Wikidata:Property proposal/Attributes of saints and other characters

iconographic symbol

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

   Done: iconographic symbol (P4185) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifying element typically depicted as accompanying or worn by this religious figure, hero, fictional or historical character
Represents	Any concrete object (Q4406616) or natural physical object (Q16686022)
Data type	Item
Template parameter	attributes in en:template:Infobox Christian leader
Domain	human (Q5) or fictional character (Q95074)
Example	Peter (Q33923): Keys of Heaven (Q2546006), pallium (Q200691), papal regalia and insignia (Q848405), rooster (Q2216236).
Source	http://www.christianiconography.info/
Planned use	Incorporate in cawiki infobox person {{:ca:template:infotaula persona}}
See also	domain of saint or deity (P2925), which represent the patronage or domain that the saint, character or deity controls or protects Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/53#attributes

Motivation

This is one of the main properties used in person infoboxes. Amadalvarez (talk) 14:54, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Certain religious figures such as saints, martyrs or virgins, but also some other non religious, such as heroes, fictional or historical characters, etc. are accompanied (or wearing) by elements that identify them and are the attributes that often allow to identify the bearing person. (moved from the description) ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:07, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

• . Support--Medol (talk) 16:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
•  Support --ESM (talk) 17:13, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
•  Support--Isidre blanc (talk) 17:32, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Jordi Roqué (talk) 17:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Pacopac --Pacopac (talk) 04:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
•  Support --Castellbo (talk) 05:47, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
• I'm very confused as to what this property is for. Could someone give more specific examples? The proposed label isn't exactly clear. --Yair rand (talk) 06:16, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose to current name/desciption. It's not clear to me what the property is supposed to be about. ChristianKl (talk) 07:52, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

  @Yair rand: Sorry, may be may poor english is part of the problem. I changed the description to give it an specific title, before the extended description. It's related with iconography, specially common -but not only- in Christianity (Q5043). The saints and martyrs, but also the deity (Q178885) are depicting wearing or accompanied by some elements that become the symbols that, de facto, represent them. Look at the example of Peter (Q33923) in en:Saint Peter. He has a heaven key on his hands, as he was the first apostle and first pope and represents the heaven on the earth. Thanks,, --Amadalvarez (talk) 22:04, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

•  Support — Ayack (talk) 16:15, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
•  Comment how about changing the label on the property itself to "iconographic symbol" (from the description) and abbreviating the description a little given that name? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:30, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• I've made this change, @ChristianKl: is this better? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:07, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• I have no objections to the new name, but I lack the domain knowledge to tell whether it's the best for the job. ChristianKl (talk) 20:55, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• @Yair rand: you had the same concern - is the new label and description clear? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• Yes, the new label and description are sufficiently clear. --Yair rand (talk) 00:54, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

• @Amadalvarez: I should check that you also approve of this (English) label and description? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:11, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• @Yair rand, ArthurPSmith, ChristianKl: Yes. It's correct to me. I change the catalan description in the same way. Thanks for helping. --Amadalvarez (talk) 20:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• @Amadalvarez, ArthurPSmith, Yair rand, Ayack, ESM, Pacopac:  Done Created as iconographic symbol (P4185). ChristianKl (talk) 12:08, 29 August 2017 (UTC)