometimes). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:40, 5 July 2019 (UTC).

(We could also widen it to research positions, such as Director of Research at CNRS (Q3029430).)

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User:fnielsen Daniel Mietchen Egon Willighagen Vladimir Alexiev Pintoch Simon Cobb User:Oa01 Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


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Ex æquo withEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionperson achieving the same rank at a competition
Representsex aequo (Q590503)
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Henry de Lesquen (Q3133201)concours d'entrée à l'École polytechnique (Q65150561) [ex æquo with: Vincent Piron (Q46487304)]
Example 2Michel Fauquier (Q59195186)agrégation d'histoire (Q2827277) [ex æquo with: Stéphane Van Damme (Q45832821)]
Example 3Jean-Paul Dumont (Q3168472)agrégation de philosophie (Q2827292) [ex æquo with: Daniel Pécaut (Q29969640)]
See alsotogether with (P1706)
Proposed byNomen ad hoc

I thought together with (P1706) could be use instead as a qualifier, but it actually doesn't seem to suit (see this discussion topic if you can read French). Hence I propose a dedicated property. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC).

MisterSynergy Thierry Caro &beer&love Vanbasten_23 Malore LesserJerome Сидик из ПТУ   Notified participants of WikiProject Sports: I've no such example but I assume that it could be useful for sport competitions. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC).

Runner1928 (talk) 22:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC) —M@sssly 10:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC) DarTar (talk) 04:19, 18 February 2016 (UTC) Abreu Guilherme (talk) 23:59, 19 March 2016 (UTC) Netha --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2018 (UTC) Tris T7 TT me Tris T7 (talk) Vahurzpu (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC) Jinoytommanjaly (talk)

  Notified participants of WikiProject Education: same as for educational tests or contests. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC).

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support Speltdecca (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose; I read the French discussion with Google Translate, and recommend to go with the ranking (P1352) qualifier approach instead—just as mentioned in the WD:Bistro topic as well. It does not matter with whom someone shared a ranking in a competition. —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:49, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
    ranking (P1352) is already in use. And so, according to you, follows (P155) and followed by (P156)'s claims are too useless regarding a competition... ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC).
    I am not sure what you mean regarding P155 and P156. Both properties have neither been mentioned on this page yet, nor in the WD:Bistro discussion… —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
    It is used to specify prior and following candidate ; so why not also a property for equal ones? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:26, 12 July 2019 (UTC).
    Now I have found some follows (P155) and followed by (P156) qualifiers on test taken (P5021) claims, but honestly I do not understand what they should to tell me…
    I got your ping as a member of the sports WikiProject, and from that perspective the proposed property is not necessary. Usually we use participant of (P1344) claims with event items as values and ranking (P1352) qualifiers to indicate the final result in that event (competition), and I do not see any need for an "ex æquo with" in that field. We also do not use follows/followed by qualifiers in that context. —MisterSynergy (talk) 09:51, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 05:16, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Question I have difficulty seeing the purpose. If you read about a person, why would it be be interesting who have an equal ranking for something? --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 16:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

NameEdit

TussenvoegselEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionDutch surnames have tussenvoegsels. These are so common that surnames are sorted not by the first letter of the surname but by the first letter of the word after the tussenvoegsel
Data typeItem
Domainfamily name (Q101352)
Example 1De Kok (Q2796392) "de" is the tussenvoegsel
Example 2Van der Velden (Q7913878) "van der" is the tussenvoegsel
Example 3van Leeuwen (Q2617253) "van" is the tussenvoegsel
Sourcetussenvoegsels
See also't (Q4540585) is a tussenvoegsel

MotivationEdit

Dutch surnames have tussenvoegsels. These are so common that surnames are sorted not by the first letter of the surname but by the first letter of the word after the tussenvoegsel. It is not uncommon for forms to ask to define it separately from the surname 1Veertje (talk) 11:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

