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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

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WDPA categoryEdit

I see that you proposed the creation of the UICN protected area category and de WDPA ID. These two properties are already created by WDPA ID (P809) and IUCN protected areas category (P814). --Fralambert (talk) 01:39, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Fralambert: thanks very much, I'll withdraw the proposals. John Cummings (talk) 08:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Add a link to discussion navigation?Edit

Hey :)

Want to add a link to the partnership chat to Template:Discussion navigation? And add it to the header like on Project chat? That could give it some more exposure. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 09:41, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE):, I'd love to but I can't work out the template, do you know how to do it? --John Cummings (talk) 13:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
It seems this is the right place to edit it: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Discussion_navigation/text&action=edit --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:57, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE):, great, thanks, before I press save, do you think the name is OK? Annoyingly it is too long to fit on 2 lines so makes all the others have a weird space underneath. Partnerships and imports fits on two lines but is 'imports' a bit vague? John Cummings (talk) 16:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
I'd say be bold and use imports and see if anyone comes up with something better ;-) I don't have a better short word atm either unfortunately. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 16:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE):, I've saved it but doesn't seem to have changed the links on project chat....any ideas? John Cummings (talk) 16:33, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE):, well I don't know what the issue was but it seems to be fixed now :) --John Cummings (talk) 10:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
It might need a purge or even translation admin to approve the new version. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 16:45, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Unseco heritage Africa #list=148Edit

Hi, i added w:Ambohimanga on swwiki; and I think you may have overlooked w:Kilwa Kisiwani in swwiki, but also other languages. Cheers Kipala (talk) 08:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much @Kipala:, yes I think there are are probably some missing across other languages as well that aren't linked to their Wikidata items, I don't really know how to check, any ideas? John Cummings (talk) 09:37, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Pipe in descriptionsEdit

Hi John Cummings,

A comma might be more suitable for descriptions than a pipe ("|"), e.g. at Q22806719. I'm not sure if "Biosphere" should have a caps or not. If it's a designation, probably yes.
--- Jura 14:28, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1: yes I think you are right, its there any way to change them en mass? They were all imported through Mix n' Match so I may have made a mistake in the spreadsheet and got pipes no commas. John Cummings (talk) 14:47, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
With QuickStatements ("Den") or by bot.
--- Jura 14:53, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

PywikibotEdit

Hey! I am planning to follow up with all the participants of the Pywikibot Training session. I will add the part about the new PAWS interface sometime this week (https://paws.wmflabs.org/paws/hub/login). Can you try to go through the (Wikidata:Pywikibot - Python 3 Tutorial) tutorial (minus the installation part, use PAWS) and maybe comment on your learning experience? You can also start a discussion about what data you want to import and what the difficulties are. I am sure you will be a very competent bot operator soon! --Tobias1984 (talk) 10:59, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Waddensea Area UNESCO biosphere reserveEdit

Hi John,

We have one UNESCO Biosphere reserve in the Netherlands: The Waddensea Area.
I tried to link Q22678672 to the English wikipedia article: w:en:Wadden Sea, but that does not work. The message I get is that I have to "merge". But I don't know how to do that. Can you please help? Thank you. --Dick Bos (talk) 09:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Dick Bos (talkcontribslogs), which one you want to merge with? A--> B? MechQuester (talk) 04:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Dick Bos (talkcontribslogs) and MechQuester (talkcontribslogs), I've merged the items, I think I may have merged them the wrong way round (don't know if that matters?). --John Cummings (talk) 09:10, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Dont think it matters that much as long as the redirect points it to the content. MechQuester (talk) 13:16, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks MechQuester (talkcontribslogs), that's what I thought, I wasn't sure if there was a rule written somewhere about merging to the oldest item, but I couldn't find anything. --John Cummings (talk) 14:01, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Unused propertyEdit

This is a kind reminder that the following property was created more than six months ago: number of out-of-school children (P2573). As of today, this property is used on less than five items. As the proposer of this property you probably want to change the unfortunate situation by adding a few statements to items. --Pasleim (talk) 19:16, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Almost empty itemsEdit

Hey John Cummings, you have recently created a bunch of new items which seem to be useful for something. However, many of them neither have statements nor sitelinks which makes it difficult to use them properly. Could you please add at least some basic claims to them? You can find a list of affected items (55 right now) in this Petscan query. Thanks and regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 07:30, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi MisterSynergy (talkcontribslogs), yes, they're from a Mix n' Match catalogue that I'm currently working through for UNESCO lists of Intangible Cultural Heritage and the Register of good safeguarding practices. Once all the items have been matched the data for the items will be added.
Thanks
--John Cummings (talk) 15:39, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

