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PersonEdit

married byEdit

   Under discussion

MotivationEdit

Adds who officiated a wedding or performed the marriage, either as a qualifier on the marriage or as a property of the marriage. This is my first proposal, so if its done wrong please let me know. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:00, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support Looks like a well-prepared proposal, thanks. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:23, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Infomuse (talk) 22:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 09:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose The description is inconsistent with the motivation. In cases of arranged marriages there's no indication in the description that this property shouldn't be used for the person who arranged the marriage. It's also not clear to me why this property needs to be specialized on marriage.
Maybe a general property named "officiated by" would be a better way to model the domain. ChristianKl❫ 07:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: "Officiated by" and "Married by" both refer to the same topic, wedding officiant (Q2661159). I just labeled this as married by since it is a more common phrasing. For arranged marriages, they are arranged by someone and married by someone else (though they can be the same person). Sorry if the description wasn't clear about that. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
When creating a property it's important to point to a clear concept, that stays clear when it gets translated into other languages that might have another tradition about what common phrasings happen to be. It's also important to investigate whether there are other relationships that are officiated in a similar way and whether the property might be created to cover them as well. ChristianKl❫ 19:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose To specialised. I would prefer a more general property for "officiant" or "officiated by" to use for all ceremonies which have an officiant. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 15:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
    •   Comment People used to use "location" as qualifier for spouse (P26) to indicate the place of marriage. Obviously, that was nonsense as the statement is about the spouse and not the marriage ceremony. At least as a qualifier for P26, I don't think a more general one could work. Still, if the participants of the ceremony are deemed notable, maybe it's a good reason to make a separate item about it. There participants can be listed and qualified with existing properties. --- Jura 16:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
It seems we miss a "wedding" qualifier – or I think "effectuating ceremony" would be better (more general) – to use with spouse (P26). There is now for instance
but you cannot see how that event relates to the spouse. With a "effectuating ceremony" qualifier the details of the wedding ceremony could be in the item for the wedding. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 11:08, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Couldn't statement is subject of (P805) be used in such cases? --Kam Solusar (talk) 13:09, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
: Yes, but that still leaves the issue of a property for who married the couple, and this only helps for the 29 items that are instance of (P31) wedding (Q49836). --DannyS712 (talk) 06:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't like this pattern of storing information about a wedding in qualifiers of the spouse (P26) property. place of marriage (P2842) was created (with 3 supporting and 3 against), and there's technically a lot of other data that could be included about weddings (type of wedding, budget/cost, images, witnesses, vow text, contract text, dowry, hosting institution, associated pre-wedding events, assorted participants, and so on). Each of these would require new dedicated properties if the data is to be stored as qualifiers to P26. --Yair rand (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Initial oppose Person who marries ... The quantity is already restricted, but the info is secondary compared to the act itself. Notoriety and relevance of such a property: if you find 100 entries and that in addition it can be interesting, I change my vote! Furthermore, this information can be included in WD otherwise. --Eihel (talk) 14:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I agree with Yair rand that information about the wedding shouldn't be in qualifiers for spouse (P26). Besides that it will require dedicated qualifiers, it will also duplicate the data if placed in the items for both spouses. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 15:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

historic firstEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionachievement or position held by subject as first of their social group
Representshistoric first (Q64510815)
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valuesvalue and all qualifier combined (except point in time/sourcing circumstances) should determine the historic first
Example 1Wentworth Cheswell (Q7983013)elected person (Q16060143)
qualified with ethnic group (P172)=African Americans (Q49085), country (P17)=United States of America (Q30)
Example 2Susanna M. Salter (Q3631124)mayor (Q30185)
qualified with sex or gender (P21)=female (Q6581072), country (P17)=United States of America (Q30)
Example 3Karolina Widerström (Q4110625)physician (Q39631)
qualified with sex or gender (P21)=female (Q6581072), country of citizenship (P27)=Sweden (Q34)