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  •   Comment Maybe most common in Dutch, but don't other languages have something similar? Should this be limited to the Dutch case? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 07:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The description needs plaintest and doesn't allow wikitext. Please change the description to one that explains what the property is about to someone who doesn't know what Tussenvoegsel means. ChristianKl❫ 15:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  •   Question: are you proposing to use these on human or surname items? If we do the latter, do know we can't have "de Jong" and "De Jong" with the same description. I think it would make more sense to use it on the humans. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 13:42, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment @1Veertje: There is definitely more clarity needed here. Could names with the Irish "O'" prefix use this property? Would the "von" in Wernher von Braun (Q57384) and many similar German names be included? It seems extremely similar. If you have some references on what the differences are that might be helpful. Also please address the earlier questions here! ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
    • There is considerable variation. As I remember it, some French named are sorted with the nobiliary particle (Q355505) (which may make a better basename...) ignored, and some are not. Circeus (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm just not very sure myself. The thing is: the Dutch have so many surnames that start with a prefix that we don't sort them by the prefix and don't capitalize it when written after a given name. In Belgium they do capitalize the prefix and, as far as I know, sort by the prefix itself. That makes it make sense, like Sjoerd said, to make it somehow a parameter of the family name of a person? --1Veertje (talk) 17:13, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment maybe on the surname item, one could simply add it with "has part" and qualify that with "object has role". --- Jura 04:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

ProfessionEdit

ordained byEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionthe subject has been ordained by
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valueshuman (Q5)
Example 1François-Xavier Ross (Q3083733)André-Albert Blais (Q653990)
Example 2Serge Poitras (Q32634)Marius Paré (Q11880955)
Example 3Terrence Prendergast (Q202685)Thomas Benjamin Fulton (Q55079014)
Planned useAdd it to Catholic prelates

MotivationEdit

I would like to add the information on a subject Catholic prelate about which bishop has ordained him as priest. Amqui (talk) 15:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Ah, it was consecrator (P1598) I was thinking of. Isn't that the same thing as this proposal? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Consecrator is for bishop, not priest. Amqui (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Ok - but it's essentially the same thing isn't it? Or somehow not? I'm not sure we should be letting detailed religious terminology determine properties here! ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
  Oppose Use consecrator (P1598) unless somebody can explain how that's not sufficient. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
which are both subclasses of ordination (Q7519600). This seems a rather fine (and denomination-specific) distinction - why not just rename the current property to "ordained by" and have it apply to both cases and any others like this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
+1. Anyone know of any reason why we can't use one property for both types? --Yair rand (talk) 20:17, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
This property could be used for Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Anglican churches. In fact, the Infobox Christian leader has two different parameters: ordained_by and consecrated_by. --Gerwoman (talk) 10:42, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
@Gerwoman: Would "ordained by" be incorrect for any of the relevant groups? Does creating a separate property allow any data that otherwise wouldn't be possible to add? --Yair rand (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Is not incorrect Pmt. But in the case of a bishop, he was ordained by N1 as a deacon, ordained by N2 as a presbyter, and ordained by N3 as a bishop. How do you distinguish these 3 persons? What do you think Amqui? --Gerwoman (talk) 18:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support As the proposer. Amqui (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Ping Speltdecca ;). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC).

  Support :
priestly ordination (Q41463697) by ordinator (Q64086634) : ordinando (Q3885121) (Layperson (Q10317028) or deacon (Q161944)) -> Q64088408 (priest (Q42603))
episcopal consecration (Q40092973) by consecrator (P1598) : Q64089352 (priest (Q42603)) -> consacré (Q64089000) (bishop (Q29182))
Speltdecca (talk) 20:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
  Support For countries that one man can (de jure (Q132555)) have multiple religious believes (e.g. Mainland China), consecrator (P1598) can really be a problem, as you can't force that guy to always consecrator (P1598) some_values, but you can force to "this new property"->something. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
@Nomen ad hoc: Agree. appointed by (P748) should be good as a qualifier of correspondent entry of occupation (P106). The main concept is do NOT create a property by each position that may "nominate" somebody to be prelate (Q725440), priest (Q42603), bishop (Q29182) or cardinal (Q45722).Amadalvarez (talk) 08:36, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
This was the original motivation: "I would like to add the information on a subject Catholic prelate about which bishop has ordained him as priest." Priest is not a position but an occupation, as Nomen ad Hoc have just said and you agreed. Could you give some examples in this WD of somebody nominated to an occupation (writer (Q36180), actor (Q33999), astronaut (Q11631), opera singer (Q2865819) are the examples given in the definition of the property)? --Gerwoman (talk) 15:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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