Wikidata talk:WikiProject UK and Ireland/monuments/issues

NIEA building ID issues

I wish to discuss some issue around NIEA building ID (P1460) and related properties including its absence from some Wikidata items and some Wikidata items to which it applies not being present at all. This information is both a resource for SparSQL queries to answer for example: Give a list of the Grade B1 listed buildings in County Armagh and also as a source for the Monumental application for Wiki Loves Mounments. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Background

To my best understanding (possibly incorrect) it is the Northern Ireland Department for Communities (NIDfC) responsible NIEA Building ID maintenance. They, like England, Wales, Scotland and the Republic of Ireland use their own Historic Environment Viewer, an esri map-based tool which is backed by a database useful particularly easy for identifying entities by zooming in on a map and clicking extract information. It is seems more difficult to intuitively feed an identifier in and understanding the concept of layers, though the web was able to [fix] the associated Irish Sites and Monuments Record ID (P4057) for the Republic of Ireland, with for Dalkey Castle (Q30970161) clicking its value link DU023-023010- showing how things could/should work. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Case studies and examples

These have been driven by Photographs released by NLI to flickr commons: -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Quintin Castle (Q7272441): NLI on the commons Import to :Commons Wikidata Improvement HB24/01/079 NIDfC db entry (actually a group of listings nearby)
• Portrush railway station (Q3970584): NLI on the commons Import to :Commons Wikidata Improvement NIDfC db entry for HB03/10/003 A
• Milford House County. Armagh: (Complex Case highlighting related issues): NLI on the commons No associated Wikidata item for(Grade B1): despite HB15/14/006 ( MANOR HOUSE SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL MILFORD CO.ARMAGH) NIDfC db entry for HB15/14/006 Google location to see on other map viewrs.

This is complex because there is an ambigously name The "Milford House" back at 3 Victoria Street, Armagh is Monumental and Trustee Savings Bank (Q17861303) exist for 1 Victoria St. Armagh but checking the NIDfC map view for the location (you will need to zoom in and locate) shows a list not only for the museum NIDfC db entry for HB15/17/061 A (Grade B) 3 Victoria Street but a number of other locations nearby also.

Improvements needed

There are a number of improvements that are needed, but it may not be as simple as presented here which might need refinement: --

• A feed and integration of the latest relevant NIEA building ID from the NIDfC to Wikidata (A one-off might need to be repeated) -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Adding building listing grade to Wikidata as seems to be often missing -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Determining appropriate formatter URL (P1630) for curator (P1640), ideally one that will go to the map not just the database entry.
• Creating equivalent template to {{NIAH}} (one may exist that has not been identified here). -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

•  Done The appropriate template is Commons:Template:Listed building Northern Ireland. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 06:27, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oh dear. While Commons:Template:Listed building England seems to lead to Historic England entry Commons:Template:Listed building Northern Ireland seems to love to frequent w:en:Listed building#Northern Ireland Only. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 09:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Should this incorporated into for example Commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox ? -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Fix/Improve Commons:Template:Listed building Northern Ireland so it does more than link to w:en:Listed building#Northern Ireland only. (OK on commons but related to issues here) -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 09:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Adding NIEA building IDs and map data would be a big improvement. An active feed which reflects changes in the NIEA dataset would be ideal, but probably a technical challenge. There may be smart ways of doing that, but the data imports I can think of work from a snapshot of data. Often that's fine, but with something like this there would be periodic updates needed as buildings are added or removed from the list. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Other resources

This is a partial list of other related resources to this matter -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• NIDfC map viewer guide
• ESRI guide
• View this and other nearby images on: OpenStreetMap (From any geo-tagged files on commons)
• Google maps
• Monumental UK, [https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/ireland Monumental Ireland

Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga_(a)^talk 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)