MotivationEdit

The idea is provide a way to model a historic first (Q64510815), especially firsts for historically underrepresented social groups. The property statement is placed on a human's item, the value is their achievement or position, and qualifiers are used to specify the social circumstances under which they count as a "first". Note that while the first female prime minister of a country would of course be queryable by other means, as all prime ministers are notable on Wikidata, the same is not at all true for physicians and similar.Pharos (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose I approve of the basic idea wholeheartedly, but I don't see anything near an actually functional implementation in the proposal. this sort of complex description is just not really possible in the Wikidata model IMO. It's likely that creating items with instance of (P31) historic first (Q64510815) (e.g. something titled "first election of an African-American to public office in the United States"), and linking those to the people through significant event (P793) is a more efficient approach. Circeus (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
    I don't believe creating many new items like "first election of an African-American to public office in the United States" would be at all scalable. Consider how many items we'd have to create just for "first licensed female physician in X place", for example, and the myriad other professions and positions. Not to mention that the second and third female physicians are often notable too, and this can also be expressed with qualifiers.--Pharos (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment @Circeus, Pharos: I reformatted the samples a bit. Maybe it's a bit clearer now. I think they should be feasible. Supposedly, it could work also without any qualifier? Eve > historic first > female. --- Jura 13:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
    Yes, I think it could work without a qualifier. Just wanted to explain the harder and more common case first.--Pharos (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support I like this approach better then the significant event (P793) one. ChristianKl❫ 15:06, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment maybe we should mention in the description that qualifiers (except "point in time" and sourcing circumstances) need to be read as cumulative conditions. --- Jura 15:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment in the first sample, elected person (Q16060143) might be better than elected office (Q17279032), and country (P17) or applies to jurisdiction (P1001) than country of citizenship (P27). Supposedly an American could have be elected to an office in another country. --- Jura 15:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
    Agreed, these seem like reasonable changes to me.--Pharos (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose per Circeus. --Tinker Bell 00:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Pharos: are you still interested in this? If so, could you attempt to address the comments. --- Jura 13:19, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support @Pharos: I updated the proposal per discussion. --- Jura 14:52, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Weak oppose I like the idea of being able to record this, and I think the revised proposal is pretty good, but I would still prefer using significant event (P793) and appropriate qualifiers. However, I don't think we would need to create a lot of single-use items as per Circeus's suggestion- we could combine the two approaches and use eg/ significant event (P793):first person, and qualifiers as above (ethnic group, gender, country) plus has quality (P1552):elected person (Q16060143) (or is there a better qualifier?).
The other reason for using significant event (P793) is that "historic first" is important, but so is "historic last" (albeit it's rarer). For example, Alessandro Moreschi (Q504969) is famous for being the last castrato musician, Teruo Nakamura (Q700512) was the last Japanese soldier to surrender (in 1974!), and there are quite a few items linked from w:Category:Last living survivors. There are also occasional cases where "only person" is notable, and it might not be appropriate to use "first" (since it's something not expected to happen again). I am sure there are other things we might want to treat as historic records in the same way. It also seems to be more appropriate to express things like "second person to do X" using significant event (P793) than by recording it under a property called "first".
Creating multiple different properties for last/only/etc is certainly possible, but it seems more straightforward to use significant event (P793) and then use an item to say first/last/only, with qualifiers to give the context as proposed above. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Good point. I think we should try to find a solution for "historic last" as well. @Pharos: what do you think?
    Creating new, likely unique, items for each in P793 doesn't seem practical, especially as then each item would need to include statements to provide the information in a structured way.
    A disadvantage of including a few general values in P793 could be that a separate way to read the qualifiers of such values is likely needed (and these may need to be excluded when trying to retrieve the others). --- Jura 07:26, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

exonerated ofEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptioncrime of which the subject was found not to be guilty after having previously been found guilty by a court for that crime.
Representsexoneration (Q5420623)
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valuescrime (Q83267)
Example 1Clarence Elkins (Q5126508)murder (Q132821)
Example 2Clarence Elkins (Q5126508)rape (Q47092)
Example 3Kenny Richey (Q6391188)murder (Q132821)
Sourcehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States
Planned useAdd to those who have been convicted of a crime and then exonerated; citation required
Number of IDs in source20+
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Robot and gadget jobsbots could identify candidates, but I don't think they should add the data

MotivationEdit

I've been doing some research on people who have been exonerated through the efforts of the Innocence Project, such as Clarence Elkins. His entry lists him as having been "convicted of" murder, but there is no structured data to show that he was exonerated of the crime. That lack of information is both incomplete and compounds the significant injustice of his experience. (The information about his exoneration is represented textually in the description, but is not reflected in a machine-readable way.) He and the many other people whose convictions have been overturned deserve to have their innocence reflected in our data. Kenirwin (talk) 03:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

I'm proposing this as a property to be applied to a human item, but I could also imagine this data being represented differently: as a qualifier to a "convicted of" crime, example: convicted of (P1399) -> piracy (Q45393) + qualifier: "exonerated" -> point in time (Q186408). If we have to choose between the two data models, I prefer the main proposal because it allows for multiple attributes on the exoneration and to have its own citations. But I wonder if it would also make sense to have an "exonerated" or "conviction overturned" qualifier too. What do you think? -Kenirwin (talk) 03:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  •   Support David (talk) 06:41, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I prefer the second model, because it makes clear which murder conviction was overturned -- someone may have more than one conviction of the same kind, so it's good to tie the exoneration to the particular offence. But, as you note, it raises a difficulty of not being able to put qualifiers on a qualifier -- eg which court considered the appeal. Should it also be possible to record appeals that were unsuccessful? We should also have a way of recording pardons. It would be good if we could come up with a more generic way to record all sorts of revisions post-conviction. (including eg sentences appealed and increased). Jheald (talk) 20:10, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Should this be two different properties, one intended as a qualifier and one intended as an item property? As a qualifier I think it would just have a date; as an item property, I imagine there are a lot of properties it might take. I agree with Jheald (talkcontribslogs) that it would be good to do a more thorough examination of how we handle all sorts of outcomes. How does the Wikidata community go about such things? -Kenirwin (talk) 21:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment In any form I support this property's existence. I think it makes sense to model out other rulings as well. I haven't found a data model for this yet. It should also carry a citation required constraint. For now, I favor it having parallel usage with "convicted of"...i.e. it would be its own property where editors could specify what the person was exonerated of as a qualifier. Wskent (talk) 22:36, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support creation of exonerated of. In response to questions about time, etc., we can do Kenny Richey (Q6391188)<exonerated of>murder (Q132821)statement is subject of (P805)<exoneration item>, and the exoneration item has instance of (P31) exoneration (Q5420623) and then can have its own point in time (P585) for when, etc. Its better to store the associated data in a separate item, in my opinion. --DannyS712 (talk) 05:35, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure how exoneration works but is a person who's exonerated still convicted of the crime? I would expect that they aren't and thus it would be proper in our data-model to deprecitate the claim. ChristianKl❫ 12:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
*@ChristianKl: - that's a really good point.

