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lexem creationEdit

Sorry, I realized when receiving the notification of your deletion of L656171 that I created a lexem instead of an element. Thank you for the control. :)Lupin~frwiki (talk) 21:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Disruption on project chatEdit

How do you plan to handle Special:Diff/1557032344? Bovlb (talk) 21:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bovlb: I have handled it through restoring my notice and adjusting the current block to include (temporarily) the Wikidata namespace. Desperate times and what they call for... Mahir256 (talk) 22:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough. My thoughts ranged from a one page block to a full block. I'm finding it really hard to help this user out of their hole. Bovlb (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
@Bovlb, Mahir256: In case you haven't noticed the change Special:Diff/1569482484. You are welcome to chat about my ban here in the back room or you can comment on the topic on the administrator page in the topic “Discussion moved to usernamespace”. --Gymnicus (talk) 01:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
@Gymnicus: I am sad that you feel the need to do this. I don't think this is advancing your case in the right direction. Ostentatious displays of disruption are not going to convince anyone that the project does not require protection from you. 😔 Bovlb (talk) 01:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
@Bovlb: Yes, I see these – shall we say – three edits (Special:Diff/1569482484, Special:Diff/1569482596, Special:Diff/1569483605) as important. It's not about disruptions, it's about the incomprehensible behavior of Mahir256, which unfortunately is also covered by you. He was not involved in the discussion at all, we know the reasons for that. But he takes the right to move the discussion to my username space without any reason and without any visible reason. Or did I write in the discussion that I disagree with your suggestion? At least I can't read anything about it in the discussion. So it is also the case that Mahir256 did not give me the opportunity to comment on your suggestion and to implement it myself. It is a pity that you tolerate and support this disruptive behavior of Mahir256 towards me. --Gymnicus (talk) 09:15, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Lexeme level for "described"Edit


About estyn (L626559) that you created during my last Twitch session (by the way, thanks for stopping by ;) ), I noticed that you used described at URL (P973) at the sense level but shouldn't it be at the lexeme level with a qualifier pointing to the sense(s) ? Plus, there is already an item for this dictionary: A Pocket Dictionary: Welsh-English (Q19024387) so we can replace described at URL (P973) by described by source (P1343) (but I'd like to know what you think about the level question before doing the replacement).

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 08:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: No problem, I'm happy that I was able to stop by! I used it at the sense level to admit the possibility that there are other senses for that word which aren't described in that pocket dictionary (as it were, there was at least one such other sense in Pughe's dictionary). Somehow I forgot to look up whether the pocket dictionary had an item already; thanks for bringing the item to my attention! I have adjusted the reference on "estyn" accordingly. Mahir256 (talk) 20:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


Hello brother. I am from Bangladesh. I am a media-wiki supporter. I am editing wikidata by mobile phone. Some days ago when i was going to edit then i faced a problem in editing function. I guess that it was an IP problem. It is impossible to use a VPN everytime. So i need IP block exemption rights for indefinite time. I requested this on Martin Urbanec but he didn't reply.↠Tanbirzx () 19:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@Tanbirzx: আপনার অনুরোধটা এই পাতায় কপি করেছি। Mahir256 (talk) 19:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


Hello Mahir,
Did you create this edit by hand or by bot ? I wonder about the scalability and completeness of this property for this language. How many of Bengali Wikidata lexemes have LL recordings ? Yug (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Yug: I'm not familiar with Mahir's method or what "LL" signifies, but to answer your second question, there are currently 4,640 Bengali lexemes with at least one audio recording (most of which seem to be labelled "LL"), i.e. many more than in English and Swedish together. Counting all forms of each lexeme, there are 34,256 Bengali recordings in total (my apologies if I'm interfering with a private conversation). --SM5POR (talk) 16:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
@Yug: The edit you have linked to was done manually. The edits after that edit were done with QuickStatements (Workaround (Q18614566)). Mahir256 (talk) 16:35, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
@SM5POR, Mahir256: Thank you for joining in. According to LinguaLibre:Stats/Languages, Bengali (LL:Q307, :wikidata:Q9610) has 58,982 recordings. Given the width of it adding those to Wikidata lexeme should be a bot task.
I believe meta:User:Lingua Libre Bot (wdc) was designed to do so. I will inquire this issue on our Discord server (bot channel). Yug (talk) 11:44, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Example of Lexeme:L302195
  • 2020/06/09: lexeme creation
  • 2020/07/30: records LL audio
  • 2020/08/02: add recording (Mahir)
Lingua Libre Bot first activated in June 10th, 2018. Yug (talk) 11:52, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok! So only words recorded via Lingualibre + Wikidata listing query, or words processed by hand and "Quick Statement" have audios recordings.
Your current approach is good. 👍🏻
LinguaLibre's few bot masters are not active at the moment due to IRL projects. But if your team can lead the creation of a bot on that matter, (preferably in few months after Poslovitch yearly exams), it's ok. If not, we have it on LinguaLibre bot masters todo list for future hackathons (no certainty) . Yug (talk) 08:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with any of the work you are doing (and I have no experience running bots myself), but I'm glad to see these efforts aimed at enhancing the lexeme database (I have seen a number of pronunciation audio recordings in the main Wikidata Q item namespace, where I don't think they belong).
In order not to have to rerun the bot soon because some error was made initially, I suggest manually dressing up a few model lexemes in the language at hand first, to see if there are other properties or qualifiers that could be added at the same time. I'm thinking of things like IPA phonetic expressions; are there perhaps existing databases of those as well? Also, what to do about recordings that don't yet have corresponding lexeme entries in Wikidata; any chance of having those created first (or simultaneously)?
I don't know Bengali myself, but I recall trying to learn the Devanagari script (from Sanskrit, not Bengali) back in the 1970's and having fun transliterating Swedish names and other stuff into it. Now Google Translate has spoiled some of the fun, but it can be used in other ways... সবুজ হ্যামস্টার অবতরণ করেছে! সবুজ হ্যামস্টার অবতরণ করেছে! green (Q3133) Syrian hamster (Q204175) perfective (Q1424306) landing (Q844947) --SM5POR (talk) 10:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Agree, better to walk forward carefully with a dual bot master and lingualibre/lexeme expertise. We don't have API at the moment but I agree that more properties may be to consider.
Since we don't have those we won't move forward with a bot for now.
But this was an interesting discussion and a view into the near future for lexemes and lingualibre. Yug (talk) 11:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
@Yug, @Mahir256: I found out afterwards that the recent round of Community Wishlist proposals included an entry for an automatic IPA audio renderer that scored quite well in the vote. While a synthetic pronunciation recording may not be as good as a human one, you may still want to keep an eye on this in case it gets implemented and you happen to lack recordings where you have IPA pronunciation strings. As someone suggested, having a poor recording may be better than having none at all to encourage volunteers to contribute their own recordings. It would also increase the usefulness of any IPA databases. --SM5POR (talk) 06:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Generic Lua API for WikidataEdit