UNESCO AWLDEdit

I think I've found a record. Mohawk (Q13339) has seven AWLD IDs, and I managed to map them all to specific places. That was fun ... - PKM (talk) 01:56, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi PKM (talkcontribslogs), thanks very much for working on this. The reason this has happened is that there are several Mohawk (Q13339) dialects which AWLD has separate entries for. I guess Wikidata should have separate entries for each dialect and then they should be part of (P361) Mohawk (Q13339). The way I found explored the information for Mohawk is pasting the name into the AWLD map [here http://www.unesco.org/languages-atlas/index.php]. I think this is likely to happen quite a lot when importing this database so I will do a query after it has all been done to find entries with multiple AWLD IDs and separate them out.
Thanks again
John Cummings (talk) 06:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
That sounds like an excellent long-term plan for the dialects.- PKM (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

The only "trick" I used is Mix'n'Match on the iPad - iPad interface makes copying the Qnnn without the parentheses fast (tap the ID anywhere instead of selecting specific characters). Otherwise all done by hand, curled up on the sofa. And linguistics is an old passion of mine, which probably gave me a leg-up on finding matches. - PKM (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

How do I get Wikidata:Living people (draft) to look great?Edit

@John Cummings: your latest document that explain various aspects of Wikidata look great. Where do you get your images? I'm currently working on Wikidata:Living people (draft) and I'm thinking that it would be nice if the policy document could be made to look as great as your documentation. ChristianKl () 11:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks ChristianKl (talkcontribslogs), they come from The Noun Project and I just import them to Commons individually here when I need them. I'm currently talking to African Hope (talkcontribslogs) about using a bot to scrape the images into Commons, if you know how to do that sort of thing, we are discussing it here :). Thanks again, --John Cummings (talk) 12:39, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property_proposal/broader_conceptEdit

Pinging you (amongst others) since I know you've been doing some work on the UNESCO thesaurus, as to whether or not you think it would be useful to be able to record the "broader" field in thesauruses like this, allowing one to reference the thesaurus structure in WDQS queries. Property proposal at Wikidata:Property_proposal/broader_concept. Jheald (talk) 19:09, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the ping @Jheald:, I think what you have brought up is super important and needs some serious thought by quite a few people, I've added a comment. Let me know where I can be helpful :) --John Cummings (talk) 00:28, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

A geoshape for every countryEdit

Hi John,

Following the recent discussion about adding a set of country level geojson polygon data to Commons I've created geoshapes using this dataset: https://datahub.io/core/geo-countries. The ingest is completed; each geoshape is linked to the corresponding Wikidata item and can be retrieved with a query. Here are a few examples:

Is this the sort of visualisation you had in mind? Simon Cobb (Sic19 ; talk page) 21:31, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sic19:, these are amazing :) (@NavinoEvans: for interest). Please could you tell people about this on village pump? This new option for queries needs to be written down somewhere obvious, but I'm not sure where.... Maybe include that question in the village pump message? --John Cummings (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Help contentEdit

Just to let you know: Help:Modelling is now in at least reasonable shape; this is part of my effort to fill in some of the "help deficit" we discussed at the 2018 Wikimedia Conference. I know it's a very different angle than what you are working on, but I think you might find it interesting. - Jmabel (talk) 01:44, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jmabel:, really great stuff, I'll have a proper look in the next few days and come back to you, this was the next thing on my Wikidata to do list, very happy you've done it :) John Cummings (talk) 19:12, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Jmabel:

So me and Nav had a discussion about it and we think its great, we have some suggestions for changes and additions and a new thing that is related. We are still working on improving documentation and are very happy to collaborate with you on things.

  • It's good to see that target audience has been specified ("moderate-to-expert experience in data modeling"), but obviously it would be nice to have pages for the much larger audience with "no experience in data modelling" as well. We do need to provide information for both otherwise the community cannot grow, we think this is where the Wikidata Tours comes in, perhaps some of Help:Modelling/General should be turned into Wikidata Tours. We are currently working on adding some new tours so once we learn how to do it we can do some work on this.
  • One way to organise the domains is to have a portal page with links to all the main domain pages, maybe with icons like I've done for Wikidata:Dataset Imports.
  • Having some kind of link from each example to the community discussion on the way this kind of data is modelled is important, otherwise its going to be confusing and probably people will try and do all the community discussion on the talk page which will go nowhere. Perhaps there should be a new space for this, not sure.
  • The claims template is really compact but additional squids etc are a bit confusing, the Statement+ template showing the same as how it looks on the item pages is super helpful, especially for less experienced users.