IdentifierEdit

Doximity IDEdit

   Under discussion
RepresentsDoximity (Q5303699)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed units[a-zA-Z-_]+
Example 1Laura H. Rosenberger (Q64416035) value laura-rosenberger-md
Example 2Bernard Fisher (Q4893126) value bernard-fisher-md
Example 3Wolfram Samlowski (Q8030195) value wolfram-samlowski-md
Sourcehttps://www.doximity.com/
Number of IDs in source1 million
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.doximity.com/pub/$1

MotivationEdit

Has a lot of profiles about publications / work experience about medical doctors in the US 1Veertje (talk) 11:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 04:44, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2019 (EST)
  •   Support --Trade (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose   Neutral The notoriety of the people alive of this db seems to restrict the number of entry. From here, I feel that the Items will multiply to enter other identifier of this db.
    In addition, it is only for the United States. There are more people known in the rest of the World than in one country. The number of identifiers will decrease drastically. Sorry.
    conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838): date of death (P570). So for Christiaan Barnard (Q188803), Doximity ask me to create a new account ("Welcome, Christiaan Barnard", for someone who died 18 years ago.)   There is still a lot of items that are not affected. --Eihel (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
@Eihel: it's a CV platform like LinkedIn for doctors. Not everybody has to be notable on a platform for it to be useful link to include in the wikidata item. There a fair few country specific identifiers, that they are currently focused on expansion in the US is not an argument. Could you link to where you read the prompt for Christiaan Barnard? I don't see it. What do you mean by "a lot of items not being affected"? 1Veertje (talk) 23:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property proposal/IWM Lives of the First World War ID

Academic rankEdit

   Under discussion

professorship (P803) is only for specific chairs; this property would be applicable to all generic academic ranks. I also think that a dedicated property would be more convenient and accurate than only using position held (P39) (and even more than occupation (P106), as I see sometimes). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:40, 5 July 2019 (UTC).

(We could also widen it to research positions, such as Director of Research at CNRS (Q3029430).)

Pintoch
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits
ArthurPSmith
Vladimir Alexiev (talk)
Toniher
Runner1928
Daniel Mietchen (talk)
Satpal Dandiwal (talk)
danielt998
Sush_0809 (talk)
John Samuel Nomen ad hoc
OdileB(talk)
Ivanhercaz
Mlemusrojas
Jjfloyd
Kippelboy
Germartin1
Benjamenta
Simon Cobb
Mathieu Saby
Kiwi2020

  Notified participants of WikiProject Universities. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:42, 5 July 2019 (UTC).

User:fnielsen Daniel Mietchen Egon Willighagen Vladimir Alexiev Pintoch Simon Cobb User:Oa01 Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


  Notified participants of WikiProject Research projects. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2019 (UTC).

Daniel Mietchen DarTar Ppgardne Michael Cochez Alexander Doria Maximilianklein Renepick Lambert Heller Beat Estermann Cornelia Flavia Veja Tobias1984 Silvio Peroni Alastair Dunning Aubrey Snipre Andrew Su Karima Rafes Alen Vodopijevec Henry Rzepa Scott Edmunds Emw Matthiassamwald Missvain Vladimir Alexiev Petermr WiseWoman Jodi.a.schneider NavinoEvans Jan van Oort Andy Mabbett Konrad Foerstner Egon Willighagen Ben Moore Z. Ainali HLHJ Ale Abdo a.k.a. Solstag jibe-b GuZ-MPG Kristina Hettne Lilaroja Runner1928 Almondega lv_ra Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) Rudy Patard ArthurPSmith Diana de la Iglesia Netha Pintoch OdileB YULdigitalpreservation Lozana Rossenova Jonathan Brier a.k.a. wolfgang8741 Jneubert econterms T0mpr1c3 Vladimir Alexiev Ivanhercaz Trilotat Benjamenta Nomen ad hoc Tris T7 TT meSimon Cobb Alessandro Marchetti sky Juliansteinb Maria zaos Josephguillaume Cavernia GoEThe


