Talk:Q1858833
Latest comment: 1 year ago by MargaretRDonald in topic subgenus as part of name
Autodescription — Clathria spongigartina (Q1858833)
description: species of sponge
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subgenus as part of name edit
@rdmpage: You will note that this item Clathria spongigartina (Q1858833) is also represented as Clathria (Microciona) spongigartina has two WoRMS ids: one where the taxon is named binomially as Clathria spongigartina (408854 ) and the other where the subgenus forms part of the name Clathria (Microciona) spongigartina (167687). I am wondering whether you are happy with how we have chosen to represent this double id....Please look at the WoRMS property and the alias. MargaretRDonald (talk) 08:16, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @MargaretRDonald: I've not thought much about subgenera (they are basically a disaster IMHO). Perhaps one refinement would be to have two values for parent taxon (P171), namely Clathria (Q3454212) and Microciona (Q21441318), with the two different WoRMS links as references. This way in principle one could retrieve either of the two competing classifications (genus versus subgenus). I'm beginning to think that the only way to navigate Wikidata taxonomy is to have references for parent-child links and then use those to extract a classification that matches your preferred authority (e.g., WoRMS, GBIF, etc.). Rdmpage (talk) 16:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @rdmpage: Agreed. Hard enough getting the binomial system right without adding subgenera, tribes, and subfamilies in between. All of which makes the parent taxon in wikidata vary enormously (hopefully to meet up again at some point). One database gives a subgenus as parent, another the genus and so on.... (For a lovely mess in subgenera check out Lasioglossum froggatti (Q2065678)). MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @MargaretRDonald:, the Lasioglossum froggatti (Q2065678) is a mess indeed because they can't both be "froggatti", they are two different species, frogatti Cockerell, 1905 and frogatti Walker 1995. Note that there are two separate items for this name in both Wikispecies and Wikidata Lasioglossum froggatti (Q2065678) and Lasioglossum froggatti Walker, 1995 (Q21358467), so one of the the AFD link needs to be moved. Do you want to do this or should I? Rdmpage (talk) 14:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @rdmpage: I have dealt with this one but there a quite a number of species names in AFD which differ in subgeneric allocation but have the same genus and epithet. They can be seen in the constraints violations at Property talk]Australian Faunal Directory ID (P6039). MargaretRDonald (talk) 06:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @MargaretRDonald:, the Lasioglossum froggatti (Q2065678) is a mess indeed because they can't both be "froggatti", they are two different species, frogatti Cockerell, 1905 and frogatti Walker 1995. Note that there are two separate items for this name in both Wikispecies and Wikidata Lasioglossum froggatti (Q2065678) and Lasioglossum froggatti Walker, 1995 (Q21358467), so one of the the AFD link needs to be moved. Do you want to do this or should I? Rdmpage (talk) 14:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @rdmpage: Agreed. Hard enough getting the binomial system right without adding subgenera, tribes, and subfamilies in between. All of which makes the parent taxon in wikidata vary enormously (hopefully to meet up again at some point). One database gives a subgenus as parent, another the genus and so on.... (For a lovely mess in subgenera check out Lasioglossum froggatti (Q2065678)). MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2022 (UTC)