Wikidata:Property proposal/rhyme
rhyme edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes
Not done
| Description | rhyme of a word |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | form |
| Example 1 | hard (L4118) → <New item of wikt:Rhymes:English/ɑː(ɹ)d> |
| Example 2 | card (L532) → <Same item of wikt:Rhymes:English/ɑː(ɹ)d> |
| Example 3 | MISSING |
| Source | Wiktionary |
Motivation
Note "rhymes with" can be queried by forms with same rhymes. GZWDer (talk) 13:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Discussion
Comment I do think if we are to have a rhyming property, something like this would be the way to do it. The property label should perhaps be "word ending" rather than "rhyme" which seems rather ambiguous. However, this is something computable from the IPA transcription - this was discussed in this earlier proposal. @JakobVoss, VIGNERON: your thoughts on this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:54, 16 July 2018 (UTC)- Comment I must say the idea to have an item is elegant. But I'm more leaning toward
Oppose right now, I see three reasons: first, lexemes don't rhymes, only forms do (on the example "harder" doesn't rhyme with "card", the example should be L4118-F1 and L532-F1); then, forms can have very different pronunciations (see en:wikt:card#Pronunciation), one could want to take this variation into account; and finally why not just use a query? (except if query times out, but we will have to wait for queries to know that I guess). I think we need more discussions on this subject. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 15:09, 16 July 2018 (UTC) - Comment For a lot of words, rhymes are dialect-dependent; those in the works of Burns and Tennyson may not hold for Angelenos. I don't recall seeing much modeling in terms of dialectal variation within a given language, but this property's creation should be put on hold pending such modeling. Mahir256 (talk) 15:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yes the domain is form, not lexeme. For "computable from the IPA transcription" I don't think there's a universal rule for all languages. For dialect it can be handled by qualifier.--GZWDer (talk) 17:17, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Support. Wiktionary uses categories for the same. Maybe we could use that too?
--- Jura 13:50, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Not done No consensus.--Micru (talk) 09:48, 22 December 2018 (UTC)