Wikidata:Property proposal/Research Resource Identifier

Research Resource Identifier edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: Research Resource Identifier (P9712) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier
Represents	Research Resource Identifier (Q107278278)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	RRID:SCR_\d{6}
Example 1	Author Disambiguator (Q76693569) → RRID:SCR_021247
Example 2	Clinical Trials Wiki Loader (Q107068605) → RRID:SCR_021296
Example 3	ClinWiki (Q96777166) → RRID:SCR_021297
Example 4	Mix'n'match (Q28054658) → RRID:SCR_021302
Example 5	VanderBot (Q107014192) → RRID:SCR_021298
Example 6	QuickStatements (Q20084080) → RRID:SCR_021300
Example 7	Scholia (Q45340488) → RRID:SCR_021248
Example 8	TABernacle (Q26882268) → RRID:SCR_021299
Example 9	Wikidata (Q2013) → RRID:SCR_018492
Example 10	Wikidata Query Service (Q20950365) → RRID:SCR_021301
Example 11	GM03745 (Q54838214) → RRID:CVCL_1H60
Example 12	HEK293T (Q27546876) → RRID:CVCL_0063
Planned use	no planned Wikidata use; plan is to advance conversation about identifier exchange with RRID issuer SciCrunch (Q23876293)
Number of IDs in source	unsure, probably 100,000+?
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://scicrunch.org/resolver/$1

Motivation edit

This identifier marks the tools which researchers mention in publication.

The article RRIDs: How did we get here and where are we going? (Q107278383) reports that 200 academic journals request these. That means that these identifiers could eventually mesh with the Wikicite project, such that when we have entries for academic journals, we can connect that to data about the tools they describe using.

Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support, but half of the examples strangely have 404 errors. Could you check? --Epìdosis 10:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC) P.S. Maybe the ID can be only the final 6-digits number. --Epìdosis 10:11, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Shooke (talk) 13:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support I am in favour, but can you comment on the 404 errors in your examples? I added some examples beyond software tools (2 cell lines). --Hannes Röst (talk) 21:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I highly doubt that "200 journals request these", the publication states "The number of journals publishing papers with RRIDs now tops 200, although these are mostly publishing RRIDs in small volumes and often without encouragement to their authors. " this means that some articles in these journals have them but that is very far from requesting them. I am not saying that this is a bad idea, but they are not as widely used as stated in the motivation. --Hannes Röst (talk) 00:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strangely I found that an alternative URL that works is https://scicrunch.org/browse/resources/$1 which does seem to work for the software examples that fail to resolve, but it does not work for the cell lines:

any idea what is going on? --Hannes Röst (talk)

@Hannes Röst:

yes, the amount of usage is unknown You are correct, I miscommunicated above. 200 journals are not recommending this, and instead authors themselves choose to use these identifiers in 200 journals.
404 errors should resolve in a week I registered these RRID items and then immediately started this Wikidata property proposal without posting it live. Someone else posted it live, and thanks for that, but I should have kept this in a draft space until the registration begins resolving without error. I contacted the org and they told me that they take up to a week to set up registered identifiers.

Other issue - RRID identifiers may begin with any letters, not just "SCR". The starting letters refer to items of a class.

This is the information that I have for now. Please excuse this proposal being early and less developed, but thanks for reviewing it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:44, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great thanks a lot Bluerasberry. Another question, what do you mean with "no planned Wikidata use;" can you comment on that? Maybe I am misunderstanding this, but I assume you want to use them for something wikidata, eg for adding the identifiers to Q items? Or maybe import them from SciCrunch? It seems some backlinks are already there in the "Alternate IDs" or were these just the ones you added? Otherwise what is the point of creating the property? --Hannes Röst (talk) 16:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hannes Röst: Yes, I would like to import RRID identifiers to Wikidata, but right now I cannot say what use that would have. The RRID system is in development itself and right now it would be difficult to use it as a channel for bringing additional insights into Wikidata. In the longer term, if there were RRIDs in an academic paper which Wikicite / Wikidata indexes, then we would have a path to go from academic paper -> RRID -> Wikidata item for the research tool -> tagging the Wikidata item for the paper as a project which used the tool for which we have the Wikidata item. In the short term I can pilot this with a few cases, 100 at most, but I would not be able to sort this at scale anytime in the foreseeable future. If Scicrunch themselves sorted this, then Wikidata could import their data on paper / RRID connections, but I do not think they have that at this time. This proposal would lead to pilots and discussion right now, and I nothing is certain beyond that. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:18, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

that sounds good, that is what I figured to have eventually a semi-automated way to sync the identifiers and hopefully add Wikidata Q-items to the RRID system? --Hannes Röst (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hannes Röst: Yes, that is the longer term idea. I do not have a plan for it. I think that experimenting with the Wikidata connection will facilitate the future collaboration and information exchange. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bluerasberry, Epìdosis, Shooke, Hannes Röst:

Done Research Resource Identifier (P9712) Pamputt (talk) 15:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]