User talk:Andrew Gray
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Hi Andrew Gray! Usually my bot update the sitelink only of pages moved in the last few hours. However many users asked me to update also old pages moved, so I scan the move log of the last two weeks. But this is happens only one time (for the starting); now the bot runs normally and what you described will not happen anymore. --β16 - (talk) 08:54, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello, ORCID is now available as P:P496. However, I realized that in the example you provided you did not add the dash "0000 0002 1003 5675" instead of "0000-0002-1003-5675" in the Wikipedia templates/ORCID URL, was that an oversight or is there any reason for that ? --Zolo (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
You seem to be operating an unauthorized bot. Please pause, I don't want to block you. See Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard#Flooding of Special:RecentChanges. Multichill (talk) 12:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- My mistake you are doing exactly what I did by hand :) GerardM (talk) 21:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC) THANK YOU
- Thanks :-) I was a little confused by the existing system, but I think it's good to do a wholesale change before any of them get qualifiers added - this would be a lot harder to fix! I'll try and do some other sets of parliamentarians tomorrow; it's a good opportunity to add country-of-citizenship as well. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:42, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
removal of ACAD identifierEdit
- @Gabbe:. A bit of a long story, this one...
- There was a bit of a problem with the ACAD identifiers when we first added them - a good proportion of the first few hundred that went on had a lot of false positives (we'd brought in the ACAD links used as references from the linked Wikipedia pages, but then realised that a lot of these were citations about someone's father, son, brother, etc). After a bit of discussion, we decided to roll back the first additions and start again, checking them with the matching tool. I'd hoped most of these initial removals had now been replaced but apparently not yet! Andrew Gray (talk) 19:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I like your stats at Wikidata:WikiProject_British_Politicians. Would you add P1412 as well? I can fill it in. It might be interesting to have the main ones for other countries as well. --- Jura 20:43, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- 1412 now added and I'll re-run the script (it takes a while to complete but should be up in an hour or so). I haven't yet set up tracker pages like this for other countries but it's on the list, now we have Wikidata:EveryPolitician completed. Andrew Gray (talk) 22:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Jura1: and done! Andrew Gray (talk) 23:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Footballers as Argentine SenatorsEdit
- I just discovered that on October 19th your bot mistakenly marked approximately 180 footballers as Argentine senators position held (P39) member of the Argentine Chamber of Senators (Q18711738). I am now removing those claims but if you have logs from that day it would be good if you can recheck it.
- @Barcex: I think I see where the problem crept in - es:Categoría:Senadores nacionales de Argentina includes es:Categoría:Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, then subcategories about football teams named for him. Not sure why I missed that when checking! I'll remove all of the senator claims in that particular tree. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
The Horror of the AntarcticEdit
The early birds gets the fattest worms, but I luckily do not like worms. This was really late, but I would like to report that your bot in November merged an item about a Horror film with an item about an island in the Antarctic. Based on this image, they probably had nothing to do with each other. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 14:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
American National BiographyEdit
Hi Andrew. Would you have time to look at the question I raised here? I eventually found Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/24#ODNB and noticed that you said in that proposal: "there's apparently the intention to expand it to other resources such as the ANB". (As an aside, this would explain why I found myself logged into the ANB after logging in to the ODNB - I hadn't realised they were all part of the same thing, really). I was going to propose the creation of a property for the ANB articles, but after seeing what you said in that discussion, thought it best to check with you first. Also, the documentation needed to propose and write a property looks a bit scary at first. I'll ping Charles and Magnus and Micru in case they have thoughts as well. Carcharoth (talk) 00:06, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- I would definitely agree that a "simple" ANB property would work fine. It has not yet been crossreffed with OBINs - but once it is, we can easily merge the data if we've been using a distinct ID before then. Andrew Gray (talk) 08:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- OK, though I am not sure that '15/15-01098' is a simple property. I am not familiar enough to know if this format is uniform. I think '15' refers to the volume number but am not sure. Also, I thought I was logged in, but maybe not. Some articles I can access, some I can't. Sometimes the screen says 'logout', sometimes it says 'login'. Hmm. I will try and put together a proposal at some point, unless someone else does that first. I will copy the ODNB proposal and mention what is said here. Carcharoth (talk) 09:17, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- It's a tricky one. Usually we'd say "property on the person for place of burial, property on the monument for who it commemorates" - especially since it means we don't have to draw a fast line between "memorial in lieu of grave" and something more generic like statues, we can just identify the subject(s) of any given monument.
