Wikidata:Property proposal/Liderança

Religious leadership edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Not done

Description	leader for a religious organization
Represents	religious leader (Q15995642)
Data type	Item
Allowed values	instances of human (Q5)
Example 1	A Casa dos Caboclos (Q104419272) → Jandira Maria Santos e Santos
Example 2	Aba Funjá (Q104419273) → Eurivaldina Pereira
Example 3	Abaça Amazi (Q104419274) → Aida Almeida Costa
Planned use	I'm currently working on uploading over 1.1k items regarding Candomblé terreiros (temples) in Bahia, Brazil. If this proposal is accepted, I'll add this property to all of them.
See also	Wikidata:Property proposal/Regente, Wikidata:Property proposal/Nação_(candomblé)

Motivation edit

A candomblé terreiro's (temple) leader is it's religious leader. This property will allow us to enunciate who is the person responsible for leading a terreiro, which is an essential part of describing a terreiro's structure.

Discussion edit

Oppose string is not suitable for storing a person. Creating items about the individual people is the better approach and we already have plenty of leadership properties that can be used. If none of the existing one's are suitable, please explain why they aren't. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 23:16, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree that string is not ideal. What other property could be used to express this relationship? NMaia (talk) 03:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- director / manager (P1037) does fullfil the requirements. If there are more specific requirements those should be expressed. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @ChristianKl, NMaia: Thank you for the input! We don't have any information whatsoever on these people other than their name. Is creating individual items still the best approach in such cases? I've tweaked the proposal so that it's more clear (apologies for that) and also has a broader scope. It's meant to differ from director / manager (P1037) in that it applies to people who act as religious leaders. VStocco (WMB) (talk) 17:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yes, individual items are still the best approach. Just because you don't know anything more then their names doesn't mean that other people won't add more information to the items of the people. Wikidata is not about adding an isolated data set but a place where different items can get connected. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - If I understand right then Candomblé terreiro (Q3208559) is something like a temple. Does it have a spiritual leader that's separate from the worldly leader? If so I can see how a new property makes sense. If it just has one leader I don't see why the property should be more specific. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - I have switched the data type to item. And, yes, precisely! Candomblé terreiro (Q3208559) is a place of worship for the Camdomblé religion. Liderança / leader is how they refer to their priests. This leader is responsible for both religious and secular activities. It would seem improper to have a church's head priest listed as the location's manager. It comes across as a fully worldly activity -- it would give users the wrong impression. Likewise, a user accessing Abaça Amazi (Q104419274) and seeing "Aida Almeida Costa" as it's director / manager (P1037) would very likely assume that Aida is the one responsible for managing the day-to-day aspects of the location itself, and not the religious rites held at that place. VStocco (WMB) (talk) 11:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can the distinction between secular and religious leadership be handled with a qualifier, maybe something like scope=religious? JesseW (talk) 13:59, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Mas o rótulo deveria ser "liderança religiosa", para não confundir e ser usado em relação a situações de lideranças em outros campos. --Luan (talk) 03:24, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@VStocco (WMB), ChristianKl, NMaia, JesseW, Luan: Not done: There is no consensus to create a property after a year of silence. —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 05:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]