  Notified participants of WikiProject Wikidata for research. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:44, 5 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   Support David (talk) 06:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Can you plz elaborate on this? What makes it more accurate and more convenient? I am not sure at this moment what it adds, and then it only adds confusion. @Hannolans, Linnborghuis, Sjoerddebruin: how does it relate to your efforts around Dutch professor positions? --Egon Willighagen (talk) 09:00, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
    The current situation is already confused: academic ranks are either declared as an occupation, or a position. Such property would fix this hesitation. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC).
  •   Oppose This property might be convienent but it is likely to make the distinction between the academic (Q3400985) and academic rank (Q486983) classes much less clear. In my opinion, it would be sensible to avoid doing that. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 17:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
    Hi Simon, sorry, didn't see your comment prior. Would you have some examples of academic (Q3400985) subclasses? I think that the distinction wouldn't be very difficult: academic (Q3400985) subclasses would logically be for field of speciality, whereas academic rank (Q486983) rather refers to generical titles, shared by academics from all kinds of discipline. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:30, 21 July 2019 (UTC).
  •   Comment Hi, I have a problem with the description as a title which I have found on several of these things. The examples you give are not titles (a title is : Dr, Prof., etc). There are positions, functions and jobs. If you enter the issue of ranks, then you have in France for instance "professeur de 1ere classe" or "maitre de conférences de classe exceptionnelle", etc. Best, --Cgolds (talk) 08:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Why not position held (P39)? ChristianKl❫ 13:00, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
    Why not; but currently the use is very disordered; very often these positions are declared as occupations (see e.g. for French professors); and furthermore, I was sometimes reverted while declaring it as a classical position. So a dedicated property would certainly stabilize the use. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:06, 14 August 2019 (UTC).
    Just define the rank as a subclass of the occupation. This is indeed a specific case. author  TomT0m / talk page 16:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    @Nomen ad hoc: I’d do something like that :
    Et peut-être même
      Oppose introducing new standards because existing standards aren't used consistently is a bad idea. ChristianKl❫ 09:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
    Which are exactly the suitable standards for academic ranks? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC).
    It seems to me like exact standards aren't defined. If you want an exact definition the place to go is a relevant Wikiproject where you can reach consensus on a specific standard. ChristianKl❫ 07:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Germany06.Ru person IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a participants of 2006 FIFA World Cup at Germany06.Ru site
Representsno label (Q65807968)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Graham Poll (Q314352)germany06/players/152497
Example 2Marco van Basten (Q483629)netherlands/kz_151543
Example 3Andriy Shevchenko (Q41244)ukraine/players/152128
Sourcehttp://www.germany06.ru/teams/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.germany06.ru/teams/$1.shtml
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?
See also

MotivationEdit

Series of biographies of football players, coaches and referees who participated in 2006 FIFA World Cup (Q37285), prepared by the Gazeta.ru (Q595181) staff. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 07:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 07:09, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Question do all six properties use the same identifier for the same person (numeric part in the sample above)? --- Jura 11:24, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Very limited scope.--Jklamo (talk) 15:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
    • 24×32+25=793. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 17:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Similar properties for the European championships have already been made, and there are half as many participants, so it will be strange not to create this in the end. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 10:16, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support --Trade (talk) 22:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support --Mitte27 (talk) 21:07, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose per Jklamo. Limited number of values/limited temporal scope. --- Jura 12:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support ЯЁ32Ы (talk) 14:56, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Faculté des sciences de Nancy IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an employee of the 'Faculté des sciences de Nancy' (1854-1950)
RepresentsFaculté des sciences de Nancy (Q66571629)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Georges-Marie-Florent Arth (Q55672714)ARTH
Example 2Dagobert Bach (Q56070883)BACH
Example 3Roger-Guy Werner (Q6111008)WERNER
Sourcehttp://cussenot-fst-nancy.ahp-numerique.fr/cussenot2/gestion/fiche_liste.php
Formatter URLhttp://cussenot-fst-nancy.ahp-numerique.fr/cussenot2/alphabetique.php?recherche=$1
Proposed byNomen ad hoc

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:23, 18 August 2019 (UTC).

ScienceOpen author IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionID of an author in ScienceOpen
RepresentsScienceOpen (Q22666524)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpeople
Allowed values[0-9a-f]{8}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{12}
Example 1Naim Jerliu (Q13043295)bb4f3960-bf46-4b1c-9d9e-684a408432a4
Example 2Shantanu Chowdhury (Q27734996) → 0cf90d52-2935-47a5-a842-2f68d3fb776e
Example 3Raghavan Varadarajan (Q27663254) → 24001469-aedb-4b36-abf0-4fdb3eb2ecc5
Example 4Vinod Bhakuni (Q27517537) → 2ddb2abf-e318-447d-ba14-eb8b6122d64f
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source25,179,626 though many records are empty
Expected completenessalways incomplete
Formatter URLhttps://www.scienceopen.com/user/$1
Robot and gadget jobsprobably

