Wikidata:Property proposal/Billed height

billed height edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Not done

Description	Claimed (stage), not real height (for real use P2048)
Represents	professional wrestler (Q13474373), martial artist (Q11124885), actor (Q33999) etc
Data type	Quantity
Template parameter	en:Template:Infobox professional wrestler: height; it:Template:Infobox wrestler: Altezza dichiarata; ru:Template:Рестлер: Объявляемый рост
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	0<272 cm
Allowed units	millimetre (Q174789), centimetre (Q174728), metre (Q11573), inch (Q218593), foot (Q3710)
Example 1	Hulk Hogan (Q44176) → 204 cm
Example 2	The Undertaker (Q44304) → 6 ft 10 in
Example 3	Dwayne Johnson (Q10738) → 1.93 m
Number of IDs in source	4200
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
See also	height (P2048)

Motivation

In wrestling and some other stage competitions, participants often use not only fictitious names, but also fictitious height, weight and place of residence. Using existing properties is incorrect, as they may differ significantly. evs 💬 22:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Why not just split the character into a separate item from the actor, and use the regular properties? --Yair rand (talk) 00:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They are not characters but real persons with some fictitious characteristics, just like pseudonym (P742). Separate them into different articles is incorrect and contrary with existing practice, articles and templates. —evs 💬 03:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not suggesting having separate articles, I'm saying there should be separate Wikidata items. Given an entire fictional backstory and characteristics, I think that these are certainly as much characters as, say, Stephen Colbert (Q4827730). --Yair rand (talk) 03:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know how in this case the Infoboxes will work: they should display in one article both real name of person and their real parameters, and those that are reported on TV shows, to make readers feel the difference. Linking the same article to different Wikidata items is impossible, as far as I know. —evs 💬 04:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Haseo596 (talk) 03:30, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I completely agree with Yair rand here, this should be regular properties on a fictitious character, just as we have for any other invented personality. As to the infobox issue, if there's a technical problem, it should be solved at that level, not by adding redundant properties here. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1) They are not fictional characters. 2) There is no possibility to link more than one items to one article page, by design. evs 💬 18:45, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Infoboxes can use data from items other than the one linked to the article. --Yair rand (talk) 19:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show some examples where that is fully implemented? Usage of #statements or #property does not assume such. evs 💬 15:32, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Harmonia Amanda: you have some experience writing infoboxes right, this can be done? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You totally can. Most infoboxes that I know have a "wikidata = " parameter where you enter the Qid you want to be shown. It's mostly used so you can have the complete infobox of the article you want when working on your sandbox, but there is absolutely no reason the same system couldn't be used to show several items content. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 06:16, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And how can I get that QID? How the "fictional" page can be linked? evs 💬 16:03, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, another solution would be to use the same properties on the wrestler page, add the fictional values and use the qualifiers applies to part (P518), sourcing circumstances (P1480)... The infoboxes should also be able to filter according to the qualifiers. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2018 (UTC)--Harmonia Amanda (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In that cases infoboxes mostly will show both parameters because there is no any filters active now. And the real parameters does not require a qualifier. evs 💬 16:03, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose if intended use is on real people. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 18:21, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; there's nothing wrong with treating wrestling personae as fictional characters in Wikidata (although I anticipate issues with Wikidata infoboxes if the people items aren't linked to the character items). Jc86035 (talk) 09:57, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, consensus against creation − Pintoch (talk) 11:20, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]