Wikidata:Property proposal/Chilean National Monuments ID

Chilean National Monuments ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Not done

Description	The id number is from an older (and offline) website from the Consejo Nacional de Monumentos.
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	`\|id=` in w:es:Plantilla:MonumentoChile
Domain	Items where heritage designation (P1435) is a subclass of national monument of Chile (Q6974386)
Allowed values	integer
Example	Castle of the Pure and Clean Conception of Monfort de Lemus (Q18809829) → 170
Planned use	Migrating Wiki Loves Monuments to Wikidata

Motivation

There is not external links for this because the source website is now offline, but is still useful because this information is used in old documentation. NomadDiego (talk) 19:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

@Superzerocool: saw that you made the original mapping so you might be interested in this. /207.134.107.253 02:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I see the new changes in the mapping and I like it (I must admit that I worked a few hours with the mapping in Esino Lario due jetlag). The old number isn't a legal number, so it can't be used in Wikidata because there is a lack of support of the original source, and the older website of monumentos.cl was deleted, so there is no formal usage outside Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects. A workaround could be the link with leychile.cl website with the decree internal number (ie). Just an idea. Superzerocool (talk) 13:50, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Superzerocool:Did the number use to be an official number but it has now been abandoned or was it never official to start with? /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 18:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(As an aside) for Q16489745 there is 2077 (id used on Wikipedia), 27184 (id on monumentos.cl), 288451 (id norma) and "D. 36" the official decision (could there be more than one monument per decision?) /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 18:56, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@André Costa (WMSE): as far I can remember, the old number was an autoincrementable number from some database that the National Monuments Council (CMN in Spanish) gave us (to WMCL) to make our first Wiki Loves Monuments (2012). The number was the key field to make the link between Wikipedia and their page, but the old CMS has been replaced in 2015 and the URL has been modified. So, we don't have the official number: the CMN doesn't show -or use- a unique identifier (internal or external) to make the replace in Wikipedia. I suggest the number in leychile, because the law/decree ar in the National Congress Library and they use a lot of semantic and these stuff -I remember that they have an endpoint-. Superzerocool (talk) 21:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Superzerocool, NomadDiego: Ok. Then I suggest we abandon this proposal and use the old number with Wiki Loves Monuments ID (P2186) (maybe with a CL prefix). That way identifiers used today on Commons and in the lists still work.

For the law/decree we should probably use legal citation of this text (P1031) (as a qualifier on heritage designation (P1435)) and we can then figure out if we want to also add the url or create a property for the leyChile/NormaId. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 22:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@NomadDiego: Please make the example link.Thank you ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 11:21, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, André Costa (WMSE), Superzerocool, NomadDiego: Not done given that no formatter URL is provided and there's no voiced objection to André Costa's suggestion to abandon the proposal. ChristianKl (talk) 13:02, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]