مانفی

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Request

Hello.

Can you create and upload en:List of earthquakes in Azerbaijan, en:List of volcanoes in Azerbaijan and en:Mountains of Azerbaijan in Farsi Wikipedia?

Yours sincerely, Matricatria (talk) 10:47, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Mixing separate items

You should not mix separate items, as you did on Dardasht Minarets and Soltan Bakht Agha Mausoleum. These are two physically separated structures with different function, and Wikipedias like German and English even have separate articles about them. Other Wikipedias have one article, sometimes about both, but if they're named as "minarets" then they're connected to Q5860112, and if they're named as "mausoleum" then to Q15291088. --Orijentolog (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I live in the city the monument is located in. They are exactly same. Only has two names. I suggested merging for wikis that wrongly made two articles for this beulding. Monfie (talk) 16:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Nope, one is a mausoleum, and other one is an iwan with two minarets which was a part of madrasa which doesn't exist today. Sometimes they're altogether called as Do Menar (Dardasht) Complex, and they're registered under the same number as a heritage site. I'll repeat again, you can NOT mix Wikidata items of different sites. Even if you convince English and German Wikipedias to include two articles into one named as minarets, and Azerbaijani Wikipedia to rename it to minarets, two different Wikidata items will stay. They can never be merged or mixed.

The same situation is with for example Afshar tribe, Afsharid dynasty and Afsharid Empire. Some Wikipedias can merge all three subjects into one article, but Wikidata will never merge them, or mix them as aliases. Article content doesn't matter here, only the name. So if something is named as dynasty, we attach it do dynasty. If it is a country, then to country. The same is with these minarets and mausoleum. The only way to include Persian Wiki article on a separate item is to rename it, otherwise you'll get also reverted in future.

Furthermore, separate Wikidata items may exist even for architectural elements of the very same building. Even for a single tile (dorost, yedune kashi!) if it is a registered museum piece. I can show you examples which I made: Wikidata have Tile Panel in the form of an Architectural Niche, possible part of the mihrab of Abdul Samad Isfahani Shrine, itself part of the Abdul Samad Isfahani Shrine, which is today surrounded by the Jameh Mosque of Natanz. There is also item for destroyed Abdul Samad Isfahani Khanqah, as well as for the minaret and the main dome of mosque. Of course, Persian Wikipedia have all that merged into one article, but as I said, that doesn't mean we'll merge it here. --Orijentolog (talk) 00:24, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

In Persian wiki I moved the article to its original place so the name is the same with English wikis and others. Please do not remove it from inter wikis and continue the discussion there (Persian wiki, discussion of article) if you think it is necessary. Monfie (talk) 12:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Of course I won't revert it now after you renamed the article, in fact I reverted my own edit on mausoleum item. :) That's because only the article name matters, not content, as I explained above (citation: The only way to include Persian Wiki article on a separate item is to rename it). Your intervention on Persian article is actually fine, because article indeed may treat two structures as one site, like Iranarchpedia do.

However, you're still wrong when you claim it's "the same" building. Monar Jonban is a different case, because shaking minarets are located on mausoleum, but Dardasht Minarets are located on nearby iwan which is not a part of mausoleum but of once existed different building (madrasa or mosque). Archnet calls them as an ensemble. Don't get yourself confused by Iranarchpedia, there are many cases when they register two (or more) close structures under the same number, which doesn't mean it's the same building.

I know that because I personally fixed thousands of registered sites on both Wikidata and Commons, with many corrections on Persian Wikipedia. You can see my contributions, always nadorost, nadorost va nadorost. :) --Orijentolog (talk) 05:45, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I still think when minarets and the tomb are in one complex, they need one article only. Regardless of whether minarets are exactly on the tomb or on the gate of the mausoleum. BTW, I think you are right and I won't try to merge items in wikidata. If needed, this topic should be discussed in wikis not here.Monfie (talk) 18:06, 27 August 2022 (UTC)