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Organization

‎Alexander Keiller Museum ID

On hold

Description	Museum accession numbers and UIDs related to people and artefacts at the Alexander Keiller Museum, Avebury, UK
Represents	Alexander Keiller Museum (Q26647600)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Alexander Keiller (Q4719285) Alexander Keiller Museum ID→ AKM_PID_0003
Example 2	Diary of West Kennet Avenue excavations 1934 (Q130611129) Alexander Keiller Museum ID→ 78510467
Example 3	Stuart Piggott (Q4362439) Alexander Keiller Museum ID→ AKM_PID_0004
Source	https://www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/results?Collections=715b119affffe2206a1255f0ef8d7f16
Number of IDs in source	500
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)

Motivation

I am employed by the University of York, and working for a UKRI funded project to digitise part of the Alexander Keiller Museum collection, which is managed by the National Trust, but has an idiosyncratic accession numbering / person ID system which is not consistent with nationwide NT collections.

As part of this project, we will be:

- uploading images of archive materials to Commons, and I would like to be able to attach info to the Commons files using Wikidata.

- creating, and updating existing, information about individuals who took part in excavations at Avebury in the 1930s, some of whom already have Wikidata items.

I am proposing the property 'Alexander Keiller Museum ID' in order to link accession numbers and UIDs related to people represented in the collection to new materials uploaded to Wikicommons and elsewhere on Wikidata.

Thank you so much for any comments, advice, ideas on this! Very happy to explain more of the project. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Medievalfran (talk • contribs) at 11:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Discussion

Tubezlob VIGNERON Jane023 Pigsonthewing Ambrosiani Spinster Wittylama Fuzheado Daniel Mietchen Marsupium Martingggg Anne-LaureM Beat Estermann Manu1400 Mauricio V. Genta Patafisik MartinPoulter Tris T7 BeatrixBelibaste Clifflandis Mrtngrsbch Reciproque Weadock313 (talk) 21:56, 27 November 2019 (UTC) ProtoplasmaKid Crowjane7 Scarey1 (talk) 11:55, 9 February 2021 (UTC) Zblace Suna no onna Antoine2711 S.v.Mering Stefan Karl[reply]
Notified participants of WikiProject Museums. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 10:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Much too brief and there isn't even an item yet for the museum?! I wrote a longer comment on User talk:Medievalfran. Jane023 (talk) 10:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thank you for pinging the Museums project, Lewis Hulbert. I left notes on what I thought were related projects https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Museums#Property_proposal:_Alexander_Keiller_Museum_ID and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Heritage_institutions. Medievalfran
CommentIn answer to comment above, the Alexander Keiller Museum does already have an item Q26647600. Do let me know of any further queries, only too happy to explain more of the collection/ project.Medievalfran (talk) 16:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Following feedback on my Talk page, I have created a Project Page with further information about the motivation behind this property, and other activity I have planned for Wikidata. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_AveburyPapers Medievalfran (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Added further details and links in proposal template above. Medievalfran (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To be clear, this property is different to National Trust Collections ID Property:P4373, because of the idosyncratic way in which the Alexander Keiller Museum collection has been created (drawing together items from the Alexander Keiller Museum at Charles Street in the 1930s, with material on long term loan from English Heritage and Historic England, and UIDs used for individuals which are not standardised to National Trust IDs. To put simply: the Alexander Keiller Museum makes use of National Trust IDs for SOME of its items, but not all of them. The NT collections website linked above has some items, but an additional 9000 objects, and the People IDs used by the Museum are not on this collections website but are in internal cms. Medievalfran (talk) 18:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Glad to see that more information has been added to this proposal. I guess I'm still struggling to understand what these IDs can be used for. With an external ID, the usual thing is that it can be added to a URL stem to make a link which will give more information about the object, in a human- and/or machine-readable form. Normally, that URL stem is included in the property proposal, but as you've explained the relevant database is not online so it can't be linked to. So I'm not sure this is an "external ID" in the sense in which Wikidata uses the term. If these are just accession numbers, then why not use inventory number (P217) for the number (and described at URL (P973) for the web link, when one exists)? What is gained by having a dedicated property? For the people, would archives at (P485) work? MartinPoulter (talk) 13:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I like MartinPoulter's suggestions. Is there a timeline for the database going online? i.e. more generally is it worth making the specific ID now as an investment for when it is live? As Medievalfran says they are limited on the time they have left on the project Lajmmoore (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thank you MartinPoulter for suggestions - that would work really well for now, and the DOIs will be available for the data in autumn 2025, so we can be incremental with it. Thank you all!
@Medievalfran: Thanks for the project and the discussion. Should we set the status "on hold" to come back to it later or "withdrawn" and create a new one if necessary? --NGOgo (talk) 15:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, @NGOgo:, and thanks to all here for very helpful comments! Yes, please, could we go for "on hold"? Although if "withdrawn" is preferable for admin purposes, that would also be fine and I will resurrect if necessary. For now, the alternatives suggested above seem to be best for the project as currently is :) - Medievalfran (talk) 15:56, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Singapore Unique Entity Number

