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This page uses the Structured Discussions extension of MediaWiki (SD, formerly known as “Flow”). I think that we really need something like this instead of the classical discussion approach, but I am also aware of the fact that not everything works smoothly yet in SD. If you struggle to use this discussion page perfectly, do not worry and just leave a messy or broken comment for me. You do not need to figure out how to write a perfectly formatted comment with lots of trial-and-error edits. I am hopefully going to figure out what is on, otherwise I am going to ask you. Thanks!

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:MisterSynergy/Archive 1 on 2015-11-09.


Kareyac (talkcontribs)

Hi, thank you for merging items hy-WP and hyw-WP. Can you also remove description in hy "Հոդվածը Հայերեն Վիքիպեդիայի Արևմտահայերեն բաժնից է։ Յօդուածը Հայերէն Ուիքիփետիայի Արեւմտահայերէն բաժնէն է։". It tells in hyw language that "it is the duplicated item". You are also moving descriptions from hy-duplicated (not hy-main) item to alias of main (usually older) item. Can you move it to hyw Description instesd. Feel free to ask any questions on topic.

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Hey Kareyac, yes I will do so, after the merge batch has finished. It is pretty easy to locate those descriptions, and to remove them in a separate batch. I will also have a look at the aliases.

Kareyac (talkcontribs)

Thank you

Epìdosis (talkcontribs)

Hi! Would it be also possible adding the sitelink to hyw-WP using the hy-alias resulting from the merge (example)?

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

I will try this. The merge batch has finished a couple of minutes ago, now I am fixing the descriptions as indicated by User:Kareyac. Aliases will be next, and this is also the time when the sitelink issue is something worth to have a look at …

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Okay, after some evaluation I found that the alias/sitelink problem is a little more complicated. I will have to adapt some Python code that I already have written for another job, in order to get this properly done. I am not able to do this today and likely also not tomorrow, but there will probably be some time on Sunday for this task. I keep you updated here.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Personally, I'd delete the second item once it's empty.

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Well, the mergers have already completed, and formally this is a cleaner way than deletions anyways. There is just some tidying left for the first ~2000 cases.

Kareyac (talkcontribs)

The procedure became much cleaner. I'm matching hyw articles to items by The Distributed Game now. It suggests deleted WD pages. Can something be done to avoid "not true" suggestions?

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Can you link to the Game? It is a bit difficult to make suggestions otherwise :-)

The aliases are still on my worklist. However, I have to wait for a bug to be resolved that prevents me from accessing my own recent contributions.

Epìdosis (talkcontribs)
MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

They are working on it, see phab:T221380 and some related tasks.

Kareyac (talkcontribs)
MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Okay I see a problem here.

In a second batch, I deleted some items which were marked as "permanent duplicates", but there was no link to or backlink from the item it was duplicating. The tool apparently still knows these items, but they cannot be used any longer.

However, those duplicates are usually not the items you want to connect the hywwiki articles to. You somehow need to figure out which the original item is. No idea whether tools can help you, to be honest.

Kareyac (talkcontribs)
MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Okay. I cannot really help with this task, as I don't even have a remote idea about which topics the unconnected items are.

I still plan to fix the aliases, but unfortunately they have not yet fixed the contributions page problem which I need for that task. I heard that they might be fixing it this Wednesday, so let's see…

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Special:Contributions was fixed meanwhile, and I am prepared to move the hy-aliases which resulted from my mergers to hyw-labels. Should the hy-aliases always be removed, or rather be kept additionally to (then identical) hyw-labels?

Kareyac (talkcontribs)

Many moves from aliases to labels are already done and I'm afraid it can only harm your task. I don't think hy-aliases-from-duplicates must be kept as hy-aliases. If your task can be done easily "en masse", please do it, but if my changes in aliases and labels can only harm that task I'm sorry, please don't waiste your time on this minor things. Kind regards

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

I have a list of hy-aliases which I added during the mergers. No problem to work only on those aliases which are still present, and those hyw-labels which are still missing. I will start this later today, and remove all the hy-aliases-from-duplicates.

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

All hy-aliases from the mergers have now been moved.

How about the sitelinks, do you still need help? I would otherwise try some automated matching there as well...

Kareyac (talkcontribs)

Only app. 450 pages have no sitelinks, I'll match them fast.

