User talk:Wittylama

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Wittylama/Archive 1 on 2015-12-20.

Hi Liam,

I put in a session to discuss WikiCite during the 24 hour meetup for Wikidata's birthday. It is scheduled for 20:00 UTC on 28th October (see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Eighth_Birthday/24-hours_meetup), which I believe will be a (fairly) reasonable time to attend for people in many locations worldwide.

You are welcome to be a co-facilitator or if you'd rather run the session yourself I will step aside.

All the best, Simon

Hi @Sic19, I'm as enthusiastic as anyone that WikiCite could be a topic of general discussion, but I wonder if you had noticed that we're already planning a multi-day event leading up that meetup. See Wikidata:Eighth_Birthday. I fear people might be 'over it' by that point? What was it that you would hope people specifically talk about, or that you wanted to specifically discuss during the hour you propose - perhaps that could instead be incorporated into the eConference. Actually, I'll be making a call for 'hosts' of segments of that conference (i'm looking to have 'blocks' of time about 3-4 hours, each hosted by different people - at a time, language, and sub-topic related to citations of their choosing.) Perhaps you might like to be one of those hosts, or at least a presenter. Or perhaps you'd even like to coordinate a block of time for the conference in Welsh?

Hi Liam,

Thanks, no the meetup wasn't on my radar at all. Completely agree that the session is unnecessary post WikiCite event and have changed it to a general, non-Wikicite discussion.

The topic I would like to discuss is author items and I'd gladly host a session on it. My particular interest is how we can work towards automated solution for the creation of good quality items to represent the authors of all the works we have created, specifically using ORCID source data. I've have worked extensively on the addition of employer and/or educated at claims to sparse author items for about two years and developed an understanding of the challenges that need to be resolved. This work has always (when done correctly) been well received by the community and it is a necessary component in the process of matching authors to their papers. However, I am reaching the limit of what I can do alone, thus a collaborative approach is now required. I'm definitely up for presenting on the current situation and potential next steps. Ideally that would be combined with other contributions relating to author items and some activity/workshop time.

If that sounds like a viable segment and/or presentation let me know and we can get it arranged. Can set up a call if you want to discuss?

I'm not a Welsh speaker so I'll have to pass on the opportunity to coordinate a Welsh-language session. @Jason.nlw might be up for it?

that certainly sounds like a viable session! I'm trying to get all my ducks in order to make a call for pairs of 'hosts' to organise sessions throughout the three day period. Each of those would then be picking a timeslot, language, and subject-area to focus on in their session - and then be inviting/requesting people to present (live or pre-recorded) in it.

@LWyatt (WMF) - sorry, just noticed your using a different account

The English Wikipedia does not have a birth date for Pinarius. It's pretty common sense on Wikidata that items "Imported from [random] wiki" are usually garbage. I don't have the time to look into this guy's biography, but as the enwiki article only has when he "flourished", I would say his birth date has not been pegged to the accuracy you'd normally want for a structured database to say "he was born on this day"

ok, well, in that case, please put in the best other birthdate you can find - or better yet use separate property floruit (P1317) if that's what the sources say, plus the reference for that source. If you've got another more-verifiable birthdate, please change the rank of that statement to 'preferred'.

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Hi Wittylama! Could you add basque (eu) to the list of languages? Thank you!

Certainly. I will do this tomorrow!

I started with the first 20 translations to Upper Sorbian (hsb), can you add this as well? Thanks!

Dear J - It's been a month since the start of this campaign now, and most of the work has slowed down a lot. We now have 24 languages in the tracking document which have 100% labels translated, and all of the terms have a 'subclass_of' statement which helps to explain their context. Could you please make another push to translate some of the labels of items remaining in Upper Sorbian? Currently U.S. is 62% item labels translated, 23% descriptions, and 48% subclass_of labels translated.

Dear @Xabier Cañas and @J budissin - these have now been added. Thank you so much for your help!

Hi Liam,

There is no Macedonian language in the project.

Would you like to add (mk)?

Thank you

I will do it later today. As per my question regarding Albanian (below), can you tell me how many labels, descriptions, and subclass_of labels you have added already so I can manually back-date the statistics: which will then show your work into the future more accurately?

I will be out for several hours. I have to check labels one by one, will do it at the evening if that is not problem. :)

I think you misunderstand my question. How many of the label, description. And suclass_of labels have you *already* translated?

I have now added Macedonian with the current statistics, which I assume havn't changed since yesterday anyway. Happy translating!

I am not sure how to add missing subclass labels?

All other labels are translated

Thank you so much for your work! It’s good to see another language “go blue” in the statistics when I update them again :-)

It seems though that there is ONE more item missing a Macedonian label: [[Q4354288]]. That will bring it to 100%

also, if you are interested and willing - could you add the *descriptions* to the items? These help people know the semantic meaning of the term even if they’ve not heard it before (and help with disambiguation).

Last one is translated too. For descriptions, I will get a help today.

(copied here from the user page)

Hi, I was wondering if someone could point me to the instructions for how to add a Wikipedia article to a Wikidata item. For example, there are two articles associated with this article here and here but I am unable to edit the Wikidata page. Regards, Neotarf (talk) 16:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

BTW, I tried to leave this message on the user talk page and it seems to be broken. —N

Hi @Neotarf - that was a little tricky because there actually was a pre-existing wikidata item for that subject, which is what those two language version were pointing to. So what I did was to merge the two wikidata items together. Sorry for the confusion!