- However, for something like the Dunkirk Memorial, it feels a bit unreasonable to link all the people commemorated - even if we only have items for one or two of them, the potential to get overly complicated is there. And imagine how we'd have to deal with Plymouth Naval Memorial (Q7205840) - every notable British person lost at sea in two wars! We might end up with dozens or more.
- A new "commemorated on" property might work (placed on the item, referring to the memorial) but you do get into the scope problems mentioned for people like monarchs. Andrew Gray (talk) 08:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- You already have 23 people with articles on Thiepval Memorial (Q1861419) (that tends to be people with Victoria Crosses and international sportsmen). Am also a bit unsure at the use of 'cenotaph' (empty tomb) for these memorials. To be fair, that is only 23 out of more than 72,000. The three naval memorials to the missing, plus the Tower Hill memorial come to over 100,000 for both world wars (and there are other memorials as well, for airmen in both world wars). I work a fair amount on the lists of memorials to the missing maintained by the CWGC. This is a very distinct sort of commemoration. Some war dead are also commemorated on village memorials (in fact, most are), so most notable war dead will also be on a local memorial. Some are also on the 'workplace' memorials as well. Not all these memorials will be listed, but some are. As there are so many names on these memorials, they function more like cemeteries, places of mass burial and commemoration (some memorials are in or adjacent to the CWGC cemeteries), rather than memorials which are usually to a named individual. Would it be possible to have a 'rule' that commemorates (P547) is used for a single commemoration and that your suggested new "commemorated on" property is used for memorials to more than one person? It would be nice at some point to be able to run a query that generates a list for all the people with articles that are in CWGC cemeteries or on those memorials. Carcharoth (talk) 09:07, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- I think a number-based rule would be quite difficult to maintain and lead to a lot of confusion, to be honest. There will be too many edge cases. I agree there's some kind of semantic difference between a memorial-in-lieu-of-grave and a statue, but it's hard to find a clear line to draw in data modelling terms :-) Andrew Gray (talk) 11:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Comparison between coverage of Global North content and African contentEdit
Hey Andrew Gray
I am so sorry - for some reason, I only saw your response to my query today - I thought I had just dropped it into an empty void ;-). Thank you so much for your and Jura's work on this. I need to think about how to represent it. I guess one thing to find out is what the number of settlements in Nigeria are (and not just the number of articles on Nigerian settlements) vs. France, and that would give us a percentage coverage, yes? Thanks again ...! Islahaddow (talk) 10:24, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Islahaddow: - yes, I think that'd be useful - "France is 95% covered and Nigeria is 27% covered" would be a nice number to be able to throw around. Defining "settlements" can be tricky, though. Another interesting query is "things in Nigeria with coordinates" - this captures anything with a physical location, towns to mountains to organisations. There are 1152 items with a defined coordinate and marked as country:Nigeria, or ~2400 items with coordinates in the geographic bounding box around Nigeria. Bounding boxes are pretty imprecise and as you can see a good few hundred of these are in Cameroon (thanks to the diagonal border), but even so, it suggests that a lot of places in Nigeria don't have country (P17) set. Andrew Gray (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
James Donald Garvey, Jr. (Q21538482)Edit
- No problem! You might be interested in the list at User talk:Lugnuts/LivingDead, which is the report I was working from - people identified as living on Wikipedia but with a deathdate in Wikidata. Surprisingly many of them... Andrew Gray (talk) 11:23, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
- I run something similar. I look for American people born in years that would be caught in the WWI or WWII draft registration where we only know their year of birth. I use the draft registration to find their full date of birth and add it at Wikipedia and here, and add the document to Wikimedia Commons. The draft registration is an amazing source of information, too bad women are excluded. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
WikiProject Biographical Identifiers member listEdit
I was wondering: do you have a way forward in mind for constituencies? I notice that en-wiki often amalgamates historic and current ("re-created") constituencies, and also ones that have suffered slight spelling changes (eg "East Fife"/"Fife East"; "Cotswold/The Cotswolds"), as well as periodic boundary changes. (Though in fact Q28529230 / The Cotswolds (Q987938) has two different items here on wikidata, though they are combined on en-wiki). Is it best, for the moment, to just follow en-wiki? I've recently added some GSS codes for constituencies in England, adding a named as (P1810) qualifier if the name wasn't quite the same -- mostly punctuation
tinyurl.com/krzwts5, though there is at least one inversion Milton Keynes North East (Q6861254). I've also scraped some constituencies from Vision of Britain, ready to add Vision of Britain unit ID (P3615), so those are also ready to go. Is there any reason to hold back on those, or just go for it?
