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Wikidata:Property proposal/legal status

legal statusEdit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done
Descriptionlegal status of an entity
Data typeItem
Example 1One Thousand and One Nights (Q8258)public domain (Q19652) (from Wikidata:Property proposal/copyright status)
Example 2Guernica (Q175036)copyrighted (Q50423863) (from Wikidata:Property proposal/copyright status)
Example 3Richey Edwards (Q436648)death in absentia (Q693726) (since Nov 23, 2008)
Example 4Virtue Party (Q1399162)ban (Q621608) (since Jun 22, 2001) - Note we possibly need a new item "banned"
Example 5Julian Assange (Q360) → under arrest warrant (November 2010 - 19 May 2017; applies to jurisdiction (P1001)=Sweden (Q34))
These following three examples are additional usage of the property, and probably do not meet the final property scope:
Example 6Jundallah (Q1048651)terrorist organization (Q17127659) (applies to jurisdiction (P1001)=United States of America (Q30)) - This may replace designated as terrorist by (P3461), but I don't know whether it is appropriate
Example 7same-sex marriage (Q17422)civil union (Q41075) (applies to jurisdiction (P1001)=Germany (Q183)) - see Wikidata:Property proposal/Same-sex marriage
Example 8acetaminophen (Q57055)General sales list (UK) (Q26715239) (applies to jurisdiction (P1001)=United Kingdom (Q145)) - possibly reuse the current property of legal status (medicine) (P3493)

MotivationEdit

This is a more general property than Wikidata:Property proposal/copyright status. Note I have include many possible usage of this property, but I also think this proposal in current form is a bit vague (probably not all are appropriate to be represented in one property) and needs further discussion. GZWDer (talk) 10:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support In this more general form it actually makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for proposing it! ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:48, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Could it also be used for disputed territories --Sabas88 (talk) 13:03, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  •   Oppose. This is far too broad and ambiguous, and could lead to statements that can't be reliably interpreted. Additionally, many such items would certainly develop too many statements, as every single jurisdiction would need a separate statement in the item. A generic "legal-related has-attribute" is problematic. For some of these issues, I'd favor a more precise (but not unnecessarily specific) property to be used from the item for the law/ruling/executive order/resolution that set the status. For many of the person-related ones, use significant event (P793). "Legal status" is bad modelling. --Yair rand (talk) 03:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment, I'm not sure about this one... I can see the value of a Property that is flexible and can handle edge cases and obscure circumstances that don't really have a precise-definition property. However, that could also make it more confusing and thus create difficulty rather than simplicity. For example, a person could theoretically have several simultaneous 'legal status' statements about all sorts of different things: legal status -> Married; legal status -> Adopted; legal status -> missing presumed dead; legal status -> bankrupt; legal status -> on parole; legal status -> stateless.... Wittylama (talk) 11:11, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
  •   Oppose we already have dedicated properties for some of the uses cases. If other proposals are too broad to be edited efficiently, I doubt this would work out for this one. It seems that the proposer doesn't intend to use it anyways ..
    --- Jura 16:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Strong oppose. As I said on the copyright proposal, this is ludicrously vague. There are so many different things that are referred to as legal statuses; immigration status, status of legislation, marital status, many different tax statuses, customs status, etc. Mr. Guye (talk) 19:11, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
    • We should create properties for many of the examples. Mr. Guye (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
  •   Not done, no consensus for this one − Pintoch (talk) 11:29, 4 December 2018 (UTC)