Proposal for a new property for model itemsEdit

So the basic idea is to highlight items that are examples of correct modelling, kind of like featured items but for specific topics. These would be labelled through a new property which would be added to the item for the concept e.g Train, and then people could look at the item and know how to model that kind of item. This could be as granular as needed e.g a model item for 'person' and a model item for '18th Century poet'

I think this could then be used in a template (e.g Statement+) which fetches the 'model item' using the instance of statement.

I think this would help people to both understand what the modelling conventions are for different subjects more easily and also to copy them.

Thoughts?

John Cummings (talk) 19:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Withdrawn US Biosphere ReservesEdit

I just stumbled across the news that the US withdrew 17 biosphere reserves from MAB in June 2017. [1] I guess the thing to do is add start and end times to the “member of” statements and make sure we have entries for the sites under their NPS or USFS designations. Anything else we need to think about? - PKM (talk) 07:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

I've added the UNESCO press release on this change as 23 new sites added to UNESCO’s World Network of Biosphere Reserves (Q56438722), to use as reference. - PKM (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Central Plains (Q22673891) is an example where the item (and ENwiki article) is specifically about the Biosphere reserve; I have created Central Plains Experimental Range (Q56439730) and linked the two. Coram Experimental Forest (Q5169629) is an example where the MAB data was added to an existing item on the (surviving) experimental forest. Do you think it is best practice to separate Coram into two items as well? - PKM (talk) 21:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
@PKM:, thanks very much, using existing items or adding new items is a really hard choice, the BRs ca be called the same thing and cover a different geographic region, or be called something different and cover the same geographic region, sometimes this information isn't public or is hard to find. My guess is that they should all be seperated out as individual items once geoshapes become more usable on Wikidata. I think I'll go through them all with the BR team to see whats best. Thanks again, --John Cummings (talk) 09:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good. I’ll continue updating the enwiki articles and add the “end dates” to existing items as I go. Let me know if you decide on separation as the best way forward; I am happy to work on that. - PKM (talk) 19:37, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Geoshape documentationEdit

Hi John,

Thanks for your help with the documentation. I will continued to add to it but wanted to flag that I might not be very active during the next week as I'm going to be away at WikiCite. Cheers Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 22:17, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Sic19: no problem, its a pleasure, I think we are nearly there :) No problem with the delay, if you do meet people at Wikicite who you think could add content please do show them it. --John Cummings (talk) 10:26, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Hungarian sites on protectedplant.netEdit

Hi, you have made a mistake. You have imported in Wikidata the Hungarian sites on protectedplant.net with wrong properties. Your import have used property P808 Bien de Interés Cultural (BIC) code, but the correct property should be: P809 WDPA ID. Unfortunately I have noticed this failure after that I have matched manually about 50 items. I am not familiar with the upload to Mix'n'match so I ask you correct your failure! For eexample see Q1009672 There You could verify the links. Texaner (talk) 19:37, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata query example for Local Authorities in EnglandEdit

I see in your Geoshapes notes you have a link to a query for Local Authority areas in England. Here is an alternative version of that query which might provide a better version of this map as it provides a link directly to the query result and colours each area differently. Hope this is of some help. Owenpatel (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks very much @Owenpatel:, this is super helpful. Do you know how to convert this into a Kartographer map like the one at the top of the page? Thanks again --John Cummings (talk) 09:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
I've not used the Kartographer extension, but it looks to me that while it can currently work with map data from the Commons, and can map Wikidata query results when the referenced items have Wikidata IDs in OpenStreetMap, it doesn't seem that it can currently deal with the situation where the Wikidata items have a map file on the commons. However, not being that familiar with Kartographer, I may well have missed something so could be worth asking on the Kartographer talk page Owenpatel (talk) 09:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

YearEdit

I noticed you designated 2000 (Q1985) and 2018 (Q25291) as model items for year (Q577). But that item is the time it takes the Earth to orbit the Sun. I believe items such as 2000 and 2001 should be considered calendar year (Q3186692), not years. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jc3s5h: thanks very much for catching my mistake :) Corrected. --John Cummings (talk) 13:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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