Talk:Q29401270

Let's talk

@Til Eulenspiegel, Succu, Brya: Let's talk about this interwiki conflict before this transforms into an edit war. I see you all blowing up my notifications. Now, what's the deal? --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 02:21, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I think it may be sorted now, @AmaryllisGardener:... Initially this page had contained only sco and am, Scots and Amharic, meaning they linked to one another but not to any other languages. When I questioned the purpose of this arrangement on AN, fresh from a similar edit war over "Ginger" and "Tomato" articles, I was finally made to understand that most of the "Watermelon" articles had not been sorted yet into their designated three items, so I have done this now to the best of my ability. As long as the Amharic article links to en:Watermelon as it does now, I am happy and my purpose is not defeated. I notice you just added a secondary Scots article for second topic, which is even better. Sorry about the notifications, not sure how the edit warring here would send you any personal notifications but sorry anyway. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 10:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Til Eulenspiegel: It's alright. I get notifications when articles I create are linked to a different item. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 16:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

From a taxonomic point of view moving selected sitelinks from Citrullus lanatus (Q17507129) to Citrullus lanatus var. lanatus (Q29401270) is no helpfull. We have no other varieties of Citrullus lanatus (Q17507129), hence the sitelinks belong to Citrullus lanatus (Q17507129). --Succu (talk) 17:47, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: After all that discussion, we are still having a problem, it seems User:Brya is insistent that Amharic and Scots articles for the Watermelon link only to one another and have no available link to a more complete article of information in another language, among other bottlenecks with his cooperation. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 23:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorting this out

af:Tsamma and en:Citron melon both refer to the same, if I am not mistaken, and should be together. These are the only two wikipedias with an article for that plant as I have seen.

All the articles currently on this page, however refer to the sweet watermelon species (not the bitter) and should be with other like articles.

I understand there are taxonomy issues, but the taxonomy confusion is resulting in a split of articles on some basis other than the above. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

For the record

I repeat:

"Even if the word "watermelon" may not be the full 100.00% unequivocal, watermelon is a clear concept, it has its own Unicode character 🍉. By and large, it is clear that the taxon it derives from has been named Citrullus lanatus in the past and that this taxon will be named Citrullus lanatus in future. Both Citrullus lanatus and watermelon have their own item and both items have an enwiki sitelink. It is really not very complicated.

        The one complicating factor is that the enwiki page for watermelon has a taxobox claiming it derives from Citrullus lanatus var. lanatus. This is in error [...]" Pretty much by definition, Citrullus lanatus var. lanatus refers to what now should be called Citrullus amarus.

- Brya (talk) 05:06, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Just another heading

And in the meantime, while you-all sort out the confusion being propagated by the en. article, we continue to have a situation where:

• af:Tsamma and en:Citron melon are split between two items, despite both being about one of the two types of melon in question, and,

• All the articles about the other melon, the "sweet" watermelon, whatever you want to name it in Latin, are being artificially split into three different data items, with Scots, Amharic and Odissa being singled out and segregated to this item about the "bitter" watermelon, for no discernible or explicable reason distinguishing these languages from scores of other languages, that similarly miscopied "C. lanatus var. lanatus" for the "wrong" species from en.

And no rational basis exists why these three language and only these three languages are being discriminated against and being forced to have their sweet watermelon articles linked to a "bitter" page when anyone can easily see they describe the sweet species. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 10:14, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I am also asking @AmaryllisGardener:'s input, since he has assured me he designed the Scots article to match the English one and is as perplexed by this as anyone. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 10:19, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Til Eulenspiegel: As you said, it's a confusing situation, but I think you should just look at the taxoboxes and separate them that way, and just have one for "Citrullus lanatus", one for "Citrullus lanatus var. lanatus", and one for the citron melon (whichever of the Latin names they use for it). --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 16:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

On the advice of Succu, I had done just that and at one point had this page populated with 13 articles that all say 'Citrullus lanatus var. lanatus' as does the English. But it now turns out that not only is the English article wrong, and all of the others have copied the error, but that this page Citrullus lanatus var. lanatus is actually a synonym for the bitter, white-fleshed citron melon. So you see my frustration. I have now corrected the error in the Amharic and we are just going to call the sweet watermelon species by 'Citrullus lanatus var. vulgaris' until all this is sorted out. This page should be empty, Citrullus amarus should have the two bitter articles from English and Afrikaans, all of the sweet watermelon articles should be on one page, with only those having 2 articles (English, Scots and Amharic) on a second item, and those having a third article or explicitly about the frit itself on a third item. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2017 (UTC)