User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )

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Mabel Boll

Hi,
I wanted to know if you have references about the informations you added on Q6721414 ? We can see that your birth date is different from the one on the VIAF site, and I also think that you must have strong sources to support that someone have suffer of mental illness.
If these properties can't be sourced, I'll suppress them. Simon Villeneuve (talk) 12:54, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

She died as a patient in a mental institution. If you took the time to read her Wikipedia entry you would see from the New York Times: "died Sunday of a stroke in Manhattan State Hospital for the mentally ill on Wards Island." Are you assuming that she was a visitor or maybe an employee? Her birth date comes from her passport application of 20 January 1920. This is probably the 50th incorrect VIAF or obituary date I have corrected based on a primary document. Most errors are incorrectly back calculated by subtracting the perceived age from the year of death and are off by a year. Sometimes women shave a year or two off of their age to appear younger, or sometimes men pad on a few years to be older to serve in the military. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:06, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi again,
I putted the source for the place of death. I still think that a mental illness is a kind of thing we must source correctly before putting it on a element.
About the passport, I don't know what you are talking about. Do you have a link ? The World Library is saying too that she's born in 1995 : http://www.worldlibrary.org/articles/mabel_boll . Simon Villeneuve (talk) 19:27, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

That is a Wikipedia fork, always read the bottom of the page. It should be pretty obvious in that it has the same infobox and the same headers as the Wikipedia article. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, but you know that we can't source the date of birth with something like « comes from her passport application of 20 January 1920 » without any link. I just want to believe you man, please help me a little bit. Simon Villeneuve (talk) 20:51, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Place of Birth/Death Strings

When adding genealogical data sources, there are sometimes sources that only give the name of a city where a person was born or died without saying where the city is located. Sometimes this means that the city isn't specified unambiguously. To the extent that we want Wikidata to be welcoming of genealogical data, I think it would be good to be able to store strings of places of birth/death, so that data can be added even if the item of the specific town can't be specified. I therefore created a property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/place_of_birth_string What do you think about it? Would you mind adding a support vote? ChristianKl (talk) 15:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Sign your comments

Hi, I saw a lot of unsigned comments by you in the project chat. It's difficult to follow the discussion if we don't know who wrote the comments. Stryn (talk) 09:40, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Greetings

It's good to see you here too. You have been busy; great! Robin Patterson (talk) 08:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Marriage: start/end dates

To answer your question raised on Project Chat, my talk page and elsewhere: Wikidata currently uses "end date" on spouse (P26). So yes, you can import it here. That English language Wikipedia wants to use it (or not) is really up to them and has no impact on Wikidata contributions.
--- Jura 11:32, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:49, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Military properties

Good evening! I can see that you are dealing with military Properties
If usefull I have collected my self the enclosed Properties

Military properties

Jean de Lattre de Tassigny (Q81114)	Q8018776	Peter Ustinov (Q55796)	Carl Gustav Fleischer (Q3499537)	Bjarne Øen (Q4570107)	German battleship Scharnhorst (Q155222)	Army Norway (Q1771854)	Bundeswehr (Q56010)	Operation Weserübung (Q150939)
commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598)	commanded by (P4791)	military branch (P241)	military rank (P410)	position held (P39)	conflict (P607)	headquarters location (P159)	has part(s) (P527)	order of battle (P4220)
French Far East Expeditionary Corps (Q2997796)	Q21651731	British Army (Q222595)	major general (Q157148)	military officer (Q189290)	World War II (Q362)	Lillehammer (Q3745117)	German Navy (Q56015)	Norwegian Campaign order of battle (Q7061041)

Breg Pmt (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Your username after your death

Hello 👋🏻,

Jeff G. and I were wondering what would happen to your username after you die 💀? Would you let one of your loved ones request a rename to the year of your death? -- Donald Trung/徵國單  (討論 🀄) (方孔錢 💴) 18:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Whoever notices me dead first, I hope you will keep an eye out for me! If I do not log into my Google account for 1 month it sends a message to my daughter that I am probably dead.

You are welcome to leave her your username, password, and instructions in your will, or to choose a new username like RAN at M:Special:GlobalRenameRequest.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 23:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Your question about what it means when we say "item" or "topic" in Wikidata

Hi Richard, I saw that you had a question about "main article items". The term "item" is sometimes switched to "topic" both in Wikidata and Wikipedia. In Wikidata, you will see in official docs the use of both "item" and "topic" when talking about a QID page. Both are OK to say, but I have seen use of "topic" to be more universally understood now, even though wikibase-item is the actual datatype. I recently submitted a change on that page to link to the Wikidata:Glossary. Besides that, items are discussed on the Help:Items page. Hope that helps! Thadguidry (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@Thadguidry: I suspect this was in connection with WD:N, and the distinction there made between "category items" (eg: Category:Paris (Q5626403)) and "main article items" (eg: Paris (Q90). In any case, RAN's question was from two years ago, and the text of WD:N has evolved considerably since then. Jheald (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@Jheald: Thanks for the heads up! Thadguidry (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Q4904849