Done: Singapore Unique Entity Number (P13194) (Talk and documentation)

Description	unique identifier issued to businesses in Singapore
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	NCS Pte Ltd (Q6953220) → 198101793G
Example 2	SPH Media (Q111607422) → 202120748H
Example 3	Oh Baby Games (Q131436457) → 202134064M
Source	https://www.bizfile.gov.sg/overview/buy-information
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
URL match pattern	^https?:\/\/(?:www\.)?bizfile\.gov\.sg\/buy-info\/entity-details\?type=bp&uen=(\d{9}[A-Z])$
See also	Companies House company ID (P2622), SIREN number (P1616)
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Singapore (Q14605793)

Motivation

UENs are issued to businesses operating in Singapore (more info) and they serve as a useful Wikidata property to identify organizations in company registers (Q26235166).

While the government website wants you to pay to access the information, there are a good few third-party website that provide more information using the same UENs: example 1, example 2.

--Lewis Hulbert (talk) 06:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

~~{{Ping project|Singapore}}~~. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 06:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, that apparently doesn't exist. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 06:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Important identifier for companies and non-profits. But I'm not sure about the formatter URL (P1630). The example URLs on bizefile.gov.sg show absolutely no information for me. --NGOgo (talk) 08:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same for me, they are all empty pages. But that relates to the motivation, I guess, that you have to pay and log in. Ainali (talk) 14:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be that way for me now too, works fine when I click a link on the website but not from Wikidata - possibly detecting the referrer? I wanted to use that one as the "official" source but it may then be more suitable for a URL match pattern (P8966) than a formatter URL (P1630). You can find the pages on Bizfile easy enough with the search at https://www.bizfile.gov.sg/overview/buy-information, just paste the UEN into the search bar and change the keyword match type filter to "UEN (including previous UEN)" after it pops up. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 15:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done: Singapore Unique Entity Number (P13194) Germartin1 (talk) 06:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

organisation tax status

Under discussion

Description	country specific tax status of organisations like non-profits
Data type	Item
Allowed values	instance of (P31) = tax status (Q131437023)
Example 1	North Sea Foundation (Q2186795) -> algemeen nut beogende instelling (Q1977825)
Example 2	Boys' Brigade in Singapore (Q4952604) -> Institution of Public Character (Q131437002)
Example 3	Naturschutzbund Deutschland (Q516755) -> tax-exempt under the German Fiscal Code (Q131438677)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Type constraint – instance of	organization (Q43229) or type of organisation (Q17197366)

Motivation

Some countries distinguish whether an organisation is non-profit, aka. tax-exempt, not solely based on its legal form. In some cases, the same legal form can be either for-profit or not-for-profit. These countries typically have a tax status that makes this distinction.

The “organisation tax status” is intended to clarify which organisations are subject to specific tax regulations, for example, to determine which organisations can receive tax-deductible donations or whether a German foundation qualifies as a non-profit organisation or serves purely private purposes.

Three examples:

Netherlands: Nonprofits of different legal forms can have the "ANBI-status" algemeen nut beogende instelling (Q1977825) that allows tax exemptions. So i.e. North Sea Foundation (Q2186795) has the legal form (P1454) of stichting (Q19605764) and also has ANBI-status since 01-01-2008, but there are also stichting (Q19605764) that don't have this tax status.
Singapore: Charities can have the status of Institution of Public Character (Q131437002), but only if they have certain qualifications. i.e. they can not benefit only a sectional interest or group.
Germany: A German foundation under civil law (Q56242138) can be used as a family holding or as a non-profit organisation. It depends on the tax-status tax-exempt under the German Fiscal Code (Q131438677), which is given by the local revenue service (Q573607)

