Wikidata talk:WikiProject UK and Ireland/adm/England

Progress

• make sure major items at region / ceremonial county / county / district level have instance of (P31) statements to identify them as such
  • Done -- though there may be some rogue items in each list
  • Apart from -- part way through creating new items for county council area (Q21272231)   

• sort out the located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) hierarchical statements

• add identifiers

• more statements

Development Corporations

I've started adding information about Urban and Mayoral Development Corporations in England, such as Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation, and plan to give them Urban, New Town and Mayoral subcategories, though I'll depart from the Wikipedia page, and separate England and Wales as MHCLG doesn't cover Wales, and legislation such as this draft SI are often just for England or Wales.

Development Corporations are interesting because amongst things, they can act as local planning authorities, make local plans, and publish brownfield land registers. Psd (talk) 10:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

@Psd: Very welcome. Don't hesitate to put together new subclass structures for DevCos along your proposed lines. We probably need a new item for the geographic area "Old Oak and Park Royal" which is a administrative territorial entity (Q56061) (or subclass thereof) and which can be the object of a applies to jurisdiction (P1001) relationship from Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation (Q20648596), analagous to the way local authorities are mapped to the areas they administer. We can then find things that exist within the Old Oak and Park Royal area and point them to the Territorial Entity using located in the administrative territorial entity (P131). Something like that. There's more to do on defining attributes of DevCos, but fortunately no deadline.

The identifiers you added are especially welcome; neither of these were on my radar, so I learn something new & will investigate more. I'm guessing there's more we need to do to elucidate the scope of DevCos, but again, no deadline. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:35, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon: Thanks so much for your encouragement and help, and nurturing me as a newbie! I'm going to carry on collecting information by editing the Wikipedia pages and adding properties to the organisations here before then considering the structure.

Understood about the GSS code applying to the area rather than the organisation. I'll see if I can work out how to sort that out. I'll also see if I can find the boundaries for OSM. The GLA at least have boundary shapefiles for the London Mayoral ones.

@Tagishsimon: Done with Development Corporations, for now, but I've some other questions and issues below.

National Park Authorities

I've started to add some properties to these legal entities (eg Dartmoor National Park Authority (Q5225646)) as they also act as local planning authorities, publishing local plans and granting planning permission, etc. Feels like they also need subclass structure. Psd (talk) 21:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Need a class structure if there are different types of National Park Authority, in which case make it so. I've added Q5225646#P1001 with a qualifier, and much the same at Q24677296#P194. If I"ve not got my subjects & objects mixed up, this might be the way to convey the scope of the Authority with respect to the Area? --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Norfolk Broads

Broads Authority (Q4972284) is of interest to us as it's a local planning authority. It's listed as a National Park on opendatacommunities with the National Park gss code E26000007, but it isn't strictly a National Park in law and the name is a contentious issue. It probably needs a better category.

We can deprecate the opendatacommunities P31 if it's erroneous, and qualify that with a reason for deprecated rank (P2241) of error in referenced source or sources (Q29998666) or similar, and as you suggest, substitute in a new P31 meaning "local planning authority". --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:48, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

GOV.UK Local Authority Register Codes

The GOV.UK [1] register provides a code for each English Local Authority organisation. There are similar registers for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland listed here. I'll propose a GOV.UK register property to turn the CURIE identifiers into links to the register API, eg local-authority-eng:DAC which can apply to any other register. --Psd (talk) 07:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Good plan. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:56, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Relationship between organisation and its geographic area

I'd like to use wikidata to keep and maintain a link to website for each organisation, but uncertain how to create a relationship between the two items, so have experimented with an of (P642) qualifier on the instance, eg Dacorum Borough Council (Q5207723). Is there a better way of representing the relationship? --Psd (talk) 07:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

of (P642) works very well, but in addition there is applies to jurisdiction (P1001) for the organisation. I'm not quickly seeing an appropriate property by which the area item points to the council item. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

James is, however, seeing such properties [2]: executive body (P208) executive body & legislative body (P194) legislative body - "for a council generally the latter, unless there's a distinct item for its executive" --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I doubt that I've bottomed the nuances of netting all councils & areas in England, but indicatively the state of relations between the two is patchy:

• Council applies to jurisdiction (P1001) relation to Areas: https://w.wiki/B6J
• Areas legislative body (P194) relation to Councils: https://w.wiki/B6K

--Tagishsimon (talk) 01:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Probably need to worry about the instance of (P31) for Adur and Worthing Councils (Q20872044) --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:49, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I've added ~180 council items & interlinked councils and areas using P1001 and P194. Job not yet complete, and will probably need a second run through to get it up to the standard seen in e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21891722#P194 and the preceding two statements - it uses executive body (P208), authority (P797) and legislative body (P194). --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Official website on area, not the council

Unfortunately many of the properties for each council are on the area page. Eg the Dacorum (Q931180) had the official website (P856) and headquarters location (P159), when they should really be on Dacorum Borough Council (Q5207723). I experimented moving the official_website for Dacorum Borough Council (Q5207723), but are there any implications before I set out to make that change to all the other authorities and areas? --Psd (talk) 07:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Agree this should be sorted out as you indicate. I'm not v.familiar with English area/region & council items, but yes, one is an area, the other its administrative entity, and right now it's looking a bit messy. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:45, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Although, thinking on, there's probably no harm & some good in having the same URL on the Area item and the Council item. It is redundant & hence has a maintenance overhead, but it's also convenient and insofar as there should be a 1:1 relation between Area and Council, not messy. We should, though, look hard at all external IDs to work out if they should live on the Area, the Council, or both. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:58, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

So, for instance, would Q5225646#P836 (GSS code (2011) (P836) for Dartmoor National Park Authority (Q5225646) pointing to E26 National Park - Dartmoor National Park) be better sited on Dartmoor National Park (Q24677296)? --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Spreadsheet

This is far from bombproof, but it might furnish some QIds for https://digital-land.github.io/organisation/organisation.csv --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:42, 31 October 2019 (UTC)