Please, big-game hunting (Q4904849) is not a sport (edition). If you want put it in another place, ok for me, but no in sports, because is an activity. Thanks. --Vanbasten 23 (talk) 07:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC) @Vanbasten 23: But a synonym for it is "sport hunting" or "hunting for sport" as opposed to hunting for food. I think you are narrowly defining "sport" as "competitive sport". --RAN (talk) 13:06, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

WikiTree

Hello Richard! I believe you are active on WikiTree. I'm not, but have discovered apparent duplicate entries regarding John Early (Q6231048). On WikiTree, Early-506 and Early-681 both approximately match birth/death date and locations. Corresponding pages are at Geni and Find a Grave. If you can investigate and merge these entries, please do. Thanks, -Animalparty (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

• Will do! --RAN (talk) 00:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Also I suggest you patrol this section if you ever wanna merge more Wikitree people. ミラP 02:17, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Yikes! Almost as big as VIAF errors. --RAN (talk) 02:41, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

COVID form

Hi there,

I've created this form that help set up items like Ronald William Lewis (Q89957906) very quickly. I hope it speaks for itself but if you have any questions I'd be happy to help. --1Veertje (talk) 11:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

• Nice job, thanks! --RAN (talk) 19:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I should tell you about the hidden feature where if you put in "Tuesday" it will get the last Tuesday before the publication date of the source you're citing as the DOD or if that's not given the last Tuesday before today. I should fix that if the news article is published on a Tuesday it takes that day. At the moment it will be off by a week. It's why the DOD is a free input field. Only English is supported for now. 1Veertje (talk) 06:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Long Time, No See

Welcome back! I hadn't seen your name in a while and did a double take. I hope that all is well with you. Alansohn (talk) 23:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Blocked in English Wikipedia, which is a shame, I find probably three errors a day that go uncorrected. Working here and on the Library of Congress project adding their photos with context to Commons.

The Peerage merges

I've completed a first sweep through The Peerage marriages, scanning 50,000 at a time with a query like tinyurl.com/y32tswqo looking for potential candidates for a merge. On your question of how many 'spouse' statements ought to be left on each item, let's see just what the statement combination bots do combine, then I'll raise that question at Project Chat.

However, one thing that worries me, having only just saved myself from merging David Mills (Q5237580) and David Mills (Q3018466) (prompted because the first had marked (incorrectly!) as the spouse of Tessa Jowell (Q272642)), I do worry that I might have introduced some incorrect merges of namesakes.

I've tried to catch the ones that I can, but queries like https://w.wiki/ZwE (multiple fathers) and https://w.wiki/ZwF (multiple mothers) are still showing quite a lot of anomalies.

I don't know how busy you are with other things, but if you could spare any time to help try to go through these and try to investigate why each one may be showing up on the list, I could really use the help. (Some might be conflations of the principals caused by bad merges, some might be simply wrong statements, some might be resolvable as biological/legal/adoptive parents. Thanks! Any help you could spare, I'd be really grateful. Jheald (talk) 18:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Glad to help! A free subscription to Familysearch can help clear up some of the people with the same name. I then add the link to their Familysearch entry in Wikidata. It is maddening when people only have a given name and a surname. Everyone should adopt the Spanish naming system where your mother's maiden name is your middle name.

They get harder and harder as you fix the easy ones first! --RAN (talk) 03:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Q98537072, Q104747614

Hi. Would you mind clarifying the difference, if there is one, between your creations transposed birth and death dates (Q98537072) and transposed birth and death dates (Q104747614)? Thanks, Phleg1 (talk) 09:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Phleg1: Good catch, I merged them. --RAN (talk) 13:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

check out my tools

Hi! I think you might like my tool New Q5 and its sibling covid-obit. --1Veertje (talk) 10:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

help with Q86431843

hey you said: "If you are the Apple technician that hijacked the biologist's QID, that caused all the problems, maybe it is time to stop causing problems. The changes you keep calling for will not make you the owner of the name at Google. It appears that you want to remove the person with the same name as you, so that YOU can have the Google Knowledge Graph when someone types in that name. The biologist will always have a higher ranking than you in the Google algorithm. Please stop."

but this is not true. the panel is mine. I'm the original owner I can prove it. the merge with the two pages. Change my panel. I don't want to remove the biologist from google. just from my panel. so if you remove the old page and move to the new page its fix all the problems. I fix my panel and you keep the data of the biologist in your website. just try to help me. the merge do a mess with my panel and all my hard work was damaged...

SPA - Swedish Portrait Archive

I saw you used SPA. I have a tool I am developing for uploading pictures if you are interested

• video
• Add to common.js see my User:Salgo60/common.js

 importScript( 'User:Salgo60/spa2commons3.js' );

- Salgo60 (talk) 23:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Salgo60: Excellent, thanks! I wish they added the dates for the publications they are taken from, it will help date the photos. I notice most are released under a "creative commons no commercial use" license, but most appear to be in the public domain. Is there any plan to upload all the ones that are in the public domain? Is there a way to let the database creators know you have more information? Some one might be listed as "L. Olson" but when I find the full name, I add it to Wikidata, but their database should be updated too. --RAN (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Another video

a) Omar who has scanned 880 000 pictures started without sources and books so the dates we dont know but it books from 1900

b) yes licensing is open and free https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ BUT can they set copyright for something they just have scanned...

