Wikidata:Property proposal/INEP ID

INEP ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: INEP ID (P11704) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for each Brazilian educational institution
Data type	String
Domain	educational institution (Q2385804)
Allowed values	^\d{8}$
Example 1	Colégio Visconde de Porto Seguro (Q870669) → 35105648
Example 2	Colégio Dante Alighieri (Q17126291) → 35103524
Example 3	Q2056286 → 43107494
Source	https://www.gov.br/inep/pt-br/acesso-a-informacao/dados-abertos/microdados/censo-escolar
Planned use	add ID to all items of Brazilian educational institution
Number of IDs in source	Currently, 224649
Formatter URL	https://inepdata.inep.gov.br/analytics/saw.dll?Dashboard&NQUser=inepdata&NQPassword=Inep2014&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FCenso%20da%20Educação%20Básica%2F_portal%2FCatálogo%20de%20Escolas&Page=Detalhamento%20Escola&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22F%20-%20Catalogo%20Escola%22.%22Código%20Entidade%22&P3=%22$1%22
Country	Brazil (Q155)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation

The Instituto Nacional de Estudos e Pesquisas Educacionais Anísio Teixeira (INEP) is an important government institution connected to the Brazilian Ministry of Education. The ID will be added in batch at the initiative of Wikimovimento Brasil. LBelo (WMB) (talk) 18:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support this seems like it would be useful. I guess there's no formatter URL that would link each id to information about that particular school? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hi, @ArthurPSmith: I also proposed the CulturaEduca ID property and it returns a url based on the INEP ID LBelo (WMB) (talk) 01:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@LBelo (WMB): But if "CulturaEduca ID" is always the same as "INEP ID" then it should be a single property, not two properties, I would think? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ArthurPSmith: I've seen some cases where different properties have the same ID, for example P227 & P7902. I believe this would not be a problem, as they are different databases that have a common ID, this is useful in maintaining the data. LBelo (WMB) (talk) 20:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@LBelo (WMB): Well P7902 was created only after considerable discussion (proposal page but see previous proposals linked from there) which claimed that it was not actually identical to P227, though in most cases would be the same. This doesn't seem to be the same situation, or is it? I don't see the purpose of having two properties here, particularly when there is no formatter URL for one of them. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ArthurPSmith, Yirba: I agree, so in this case could CulturaEduca be added as a third-party formatter for the INEP ID property? LBelo (WMB) (talk) 20:50, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ArthurPSmith, Yirba: The proposal to create the CulturaEduca ID property will not be accepted. I believe that with this we can end this discussion. LBelo (WMB) (talk) 21:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think that for the formatter we could use the rather lengthy:

https://inepdata.inep.gov.br/analytics/saw.dll?Dashboard&NQUser=inepdata&NQPassword=Inep2014&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FCenso%20da%20Educação%20Básica%2F_portal%2FCatálogo%20de%20Escolas&Page=Detalhamento%20Escola&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22F%20-%20Catalogo%20Escola%22.%22Código%20Entidade%22&P3=%22$1%22

This is using the Oracle BI dashboard linked to from the INEP website. Example: https://inepdata.inep.gov.br/analytics/saw.dll?Dashboard&NQUser=inepdata&NQPassword=Inep2014&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FCenso%20da%20Educação%20Básica%2F_portal%2FCatálogo%20de%20Escolas&Page=Detalhamento%20Escola&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22F%20-%20Catalogo%20Escola%22.%22Código%20Entidade%22&P3=%2235105648%22 --Yirba (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yirba:Yes, I believe that this URL could be used as a formatter. I have updated the examples and formatter URL. LBelo (WMB) (talk) 20:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support This seems to be a useful identifier. And it will probably be used many many times, because Brazil is really huge. Sintegrity (talk)

Support Useful for structuring information from Brazilian institutions. Many of these institutions have already been brought to Wikidata. --Joalpe (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Joalpe, Yirba, ArthurPSmith, Sintegrity, LBelo (WMB): Created as INEP ID (P11704). It was created as a String property, as outlined, but maybe it should have been a external ID. Not sure how to change it post-hoc. ~~~~