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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Spinster/Archive 1 on 2016-06-16.

Hjart (talkcontribs)

Please note that the bust is a specific subclass of sculpture. Please also that your use of genre (P136) got rather messy. I seriously think you should reconsider it.

Spinster (talkcontribs)

Hi @Hjart, as an art historian who has been working with art databases since the early 2000s I'm sorry to say I disagree with you.

I want to refer to the answer I gave at Topic:Vm8jaav1aixh3pta. At Wikidata we aim to keep P31 for artworks high level, and describe genres, movements etc. under their respective properties. This is also how the Sum of All Paintings project has been doing it for many years now, and for various reasons (ease of querying, consistency among types of art) we are using that same system for sculptures too. Additionally, please check bust (Q17489160) which is indicated as an instance of (P31) genre of sculpture (Q18783400).

As you seem to be of a different opinion: can you tell me which sources and guidelines you would be using for genre, and what kind of system you would advice with which arguments?

If we don't manage to come to an agreement, I suggest we continue this discussion at the talk pages of Wikidata:WikiProject Sculpture, WikiProject Public Art and also engage other editors active in cultural heritage.

Spinster (talkcontribs)
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question about "Notable works (P800)"

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Atlasmuseum (talkcontribs)

Hello Spinster and thank you very much for your message. Very glad to meet you! I admire a lot the WikiProject Public Art and is willing to contribute. I understand perfectly your point, the Atlasmusem homepage can not be a enough precise reference URL for notable work (P800). In fact, there is a page dedicated to each artwork in Atlasmuseum (artworks /one percent for art pieces in France, data provided by the French Ministry of Culture in the context of Atlasmuseum, a research project conducted during and since my PhD in Aesthetics at Rennes 2 University). If the specific URL, for exemple like on the Anti-Robot page for each artwork can be indicated for notable work (P800), could it be in line with the Wikidata guideline? Kind regards, Atlasmuseum 💬

Spinster (talkcontribs)

Hello @Atlasmuseum, thanks for your message! Hm, I'm not entirely sure. Personally I'm not a big fan of the notable work (P800) property because it's so extremely subjective. When is a work 'notable', and why, and according to whom? If you add the property for all works and creators on Atlasmuseum, why shouldn't I add it for all works and creators on all the other websites I'm using to add public art to Wikidata (for instance vanderkrogt.net and bkor.nl which I use all the time, but I'm not associated with these sites)? Do you see my point?

That said, any other 'hard' data you add about the artworks is absolutely very welcome (items for the artworks themselves, creators, dates, coordinates etc). It's indeed very much preferred that you use the artworks' own web pages as references there. It's a pity that there is no freedom of panorama in France... it would be so nice to be able to add images to modern and contemporary works.

Please keep up the good work and feel free to ask anything.

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Commons - Media Sarch, new feedback round

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

Greetings,

I'm following up on a message from earlier in the year about the prototype development for Special:MediaSearch. Based on community feedback, the Structured Data team has developed some new features for Special:MediaSearch and are seeking another round of comments and discussions about the tool. Commons:Structured_data/Media_search is updated with details about the new features plus some other development information, and feedback is welcome on Commons talk:Structured_data/Media_search. Media Search works in any language, so the team would especially appreciate input around support for languages other than English. I look forward to reading about what you think. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 01:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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New OpenRefine reconciliation service

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Summary by Spinster

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Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Hi!

Thank you for wearing the {{User loves OpenRefine}} userbox on your user page!

Because the existing Wikidata reconciliation service has had severe performance issues recently, I have created a new one which should be faster and more robust. You can add it to OpenRefine in the reconciliation dialog with the following URL: https://wikidata.reconci.link/en/api (or by replacing en by any other language code).

If you have any issues with this new service, let me know.

Happy reconciling!

2le2im-bdc (talkcontribs)

Hello,

I find the projet "Archieven IISG" on Mix'n'Match and I would be glad to help to complet it.