I havent argued with them. All scanned are in category c:Category:Uploaded_with_spa2Commons if we should change license

b-1) if you find a opicture with a specific license let me know I can change the script to read the licebse info

c) There are more Facebook groupos open group / for members / technical groupo

d) upload all - no plans I guess its to many "normal people"

e) I can just click on the name and update it. I guess you need to be member... let me know if you would like to be member I can pay for you but I guess I have to tell the people your Facebook account number

- 23:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• They just approved my Facebook! How much does it cost to be able to edit? Have they considered adding a link to the person in Familysearch at SPA? --RAN (talk) 23:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I can pay its abt. 100 SEK or something. I guess its easier for everyone if I pay with the Swedish payment system sv:Swish
  • Family Search: You can add URLs. I tried to convince them using Wikidata Qnumber for locations but it was never done - Salgo60 (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I am https://www.facebook.com/richardarthurnorton

• I also wish the people that do the Swedish Death Index would just put it online, instead of making you buy a version on a USB drive. --RAN (talk) 00:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

The Swedish Death index I guess will never be online. The people developing SPA has "cracked the CD" so we have the data ;.-) And I asked the owner of the data https://www.rotter.se/ and get first a maybe that we should be able to match all people in SPA and set a death date. But they changed and it was a no, I guess genealogy societies needs to earn some money and right now its just by selling USB... - Salgo60 (talk) 00:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Do you add the familytree function at Commons: Commons:Category:Anton Julius Winblad ?--RAN (talk) 00:57, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• havt seen it but it makes sense... I am happy seeing father/mother/child in the Wikidata infobox.... in sv:Wikipedia it normally doesnt appear.... - Salgo60 (talk) 13:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Member SPA

I got this answer

• 1) Log in with your facebook account and register on the page https://swedishportraits.com/membership
• 2) select how you will pay I guess paypal is your inky option

Let me know or ask in the FB group if you have problems - Salgo60 (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Unanitz

I tried to figure out from where you took this name variant (Special:Diff/1527514807). I fail to find any sources beside Wikipedia that associate "Unanitz" to Alatskivi. Per sources like [1] and also your own notes on Wikisource Unanitz is in Ingermanland. Hence "Unanitz" for Alatskivi is probably wrong as Alatskivi definitely wasn't in Ingria (Ingermanland). I also traced Wikipedia info down to your edit comment where you mention a library inquiry (en:Special:Diff/501391964). The latter however doesn't explain much and apparently also constitutes unwanted original research (en:WP:OR). 2001:7D0:81DA:F780:B9BA:AFCE:64AE:9C12 10:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

it came from "Han war född på Alatzliwi 1662 ( Stjerman i fin Matr . fåger på Unanitz i Ins germanland ) , och dog i Malmø 1737. Rortan bar 3 bånkrader och en liten dålig orgel mes 2 stammor . De Jyske Handels Expediter hafwa på egen koftnad åt sig ..." see; https://books.google.com/books?id=3VdiAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA159&dq=%22Unanitz%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-1-PxzZ30AhWNlWoFHc8FB-YQ6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Unanitz%22&f=false Have I misinterpreted it?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs).

My understanding of Swedish is limited. If I get it right then "född på Alatzkiwi 1662" means that he was born in Alatskivi. However, what is the part in brackets (..."Unanitz i Ingermanland" – "Unanitz in Ingria") about? I still don't think that it could suggests that Unanitz stands for Alatskivi as the latter wasn't in Ingria.

As for birth place, there seems to be some sort of confusion around it in sources. Other sources that you have referenced on the other hand explicilty say that Cronman was born in Ingria. Perhaps this confusion is explained in some source, or do we know which sources are more reliable in this matter? 2001:7D0:81DA:F780:FB:6438:6C23:DF4 21:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• I agree with you, so I have created a new entry Unanitz (Q109606988) and will add a note to the transcription at Commons:File:Johan Cronman (1662-1737) in Karl XII's officerare biografiska anteckningar.png about the confusion, and the question of whether they are the same place or not. As you can see at the translation there is difficulty figuring out which battles described correspond to our entries at Wikidata, which may be using a place name from another language. We tend to only have entries for major battles of Swedish wars. --RAN (talk) 22:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

To me the confusion is about whther Cronman was born in Unanitz or Alatskivi, not about whether the places are the same. I don't see what exactly in some source may suggest the latter. Though, it'd nice if someone fluent in Swedish and otherwise proficient in reading such documents could explain what exactly does given source say in brackets about Unanitz. 2001:7D0:81DA:F780:88D9:622B:4D50:8640 11:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Detective work

The full horror: Talk:Q76374587 -- Jheald (talk) 22:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Jheald: You should be billing him $50 and hour for doing his actual genealogy. --RAN (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

• :-) Jheald (talk) 10:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

FYI

Note: you can create names easily by the User:Bargioni/quickNames.js tool. Matlin (talk) 19:38, 24 March 2023 (UTC)