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Items about Italian politicsEdit

Hi, and welcome on Wikidata.

I found out that you are managing (creating, editing, ...) some items about Italian politics. I checked some of them as the data inserted were wrong (e.g. the ones about executive power in each comune), some of them are maybe useless (e.g. Q50256347, whose Italian and English labels are to be checked ASAP). I will explain the uselessness later as I'm busy.

How can I help you in your work without stalking you and your edits? --★ → Airon 90 12:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Airon90:
Hi Airon90
Many thanks for getting in touch and asking about this. I'm a political researcher with UK-based civic technology charity mySociety, and I'm doing this work as part of the Democractic Commons project - more on that here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_every_politician and here: https://www.mysociety.org/2017/09/05/contributing-to-the-democratic-commons/ . We're absolutely keen to co-create this with other users and will definitely be hoping that a broader community helps create and maintain this data in the future, so it's great to hear from you. Thanks for picking up these issues - we certainly don't want to be entering things incorrectly! And will certainly correct things if that's the case. It would be great if you could explain your observations when you have a moment. Anything "wrong" is obviously of more concern to us than the potentially useless bits, so we can worry about that first, assuming that's more important. We're really pleased to hear from you as we very conscious that collaboration and adjusting our approach based on knowledge of country experts is absolutely vital.
I am a pretty new user to Wikidata so if I'm slow getting back to you, it's because I'm checking things with more expert-colleagues.
Best wishes,
Catrionamaclay (talk) 12:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)Catriona
Hi Catriona,
thank you for your answer! I'm sorry for sending you a message in a hurry. I have time to answer to you but not to read about the project. I will ASAP as long as I'm interested in maintaining data about Italian politics. I'm sure that yours mistakes were just unintended, that's why I wrote you. It's better to solve the problem upstream instead of stalking edits and act :)
The two main errors I saw were:
# uncorrect and inhomogeneous labels in Italian language, i.e. I saw that you created some items with labels like "il consiglio comunale di X", "Il Consiglio di X", "Il Consiglio del Comune di X", "Consiglio comunale di X", "Consiglio municipale di X", and so on. I changed them to "consiglio comunale di X". The same, for "giunta comunale di X". OT: Thank you very much for entering those items! I know that it's not a big problem but Wikidata community is about to approve rules about capitalization of labels. There's nothing about the article at the beginning but I never saw items starting with an article, except for books, albums, and so on.
# more important, see my edits on an item about the executive governing body of the city of Venice: you said that the item is instance of a member of the body itself. I didn't inserted municipal executive (Q4657217) in has part (P527) as I think that there should be an item about executives of every city in Italy.
That's all, by now. If you have any question just write me and I will answer you.
Have a nice day! --★ → Airon 90 16:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

@Airon90:

Hi Airon90,

Thank you for your reply. You're absolutely right on the issue of the municipal executive / municipal executive board - that was me just making a silly mistake. Thank you for picking up on that, and I corrected a couple of others I had done wrong.

A massive thank you also for the work on the labels. I will definitely stick to the useful general guidelines (I hadn't seen those, so thank you). And on the Italian, we know that there is always a risk that we aren't getting it right, but do want to add something in the local language. I'm going to look over your edits to try and learn for the future, and will share any general rules with my colleagues. Please do feel very free to edit these labels, and thank you for your work on that.

Generally, we are really pleased to hear of people who are interested in using Wikidata for representing political systems, and who will have a much better idea than us about language issues and how things really work locally. We really hope the Democratic Commons becomes a collaborative effort with people all around the world to help us make sure Wikidata reflects reality. I hope you have a chance to look at the project pages (but no rush), and let us know if you would like to hear more or get more involved in helping us shape this project.

Best wishes / grazie!

Catriona

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