Wikidata:Property proposal/theorised by

theorised by edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Done: theorised by (P8403) (Talk and documentation)

Description	subject who suggested or proposed this concept or invention
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"theorised" in en:template:Infobox particle
Domain	science, medicine
Example 1	Higgs boson (Q402)→Peter Higgs (Q192112)
Example 2	Crocodylus halli (Q68594258)→Philip M. Hall (Q96634085)
Example 3	electron (Q2225)→Richard Laming (Q899742)
Example 4	electron (Q2225)→George Johnstone Stoney (Q734412)
Example 5	positron (Q3229)→Paul Dirac (Q47480)
Example 6	erythema infectiosum (Q753654)→Robert Willan (Q1488086)
Planned use	for every concept that had a different person or group propose it than those who later confirmed its existence

Motivation edit

It would be very useful in combination with a date qualifier to be able to illustrate that some concepts are described before they are confirmed through experimentation or discovery, and that this work is often done by different people or groups. This is a key part of how science and medicine function and my work with historians of science and medicine, museums and educators indicates that such a property would be greatly valued for the creation of timelines and for illustrating the different networks involved in research. Zeromonk (talk) 08:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support: very helpful, thanks. --John Cummings (talk) 10:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Lirazelf (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is no theory (Q17737) involved in examples 2 and 6. Please check this --Succu (talk) 15:33, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good point @Succu:! I've removed it from the proposal to make it more widely useful. Zeromonk (talk) 11:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but both examples don't make any sense to me. Your description of the property is somewhat wage. For "invention" we have discoverer or inventor (P61). --Succu (talk) 18:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Succu: I've refined the description further to remove invention - as you say, the examples this most clearly applies to are things like new species, new particles, new diseases - which people can theorise exist long before it is possible to prove through experimentation or discovery that they do actually exist. Thanks for helping to refine this proposal to make it more specific and useful. Zeromonk (talk) 12:41, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zeromonk: The examples here are the same as they were right at the start, did you actually intend to remove or alter some of the examples? Can you confirm the examples are all along the lines of what your description etc. currently argues for? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ArthurPSmith: thanks for asking - the examples were what I was thinking of, my initial description was wooly though and did not clearly reflect the examples but with Succu's advice I have amended it to be clearer. Please do share other recommendations if you have any! Zeromonk (talk) 07:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

@Zeromonk, John Cummings, Lirazelf, Pigsonthewing, Succu, ArthurPSmith: @Nomen ad hoc: theorised by (P8403) has been created. Pamputt (talk) 13:20, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]