But before, I have some questions :

  • what the scope?
  • It's to match authorites? Because the item on IISG database are archive unities not personality's authorities. This give me some douts.
  • After the complet maching what's happend? A new property "IISG ID" will be created? Perhaps, it will be more right to create a archives at (P485) declaration?

Thanks in advance for answers!

Best Regards

Spinster (talkcontribs)

Hello @2le2im-bdc, thanks for getting in touch about this catalog in Mix'n'Match.

This catalog is indeed not intended to match authorities, but it has been used in the past to add archives at (P485). Maybe some of the unmatched people and organizations in the catalog are notable enough to have a Wikidata item. But I personally don't think this set will (or should) ever be complete. It's been a while since I looked at this!

I'm pinging @Hannolans because he has also worked with the IISG in the past and he may also have an opinion.

Cheers!

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Pieter Rinze Bloemsma (Q25335557)

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Ceescamel (talkcontribs)

Ik heb deze architect aangemaakt en vond zijn geb. datum in een van de bestanden geannexeerde gebieden van Amsterdam en zijn keuring militaire dienst. Ik heb geen idee hoe ik dat moet schalen boven het jaar van de architectendienst. Zijn overlijdensdatum komt van zijn grafsteen,~~~~

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Gereon K. (talkcontribs)

Hello. I don't mind that User:Liuxinyu970226 added my phone number and e-mail address to my Wikidata entry, there was no need to remove them. :)

Liuxinyu970226 (talkcontribs)
Gereon K. (talkcontribs)

They are, and on many other places in the Wikiworld as well.

Spinster (talkcontribs)

Hello @Gereon K. - then perhaps (while we don't have a clearer policy on Wikidata yet) it's probably good if you mention that on your item's talk page? I'm not a GDPR expert, but I think I understood that explicit permission from individuals is needed to collect personal information like this. We also may want to think of a system to collect such explicit permissions unambiguously and with verified connection to the individuals' identities (OTRS?) - also pinging @ChristianKl who has been quite active on policies related to living people.

Gereon K. (talkcontribs)

I edited the item about me after the the information was added. I regard this as consent. And it would be easy to change the statements as such in such a way that they give a warning when applied to a human, but they don't.

ChristianKl (talkcontribs)
Gereon K. (talkcontribs)

Someone who is concerned about personal information is User:Notafish. She raised awareness about this for example here and here.

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Deleting statements with contact data

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Discostu (talkcontribs)

I have noticed that you deleted many telephone numbers and email addresses today. What is the reasoning behind it? Is there any rule stating that these should not be added to the database?

Spinster (talkcontribs)

Yes, I have done that because I believe that structurally adding these to Wikidata is risky and potentially a privacy violation, which can get the community deeply in trouble with the European GDPR legislation. I have not deleted telephone numbers and email addresses of politicians, as these are public figures who actually need to be reachable as part of their public duty.

Spinster (talkcontribs)

I am aware that many of these email addresses and telephone numbers have been sourced from university websites and personal websites, but I believe that we should be very cautious with that. If someone's email address and phone number is listed on such websites, it does definitely not mean that they want that data to be replicated or aggregated elsewhere, especially not in a broadly scoped project like Wikidata whose data will be harvested for many other purposes.

Discostu (talkcontribs)

I think that this should be discussed with the community instead of deciding the mass deletion of data on your own. If the discussion leads to the same conclusion as you do, there then could be constraints be added to these properties.

Spinster (talkcontribs)
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Hjart (talkcontribs)
Spinster (talkcontribs)
Reply to "busts->sculpture"
PKM (talkcontribs)

The museum site links in the M-Museum Leuven (Q2362660) items you imported in 2016 all seem to be dead. These items are in https://www.erfgoedplus.be/. See example at The Last Supper (Q21975692). I think we should propose a new property for "Erfgoedplus.be ID" - currently there are links to the database as "stated in", "reference URL", "described at URL". etc. I have no idea how to do the regex for a number like "24062A51.priref.19255" (I am hopeless with regex). What do you think?

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