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Beckfoot, een rif in Engeland ?Edit

Beste Romaine ,
ik zie dat jij de bewering op Wikidata hebt aangemaakt dat Beckfoot, een dorp in Engeland, een rif (reef) zou zijn. Ik dacht eerst nog, toen ik dat tegen kwam, dat de klassering als "reef" een gevolg was van (niet goed gecontroleerde) massa-import van Geonames.org naar de Cebuaanse wikipedia, gevolgd door (nog minder gecontroleerde) massa-import van ceb-wp naar Wikidata.

Die massa-importen vind ik jammer, ik heb inmiddels al veel dingen verbeterd, maar ik kan niet alle fouten handmatig corrigeren.

Maar nu zie ik dat deze niet-verbetering niet een automatische fout was van de massa-importen, maar dat jij dit handmatig hebt aangebracht ?!? Dat snap ik niet..., teleurgesteld, Paulbe (talk) 23:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Hallo Paulbe, Vanuit de Zweedse Wikipedia zijn er veel artikelen ingevoegd op Wikidata. Op basis van de categorie op de Zweedse Wikipedia die dit onderwerp categoriseerde als rif, heb ik destijds rif toegevoegd met een tool. Het Zweedse artikel is zo te zien ondertussen verwijderd, maar dat lijkt destijds dan onjuist gekoppeld te zijn geweest aan het Cebuan-artikel. Dat dit fout is gegaan heb ik nog niet eerder gezien met Zweeds-Cebuano. Wat ik wel vaak zie is dat artikelen samengevoegd worden zonder dat er afdoende gekeken wordt of het over hetzelfde onderwerp gaat. In dit geval zou ik mijn wenkbrouwen hebben gefronst over dat het een beschrijving en verklaring rif heeft... Romaine (talk) 08:06, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

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Flashmob ingeschakeldEdit

Hoi Romaine,

Kun jij of een andere "sjablonenkei" hier iets mee? #tia
Collegiale datagroeten, Klaas `Z4␟` V:  08:51, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi KlaasZ4usV: Dat kan alleen met handwerk lijkt mij. Romaine (talk) 08:53, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Jammer. Ik had gehoopt dat er wel een listige procedure zou kunnen ontwikkeld die de achter de catlink afhankelijk van het getal achter de Q iets zet als b.v. '&#x7c0000nnnnn' bij een vijfcijferig Q-nummer, zodat het altijd 9 cijfers is. Bij 8 cijfers vervang je alleen de Q door een 0. Heb 't inderdaad met 't handje gedaan. Viel wel mee: iets meer dan 20 hadden minder dan 8 cijfers na de Q die ik toch maar heb laten staan. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  20:17, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

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Property for Proquest document IDEdit

I'm not familiar with the protocol of establishing a new property, so let me just write you as someone who edited the Property:P243 which is very related. Could we add a property for ProQuest document numbers (for instance 303586766 or 1424274333)? In my opinion this is particularly useful for linking dissertations. --Bender235 (talk) 23:12, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bender235, I have not enough knowledge about ProQuest to determine if it would be useful, but I suspect it is. You can file a request on the page Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control. On this page there is an inputbox in what you can add "ProQuest", then clicking "Create request page". Next you should enter info about the request. Only fill in what you know. You can look for how to fill it at other requests how it is done there: Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 05:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for the advice. --Bender235 (talk) 00:09, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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Schilderijen en locatieEdit