Discussion

NGOgo (talk) Bogger (talk) PantherStrix (talk) PKM (talk) Jklamo (talk) Nw520 (talk) Olyammon (talk) 03:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC) Saiphani02 (talk) Jeanne Noiraud (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC) Laurenz Sommerlad (talk)[reply]
Notified participants of WikiProject Nonprofit Organizations,
PAC2 (talk) User:NGOgo (talk) (Focus on Non-profit-Organizations) ArthurPSmith (talk) PKM (talk)
Notified participants of WikiProject Organizations
Question Why does this have to be scoped to non-profits? Wouldn't a general property for "tax status" be just as useful? Ainali (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ainali: Fine with me, if we use something like has use (P366) = nonprofit organization (Q163740) on the statuses to make selection easier. But I can't imagine any uses at the moment, do you have examples of non non-profit statuses in mind? --NGOgo (talk) 20:01, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I know is that different legal forms in Sweden, for example, aktiebolag (Q422007), economic association (Q10480691) and general partnership (Q646164) are taxed slightly differently^[1] and while I don't know exactly which items would fit as values, I am guessing that is the case in some other countries too which would be very interesting to be able to query and compare. Ainali (talk) 21:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Changed it to a more general name. I guess the main use will be non-profits, but in that case it can be used more general. --NGOgo (talk) 22:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ainali: Is this a proposal you can support in the current form? --NGOgo (talk) 10:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's better! I do think we also need to be able to add this to types of organizations (see below). Also, I think we need this property, but we also need to get it as good as we can from the start as changing scopes after the fact is a hassle and unclarities may lead to divergent modeling. Ainali (talk) 08:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support --So9q (talk) 09:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question How would this propety relate to 501(c)(3) organization (Q18325436), 501(c)(4) organization (Q18325483), 501(c)(6) organization (Q18325460) etc. which are currently being used on legal form (P1454) for US non-profits even though they are basically different federal tax statuses, not a legal forms per se? Samoasambia ✎ 12:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not sure; this would need to be discussed with locals (there is no WikiProject I could find). I don’t know the American system too well, but I have the impression that the 501s are almost used like legal forms, at least in everyday language. --NGOgo (talk) 18:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a great question! It led me down on another track though, I think that this property should also be possible to use on types of organizations, not only on individual organizations. That's because what is true for one legal form, is, in some jurisdictions, true for all orgs of that type. And then we have proper statuses that need to go on the individual organization. Like I mentioned above, every economic association (Q10480691) in Sweden will have the same tax status, whereas Q10405696 is not a legal form (and I think the modeling of the item needs to improve), but a ideell förening (Q31883598) with a special status. Ainali (talk) 08:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for all organizations, not restricted to nonprofits. Arpyia (talk) 11:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

enterprise number (Germany)