One thing I did notice is that VoB tracks quite a large number of subclasses of constituency as different constituency "statuses":
- University Constituency (UniCon) , District of Boroughs Constituency (DistBCon) (District of burghs (Q5283483)), Parliamentary Constituency (PCon) , Division of Parliamentary Constituency (PDivCon) , Parliamentary Borough Constituency (PBCon) , Division of Parliamentary Borough Constituency (PBDivCon) , County Constituency (CCon) , Borough Constituency (BCon) , Division of District of Boroughs Constituency (DistBDivCon) , Burgh Constituency (BurCon) , Borough Constituency (BorCon) , Cinque Port Constituency (CqPCon)
Is that something we should follow, or is it easier & more transparent just to keep everything a constituency of the House of Commons (Q27971968) ?
I was very impressed with the style-guide you made for MP's affiliations, so would be interested to know your thoughts. Hope to see you at the Parliamentary Data evening tonight, maybe discuss more then, if you're still planning to go? Jheald (talk) 14:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Jheald: as promised, first draft up at Wikidata:WikiProject British Politicians/Constituencies & Edinburgh South (Q1070093) prettied up as an example. Thoughts? Andrew Gray (talk) 23:08, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Jheald: okay, new draft up now :-). Wikidata:WikiProject_British_Politicians#Constituencies. Andrew Gray (talk) 09:37, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I've had a quick look at the DemocracyClub website(s), following the talk on Tuesday evening, and I'm not sure how much (if any) is worth new properties for. Here's what I could find for some different sorts of things:
- Appears to be the most developed part of the site, having been the back-end for http://YourNextMP.com in 2015, now https://whocanivotefor.co.uk
- David Cameron (Q192) -> https://candidates.democracyclub.org.uk/person/566/david-cameron (In fact the "david-cameron" is not required).
- Diane Abbott (Q153454) -> https://candidates.democracyclub.org.uk/person/2567/diane-abbott
- Existing MPs and some other candidates have links to en-wiki, which could be used for matching
- There appears to be no single identifier or URL for a constituency over time, just for particular elections, eg:
- Hackney North and Stoke Newington (Q3138286) -> https://candidates.democracyclub.org.uk/election/parl.2017-06-08/post/WMC:E14000720/hackney-north-and-stoke-newington (2017)
- Hackney North and Stoke Newington (Q3138286) -> https://candidates.democracyclub.org.uk/election/2015/post/65550/hackney-north-and-stoke-newington (2015)
- Hackney North and Stoke Newington (Q3138286) -> https://candidates.democracyclub.org.uk/election/2010/post/65550/hackney-north-and-stoke-newington (2010)
- (where the number in the middle of the URL came from MapIt: https://mapit.mysociety.org/area/65550.html
- There's also a results site, but it currently seems to only have data for local elections for 2016 and (very limited) 2017 , eg:
- On a different server, there are pages for elected organisations -- but these pages only link to ward boundaries, eg:
- https://elections.democracyclub.org.uk/organisations/CAB/ (Cambridge City Council)
- https://elections.democracyclub.org.uk/organisations/CAM/ (Cambridgeshire County Council)
- https://elections.democracyclub.org.uk/organisations/cambridgeshire-and-peterborough/ (Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority)
- https://elections.democracyclub.org.uk/organisations/parl-hoc/ (House of Commons)
- This server also has pages for particular elections -- but with no information, other than the election is taking place
- https://elections.democracyclub.org.uk/elections/local.cambridge.2016-05-05/ (not populated)
- The data on this server is also available in browseable JSON form in sub-pages of https://elections.democracyclub.org.uk/api/