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Next attempt to make elements deletionproof

Mateusz Konieczny (talkcontribs)
MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

I will have a look tomorrow.

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Constructif (talkcontribs)

Vous avez effacé plusieurs de nos entrées récentes "anille", "axe de moulin" et sans doute d'autres.

Nous sommes cependant en train de construire un thésaurus de concepts archéologiques et avons besoin de ces entrées pour afficher les définitions sur lesquelles les membres de notre équipe se mettent ensuite d'accord. Merci de ne pas supprimer et plutôt de rétablir ces entrées (undelete) afin que nous puissions continuer à enrichir Wikidata.

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Hey Constructif, as I don't understand any French unfortunately, I reply based on this translation of your comment by Google Translate:

Thesaurus in progress ...

You have deleted many of our recent entries "anille", "mill axis" and probably others.

We are, however, constructing a thesaurus of archaeological concepts and need these entries to display the definitions on which the members of our team then agree. Please do not delete and restore these entries (undelete) so that we can continue to enrich Wikidata.

Without further information about missing items, I have difficulties to undelete them. Can you please tell me either all Q-IDs of deleted items, or alternatively name all accounts of your team members (?) which where involved in the item creation process (I can then lookup "deleted pages by account"). I would undelete them, of course.

However, please be prepared to make all of your items compliant with the Wikidata:Notability policy page. Unfortunately, we see a lot of abandoned items without enough identifying information and/or with no possibility for verifiability against external third-party sources. If your items do not meet the notability policy, another admin might be deleting your items again. If you have questions regarding the notability policy and how to make items compliant, you can ask me for help.


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Mateusz Konieczny (talkcontribs)
MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the message. I'll write a reply an the Administrators' noticeboard later this day.

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Wurgl (talkcontribs)

Ich sehe da nicht so richtig den Unterschied, aber die svWP hat tatsächlich zwei Artikel? Gesehen weil VIAF wieder mal fröhlich mixt und z.B. LCAuth doppelt vergeben ist. --Wurgl (talk) 14:03, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Das kommt leider superoft vor. Beide Artikel sind vom Lsjbot basierend auf der GeoNames-Datenbank und einigen anderen Quellen "geschrieben" worden, und darin werden halt systematisch Gemeinde- und Ortschaftseinträge getrennt. Das ist der Bot, der auch die Cebuano-Wikipedia und ich glaube die Waray-Waray-Wikipedia massenhaft mit Artikeln befüllt hat.

Unzufrieden sind damit viele, ich weiß gerade nicht wie das gelöst wird. Möglicherweise würden die svwiki-Kollegen einen der beiden Artikel löschen.

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Sjoerddebruin (talkcontribs)
MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

I do so, max lag is fine all the day. My bot uses pywikibot with standard config (maxlag=5), thus it slows down automatically as soon as there is a problem with lag. I have experienced that several times in the past, but this night everything went smoothly.

Sjoerddebruin (talkcontribs)

I thought max lag also influenced the edit rate, but good to know. Guess this task needs some higher priority then.

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

I found this graph re WDQS lag in the phab, and now I see the problem. As the phab states, WDQS lag is apparently not factored in into the lag parameter, thus my bot cannot see this problem, and consequently it cannot slow down as well.

Last November I asked for current rate limits at Wikidata:Contact the development team/Archive/2018/11#Current rate limits, and the answer basically was "just respect maxlag parameter and you are fine". This is what I do. I cannot monitor the WDQS lag graph manually all the time, as that bot batch lasts many days and potentially weeks even at something like 117 edits per minute.

In order to recude the load, I slowed down to 60/min. I don't want to cease bot activity completely, or wait for the rare and small time windows where WDQS lag is fine to start for short sprints. This is apparently another bottleneck which needs to be fixed quickly, either by integrating the problem into the lag parameter so that bots slow down automatically, or by making the infrastructure stronger so that this does not happen again. The WDQS graph suggests that WDQS lag is rather the rule than the exception these days.

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Dimon2711 (talkcontribs)

Hi! In my request for sysop permissions you said "too early". I understand that I'm really recently joined to wikidata, but I can't wait for admins' reaction for 2-3 hours. Also Jianhui67 and Epìdosis said that my contribs are excellent. Then do you still think that it's too early for me to be a sysop? or do you have any other comments? Thanks!

