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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:01, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Madonna - title of Mary

Hello, Montanabw, I have seen Your statement years ago about importance of Mary. Recently en:Madonna (entertainer) has been changed into en:Madonna and en:Madonna into en:Madonna (disambiguation), unfortunetly (I mean the singer currently has en:WP:Primary topic over en:Mary, Mother of Jesus and all other topics put together on ENwiki. Someone was argumenting that Madonna (entertainer) has featured article as "Madonna" on Spanish Wikipedia (despite fact "Madonna" indeed is bit less common name for Mary in art context in Spanish than in English[1] [2]) so I started request requst move to change List of depictions of Virgin and Child into List of Deciptions of Madonna and Child. People were also wrongly argumenting that Madonna (art) is more rightly reffered as The Madonnas or The Madonna, meanwhile opposers thath Madonna is probably the most common name in context art if we would have to choose one common name for Mary in art (see all: en:special:diff/969377073, en:special:diff/1035695103,en:special:diff/502027380, en:special:diff/501977920, en:special:diff/504088271,. By all that mean, what do You think about this at all? To be honest one of my goal is put Mary at list meta:List of articles every Wikipedia should have and new wikiproject on Wikipedia (started few days ago!): en:Wikipedia:Vital people/Level/2 or even en:Wikipedia:Vital people/Level/1. But as long as Madonna has primary topic over Mary, and as long as we have "List of depictions Virgin and Child" rather than List of depictions of Madonna and Child, I belive thi will bevery hard to enforce consensus.

Why title of Mary should be so deeply hidden (not only dropped to under disambig but not used in list), especially when Wikipedia is used on pair with Oxford, MW, what someone acknowlaged at en:Special:Diff/615559673? Could You please help me and keep comment in this discussion? While there is no doubt Virgin Mary is more common name than Madonna in all contexts in English then "V & C is debatable topic, especially when we are talking abut context of depictions (art topic other than music), see: en:special:diff/942427435 (by Johnbod, one of the opposer), check Ctrl+F by interchangeable by diffrent sources or WorldCat [3][4], [5] [6] (As long as en:Madonnas is not redirect to en:Virgins and en:Virgin and Child is redirect to en:Madonna (art) per en:primaryredir WorldCat could be argument by en:WP:primarydetermination against opposers which I did not showed yet because of I still wait for more comments). However, to be honest my strong contigent is that Madonna the singer should not has primary topic and I would support the move back even if V & C would remain (just as Crstiano Ronaldo proved disambig despite fact is not known as Ronaldo but Cristiano). Best regards. Dawid2009 (talk) 18:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the move occurred over a year ago. It is a very good idea to get it moved back, but it's not a battle that I've got the time and energy to fight this round. I suggest you contact one of the others at Wikipedia who has tackled this in the past. Montanabw (talk) 19:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks You for fast reply! Would You have littly time to comment topic about moving List of depictions of Virgin and Child into List of depictions of Madonna and Child in next few days or at least far future? To be honest I have energy to move Madonna back in few net month ( per WP:OtherStuffExist many topics for notoriety gets many pageviews, for example competitive eaters gets more pageviews than Coat of arms of USA, Pizza Domino shadow in google result Dominoes (game), Nirvana (band) shadow in google result religious topic etc.) but before I will do that, I think this is good discuss List of depictions of Virgin and Child, would you support the move if be consensus that both names are perfetly just as "frequently used" per consiccency? (BTW someone said at this discussion that "Chellini Madonna" is example of old-fashioned term for MAry despite facts beats in British Google Ngrams, the singer Madonna [7]) . If You do not feel very familiar/knowable to comment yet, you can wait and put vote later in my request (disagree with me or not). Just my humble question. Hope at least one day we will be in contact whenever on Wiki. Cheers and thanks for reply again. Dawid2009 (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)