- and from the candidates service at https://candidates.democracyclub.org.uk/api/v0.9/
- For a particular constituency, the API does seem to have data on the 2015 and 2010 election candidates on a single link, but not 2017:
- ... or rather, it does, but they've changed their identifier
I really don't know what to do with this. They do seem to be making it very difficult to have a single human-friendly URL that links to all the data for a single constituency. Jheald (talk) 15:02, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Hazmat2 Thanks for spotting this - I'll rerun those two and check its other additions. Andrew Gray (talk) 15:53, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Please stop creating duplicates!Edit
I don't know how you do it but I'm getting pretty tired of cleaning up after you when you are creating half-empty items with only instance of (P31) given name (Q202444) as property when there are already existing items more complete. I know you are working on Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources entry (P1888), but please, read the pages.  for example explicitly said it was about the female given name; which was here: Jordana (Q11728238). There was absolutely no need to create a duplicate, with less complete properties, and no labels/descriptions to speak of. I had to merge too many of your creations these last days, I'm getting tired and you show no sign of stopping or cleaning after yourself. So please, do so now. Thank you very much. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 15:09, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Harmonia Amanda: Argh - sorry, I had no idea these were creating duplicates or that you were having to fix them. I did all the DMNES ones in a single run a while back and I don't quite remember the system I used, but I'm pretty sure I was checking each one before creating a new item. I don't know how these duplicates got in. Many apologies! Let me have a look and see what I can do to clean up... Andrew Gray (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Harmonia Amanda: Okay, I've done some cleanup work on this. I've run a script over every DMNES entry to find out what gender it thinks the name is (thankfully the website has it in a clear bit of the HTML), and I've run a bot now to update & source all the given name (Q202444) ones to have the correct gender association. (The ones that already do have it correctly assigned are getting DMNES listed as a source as well.) There are twenty where it's complicated -
- I guess we can leave these as they are. There are now no DMNES names using just given name (Q202444) except for fifteen that are currently queued for deletion (they're entries that have been removed from DMNES and aren't linked from WP pages or used in items.)
- Next step is to try and run a search looking for any DMNES items which have labels matching other male/female given names and merge them if appropriate. Again, I'm really sorry these slipped through when I did it the first time - sorry you've had to go to all this effort and thanks for letting me know about the problem. Andrew Gray (talk) 17:54, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you! I thought you were still creating them, if it was just one batch then it will be much easier to spot. I'll run a SPARQL query with given names with DMNES identifier sharing a label with another given name to spot items to merge. Knowing it will only have to be done once since no new item will be created that way should motivate me. Can you list (here or on my own discussion page) all the divergent genders cases? It could be vandalism, mistakes or genuinely different names, and I would like to verify that. If there are only 21 items, that's not an impossible task. Thank you for working so promptly! --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Harmonia Amanda: Sure - I'm heading out just now but I'll post a list of the complicated cases for you later tonight.