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) GZWDer (talk) 19:38, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 07:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose only due to the lack of a motivation statement. Once a proper motivation is added I will support this proposal. Mahir256 (talk) 16:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC).
  •   Support --Trade (talk) 20:45, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @GZWDer: please see Mahir256`s comment and update the same. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

madhhabEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionschool of thought (Q1387659) within fiqh (Q484181)
Representsmadhhab (Q209928)
Data typeItem
Domainbiography
Example 1Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari (Q316349)Malikism (Q48221)
Example 2Morocco (Q1028)Malikism (Q48221) (example of the property used to describe a country)
Example 3Al-Shafi‘i (Q294281)Shafi`i (Q82245)
Example 4Ahmad ibn Hanbal (Q194442)Hanbalism (Q233387)
Example 5Said bin Sultan (Q506193)Ibadi (Q243551)
Example 6Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani (Q560078)Ẓāhirī (Q140592)
Sourcew:Madhhab
Planned useMuslims (mostly scholars and imams), muslim countries, madrassahs, and other Islamic educational institutions

MotivationEdit

This is my first time i suggest a property, maybe a Muslim user or any interested user can help me. Ruwaym (talk) 10:56, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Comment This property, if I understand where you're going with this, seems similar to movement (P135), although that property does not seem to be used with religious subgroups. Perhaps the scope of this property can be readjusted to allow for use with other religious schools of thought? Mahir256 (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Please provide examples. Otherwise, why aren't the schools of thoughts values for religion (P140)? ChristianKl❫ 08:02, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: I have added the examples as requested. Thoughts? --Trade (talk) 22:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
I explained her. About "why aren't the schools of thoughts values for religion", If you mean we put "maddhab" on same property under religion, (like Q67180122), I guess It is not standard. For example a Muslim religion is "Islam", his maddhab can be "Hanafism", his movement can be "Islamic modernism". I ping @باسم: from Arabic Wikipedia, he knows better. --Ruwaym (talk) 10:57, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Madhhab should go under Religion naturally, particularly under Islam, like @Ruwaym: said. For Example: A Person's religion would be Islam, his sect would be Sunni, his madhab would be Hanafism.
movement (P135), in Islam, would be to discribe if he is a Salafi or Ash'ari, in other words is to show what theological school or movement he / she belongs toباسم (talk) 11:18, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
@باسم: Most items uses religion (P140) to describe if someone is a salafi or sufi. Do you want this changed? To @Ruwaym:, do you want this property to be limited to persons? Or do you think it should be used on countries, organizations and madrassas as well? --Trade (talk) 22:07, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Trade you mentioned a good point, Maddhab is all about education ,Traditional at madrassahs, Modern days at universities. So, you changed my mind, This property also can be used for madrassahs, and other Islamic educational institutions. About countries can be used too, like Iran mentioned in it's constitution The official religion of Iran is Islam and the Twelver Ja'farî school [in usul al-Dîn and fiqh], and this principle will remain eternally immutable. Your examples are good, however not famous ones. Also remember for this property, One is not enough, many scholars changed their maddhabs, or madrassahs for all madhhabs. --Ruwaym (talk) 05:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
@Trade: It's not correct to describe Salafism or Sufism as a religion as in religion (P140). They are not even sects in Islam like Sunnism and Shi'ism, they are schools of thought, so they would fit better with movement (P135), or with their own seperate property. Bestباسم (talk) 06:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
@باسم: I'm not saying they are religions, i'm just pointing out how people currently are using the property. We might start a discussion on the project chat about the scope of the 'Religion' property. @Ruwaym:, i have tried to update the proposal to include more famous scholars. --Trade (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
In the Christian context it's common to see subsets of Christianity like Mormonism (Q747802) as being religions. It seems to me like the relationship between Sunni Islam and Islam as a whole is comparable to that of Christianity and Mormonism (Q747802). Do you consider that to be a qualitatively different relationship? If so, what's the nature of the difference?
Enwiki seems to consider Ibadi (Q243551) to be a valid value for the religion of Said bin Sultan (Q506193). In the examples here that is suggested as the mathab of Sulaiman al-Barouni (Q2440021) but not of that of Said bin Sultan (Q506193). What kinds of problems do you see with that modelling decision of enwiki? ChristianKl❫ 17:05, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
@ChristianKl:I do not know why i added Ẓāhirī (Q140592) as a a valid value for the madhab of Said bin Sultan (Q506193). Since it seems to be wrong i've decided to replace him with someone better known. @باسم: and @Ruwaym: you might wanna view his comment. --Trade (talk) 23:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: Differences between Madhhab in Islam and Christian denominations? Well, I can show this map and this article. @Trade:, I can help you for more famous scholar for each maddhab: Muhammad al-Shaybani (Q293612) for Hanafi, Al-Mawardi (Q335635) for Shafi'i, Abu Dawood (Q336558) for Hanbali, Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni (Q2973730) for Ja'fari, Idris Imad al-Din (Q7660476) for Isma'ilism and Jābir ibn Zayd (Q6035355) for Ibadi .--Ruwaym (talk) 00:39, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't think that the "Sects in the Islamic World" article supports the claim that no correspondence exists here. It says "The principal difference between a madhhab and a denomination as the concept is normally understood (and as denominations exist in theWest) is that a madhhab is not really an organized body."
When we speak about Christian denominations in their role as subclasses of Christianity we are not focusing on them being organized bodies. ChristianKl❫ 13:22, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

