Wikidata:Property proposal/Gatehouse Gazetteer place ID

Gatehouse Gazetteer place ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: Gatehouse Gazetteer place ID (P4141) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for the castle sites in the Gatehouse Gazetteer website
Data type	External identifier
Example	Q30758975 → Welshsites/664 Ashley Green Grove Farm (Q32164004) → English%20sites/83
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Formatter URL	http://www.gatehouse-gazetteer.info/$1.html

Motivation

It seems like the import from http://www.gatehouse-gazetteer.info got already started by @Richard Nevell (WMUK): and a lot of items got created without any statements or sources. I looked at two who are also duplicates of existing items. Having this property will allow us to use mix-and-match for this database. ChristianKl (talk) 15:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ChristianKl: Please provide a description, and a link to examples of "the import... got already started ". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear that the property still needs a description before it get's created. If you look at the contributions of Richard Nevell, most of the last 200 hundreds are items that were created this way. ChristianKl (talk) 22:33, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

@Richard Nevell (WMUK): Thanks for adding the description. Do you think there a good reason to limit this property to Welsh sites? ChristianKl (talk) 12:35, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it makes a difference to how the property is implemented, but the website has a separate url structure for depending on whether the location is in England or Wales. So http://www.gatehouse-gazetteer.info/English%20sites/$1.html as opposed to http://www.gatehouse-gazetteer.info/Welshsites/$1.html. http://www.gatehouse-gazetteer.info/$1.html doesn't lead anywhere. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 12:46, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Richard Nevell (WMUK): It's generally useful if a property can be used more broadly. As far as the website address is concernced, this can be fixed by treating "Welshsites/" as part of the url. ChristianKl (talk) 14:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, it makes sense to make the property broad rather than specific to Wales. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 15:19, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the example used, Q30758975, has been deleted, by User:ValterVB with a somewhat unlikely claim "Does not meet the notability policy". The deletion does not appear to have been preceded by any discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I restored the item because it's needed for this discussion. ChristianKl (talk) 10:39, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It has been deleted again. User:ValterVB, this must stop. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note this property is being discussed here. @Richard Nevell (WMUK), Pigsonthewing: could you indicate whether you support this proposal and perhaps we can get it created so Mix n Match can create these items with an external id, and stop the deletions? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm ambivalent. I'm not sure that "Welshsites" should be part of the ID; maybe we need two properties? I'd like to see an example for England, also. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added an additional example for England. ChristianKl (talk) 22:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Would be a useful ID to have, similar to those for the National Heritage List for England. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support This property will provide a link to a lot of useful information. I suggest using Welshsites, English%20sites and Island%20sites in the ID to avoid having three separate properties, which seems unnecessary. Sic19 (talk) 15:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ArthurPSmith: What do you think about the current iteration? Can you create it? ChristianKl (talk) 07:55, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ChristianKl, Pigsonthewing, Richard Nevell (WMUK), Sic19: Done - however, I could not get the English%20sites example to work, no matter how I coded the "%20" - maybe somebody should contact this site to fix their URL handling (to understand the '+' alternative to '%20' which is the default translation). otherwise I think we're going to need separate properties for the "Welsh" and other locations. Or maybe somebody can find a string that actually works with the way our URL formatters work. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]