Wikidata:Property proposal/located in the Islamic territorial entity

located in the Islamic territorial entity

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done

Description	the item is located on the territory of the following Islamic entity.
Represents	religious administrative entity (Q51041800)
Data type	Item
Domain	mosque (Q32815), zawiya (Q2001465), madrasa (Q132834)
Example 1	Djamaa El Djazaïr (Q23012984) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 2	Djamaa El Kebir of Algiers (Q2386475) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 3	Djamaa al-Djedid (Q12192958) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 4	Sidi Ramdan Mosque (Q25453836) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 5	Ketchaoua Mosque (Q2471799) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 6	Zawiyet Sidi Boumerdassi (Q42332257) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 7	Zawiyet Sidi Ali Debbaghi (Q54863342) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 8	Zawiyet Sidi Saadi (Q54863339) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 9	Al-Fath Mosque (Q110236574) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 10	Uthman ibn Affan Mosque (Q110288564) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 11	Abderrahmane Ibn Khaldun Mosque (Q110245483) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 12	Jabir ibn Hayyan Mosque (Q110245385) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
See also	located in the religious territorial entity (P5607), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), located in the statistical territorial entity (P8138)

Motivation

As for administrative units, it is useful to have a property to indicate the Islamic unity in which is located a mosque (Q32815), a zawiya (Q2001465), a madrasa (Q132834), etc. --Soufiyouns (talk) 09:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Question Why not extend located in the religious territorial entity (P5607) instead? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 16:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
•  Comment Good point from Tinker Bell. An item like this would generally not have multiple different religions applying, so it should be clear that "ecclesiastical" for a Muslim facility would be the appropriate Islamic territory. And if something did have multiple values, the value should make clear what sort of religious hierarchy was involved anyway. So I can't see any problem with asserting that located in the religious territorial entity (P5607) applies equally well to the Islamic territorial assignments. Some additional aliases would probably be needed. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

  Agree, if there is a concern that ecclesiastical refers to churches, not mosques, then that term should be relabelled "religious". I don't think we want properties for named religions. Vicarage (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment @Tinker Bell, ArthurPSmith, Vicarage: Thank you for your very informative comments. I think it would be better to rename and relabel the located in the religious territorial entity (P5607) property so that it can encompass all religions. The example of the school district (P5353) property is here to show the usefulness of generic names that can be used in all countries and by all religions. Indeed, the term clergy (Q177826) is not specific to Christianity (Q5043), and we find in Islamic culture (Q1340372) quite comparable territorial and hierarchical terms such as sheikhdom (Q2706826), Tariqa (Q816321), hawza (Q1385497) to which structures such as a mosque (Q32815), a zawiya (Q2001465), a madrasa (Q132834), etc., are affiliated. Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

  I agree that reusing located in the religious territorial entity (P5607) would be better. Maybe, we can rename that to "located in the religious territorial entity"? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  @ChristianKl: I think it's the best option. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 03:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Yiyi, Jura1, Mahir256, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, ArthurPSmith: @Pigsonthewing, Sannita, Alexmar983: for your attention and opinion, as you were involved in original property proposal discussions. @ChristianKl: proposed to rename located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) to "located in the religious territorial entity". Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 13:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  For me +1 to rename that. Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 14:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Also for me the rename is the best choice. --Yiyi .... (talk!) 09:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  +1 ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  Done, in English at least. Vicarage (talk) 13:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 16:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)