- I've just finished a check on duplicate labels for all male/female name items (not just those with DMNES). For female-names, 139 items share 66 English labels. Male names are much more complicated - 711 items share just 137 English labels (!!!) - although many of these are like Masaharu (Q6782322), which has 67 identical romanisations for different Japanese names, and so shouldn't be merged. Andrew Gray (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, I know, that's something I regularly work on. I have lists upon lists of "corrects" duplicates (sharing labels because it's the same transliteration for several different names) and of "to verify" ones. I'm slowly but steadily emptying the second ones. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 18:49, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Okay, here's the DMNES mismatches:
- Otta (Q2037285) - DMNES says F, WD says unisex (used to say both M & F, but I changed it - not sure if this was right)
- Dagmar (Q1157241) - DMNES says M, WD says F
- Clare (Q16275208) - DMNES says M, WD says F
Maria (Q325872) - DMNES says M, WD says F- fixed
- Yael (Q8046631) - DMNES says unisex, WD says F
- Basile (Q19869360) - DMNES says F, WD says M
- Zacharia (Q21042791) - DMNES says F, WD says M
- Hyacinthe (Q3143564) - DMNES says F, WD says M
- Bence (Q792639) - DMNES says F, WD says M
- Bonaventura (Q892113) - DMNES says F, WD says M
- Morgan (Q1058731) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Nanne (Q14647763) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Claude (Q17523984) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Christian (Q18001597) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Valentine (Q18142088) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Hilary (Q18220894) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Noel (Q261113) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Mercy (Q28538655) - DMNES says F, WD says unisex
- Ami (Q3614182) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Vivian (Q650494) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
- Angel (Q665157) - DMNES says M, WD says unisex
AGBot "member of" mistake"Edit
AGBot is adding North Carolina Senate (Q2269863) to position held (P39), which doesn't make sense. There would have to be an item for people who are "member(s) of the North Carolina Senate." Hazmat2 (talk) 09:57, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Hazmat2: You're quite right - this should have been member of the State Senate of North Carolina (Q19727887). I think it must have been a copy-paste error. Thanks for spotting it, and I'll run a batch to fix them tonight. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
It strikes me that it would be good to get a list of these TNA record creator IDs into mix'n'match. We do have a contact there, User:Zosterae who edits on enWP. I met him in 2015. @pigsonthewing:. Would someone like to chase this one? Charles Matthews (talk) 05:12, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
done any work of baronet(cy)?Edit
I was doing some random work on newspaper obituaries at enWScopying data here, and started on Grant baronet of Monymusk (Q41799287) (from "parent" w:Grant baronets). My first thought is it an instance of a baronetcy (Q18759100) or baronet (Q282019). Then I went exploring for examples, and nothing evident from a rudimentary searching. I then left it for another day. Do you have any thoughts, pointers, etc. for this stuff? My humble roots (looooong descent from agricultural labourers and miners) have never really explored this stuff. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
- @billinghurst: I haven't, but I've been meaning to do some work on titles - it overlaps a lot with politicians, as you might expect, and we're going to have to get it sorted out sooner or later. I don't think anyone's really attacked it yet.
- Grant baronet of Monymusk (Q41799287) is very definitely instance of (P31):baronetcy (Q18759100) (the baronetcy is the title, a baronet is the person). Then the individual holders, eg Sir Archibald Grant, 2nd Baronet (Q7526036), should probably have noble title (P97):Grant baronet of Monymusk (Q41799287) and a series ordinal (P1545) qualifier for the number, plus date qualifiers if possible. However, a problem is that the enwiki pages tend to lump all the baronetcies of a certain surname together (argh) so in theory we'd need to break them up like you've done here. That could be a lot of work!
- One thing I've been considering doing as a first step is import everyone as eg noble title (P97):baronetcy (Q18759100) - using the generic item for the time being - and then we can at least identify them with queries. Associating them with the specific titles can come later. Andrew Gray (talk) 12:08, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
From an example that is a duke, the analogue to noble title (P97):baronetcy (Q18759100) seems not to work: noble title (P97):duchy (Q154547) really isn't right, the correct sense of "dukedom" isn't here, and noble title (P97):duke (Q166886) is superior. "Marquessate" is genuinely far-fetched. So for consistency I'd stick to noble title (P97):baronet (Q282019). w:Baronet#Baronetess: History and forms of address is quite fun as an edge case.