WeChat IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionaccount identifier of this item on WeChat
RepresentsWeChat (Q283233)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuesstring pattern
Example 1Walmart (Q483551) → Walmart_Hyper
Example 2Embassy of the Netherlands, Beijing (Q38053030) → DutchEmbassy_BJ
Example 3Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China (Q1155502) → waijiaoxiaolingtong
See alsowebsite account on (P553)

MotivationEdit

(Not sure if this is a property that may violate privacy (Q44601380) proposal or not)

I think it's enough today to have a property for WeChat users? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

doujinshi.org author IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionthe artist ID on doujinshi.org
RepresentsThe Doujinshi & Manga Lexicon (Q68394971)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Nakayohi Mogudan (Q3869994) -> 332
Example 2Satoshi Urushihara (Q549755) -> 130
Example 3Yoshihiro Nakamura (Q3197671) -> 220
Example 4Shintaro Kago (Q1335558) -> 5296
Sourcehttps://www.doujinshi.org
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usewell, add this property to artists?
Number of IDs in sourcethere are currently 224538 authors indexed on doujinshi.org
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.doujinshi.org/browse/author/$1/

MotivationEdit

Should allow anyone to see a list of works (manga, doujinshi, prepublication, etc.) of an artist (also, I plan on adding the same for circle after this proposal if I can find enough example)  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iireka (talk • contribs) at 07:36, September 27, 2019‎ (UTC).

DiscussionEdit

Czech Fortuna liga player IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for football player on site Czech Fortuna liga
RepresentsCzech First League (Q217016)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Tomáš Hübschman (Q299717)1034
Example 2Tomáš Souček (Q20860081)2986
Example 3Bořek Dočkal (Q388835)1630
Sourcehttp://en.fortunaliga.cz
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://en.fortunaliga.cz/hrac/$1-
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?
See alsoFootball Federation of Ukraine player ID (P3662) Russian Premier League player ID (P4417) FACR player ID (P3050) Fotbal DNES player ID (P3663)

MotivationEdit

Valuable statistical data and other bio info by Czech Fortuna liga footballers. --Mitte27 (talk) 21:50, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Professional Football League of Ukraine player IDEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for football player on site Professional Football League of Ukraine
RepresentsProfessional Football League of Ukraine (Q2010547)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Mladen Bartulović (Q978612)18160
Example 2Serhiy Kravchenko (Q969865)18759
Example 3Oleksandr Akymenko (Q4059494)15928
Sourcehttp://pfl.ua/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://pfl.ua/players/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?
See alsoFootball Federation of Ukraine player ID (P3662), Ukrainian Premier League player ID (P7362)

MotivationEdit

Valuable statistical data and other bio info by Professional Football League of Ukraine (Q2010547) (Ukrainian First League (Q1561244) and Ukrainian Second League (Q2532727)) footballers. --Mitte27 (talk) 14:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

  •   Support Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 15:15, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 15:47, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support --Gabbg82 (talk) 09:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Mitte27: I tried to create this property but an automatic check failed: label and description are identical for language ru. Please fix your proposal and your property will be created shortly. This is an automated message but do not hesitate to ping me if you need any help. − Pintoch (talk) 19:52, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
    @Pintoch:   Done --Mitte27 (talk) 20:35, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Eu-football.info referee IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionEu-football.info identifier for an association football (soccer) referee
Representseu-football.info (Q19428050)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Martin Atkinson (Q927651)3157
Example 2Damir Skomina (Q315246)2568
Example 3Peco Bauwens (Q73062)205
Sourcehttps://eu-football.info/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://eu-football.info/_referee.php?id=$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?
See alsoWorldFootball.net referee ID (P6314), TheFinalBall referee ID (P6315), Transfermarkt referee ID (P3699)

MotivationEdit

Valuable statistical data, professions outside football and another bio data. IDs for EU-Football.info player ID (P3726) are differnt. --Mitte27 (talk) 02:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

WorldReferee.com referee IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionWorldReferee.com identifier for an association football (soccer) referee
Representsworldreferee.com (Q19801038)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Néstor Pitana (Q7071484)nestor_pitana
Example 2Bibiana Steinhaus (Q60321)bibiana_steinhaus
Example 3Tessema Bamlak (Q7705653)bamlak_tessema
Sourcehttps://worldreferee.com/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://worldreferee.com/referee/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?
See alsoWorldFootball.net referee ID (P6314), TheFinalBall referee ID (P6315), Transfermarkt referee ID (P3699)