Hoi Romaine, dit is niet de bedoeling. Al deze schilderijen zijn al voorzien van location (P276) -> Rijksmuseum (Q190804). Kan je kijken of het op andere items fout is gegaan en daar ook terugdraaien? Multichill (talk) 14:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Multichill, Zo te zien is dat maar een enkele keer gebeurd. Met een query instance of (P31): schilderij + located in the administrative territorial entity (P131): Amsterdam zie ik geen enkele meer.
Iets heel anders, zou je hier eens kunnen meekijken: nl:Categorie:Wikipedia:Coördinaten niet op Wikidata. Alle resterende artikelen is iets mee. De drie bruggen in deze categorie gaat om meerdere objecten in één artikel en zouden eigenlijk opgesplitst moeten worden. De andere artikelen hebben ook problemen. Heb jij enig idee hoe deze opgelost kunnen worden? Dank! Groetjes - Romaine (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Bedankt voor het checken!
Ik zou voor die individuele bruggen items aanmaken en de boel aan elkaar hangen. Met wapens zag ik laatst iets soortgelijks. Daar heb je voor sommige steden door de tijd heen ook meerdere wapens gehad. Voor de meerdere wapens hebben we dan 1 artikel met 1 item op Wikidata, maar die is dan wel weer gekoppeld aan de individuele wapens die door de tijd hebben bestaan. Zelfde oplossing kan je hier met de bruggen doen. Multichill (talk) 15:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Multichill, Ik hoopte eigenlijk dat je wilde meekijken met alle andere artikelen in die categorie, heb je daar ideeën voor? Romaine (talk) 20:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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nl.wikivoyageEdit

Hi! Did you see my message on nl.wikivoyage? --Rschen7754 04:33, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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TranslationEdit

Hello.

Can you create the article en:List of museums in Baku in Dutch Wikipedia?

Yours sincerely, Noraton (talk) 07:33, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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molensEdit

Me is working at this time an small map. Saw today you do also our old project starting - I'm happy :D . Regards, love, Conny (talk) 18:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC).

Hi Conny, The project I am working on is adding the country of a subject, like to mills, castles, parks, and more. By having the country added to every item about a certain subject, it becomes possible to ask for all the mills in a certain country (as all have the country property). Greetings - Romaine (talk) 01:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

CNRs Talent pageEdit

Dear Romaine (sorry, I do not know dutch), the Property P552 is NOT an identifier. It sends to a small bio or one-page presentation of the work of somebody (not necessarily working at the CNRS) who has received a prize or a medal, mostly one given by the CNRS. Thank you very much ! --Cgolds (talk) 16:23, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Cgolds, The data type of the property is external identifier. Also the functionality that it provides is how an identifier works. That the talents page is a page with a small bio, it makes it a page people can refer to, what makes it serve as external identifier what people can link to. On Wikidata we have thousands of properties that do exactly the same as this property and also are referred to as external identifiers. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 05:22, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, unfortunately, as explained, it is not an identifier (of any type) for people belonging to the CNRS (there is another one for this purpose). Identifier or not, to describe it as a CNRS identifier is quite misleading. As for what is an identifier (there is a definition on wikipedia !:)) and WD , yes, you are right, it is not an isolated example, unfortunately. For exactly the same problem and another property, the recent discussion on the bistro : "problème avec Property:P5301". All the best, --Cgolds (talk) 05:39, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Cgolds, I am sorry, but if something has been explained, in it there is a clear reasoning, which I do not see here. "it is not an identifier (of any type) for people belonging to the CNRS" -> it does not have to be to have it serve as an identifier of any sort whatsoever. There are many organisations who have created pages about subjects that do not belong to them. "quite misleading" -> you do not describe why it is misleading... unless you try to repeat the claim it is not an identifier. That there is a page about identifiers on Wikipedia I know, but is does not support the claim that "it is not an identifier". Also the property proposal page indicates it as an identifier. And what does it do? The string inserted identifies a certain subject (ID). It even uniquely identifies that certain subject (UID). To conclude: you say it is not an identifier, but I see no reasoning why not. Also not on "problème avec Property:P5301". The whole discussion should start with why it is not an identifier, but this is missing.
As you refer to the French origin of the page, maybe it is a linguistic thing. A lot of subjects can be used in a narrow sense or a wide sense. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 06:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, you are right. I would never call identifier a link to some non-uniformized page, and I well believe that other people disagree with that. But it is sometimes difficult on WD to decide if something is an error, or not. The fact is we were having a discussion on Wp-fr about automatic transfers of identifiers and this launched a discussion about several items (including this one) that seem problematic as identifiers. Identifier or not, it was described originally in the same terms, for persons, as P4550 (the identifier of a CNRS lab or institution, which is internal to CNRS and a systematic identifying page). This is what I called misleading and this has been corrected now. I thought you were perhaps not aware of these discussions. But if you are and disagree, no problem for me. All the best, --Cgolds (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Farmers?Edit

Hi,

I'm sorting out the items on types of farmers, and I've noticed tenant farmer (Q868069) and tenant farmer (Q54639972), which you split up a year ago. These look like the same thing to me, and there aren't many descriptions to show what the intended difference is. Do you remember what the distinction was?