As for the different baronet creations: Grant baronet of Monymusk (Q41799287) part of (P361) Grant baronets (Q5596596) seems a fine triple to me. Just that Grant baronets (Q5596596) instance of (P31) group of humans (Q16334295) or suchlike is probably more appropriate, for a case of multiple creations. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:52, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Okay, to be bold, for Grant baronets (Q5596596), I have done
- instance of -> group of humans
- part of -> Grant (family name)
- subclass of -> baronetcy
- @billinghurst: I forgot to say - I ran an import from WP the other weekend and added about 4000 people as baronets. I'll do a query against History of Parliament in a bit and see if that fills any gaps. I agree on "hereditary" versus "noble" - but the property uses hereditary as an alias and it'll work fine for both cases. Andrew Gray (talk) 10:46, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
stop for a while pleaseEdit
Hey :) We currently have a very high dispatch lag. This causes changes to show up on Wikipedia only very late. This is not ok. Can you please slow down for a while until it is down? You can check it here: Special:DispatchStats. --LydiaPintscher (talk) 21:04, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- @LydiaPintscher: Apologies - didn't notice your message. Now stopped! Andrew Gray (talk) 22:34, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Andrew. Can you shed light on what I've said here? Am not sure why the bot edit was not producing a link for me. Are there job queue and cache issues that mean a link might not get generated? Carcharoth (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Compliments of the seasonEdit
Hi Andrew. Best wishes of the season to you and yours! I've been hugely impressed by the progress you have been making on the MPs over the last few months -- such a mountain to climb, but you have been really carving your way through it. It's a time-consuming and painstaking task, assuring completeness and checking quality, but doing it takes the dataset to a whole new level of usefulness. So I wanted to really salute the effort you have been putting in. My own personal marathon (or one of them) is the BL mechanical curator maps project -- but at last I have got some prospective first batches taking shape, so hope to finally start getting some uploaded in the new year.
Pinging you (amongst others) since you've done some thinking about the Parliament thesaurus, as to whether or not you think it would be useful to be able to record the "broader" field in thesauruses like this, allowing one to reference the thesaurus structure in WDQS queries. Property proposal at Wikidata:Property_proposal/broader_concept. Jheald (talk) 19:11, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
British Library system numberEdit
I've proposed a property for British Library system numbers, Wikidata:Property proposal/British Library system number.
As written, I've suggested using the older nine-digit format for it, as used in the Mechanical Curator release, eg on Flickr.
However, an alternative would be the 'BLL' + eleven-digits format, given by the Explore catalogue as the 'UIN'.
I'm not sure in practice what the difference between the two is -- whether the latter is intended to include a broader range of material, or be considered to be more future-proof; but if you think it would make more sense, do say so in the proposal discussion & I'll go with your recommendation.
Thank you for drawing my attention to the mismatched authors in the batch of theses that I have uploaded. I have amended the theses/authors that you have highlighted and, as you suggest, I certainly will take a closer look at this batch and correct any other mistakes. I have to admit that my error was simply being overconfident that matching the author names against Wikidata items and checking they were educated at (P69) the awarding institution would be sufficient - that obviously is not the case.
"musical work" / "song"Edit
Hi there! Saw your comment here: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1886329&curid=1816497&diff=873614038&oldid=873610339
While you're right in thinking "musical work" is technically redundant for an item with instance of = song, it's practically very useful as Wikidata currently suffers from a legacy conflation of song and single. By adding the "musical work" as we slug through the cleaning up of thousands of items affected it makes it easier to keep track of which items have been looked at and which might need some attention. It's not a hard rule though, so up to you. Moebeus (talk) 02:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Moebeus: I suspected it might be something like that! I'm guessing this is like the conflation of novel (story) & book (edition) that we're struggling with for those as well. It's not a field I've done much work with so I hadn't seen it before, and I initially assumed it might be one of the weird once-off P31s that creep in sometimes and need cleaning up. But when I saw there were a few of them, I figured it was probably intentional and I shouldn't mess with it too much :-) Andrew Gray (talk) 23:24, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Reminder: Do not add unreferenced statements to WikidataEdit
Hi Andrew Gray,
Please bear in mind that statements you add to Wikidata need, if challenged, be supported by a reference. See Help:Sources about ways to do that. Please avoid adding statements to Wikidata as a mere service to an acquittance of yours. It would be highly detrimental to the overall project if we would go there.
If you are unsure if a statement you are trying to reference is supported by the reference you add, please discuss it first. --- Jura 13:38, 7 April 2019 (UTC)