MotivationEdit

Valuable statistical data, professions outside football and another bio data. --Mitte27 (talk) 02:49, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Renaud Camus person IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a person mentioned on the Journal of Renaud Camus
RepresentsJournal (Q70012297)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Henry de Lesquen (Q3133201)3292
Example 2Tony Duvert (Q982029)1885
Example 3David Bowie (Q5383)7716
Sourcehttp://www.renaud-camus.net/index-general/?index=1&unlivre=16&initiale=
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Formatter URLhttp://www.renaud-camus.net/index-general/?personne=$1
Proposed byNomen ad hoc

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:57, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  Support --Kolja21 (talk) 21:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
  Support --Deansfa (talk) 02:10, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
  Support. Personnalité sujette à la controverse mais Wikidata peut sans doute bien stocker ceci aussi. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:23, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
  Oppose Podemos esperar a que ocupe el Élysée Palace (Q188190) o el Panthéon (Q188856) --Gerwoman (talk) 18:20, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Gerwoman: a ver, no les ocuparé nunca ya que ha renunciado a las elecciones después su ultima derrota. Además fue inicialmente conocido como escritor, y se volvió en ensayista y activista político sólo durante los años 2000. Es decir que este Journal es también un testimonio de la vida política francesa. (Apologies for my broken Dpanish ^^!) Nomen ad hoc (talk) 17:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC).
In my opinion, we shouldn't have 1500 links from WD to the personal web page of a living person. --Gerwoman (talk) 18:23, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  Oppose I'm not sure that such a controversial person can be considered as a valuable reference. Pymouss (talk) 20:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Pymouss: it wouldn't be used as a reference, but as an external identifier. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC).
  Oppose We can't create identifiers properties for every blog on the web. -Ash Crow (talk) 13:42, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Ash Crow: this website directly comes out from his published Journal. And this Journal, which can't be compared to a mere "blog", has a certain notoriety; see for instance some dedicated studies:
  1. Emmanuel Carrère (Q713747), "Notes d'un second couteau du Journal", in Q3579029, 10, 1999, pp. 35-39;
  2. Catherine Rannoux, "Fendre l'air", in Les Fictions du journal littéraire : Paul Léautaud, Jean Malaquais, Renaud Camus, Droz, 2004;
  3. Thomas Clerc (Q14930676), "Le Journal de Renaud Camus est-il bathmologique ?", in Ralph Sarkonak (ed.), Les Spirales du sens chez Renaud Camus, Rodopi, 2009, pp. 139-165.
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

Jura
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Marsupium
Skim (talk) 07:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Satpal Dandiwal (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

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Aga
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Tubezlob
PAC2
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Pymouss
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Manu1400
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Le Passant
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Soccerway referee IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionSoccerway identifier for an association football (soccer) referee
RepresentsSoccerway (Q24192203)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Antonio Mateu Lahoz (Q3619862)46239
Example 2Néstor Pitana (Q7071484)115731
Example 3Teodora Albon (Q8189104)98445
Sourcehttps://int.soccerway.com/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://int.soccerway.com/referees/-/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?
See alsoWorldFootball.net referee ID (P6314), TheFinalBall referee ID (P6315), Transfermarkt referee ID (P3699)

MotivationEdit

Valuable statistical data, professions outside football and another bio data. IDs for Soccerway player ID (P2369) are differnt. --Mitte27 (talk) 02:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

CanadaSoccer.com person IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a person at the CanadaSoccer.com
RepresentsQ70762320
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Julian de Guzman (Q362857)890
Example 2Myron Bereza (Q2071001)376
Example 3Holger Osieck (Q505836)2432
Sourcehttps://canadasoccer.com
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://canadasoccer.com/?pid=$1&t=profile
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?
See alsoRusTeam player ID (P6317)

MotivationEdit

Bio info and stats by football persons of Canada. --Mitte27 (talk) 18:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

NameEdit

candidate name stringEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionstring to store unspecified candidate name in election data; use if Wikidata item for candidate (P726) does not exist or is not known
Representshuman (Q5)
Data typeString
Domainitems for individual elections
Allowed values.*
Example 12009 Indian general election in Kolkata Dakshin Lok Sabha constituency (Q64228989) → "Leela Hans", "Jayanta Datta", "Ram Chandra Prasad", ...
Example 22004 Indian general election in Malda Lok Sabha constituency (Q64274810) → "Naresh Rishi", "Atul Chandra Mandal", "Parimal Mardi", ...
Example 31999 Indian general election in Malda Lok Sabha constituency (Q64347831) → "Budhrai Kisku", "Biswanath Guha", "Ataur Rahman", ...
Sourceas appropriate for the election at hand
Planned usefor later imports of Indian election data, use this instead of creating new empty candidate items or matching to the wrong candidate items
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
See alsoauthor name string (P2093)

MotivationEdit

For a lot of elections, many of the candidates for whom results are available do not immediately have items on Wikidata, yet it is still necessary for completeness to record their results in the items for the elections in which they take part. (This is similar to how, for many scientific articles, their authors may not have Wikidata items but we still mark them with author name string (P2093) for completeness.) When @Bodhisattwa: imported detailed data for the 2014 Indian general election (Q3587169) some months ago, 1) quite a few fairly empty items for candidates got made (some of which are still kind of empty, like Badri Mondal (Q64003114)), 2) there were many candidates who got matched to items for people who, on further examination, clearly could not have taken part in the election (such as, until it was corrected, the long-passed Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan (Q156349)) and 3) there were many candidates who, due to similarities in name, ended up being listed inaccurately as taking part in multiple elections (such as, until it was rectified on five distinct election items, Kumar Deepak Das (Q6443477)).

