Wikidata:Property proposal/Column

Column(s)

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Done: column (P3903) (Talk and documentation)

Description	analog to page(s) (P304) and section, verse, paragraph, or clause (P958) a possibility to provide correct references, in this case for the column number.
Represents	column (Q2306599)
Data type	String
Domain	sources
Example	Samaria ware (Q2216795) - da hätte ich eben gerne den Neuen-Pauly-Beleg eingetragen - nicht sauber möglich
Source	https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaltensatz
Planned use	ich vermisse das seit langer Zeit, wenn ich etwa Lexika wie Der Neue Pauly als Literaturbelege eintragen will
See also	Property:P304, Property:P958

Motivation

Vor allem in Lexika, aber auch in anderer Literatur, ist der Aufbau des Werkes nicht nach Seiten, sondern nach Spalten. Diese können zwei, drei oder sogar mehr pro Seite aufweisen. Seitenangaben gibt es dann im Allgemeinen nicht. Nach aktueller Sachlage kann man das nicht eintragen womit ein Gutteil der wissenschaftlichen Literatur hier nicht oder nicht korrekt als Nachweis nutzbar ist. Da manchmal Seiten und Spalten geführt werden, wäre es aber falsch, auf die Seiten-Property als gemeinsame Property zu verweisen.

Ich fülle nichts weiter aus, denn ganz ehrlich, ich habe nicht den Anflug einer Ahnung, was sich die Ersteller dieses Formulars gedacht haben. Ohne Wikidata-Studium ist das ja nicht nutzbar. Wer soll das verstehen? Marcus Cyron (talk) 14:07, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support necessary for works which don't have page numbers but column numbers. --Pasleim (talk) 18:21, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
•  Comment the example is not giving what the value would be for the suggested item, please fix it. You've asked for a string datatype, but I assume in most cases the value would be a number? ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I have added the string datatype for the same reason as page(s) (P304) and section, verse, paragraph, or clause (P958) have string datatype: some works could have column numbers I, II, III, etc. or somebody wants to add a source like: column 69-70. --Pasleim (talk) 10:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
• Comment: See also |column= in en:Template:Cite newspaper The Times. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
• Does this proposal look alright? ChristianKl (talk) 10:04, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
• Comment: On w:en, some of the Cite templates take the parameter "at", which is a text field used for localization within a source. These may be compound, ex: |at=p. 3, col. 2 or |at=p. 12, para. 4 Other examples: page (p.) or pages (pp.); section (sec.), column (col.), paragraph (para.); track; hours, minutes and seconds; act, scene, canto, book, part, folio, stanza, back cover, liner notes, indicia, colophon, dust jacket, verse. The "at" parameter in those templates is overridden by use of the "page" or "pages" parameters. LeadSongDog (talk) 16:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I've also seen Illustration, Lot Number (for an auction catalog). Maybe we need a generic Locator property and use a qualifier to show the kind of location? --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 08:30, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
    • I wouldn't mind a more generic property, so long as it could be qualified with 'column' 'paragraph', or whatever; but without that it's not structured data. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:33, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
•  Comment @Marcus Cyron: Are columns often numbered? Is there a standard numbering? Kindly provide more examples, please do it in English, and give the source so we can check. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 08:21, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
• @Pasleim: "works which don't have page numbers but column numbers": can you give some examples? --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 08:21, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
  • for example Paulys Realenzyklopädie der klassischen Altertumswissenschaft (Q1138524).

    

    . --Pasleim (talk) 21:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
•  Support (belatedly). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:30, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

 Done @Marcus Cyron, Pasleim, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing, ChristianKl: @LeadSongDog, Vladimir Alexiev:--Micru (talk) 11:49, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :) Marcus Cyron (talk) 15:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)