Talk:Q43148722
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Fractaler in topic has part(s) (P527)?
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description: matrix whose elements consist only of the numbers −1, 0, or 1
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third (Q39371428) (where third (Q39371428) is -1, 0 or 1) --Fractaler (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
- I don't understand why (0,1,−1)-matrix (Q43148722) has part(s) (P527) third (Q39371428). It consists of zero (Q204), 1 (Q199), −1 (Q310395). Is your concept that every entity that consists of three parts consists of third (Q39371428)? --Bigbossfarin (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
- First, (0,1,−1)-matrix (Q43148722) is triad (Q29430681) (group of three objects, zero (Q204), 1 (Q199), −1 (Q310395))? --Fractaler (talk) 11:35, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
- No. --Infovarius (talk) 13:00, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- triad (Q29430681): group of three objects. (0,1,−1)-matrix (Q43148722) consists of zero (Q204), 1 (Q199), −1 (Q310395)? --Fractaler (talk) 17:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Fractaler: Hi Fractaler, a triad (Q29430681) in math is a set, consisting of three mathematical object (Q246672), like . By definition (0,1,−1)-matrix (Q43148722) is a subclass of Matrix, which is a sublass of mathematical object. Bigbossfarin (talk) 10:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Bigbossfarin: Hi Bigbossfarin, triad (Q29430681) (group of three objects) is group (Q16887380) (summarizes entities with similar characteristics together). Where "in math"? --Fractaler (talk) 10:43, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Fractaler: You mention a good point: neither triad (Q29430681) nor group (Q16887380) is defined for abstract objects. What are "similar characteristics" in math? Thats a philosophic question. In my opinion you need a new item which is related to math objects. What I meant with are unordered n-tuple (Q43851442). Greeting Bigbossfarin (talk) 10:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Bigbossfarin: Why "similar characteristics" in math? We are already outside of mathematics and classify its objects. For example, by member of a group (Q36809769)/group (Q16887380) (classifies not only mathematical, but all other objects).
- unordered n-tuple: so we have a group (Q16887380) with a maximum of 3 member of a group (Q36809769)? Ie, it can have less. Correctly? --Fractaler (talk) 11:40, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- "similar characteristics" is the definition of group (Q16887380), that is why I say it is not suitable for mathematical objects like matrices. (because you can't decide if it consists of similar objects)
- we don't need to be inside of mathematics to classify its objects differentiate from non-mathematical objects
- As a result member of a group (Q36809769) is not suitable for mathematical objects.
- Also group (Q83478) is no group (Q16887380) (but I do not think that's critical)
- I don't think an unordered n-tuple is a group (Q16887380). (because you can't decide if it consists of similar objects) Bigbossfarin (talk) 12:01, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Fractaler: You mention a good point: neither triad (Q29430681) nor group (Q16887380) is defined for abstract objects. What are "similar characteristics" in math? Thats a philosophic question. In my opinion you need a new item which is related to math objects. What I meant with are unordered n-tuple (Q43851442). Greeting Bigbossfarin (talk) 10:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Bigbossfarin: Hi Bigbossfarin, triad (Q29430681) (group of three objects) is group (Q16887380) (summarizes entities with similar characteristics together). Where "in math"? --Fractaler (talk) 10:43, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Fractaler: Hi Fractaler, a triad (Q29430681) in math is a set, consisting of three mathematical object (Q246672), like . By definition (0,1,−1)-matrix (Q43148722) is a subclass of Matrix, which is a sublass of mathematical object. Bigbossfarin (talk) 10:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- triad (Q29430681): group of three objects. (0,1,−1)-matrix (Q43148722) consists of zero (Q204), 1 (Q199), −1 (Q310395)? --Fractaler (talk) 17:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
- No. --Infovarius (talk) 13:00, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Bigbossfarin: 1) then first, matrix (Q44337) is group (Q16887380)? 2) The observer (classifier) is not in mathematics, but outside of mathematics. And that is why observer has the opportunity to find a common between mathematical and non-mathematical objects. 3) What is a mathematical object? 4) group (Q83478): "set with ..." 5) we talked about the (0,1,−1)-matrix (Q43148722). You said: "It consists of zero (Q204), 1 (Q199), −1 (Q310395)". Correctly? --Fractaler (talk) 12:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