Although it is possible with great effort to rectify such mistakes as I have described after they have been made automatically, this property would be used to prevent such mistakes from occurring again from the get-go unnecessarily. (It also parallels the practice of not creating author items automatically when importing articles, but instead later matching author name string (P2093)s with a tool like SourceMD.) Mahir256 (talk) 04:34, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

ProfessionEdit

ordained byEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionthe subject has been ordained by
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valueshuman (Q5)
Example 1François-Xavier Ross (Q3083733)André-Albert Blais (Q653990)
Example 2Serge Poitras (Q32634)Marius Paré (Q11880955)
Example 3Terrence Prendergast (Q202685)Thomas Benjamin Fulton (Q55079014)
Planned useAdd it to Catholic prelates

MotivationEdit

I would like to add the information on a subject Catholic prelate about which bishop has ordained him as priest. Amqui (talk) 15:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Ah, it was consecrator (P1598) I was thinking of. Isn't that the same thing as this proposal? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Consecrator is for bishop, not priest. Amqui (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Ok - but it's essentially the same thing isn't it? Or somehow not? I'm not sure we should be letting detailed religious terminology determine properties here! ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
  Oppose Use consecrator (P1598) unless somebody can explain how that's not sufficient. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
which are both subclasses of ordination (Q7519600). This seems a rather fine (and denomination-specific) distinction - why not just rename the current property to "ordained by" and have it apply to both cases and any others like this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
+1. Anyone know of any reason why we can't use one property for both types? --Yair rand (talk) 20:17, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
This property could be used for Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Anglican churches. In fact, the Infobox Christian leader has two different parameters: ordained_by and consecrated_by. --Gerwoman (talk) 10:42, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
@Gerwoman: Would "ordained by" be incorrect for any of the relevant groups? Does creating a separate property allow any data that otherwise wouldn't be possible to add? --Yair rand (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Is not incorrect Pmt. But in the case of a bishop, he was ordained by N1 as a deacon, ordained by N2 as a presbyter, and ordained by N3 as a bishop. How do you distinguish these 3 persons? What do you think Amqui? --Gerwoman (talk) 18:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support As the proposer. Amqui (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Ping Speltdecca ;). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC).

  Support :
priestly ordination (Q41463697) by ordinator (Q64086634) : ordinando (Q3885121) (Layperson (Q10317028) or deacon (Q161944)) -> Q64088408 (priest (Q42603))
episcopal consecration (Q40092973) by consecrator (P1598) : Q64089352 (priest (Q42603)) -> consacré (Q64089000) (bishop (Q29182))
Speltdecca (talk) 20:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
  Support For countries that one man can (de jure (Q132555)) have multiple religious believes (e.g. Mainland China), consecrator (P1598) can really be a problem, as you can't force that guy to always consecrator (P1598) some_values, but you can force to "this new property"->something. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
@Nomen ad hoc: Agree. appointed by (P748) should be good as a qualifier of correspondent entry of occupation (P106). The main concept is do NOT create a property by each position that may "nominate" somebody to be prelate (Q725440), priest (Q42603), bishop (Q29182) or cardinal (Q45722).Amadalvarez (talk) 08:36, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
This was the original motivation: "I would like to add the information on a subject Catholic prelate about which bishop has ordained him as priest." Priest is not a position but an occupation, as Nomen ad Hoc have just said and you agreed. Could you give some examples in this WD of somebody nominated to an occupation (writer (Q36180), actor (Q33999), astronaut (Q11631), opera singer (Q2865819) are the examples given in the definition of the property)? --Gerwoman (talk) 15:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Strong oppose So many properties have been found to replace this proposition. —Eihel (talk) 00:47, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  Not done In view of the opinions expressed, the proposal does not seem to lead to a Property. Open since 186 days, I classify this proposal in not done. —Eihel (talk) 09:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
It isn't very polite that a user that "strongly oppose" to the property close it as "not done". --Gerwoman (talk) 18:09, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Weak oppose The existing consecrator (P1598) statements should be moved to be qualifiers as suggested above. This would be a better structure, and would open the way to P1598 being renamed to the more generic "ordained by", whilst preserving specificity. There may be advantage in keeping it a separate property from appointed by (P748), to distinguish ordination to a particular level in the church from appointment to a particular parish or see -- it would make the two different sorts of fact easier to distinguish in queries. However, I would be open to the suggestion that creating a new property and deprecating P1598 might be the easiest way to manage the transition. Jheald (talk) 15:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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