@Mahir256: I made a comment to (and in support of) your proposal meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Wikidata/Accessing items with particular statements via Lua. You may want to have a look at what I started doing a year and a half ago, in case this could be worked into a generic Lua API for accessing Wikidata information. --SM5POR (talk) 09:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mahir256: Unfortunately, your proposal didn't score as high as I had hoped in this survey. I'm still interested in going along with my project, and it would be great if you could give me some feedback on it with respect to what your actual needs are. I'm not out of ideas myself; I just don't want to work in a complete vacuum. --SM5POR (talk) 06:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


Why don't you just ignore this and move on and wait until it's archived anyway... Wow, you are bad. --A.Savin (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@A.Savin: Come on man, I'm trying to log in to GoFundMe to donate; the site isn't helping me reset my password for some reason! (If this doesn't count as my zakāt (Q124058) for the year, then I don't mind donating even more!) I even indicated no prejudice against Rehman in my edit summary and have in fact posted the link in a number of Wikimedia-related Telegram groups! Mahir256 (talk) 14:46, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm not begging for alms, I just thought Rehman is enough respected here to have some friends who are willing to help when necessary. If you feel obliged to give alms to someone, you can donate for Welthungerhilfe or something. Regards --A.Savin (talk) 14:56, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Sydney to the MaxEdit

Can you set the label in Bengali for Sydney to the Max? 2600:1700:53F1:5560:9015:CE8F:DF8D:C17D 19:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Reminder to participate in the Ratification vote of UCoC Enforcement guidelineEdit

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Deprecation of 'scot*h'Edit

Hi Mahir - you'd need to search through 19th and early 20th century literature to find any explicit published references (the period when the term disappeared from general use except for a very limited number of specific individual exceptions like Scotch whisky (Q382947)); but the term is widely viewed as offensive, and is never used for Ulmus glabra (Q147498) in the region (and is particularly not liked when imposed from outside the region, as in this case, from USA), so you can be sure that deprecation is reasonable. The works of Walter Scott (Q79025) may be a source for information. If I locate further specific details, I'll let you know. Hope this helps! - MPF (talk) 07:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion in important articleEdit

Please refer to the article "Gilbert Gottfried" because I can't edit [rowiki] write: This page is currently semi-protected and can be edited only by established registered users. AlexBTR (talk) 18:10, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Question about property proposalsEdit

Should properties be marked as "ready" a week after the proposal was made, even if there is no votes? Or is it a week after the first   Support vote has been cast?

Something else, yesterdays i created a property i had proposed and i'll like to apologize. It was a thoughtless action and i should just have waited for someone else rather than being so impatient. --Trade (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: If there are no oppose votes or other comments, then one week after the first support from an active user is fine--any oppose votes, comments, or votes from inactive/suspicious users should delay this until the concerns that are caused by them are addressed. And apology accepted :-) Mahir256 (talk) 21:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


বাংলা শব্দ আপলোড শুরু হয়েছে। আপাততঃ শ' দুইয়েক হয়েছে। আস্তে আস্তে করবো। এইবারের তালিকায় আগের থেকে একটু নিয়ে সংশয় হচ্ছে যেমন ঘোড়ারোগতে, ঘৃতপুরতে, ছত্রাকতে, জগতে (জগ থেকে), ঘুরঘুটতে, ঘোষণতে। এর মধ্যে একটা বোধহয় আপলোড হয়ে গেছে। এবার থেকে কয়েকটা বাদ দিয়ে যাচ্ছি। প্রতি হাজার খানেক বা তার বেশি আপলোড হলে এই পাতায় জানাব। --Titodutta (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2022 (UTC)