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Hey Dimon, to make it short: yes I still think it is too early, but I am glad that you ask user(s) before you run for a second time.

Long answer: I appreciate your recent efforts in the field of countervandalism activities, and your contributions seem mostly fine. At the Administrators' noticeboard, you are currently reporting more IPs and accounts than most other users, and many of them would not be blocked if there was no report. That said, there is a pattern that most vandals in Wikidata are tired very quickly, which means that they do some ten edits or so and then cease their malicious behavior without being blocked. Thus, blocks are not that often used, and it is sometimes worth to wait some 10 minutes before one reverts, in order not to provoke the vandals. Nevertheless, it is important that users scan through the RC stream to look for malicious edits. Regarding RfD I am not very informed about your contributions right now, but this also means that I am not aware of a serious problem in this field.

What is more important for me to consider you as an admin is the time you are actively contributing (just a couple of months, per, and the fields you are active in. To support you in another RfA, I'd like to see a somewhat broader footprint than you have right now—I have not seen anything else than countervandalism work. There are plenty of things which need users attention beyond countervandalism activities, even without administrative tools (translations, general helpdesk, property proposals as well as property deletion discussions, the constraints system, batch editing, and so on …). If you involve yourself in some (not all) of such fields with helpful contributions, it would certainly help a lot to improve your standing in the community.

Thus, if you consider a second RfA, I strongly recommend to wait at least for some months, maybe around half a year. Without doubt there is more than enough to do. The other RfA has finished only about a month ago, with in fact overwhelming opposition. I would also recommend to ask some users that you trust whether they would recommend running, and maybe one of them could write a laudatio for you, as it happened for the current RfA of User:BRPever (side note: that user is even less experienced than you are to my knowledge, but the fact that they were suggested by another admin helped them a lot. A LOT!). Needless to say that you shouldn't be using canvassing ever again if you run for elevated rights, as mentioned by several users in your RfA.

So please stay tuned! If you have followup questions, don't hesitate to get in contact with me (it sometimes takes a few days for me to respond, because I am quite busy, and I tend to give excessive answers ) Cheers!

Dimon2711 (talkcontribs)

Thanks! OK, I'll try to use all your recommends. Maybe, I'll made request again in autumn or winter. There is a good proverb in Ukraine: не спіши поперед батька в пекло (English (google-translate): do not hurry before your father in hell). Regards, Dimon2711

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My WikiData Article - Is there a backup?

Inbrandgroup (talkcontribs)

Good afternoon,

I spent a while making a WikiData article for my startup, InBrand Group. Apparently and so it is, you have removed it because it 'Does not meet the notability policy' I hope you have a backup or can restore it as a lot of information was stored on it. I also do not see why it was taken down. The name was InBrand Group.

Hope you can help me,


MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Your items did not meet any of the criteria mentioned at Wikidata:Notability, thus they did not qualify for inclusion at Wikidata. I could restore them, as "deletion" technically means "no longer visible to the general public", but I'd like to hear first according to which of the criteria you plan to expand your item.

"Notability" in Wikidata, defined on the page linked above, means in practice that there is substantial coverage about your business in serious external sources (online or offline). This does not include any sources which are under your own control, or user generated content websites. If you can indicate that there is such coverage, I would undelete your item.

Inbrandgroup (talkcontribs)

I see. If I prove that my company has got an online presence, can it be put back up? Thanks.

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Well, as I said: anything that is under your own control does not count as a serious source. If your item was notable for Wikidata, you could of course add a link to your website, but that by itself does not make it notable. You need substantial coverage by an external, third-party source.

Inbrandgroup (talkcontribs)

I see. I might come back to you for that one at a different time. Is there any way you can send me the information that was included in the WikiData page? I will not make another one. It was just handy having the info around.