Under discussion

Description	identifier from the German Company Register
Represents	Company Register (Q1727022)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	ads-tec Energy GmbH (Q131460559)enterprise number (Germany)Stuttgart HRB 762810
Example 2	Opel (Q40966)enterprise number (Germany)Darmstadt HRB 91821
Example 3	Technische Werke Dresden (Q98687436)enterprise number (Germany)Dresden HRB 2422
Source	https://www.unternehmensregister.de/
Planned use	add code when I happen to edit an organisation, I'm not going to make a big effort myself
Number of IDs in source	3.5 million^[2]
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Robot and gadget jobs	Automated checks: subject instance of (P31) organization (Q43229) or subclass subject country (P17) Germany (Q183) value matches regex ^(Aachen\|Amberg\|Ansbach\|Arnsberg\|Aschaffenburg\|Augsburg\|Aurich\|Bad Hersfeld\|Bad Homburg v\.d\.H\.\|Bad Kreuznach\|Bad Oeynhausen\|Bamberg\|Bayreuth\|Berlin $Charlottenburg$\|Bielefeld\|Bochum\|Bonn\|Braunschweig\|Bremen\|Chemnitz\|Coburg\|Coesfeld\|Cottbus\|Darmstadt\|Deggendorf\|Dortmund\|Dresden\|Duisburg\|Düren\|Düsseldorf\|Eschwege\|Essen\|Flensburg\|Frankfurt am Main\|Frankfurt/Oder\|Freiburg\|Friedberg\|Fritzlar\|Fulda\|Fürth\|Gelsenkirchen\|Gießen\|Göttingen\|Gütersloh\|Hagen\|Hamburg\|Hamm\|Hanau\|Hannover\|Hildesheim\|Hof\|Homburg\|Ingolstadt\|Iserlohn\|Jena\|Kaiserslautern\|Kassel\|Kempten $Allgäu$\|Kerpen\|Kiel\|Kleve\|Koblenz\|Köln\|Königstein\|Korbach\|Krefeld\|Landau\|Landshut\|Langenfeld\|Lebach\|Leipzig\|Lemgo\|Limburg\|Lübeck\|Ludwigshafen a\.Rhein $Ludwigshafen$\|Lüneburg\|Mainz\|Mannheim\|Marburg\|Memmingen\|Merzig\|Mönchengladbach\|Montabaur\|München\|Münster\|Neubrandenburg\|Neunkirchen\|Neuruppin\|Neuss\|Nürnberg\|Offenbach am Main\|Oldenburg $Oldenburg$\|Osnabrück\|Ottweiler\|Paderborn\|Passau\|Pinneberg\|Potsdam\|Recklinghausen\|Regensburg\|Rostock\|Saarbrücken\|Saarlouis\|Schleiden\|Schweinfurt\|Schwerin\|Siegburg\|Siegen\|St\. Ingbert $St Ingbert$\|St\. Wendel $St Wendel$\|Stadthagen\|Steinfurt\|Stendal\|Stralsund\|Straubing\|Stuttgart\|Tostedt\|Traunstein\|Ulm\|Völklingen\|Walsrode\|Weiden i\. d\. OPf\.\|Wetzlar\|Wiesbaden\|Wittlich\|Wuppertal\|Würzburg\|Zweibrücken) (HR[AB]\|GsR\|Genossenschaftsregister\|Partnerschaftsregister) [0-9]+$
See also	enterprise number (Belgium) (P3376), Swiss Enterprise Identification Number (P4829), Australian Registered Body Number (P3551), Québec Enterprise Number (P10503), OpenCorporates ID (P1320)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Company Register (Q1727022)
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Wikidata:WikiProject Companies, Wikidata:WikiProject Organizations

Motivation

The government-issued enterprise register seems like a useful thing to have. There are already properties for a number of similar registers (see "see also" above). I am not from Germany and I'm not particularly invested in these ID codes, but I happened to see this property was missing while I was adding a German company.

GsR = corporation register; HRA = commercial register excerpt; HRB = commercial register

These identification codes include the Register Court spelled out in full, and have an ugly category denominator which is partly abbreviations and partly spelled out. I find this extremely inelegant, but I can't help it. —M!dgard (talk) 16:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Notified participants of WikiProject Germany

Comment I guess it was not added yet because of its complex structure. As you mentioned there are different registers (HRA, HRB, GnR, PR, VR, GsR) and the same number is issued for every type and every local register. And there is no working URL formatter. The source of the unternehmensregister.de is a private enterprise nowadays, while the website handelsregister.de is the official one. So I personally would not use it, instead I'm waiting for the new "Wirtschafts-Identifikationsnummer (W-IdNr.)" (business identification number) which the German government introduced last month and will be rolled out within the next years. But it's not implemented in any of the registers yet. This will be a unique ID for every economically active person or institution. Best --NGOgo (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

identifiant REGAFI

Under discussion

Description	Identifiant d'une organisation dans le Registre des agents financiers tenu par l'Autorité de contrôle prudentiel et de résolution en France (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data type	Item
Example 1	Credit Agricole Group (Q590952) -> 1342
Example 2	Banque Chalus (Q17621772) -> 2245
Example 3	Q130379709 -> 10063
Example 4	Q105019159 -> 16861

Motivation

Le numéro REGAFI ( https://www.regafi.fr/ ) permet d'identifier une entreprise du secteur financier en France et de donner des informations officielles sur son activité et son statut légal vis-à-vis des autorités de contrôle françaises. Arpyia (talk) 11:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Notified participants of WikiProject France

[1] ttps://bolagsverket.se/foretag/jamforforetagsformer.1151.html

[2] ttps://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterprises/Enterprises/Business-Register/_node.html

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Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization

See also

Contents

Politics/public election

Organization

‎Alexander Keiller Museum ID

Motivation

Discussion

‎Singapore Unique Entity Number

Motivation

Discussion

organisation tax status

Motivation

Discussion

enterprise number (Germany)

Motivation

Discussion

identifiant REGAFI

Motivation

Discussion