Comment I understand the meanning, but no where are you thinking to apply. For instance, does it must be main property or qualifier or both and when ?. In example 1, it's clear, but only affects to 6 items. In example 2, is it limited to a match with these participants ?, or it may be used in other level (competition, league, season, etc..); does it may used with person (players) ? and when ?, etc. Sorry, but in this kind of properties, is easy to understand the meanning, but after that, editors may apply it in heterogenous and contradictory ways. As I'm sure you have clear "how to use", please explain it. Thanks, --Amadalvarez (talk) 09:18, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because there are current no modeled volleyball games, this area of application is not a priority for the time being. Nevertheless, one should be aware of this possibility. Thus, this property can be used as main value (Q54828448). In addition, in my opinion, this property is necessary for the creation of tables in volleyball. We can stick to the example of the World Cup and take a look at the table for pool A [2]. There you can see that the currently available properties are not sufficient because you cannot display both the values listed under “Sets” and the values listed under “Points” with the properties number of points/goals/set scored (P1351) and number of points/goals conceded (P1359). For this reason, you need the two properties won set and lost set for the table display. I will apply for the second property mentioned after the property discussed here has been accepted and created. From my point of view, the main task of the property won set is in the table display and therefore the property can also be used as qualifier (Q54828449). --Gymnicus (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Gymnicus:. If this property is finally approved, none of this discussion will be copied to the talk page, just description, examples, etc. will be. So, could you improve the definition block with your statements in order to facilitate the creation of the property and not leave open (or already discussed) topics in the future?. If data models have not yet been made for volleyball, it is difficult to determine how and when this property will be used. You want to create a concept that no one doubts will be necessary, but we need to go further and explain its application in each case, may be not now, but yes before it was missused. For example, to build the table for pool A [3], where will the "won sets" property for Italy be located ?: in the item of "Championship", of "round of championship", of "pool of round of championship" or in the "participation of Italy in this championship"?. The value is clear, it will be 15 in any case, but will it be property or qualifier? If it is primary property, which qualifier should it accept? and when it is a qualifier, what other qualifiers should accompany it to make it comprehensible what the "15" refers to ?. These doubts are answered by preparing the data model, and it would be good to have them clear before making use of the property. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 14:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your invitation, but you're the proponent and a good definition invites to a support votes. Now, I vote against, but if you fix the definition, may I change it. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 08:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The poor definition requires to be improve to avoid missunderstanding in its application. The concept is clear, but aspects on: whether it is exclusive for volley or shared for other similar rules sport, when to use as a main property or qualifier, which qualifiers are allowed, etc. should be defined befor approval. Amadalvarez (talk) 08:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Amadalvarez: Yes, I am the applicant. However, that does not mean that others are not allowed to participate and this includes not only writing comments, but also making changes to the request. At least that's how I understood the principle of the joint project. In addition, I still do not fully understand your messages. That's why I just ask a few questions about your statements:
“The poor definition requires to be improve to avoid missunderstanding in its application.” — Why is the definition bad and what kind of misunderstandings do you see? By the way, the application is based on the property application from number of points/goals/set scored (P1351). That's why I'm a little surprised because of your criticism.
“whether it is exclusive for volley or shared for other similar rules sport” — Didn't you read the Motivation section? It says there in which sports this property can be used in addition to volleyball. You can also look at the object set (Q371609) there are also a few sports in which sets are played. Once the property has been created, this data object will certainly be improved and elaborated a little.
“when to use as a main property or qualifier” — In my opinion, these questions are also answered in the application. But I've expanded the example section a little and there you can see where I would use the property. But other users can certainly have other ideas as to where something can be done with the property. But you don't have to talk about it now, you can talk about it when the users implement it and maybe cause errors.
“which qualifiers are allowed” If you used this property as a value, then from my point of view the only usable qualifier is the property applies to part (P518). But I don't know how to add this to the application. When you know this, so be free and add it in.
Notified participants of WikiProject Sports Dear members of the sports portal, I would like to reaffirm this suggestion because I think it is a shame that the discussion has more than fallen asleep and that no authorized representative is making a decision here. As the creator, I cannot make a decision myself. Perhaps further expressions of opinion could help that a decision is made on this property proposal. --Gymnicus (talk) 13:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - there actually a bigger catch area than is being suggested as sets are used in other sports, such as darts and bowls. If we have a number of points/sets required to win parameter, we should also have a similar one for amount of points required to win a set. Lee Vilenski (talk) 13:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - important property for sports that use sets, which are quite a few. I would expect there to be two properties, one for won sets and one for lost sets and that they would be used in the same way as number of points/goals/set scored (P1351) and number of points/goals conceded (P1359). I don't think it makes sense to have a property for the results of individual sets (as suggested by Lee Vilensky) as that differs between sports and would be difficult to handle with the current interface. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 09:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Properties has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. Dear members of the property portal. If you are property creator, I would like to ask you to decide on the property proposed here. I am also aware that there have already been proposals for properties that have been open for a longer time. But after a year and a half it would help me a lot if a decision was made on my proposal, regardless of the direction in which the decision was made. --Gymnicus (talk) 20:51, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The property has been stalled in the properties backlog for several months because of the vote of Amadalvarez. The negative vote was cast and after a request for clarification on the same day, no response was obtained (neither after five months). The discussion could not proceed further, but the proposal received some other affirmative votes. I believe that the description is clear, and the motivation for the proposal are reasonable and worthy. I proceed to create the property. Luca.favorido (talk) 06:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Data Gamer play 15:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Comment I understand the meanning, but no where are you thinking to apply. For instance, does it must be main property or qualifier or both and when ?. In example 1, it's clear, but only affects to 6 items. In example 2, is it limited to a match with these participants ?, or it may be used in other level (competition, league, season, etc..); does it may used with person (players) ? and when ?, etc. Sorry, but in this kind of properties, is easy to understand the meanning, but after that, editors may apply it in heterogenous and contradictory ways. As I'm sure you have clear "how to use", please explain it. Thanks, --Amadalvarez (talk) 09:18, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Oppose The poor definition requires to be improve to avoid missunderstanding in its application. The concept is clear, but aspects on: whether it is exclusive for volley or shared for other similar rules sport, when to use as a main property or qualifier, which qualifiers are allowed, etc. should be defined befor approval. Amadalvarez (talk) 08:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
WikiProject Properties has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. Dear members of the property portal. If you are property creator, I would like to ask you to decide on the property proposed here. I am also aware that there have already been proposals for properties that have been open for a longer time. But after a year and a half it would help me a lot if a decision was made on my proposal, regardless of the direction in which the decision was made. --Gymnicus (talk) 20:51, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Done won sets (P11081) --Luca.favorido (talk) 06:57, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