It might be that Q868069 describes a particular type of historic tenant farmer and Q54639972 is more general (we have a lot of items that describe a particular group in one place and time), but I'm not sure, and wanted to check before I did any merging. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:05, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Andrew Gray, Originally I did split tenant farmer (Q54639972) from Tenant farmer (Q4342266) (disambiguation page). I have nothing done with tenant farmer (Q868069).
At first sight it seems that the two you mention are about the same topic, but by looking in the articles on de-wiki and sv-wiki with Google Translate, I am less sure. I would say I have insufficient information to determine if these are the same, but the labels do suggest such. I leave the decision up to you. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 05:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks - I must have misread the histories, sorry!
Looking at tenant farmer (Q868069) again, I think it has several specific kinds clustered together - de:Häusler is German-specific, so different from da:Husmand/no:Husmann, which is different from et:Torpar/fi:Torppari - all focused on regional concepts. So maybe those need split out as well. I'll keep looking into it. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:48, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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PIŽMO: Q63067532Edit

Hello Romaine, I'm not sure about this your edit. In this case of the concrete system of temporary bridge, P31 is more suitable than P279, I think. It's not an abstract type (subclass). Regards — Draceane talkcontrib. 12:32, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Draceane, Thank you for your reaction! instance of (P31) is intended for specific identifiable examples of a certain subject, while subclass of (P279) is for non-specific items. So P31 would be used with temporary bridge (Q1961671) when the bridge was specifically located at a certain site at a certain time, while P279 would be used for a type of temporary bridge (Q1961671). In the Wikipedia article I read it is a certain system of building bridges, so therefore P279 seems more appropriate. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 15:19, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
OK, thank you for the explication. — Draceane talkcontrib. 20:45, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

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Too many your wrong edits to be reverted manuallyEdit

Hi! would you revert all your recent edits on items having P1343 Q18400705, you are adding P17, all of your edits are unsourced. Regards - Kareyac (talk) 17:59, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kareyac, I just reverted my edits on these items. For your information: For each of the items I have looked up the articles on hywiki. Some of them have a category on them saying they are in a basin. I looked up where this basin is located, and added accordingly the country. Most others I skipped. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 03:05, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for quick responce! All theese basins are located more than one country, it makes definition of subject‘s country problematic. I checked during previous years nearly all of natural geographical objects from Dictionary of Place Names in Armenia and Adjacent Areas (Q18400705) and added country and administrative unite if sure. For unsure rivers we have Category:Rivers of Armenian Highlands (Q9968918) category. - Kareyac (talk) 04:12, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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Q1938317Edit

@Romaine: omdat er meerdere Hoornstraten zijn waar nu op commons een category voor bestaat, zou ik een dp willen aanmaken op de nl. Alleen, heeft een gebruiker indertijd de Hoornstraat omgeleid naar Hoornstraat. Mijn bedoeling was de inhoud te knippen en in een nieuwe aan te maken Hoornstraat (Brugge te plaatsen, maar dat lukt nu niet meer. Wil je me behulpzaam zijn. Thnks. Lotje (talk) 08:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lotje, Als het goed is kan die pagina op Wikipedia gewoon hernoemd worden naar "Hoornstraat (Brugge)", als jij dat niet kan, kan ik dat ook niet, want dan kunnen alleen moderatoren dat en moet daar op w:nl:Wikipedia:Verzoekpagina voor moderatoren/Artikel verplaatsen om verzocht worden. Groetjes - Romaine (talk) 04:54, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  Done. Bedankt Romaine. Ik maakte van de gelegenheid gebruik om artikel nl.wikipedia:Andries Van den Abeele te hernoemen, maar dat viel duidelijk niet in aarde. Vandaar het resultaat waar mijn persoonlijke stalker natuurlijk als de kippen bij was... Ik vraag me af waarom de voorkeur wordt gegeven aan verwarring zaaien. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

