Wikidata:Property proposal/Performing organization
performing organization
editOriginally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization
| Description | organization that received funding to create this entity |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | instance of publication (Q732577) or a subclass |
| Allowed values | instance of organization (Q43229) or a subclass |
| Example 1 | Physiological health assessment and hazard monitoring patch for firefighters (Q124073118)→University of Cincinnati (Q153265) |
| Example 2 | Cannabis flower technician experiences fatal asthma exacerbation - Massachusetts (Q124072406)→Massachusetts Department of Public Health (Q6784252) |
| Example 3 | Review of technical information on scaffolds (Q29007989)→National Institute of Standards and Technology (Q176691) |
| Planned use | adding statements to NIOSH publications; can be used more broadly |
| Number of IDs in source | ~32k |
Motivation
editI'm importing a "performing organization" field from NIOSHTIC-2, NIOSH's publication database. This represents the organization that received funding to create a publication. It could also be used for other funders, and other types of funded products. The existing properties research site (P6153), affiliation (P1416), and partnership with (P2652) are the closest but none are quite right, so I believe a new property is justified. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 00:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
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Comment I’m not sure I fully understand what the relationship really is ; would you mind explaining it further with one example? This sounds to me that sponsor (P859) could work here ? Jean-Fred (talk) 10:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- sponsor (P859) is the organization that gave the funding to produce the entity, while this is the organization that received the funding to produce the entity. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Wouldn’t what you describe rather be funder (P8324)? The relationship you describe sounds like "fiscal sponsorship" to me, so hence why not under P859 Jean-Fred (talk) 14:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Jean-Frédéric: This is the exact opposite of what you describe. This property represents the fundee (recipient of funding), not the funder. Each publication has both a funder/sponsor, which is National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346) for all three organizations shown above, and a fundee/performing organization, which is shown above. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 03:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like we are talking past each other here. You said « sponsor (P859) is the organization that gave the funding to produce the entity » − to me that sounds like funder (P8324) (“entity that gives money to a person, organization, or project for a specific purpose”). I don’t see why you would not want to use P8324 to model whomever gave the money for the publication. Then if sponsor (P859) is freed-up, one could use it for the performing organization use-case (the description and aliases of P859 make it quite clear it’s not as narrow as « giving money »). Jean-Fred (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- The performing organization is not a "sponsor", at least as the word is used in English. Yes, funder (P8324) is a subset of sponsor (P859), but neither of these are appropriate for this use case at all. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 03:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like we are talking past each other here. You said « sponsor (P859) is the organization that gave the funding to produce the entity » − to me that sounds like funder (P8324) (“entity that gives money to a person, organization, or project for a specific purpose”). I don’t see why you would not want to use P8324 to model whomever gave the money for the publication. Then if sponsor (P859) is freed-up, one could use it for the performing organization use-case (the description and aliases of P859 make it quite clear it’s not as narrow as « giving money »). Jean-Fred (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Jean-Frédéric: This is the exact opposite of what you describe. This property represents the fundee (recipient of funding), not the funder. Each publication has both a funder/sponsor, which is National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346) for all three organizations shown above, and a fundee/performing organization, which is shown above. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 03:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Wouldn’t what you describe rather be funder (P8324)? The relationship you describe sounds like "fiscal sponsorship" to me, so hence why not under P859 Jean-Fred (talk) 14:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- sponsor (P859) is the organization that gave the funding to produce the entity, while this is the organization that received the funding to produce the entity. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Support This seems a distinct enough relationship to what we already have in Wikidata properties, I searched around and couldn't find anything that seemed close. ArthurPSmith (talk) 11:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)- @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH), ArthurPSmith, Jean-Frédéric:
Done as performing organization (P12526). Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 07:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