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Backlink for tracking purposes: Q63170808


English    InBrandGroup    A software and media company making security and stock photo software.    InBrandNetwork, InBrand, HatTM

German    InBrandNetwork    Ein Software- und Medienunternehmen, das Sicherheits- und Fotoarchivierungssoftware herstellt.    InBrand Group, InBrand, HatTM

French    RéseauInBrand    Une entreprise de logiciels et de médias qui fabrique des logiciels de sécurité et de stockage de photos    InBrand Group, InBrand, HatTM

Scots    LìonraInBrand    Luchd-dèiligidh Ein Software- und Medienunternehmen, das Sicherheits-und Fotoarchivierungssoftware herstellt.    


instance of:    business

instance of:    enterprise

industry:    software as a service

industry:    photo print sizes

industry:    stock photography

industry:    software design

industry:    mobile phone industry

industry:    web design

inception:    2 September 2017

official name:    InBrand Network (English)

chief executive officer:    Q63170819 (Deleted Item)

country:    United Kingdom

legal form:    privately held company

parent organization:    Q63170808 (Deleted Item)

headquarters location:    London

employees:    2

product or material produced:    Q63170821 (Deleted Item)

official website:


ISO 9362 SWIFT/BIC code:    N/A

Inbrandgroup (talkcontribs)

Thank you!

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Remove ±0 bounds from qualifier(s) without uncertainty

Florentyna (talkcontribs)

You removed a lot of the ±0 bounds. Do you know how can I avoid to generate these bounds when using quick_statements? And second, if generated, how can I delete these ±0 bounds from existing entries? Thank you very much. ~~~~

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Hey Florentyna, as far as I know, Quick Statements, Version 2, does not add bounds if you do not explicitly add them as input. Help:QuickStatements#Add simple statement, under "Quantity", describes how proper input looks like, and the "tolerance" input is marked optional (tolerance is the same as bounds). The old Quick Statements, Version 1 tool always adds bounds, as far as I remember. If ever possible, please use the newer Version 2, as Version 1 is no longer supported by Magnus Manske.

So some example input:

You can try to do this with the sandbox item Church in Bruchstedt (Q4115189) (don't be confused by the current content), and the sandbox property Sandbox-Quantity (P1106). It does not matter whether you add the quantity as main value, qualifier, or reference.

Regarding existing content: the easiest is to use bot code. I have such code and could fix it for you. Which items and properties/qualifiers do you talk about?

Viele Grüße!

Florentyna (talkcontribs)

Thanks a lot for the quick response. At the end I did not know, that V2 exists (could be mentioned on the V1 page). I will use this version for future ranking additions. For removing, I latest added all sub-pages of the Dutch Badminton Championships (example: 1960 Dutch Badminton Championships – Women's doubles), and some time ago all pages belonging to the Scottish Open Badminton Championships (example: 1960 Scottish Open Badminton Championships – Women's doubles). If you could remove all the ±0 bounds on all the subpages that would be great. Best regards ~~~~

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

Yes it is definitely worth to prefer QS V2 over the old version, for many reasons. Most input in "command sequence syntax" from V1 works in V2 as well, but some details need to be done differently. The help page linked above is relatively well maintained, although sometimes difficult to understand.

You talk about ranking (P1352) qualifiers, right? I plan to start a repair batch for those qualifiers once my current QS batch has finished some time this evening.

Florentyna (talkcontribs)
MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

This has just finished.

Florentyna (talkcontribs)

Thank you very much, looks now much better!

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Schwede66 (talkcontribs)

Q56434717 got vandalised five times last month. At what point do we protect items? And how is that done on Wikidata?

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

We have a Wikidata:Page protection policy. If you happen to think that there is excessive vandalism on an item page, you can request protection for it at the Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard. We typically start with temporary protections (1m to 3m) and escalate this up to a year in most cases; there is no fixed quantitative amount of vandalism instances we look for.

Administrators can also add page protections without prior request. I am now watching the item as well, and in case there is another instance, I wouldn’t hesitate to protect the item.

Schwede66 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for explaining.

Schwede66 (talkcontribs)

She's a controversial person and you might as well apply permanent protection; she will continue to attract vandals when the current protection expires.

MisterSynergy (talkcontribs)

We typically escalate protection durations, up to a year or so, in several steps. As you can see, I am still watching the item and I have repeatedly reverted vandalism until I’ve seen enough for a second semi-protection. I will continue to keep an eye on it.

However, we do not use that much protection here at Wikidata. Until very recently, there were only ~2200 protections being applied in total since the start of Wikidata (this is as little as roughly 1 per day), and only ~130 of them were indefinite. There is currently a trend to use the protection tool more often after administrator Abián started to apply protections based on item usage in Wikimedia projects (i.e. lots of statement usage by a Wikipedia article). Whether this will become policy and thus continue or not is debated in Wikidata:Requests for comment/semi-protection to prevent vandalism on most used Items.

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