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Belgian municipalities?Edit

Hi Romaine, I'm currently busy to create/complete Wikidata pages about Belgian municipalities and I've some questions about the manner we should describe municipalities/former municipalities (known now as "section of ...") which are also a town, like Arlon, Antwerpen, Dinant, etc. I have the impression that there are inconsistencies in the way they are treated (some possess two different pages for the town/municipality, while some of them are grouped in the same entity page). I know you were/are(?) involved in Wiki Loves Heritage in Belgium and I've seen your name in the edit history of some Belgian municipalities, therefore, I was wondering if you know more about this topic/where I could find more information (like rules or ways to standardize data)/who I should contact? Thanks a lot! --Anchardo (talk) 18:50, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Anchardo, So far I know are all municipalities complete of Belgium, including former ones ("deelgemeente").
Earlier this year I have checked all munipalities and towns with the same name, as well as I standardised the items, and at that time everyone of them were in order. The difference between the two items on Wikidata with the same name, for example Arlon (Q675960) (=municipality) and Arlon (Q12359550) (=village/city), is that the municipality refers to the (current) legal area, while the village/city does not. Usually the municipality includes also small villages while the item about the village/city itself does not. Except for the Brussels capital region, for the whole of Belgium almost every municipality on Wikidata also has a town, but there are sometimes exceptions (like when there is no town with that name in the municipality. But to answer your question, yes I know a lot about this subject, feel free to ask me anything about it. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 05:11, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer Romaine!
Ok, I note the distinction between a municipality and a village/city, although I think the descriptions are sometimes confusing: when we speak about the municipality we should have 'commune'/'municipality'/'gemeente' in the description rather than 'city','ville' (cf. Antwerp (Q12892)).
I still have one question ;) In the context of the research project I'm involved in, I work with archival descriptions and try to link named entities to Wikidata items, and, in this context, it's really crucial to be able to distinguish the former municipality of Arlon ('section of') from the current Arlon municipality which encompasses other sections.
In some cases, as for Charleroi, there are already two distinct items: the former municipality of Charleroi (Q18290864), the current municipality: Charleroi (Q81046), but I don't think there is a third item for the city itself.
Last week, using lists and INS codes made available online by Statbel, I created new items for former municipalities when I couldn't find items with instance of (P31) = municipality section (Q2785216) (mostly for new municipalities which took the name of a former one).
One item I was not sure about was Couvin: there is the municipality (Couvin (Q326771)), the town (Couvin (Q21768574)), and I created a new item (Couvin (Q66312015)) for the former municipality, current section of Couvin (Q326771). As I ask in the discussion page, it's not clear for me if it requires a separate page from the town Couvin (Q21768574) or if we should fusion them. In this case, we should add instance of (P31) = municipality section (Q2785216), which is very decisive if we run a SPARQL query asking the list of all the municipalities of Belgium, as well as their sections. I hope you can help and we can clarify it, so I can continue to add INS codes to Wikidata items :) --Anchardo (talk) 09:16, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Romaine, I was wondering if you had the opportunity to think about my request? Thx in advance :) --Anchardo (talk) 08:41, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Anchardo, Sorry for the delay, I had a very long vacation and a photo contest I organised.
  • The difficulty is that there are municipalities that call themselves "city" (likely as they are proud of this title), but they do not refer to the place, but to the municipality. In many occasions I changed it from city to municipality but not everywhere. So yes, if we want to be precise, it should be municipality rather than city.
  • It is common that the instance of (P31) = municipality section (Q2785216) is added to the town with the same name or the other way round. Having for example both Havelange (Q21767720) and Havelange (Q66312001) does not seem a good idea to me and I think they should be merged. There is no distinction between the two as it is about the same subject. Also in the past those items have been merged.
Greetings - Romaine (talk) 17:27, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Double: Spry, Henry Harpur and Henry SpryEdit

Hi Romaine, would you so kind as to take a look at both of them: Henry Spry (Q18546386) and Spry, Henry Harpur (DNB00) (Q19053294) to see what can be done? Thnks. Lotje (talk) 11:47, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lotje, One is about a biographic article and one about person, not much to do. Romaine (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Lotje (talk) 04:33, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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