BD2412
Hello. BD2412 (talk) 01:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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Please stop adding panel painting to materials used edit
Please stop adding "panel painting" to "materials used" in painting items. Thanks. Jane023 (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what else can be done to prevent these links from causing it to appear that there are incoming link errors to the English Wikipedia disambiguation page "Panel". If you can fix that some other way, please do. BD2412 (talk) 19:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
- I see that you changed the parameter to wood. This makes sense, since even in a "panel painting", "panel" is not a kind of material at all. BD2412 (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
A panel is also wood. When the type of wood is unknown, we use panel, and when the dendrochronology is done, we use those conclusions. "A panel painting" is not used by the Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings project in the "material used" statement at all. If you don't like the output of a Wikipedia infobox for whatever reason, either don't use it or just use the suppress function for the statement you want to avoid. Please don't edit items on Wikidata to fit the code of a Wikipedia template - you can better ask for help with the Wikipedia template. Jane023 (talk) 22:33, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
- What is the use of Wikidata if the data it calls is inaccurate for an entire class of characteristics, and this is an unfixable error on the Wikidata side? BD2412 (talk) 22:40, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
- Nothing is unfixable on the Wikipedia side. Wikidata is only necessary on the Wikipedia side for interwikilinks and it is optional on many different levels for other things, such as for infoboxes. This is not going to change any time soon. Your method of working from an "avoidance of disambiguation" is coming from an assumption that English is the only language that might use statements about paintings. I can assure you the French implemented their painting infobox first. You might want to take a look at that. Jane023 (talk) 06:35, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
- Why does Wikidata's call for "Panel" in French fail to correspond to its call for "Panel" in English? I though Wikidata was supposed to collect different names for identical things, not mere homophones. BD2412 (talk) 14:35, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
- Nothing is unfixable on the Wikipedia side. Wikidata is only necessary on the Wikipedia side for interwikilinks and it is optional on many different levels for other things, such as for infoboxes. This is not going to change any time soon. Your method of working from an "avoidance of disambiguation" is coming from an assumption that English is the only language that might use statements about paintings. I can assure you the French implemented their painting infobox first. You might want to take a look at that. Jane023 (talk) 06:35, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I am sorry I don't understand what you mean by "call". Jane023 (talk) 19:04, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
- When the infobox is made on Wikipedia, it creates a link to whatever term is contained in the "material" section on Wikidata. Something on Wikidata has to tell Wikipedia that the link is to "Panel" (which is the wrong page, on Wikipedia). Specifically, adding "Panel" to the Wikidata page is instructing it to call the right page for other languages, but the wrong page for English. Perhaps someone here can figure out why the wrong page is being called. Surely the "material" being used in paintings is not a discussion group of experts (one meaning of "Panel" in English Wikipedia. BD2412 (talk) 21:46, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
- Because Mike Peel is active on both Wikidata and Wikipedia, you may have assumed that the infobox is located on Wikidata. That is not the case. The infobox is located and managed on Wikipedia. It is hard to tell exactly what your point is but I think the problem is that in a certain Q number, the material used statement points to an item for "panel" in a way that is inappropriate? Maybe you can link the item in question and I will take a look. We have lots of items with "panel" as a name. It should be this one: panel (Q1348059). Jane023 (talk) 06:56, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- The links provided for the three languages in panel (Q1348059) are actually very inconsistent - the German article is about ceiling panels (not used for painting) and the Scots-Gaelic article is one line about both panels as construction material and as groups of experts, but not at all about painting - so there is no real benefit to anyone who isn't speaking Dutch to even have this Wikidata item. The entries are inaccurate, and it is not collecting different-language names for the same thing, but similar-sounding names for fairly different things. Only the Dutch Wiki has an article on the concept of the "panel", i.e. the material used in making a panel painting. English Wikipedia does not have a separate article on this topic, but covers it in a section of the article on "Panel painting". There is no way to link to the content in English Wikipedia that is relevant to panels as a painting material, because this is already dedicated to panel painting (Q55439). Incidentally, most languages cover the material under their articles on the kind of painting. BD2412 (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- Because Mike Peel is active on both Wikidata and Wikipedia, you may have assumed that the infobox is located on Wikidata. That is not the case. The infobox is located and managed on Wikipedia. It is hard to tell exactly what your point is but I think the problem is that in a certain Q number, the material used statement points to an item for "panel" in a way that is inappropriate? Maybe you can link the item in question and I will take a look. We have lots of items with "panel" as a name. It should be this one: panel (Q1348059). Jane023 (talk) 06:56, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- Just remarks: gd:Pannal should probably be a disambiguation. In the AAT there are http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300014657 and http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300069079. Perhaps this helps somehow. Thanks you for your efforts with the interwiki conflict! --Marsupium (talk) 16:11, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- Is there a way to make the Wikidata item point to the section of the English Wikipedia article covering this topic? That would resolve the disambiguation issue, and at the same time link the reader to the correct information. Since it is already covered there, it is unlikely that there will ever be a separate English Wikipedia article specifically about this topic. BD2412 (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- This is less a Wikidata thing and more about how en:Template:Infobox artwork/wikidata handles Wikidata. If you look at the source you'll notice a section medium with all sorts of funky logic. This seems to also include something for panel painting. It's a kind of toxic old school template and lua mixture. Debugging that is probably hard, but that's the place to fix it. Multichill (talk) 18:29, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- It is still a problem for Wikidata that the Wikidata item contains links to disparate articles, and that it is unable to link to the English Wikipedia article which happens to contain the correct information for this item. That would still be the case even if there were no infobox issue here at all. BD2412 (talk) 18:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- In your efforts to remedy the situation with the links in the template on enwiki, you have stumbled into a often-cited problem that Wikipedians have with Wikidata, namely this higher "granularity" of information in items vs. articles. This situation will not be solved on Wikidata alone. The Wikipedia side will have to make changes too. The anchor links that are commonly used on Wikipedia (I imagine something like [[painting#panel]] will have to become somehow more stable than they currently are. I don't know how to achieve that, but there is a help page here that explains the issue, also known as the "Bonnie and Clyde problem". There are multiple pages about this (see "What links here" on the item for "Bonnie and Clyde". Jane023 (talk) 19:20, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- It is still a problem for Wikidata that the Wikidata item contains links to disparate articles, and that it is unable to link to the English Wikipedia article which happens to contain the correct information for this item. That would still be the case even if there were no infobox issue here at all. BD2412 (talk) 18:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- This is less a Wikidata thing and more about how en:Template:Infobox artwork/wikidata handles Wikidata. If you look at the source you'll notice a section medium with all sorts of funky logic. This seems to also include something for panel painting. It's a kind of toxic old school template and lua mixture. Debugging that is probably hard, but that's the place to fix it. Multichill (talk) 18:29, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- Is there a way to make the Wikidata item point to the section of the English Wikipedia article covering this topic? That would resolve the disambiguation issue, and at the same time link the reader to the correct information. Since it is already covered there, it is unlikely that there will ever be a separate English Wikipedia article specifically about this topic. BD2412 (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
hi edit
hi am i doing good so far? --Dragu71 (talk) 00:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- I am not really particularly involved in this project. BD2412 (talk) 00:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)