It was removed[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q813323&diff=328512358&oldid=328511375], because it is quite obvious mismatch (I created the right item for right exemplar of Beatus In Appocalipsis there Q23935016). I acctualy fought, that this was right procedure leading to fix things (previously I was not so sure and wrote to Millars - https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Millars&diff=326766337&oldid=326195788). Maybe I was wrong and You can solve it much more properly. Regards --~~~~

Ah I see! I do believe you are correct. All I saw was that you had removed an item from the project, but I didn't notice that you'd added the links to another item. I've now updated the various other parts of the project documentation to make it match up again, which I've written about on User talk:Millars. Thanks.

hi, thanks for the wrangling

on this item, i noticed that europeana has a NC/ND indicated

http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/2063607/EST_280_005.html

i uploaded it as fair use here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coastal_landscape_%28Fishermen_going_home%29.png

but it is also on commons here

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rannamaastik_%28Kalurite_kojuminek%29_-_Eugen_Gustav_D%C3%BCcker.jpg

does the NC really apply? please advise so we know which upload to delete.~~~~

Hi @Sudowoodoo, Europeana shows the license statement that the providing GLAM gives it. In some cases this is not consistent with the rules that Wikimedians would use (e.g. claiming copyright in scans is common in some country's GLAMs, but that claim is rejected by Wikimedians).

The artist of this particular painting died 100 years ago and therefore Commons policy states that this is a PD file. However, as the uploader of the image to Commons you have to take personal responsibility for that decision, and as an employee of Europeana I'm not really able to give you more direct advice than that :-)

I would also suggest that you try to find some references for the notability of this artwork quickly because you don't want it to get listed for deletion like this one from the 280 challenge did.

yes this will be an interesting learning experience for institutions seeing traffic from our articles. i was trying to defer to the NC claims (even if we know they are marginal) i see we have other wikimedians not so kind. i will then use the commons image and delete the fair use one. i will go back and do a reference sweep, but not much hope of online references for contemporary art. .

Hello once again. Within Europeana 280 there is a small problem with czech artwork St Jude Thaddaeus (Q22976727). In this matter I questioned uploader User:Dominikmatus (https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:Dominikmatus&diff=13637241&oldid=13616364). >> We have (=Wikimedia Commons) image of saint in red-brown clothing (in Karlštejn it has acc. nro. KA 3735) traditionaly described as Jude Thaddaeus, but Europeana http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/2063619/CZR_280_002.html has saint in blue clothing (KA 3736) desribed as Simeon the Zealot (as in FAJT, Jiří et al. Magister Theodoricus: dvorní malíř císaře Karla IV - umělecká výzdoba posvátných prostor hradu Karlštejna. Praha 1997. ISBN 80-7035-142-X). Question remains: Is this product of mistake or new discovery (D. Matus assume mistake)? I am acctualy not sure how to proceed: Maybe You (or Europeana?) could contact czech National Heritage Institue (NPÚ) with question, whether they are absolutely sure with this description. Regards

Just to confirm - I have seen this message, and I have asked my colleagues at Europeana for advice. It's a very detailed/specific problem, well identified! I hope to be able to provide a clear answer...

FYI: Yesterday published User:František Šťastný article on Czech Wikipedia about St. Jude Thaddaeus. He knew about the problem and after his preparation he wrote, that description of painting has been chaged. It seems, that about exhibition Zámky opěvované a objevované (2014), there appeared some kind of proposal to change Simeon > Juda and later (in 2014) it was fully (?) accepted by NPÚ. So, at the end of the day it seems, that description within Europeana is acctualy right (there could be academic discussion, whether saint in blue with sword/club is Simeon or Juda, but he is in #Europeana280). Just to be sure: pink User:Vojtěch Dostál; User:Dominikmatus.

I must admit - I'm very confused! This is a complex art-history question, added to a complex wikimedia question :-)

It seems that you are saying that the problem has been resolved now, or is that not the case?

It definitely seems that way... but! F. Šťastný claims, that the change of description is based on weapon of saint in blue (it is sword [=Simeon], but it resembles club = weapon of Jude Thaddaeus). He references the guide of exhibition (Hrady objevované a opěvované, ISBN 978-80-87890-05-9, page 59), unfortunately there is no such information (http://docplayer.cz/1719351-Petr-pavelec-ed-hrady-a-zamky-objevovane-a-opevovane-pruvodce-vystavou.html). We can believe, that NPÚ claims with all awareness, that saint in blue (KA 3736, painting in Europeana 280) is Jude Thaddaeus, but we lack (published) source for reason, why description was changed (this "sword vs. club" thing). Maybe it isn't problem (we can just believe http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/2063619/CZR_280_002.html), but it is displeasing...

Hello, I must confess to my error in this case (I was - somehow - able to misinterpret quoted part of article - I think, that one used phrase was somehow strange, but still it is my fault). Diligent author of article F. Šťasný also asked NPÚ and Dr. Aleš Mudra (http://monumnet.npu.cz/organizace/pracovnici.php?IdUziv=2594) replied: (Long story in short) User:Dominikmatusawas right all the timend saint in blue with sword is St. Simeon (hand vice versa ttps://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Svat%C3%BD_Juda_Tade%C3%A1%C5%A1&diff=13744777&oldid=13741345). Again, I am sorry for misleding You, and I am afraid, that some comunication between Europeana and NPÚ will be needed.