Topic on User talk:Bovlb

Hello Bovlb

Sorry, it's a mystery to me how to reply to your Talk invitation. The link that I got by email leads to somewhere else.

So, what you are doing to me is humiliating and definitely against the new European DSGVO law and the privacy shield between the EU/CH and the USA > https://www.privacyshield.gov/Individuals-in-Europe

Since you obviously can not put yourself in my position as an artist, who, if I may still have a bit of hope, must do everything to ensure that my age is not publicly visible, because otherwise I may no longer have the slightest chance in the very competitive art market that is driven by the youth mania, especially by galleries, museums, curators, etc. (you can be glad that you are not artists).

I have now been able to delete all my age data on various databases in over a year of painstaking work, thanks to the great empathy of all the database operators.

Since you obviously only know one goal, to expose the respective people up to the bare skin, I have no other choice but to file a lawsuit against Wikidata, which I will do now.

This is definitely the saddest online chapter that I have ever experienced in my entire live!

Will you also please forward it to Snackmurat and let me know if you have seen it, it's really confusing, thanks.

Roland    

Thank you for responding. I'm sorry you are having a frustrating time here. I know it can be hard for newcomers to work out how things work here and find their way about the project.

I am truly sympathetic to your privacy concerns, but I am afraid that I still have not seen any clear explanation from you about exactly which information is "false". You are welcome to respond here, and I will do my best to help you, but you may prefer to contact privacy@wikidata.org (see Wikidata:Living_people#Requests_for_the_removal_of_private_information) who will be able to handle the situation less publicly.

One final point: I very strongly recommend against threatening legal action here. It does not encourage people to interact with you or to assist you. In fact, it makes it very likely that you will be blocked from the project and cut off from communication.

Hello Bobvlb

Thanks for your quick reply. Will follow your advice, but I am quite very frustrated as I never in my life had any intention of ever being listed on Wikidata. How is this even possible? On all the databases where I can be found (without age information), I have initiated it by myself.

OK will now contact privacy@wikidata.org

Thanks, R

@Rollart99 Guilty of interfering here for a moment. Does your statement that you initiated the entries in the databases yourself also refer to the GND identifier? If so, would I be interested in how this basically went? That could be important for Wikidata.

Hi Gymnicus I haven't changed any data. Will you please follow the IP address then you can see who has intervened, thank you, R

Hello. Mi name is Matthias Oberli, I'm responsible for the data in the SIKART Dictionnary on Swiss art (www.sikart.ch) from the Swiss Institute for Art Research (SIK-ISEA) in Zurich. The mentionned person asked us to delete his birth-data in our Online-Dctionnary on the follwing url: https:/www.sikart.ch/KuenstlerInnen.aspx?id=4021859. We accepted his will and have deleted in 2018 his birth-date. I would kindly ask wikidata to do the same.

Sincerely

Matthias

Thanks for following up. I have removed the no-unreferenced date of birth from the item. I am still unclear about which information is "false" or private, but hopefully they will reach resolution by contacting the appropriate WMF team directly at privacy@wikidata.org .

@Bovlb: Why are you deleting the date of birth? It is still verified. If you delete the date of birth, you also have to delete all other statements that I have verified with the SIKART ID (P781).

I have not seen any clearly articulated request regarding any other claim.

Hello Bovlb, please calm down, it’s now 9 pm in Switzerland and we will both write to [] thank you, Roland

I can understand a living person saying that they don't want their DOB for security/privacy purposes. But I find it hard to buy into the argument that old people are losing work because of their posted DOB - because if we remove a DOB, it doesn't change the fact that someone had worked since 1974. Are we to think this was a toddler having public showings? Of course not. So, removing a 1953 DOB doesn't change the fact that you have 40+ years of experience.

You are old when you have 40+ years of experience. It doesn't matter if you started when you were 3 or 30. You are old and it is public knowledge.

@Bovlb: That is correct. Here it was only asked to remove the date of birth. But on what basis? As I said, the date of birth is backed up by sources. So a deletion can only take place if the data in the source is incorrect. – Inset: That is clearly not clear from Matthias Oberli's contribution. He says that Mr. Faesser didn't want his date of birth in the database. So I assume that the data is correct. – But if we now assume that the data object was deleted on SIKART (Q683543) due to incorrect data, then we must theoretically also assume that the other data in the identifier are also incorrect. This means that this data would also have to be deleted.

Also worth noting - removing the data is not the same as hiding the data. Removing it allows for it to be re-added. Hiding it (which requires a boss of some sort) means it is there but won't be displayed and can't be re-added.

77.59.128.116: My last response above was not directed at you. It was in reply to Gymnicus, explaining why I only removed the date of birth and not (at this time) any other fields. Sorry for any confusion.

I wanted to clarify one other point for you. I'm just a volunteer administrator here. privacy@wikidata.org is managed by the paid professionals of the WikiMedia Foundation's Privacy Team, and I will not have any visibility into their communications with you unless and until they pass along any special instructions.

Snackmurat/Gymnicus: Date of birth is on our list of properties that may violate privacy. I have no idea whether the DoB we had was false or not, and I cannot even be certain whether any of the accounts and IPs talking to us are actually the subject. It nevertheless seems reasonable under Wikidata:Living people to remove the DoB as requested as a short-term measure while we await more specific guidance from the Privacy Team. We don't need to have a prolonged public debate about exactly what the private information is, why the subject might want it to be treated as private, and whether such desires are either reasonable or achievable.