Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates

Developpers

Tickets

• Ticket 1 : to write the documentation here for first tests, the Template:Statement+ was used to see different examples with country of citizenship (P27). Unfortunately, Template:Date only works in English, and has problems when we use dates as 2011-07 (it understand 2011-07-01). The solution is to reprogramm this template. Wikimedia Commons has Commons:Template:Date and it seems to function very well.
  • Message to Jarekt (updater of Template:Date in Wikimedia Commons).
  •  Done Jarekt make an adaptation for the template. See the page for Bengali and for farsi.
• Ticket 2 : to write the documentation here for first tests, the Template:Statement+ was used to see different examples with country of citizenship (P27). Unfortunately, Statement+ has a problem of display for languages we write from the right to the left, we can quote AR Wiki and HE Wiki. The solution is to make an adaptation.
  • Message to Was a bee (creator of Statement+)
  • Message to Mr. Ibrahem (solve this case for AR Wiki with Module:Cycling race years ago)
  •  Done Mr. Ibrahem solve the problem few minutes after, see this edit.
• Ticket 3 : Template:Navbox is used for Template:WikiProject Supertemplates, Template:WikiProject Supertemplates/Qualifiers and Template:WikiProject Supertemplates/Constraints. More generally we can fing it on the talk page of properties. It works very well except for one point : il is not adapted for language where we write and read from the right to the left. The solution is surely to add a little part of code.
  • Message to Mr. Ibrahem
  •  Done Mr. Ibrahem solve the problem, see this for head of government (P6)
• Ticket 4 : 2le2im-bdc indicates the red button can be a source of confusion with the green for daltonian people.
  •  Done JGHJ solves the problem. Considering there are different forms of daltonism, the solution is to add the name of the colour via the Template:Label, an user can see "red" (rouge in French) thanks to his computeur mouse : . There is an interest to develop a template to display such buttons.
  •  Done Template:Button ST has been created and works. The name Template:Button was already in use.
• Ticket 5 : Update of Template:Statement+ to incorporate instrucction column as it's implemented in cawiki.
  • Message to Was a bee (creator of Statement+),
  •  Done

Generalities

• Subject on the French talk page of Wikidata
• Multilingual Templates and Modules
• Plantilla:Infotaula persona on CA Wiki
• Object : develop rich infoboxes and tables, in numerous languages, without problems
• Proposal for tests (just examples) :
  • CA Wiki, a big Wikipedia
  • LB Wiki, a small Wikipedia
  • RU Wiki, a cyrillic alphabet
  • BN Wiki, non latin alphabet and figures
  • AR Wiki, a Wikipedia where we write from the right to the left
• Idea of principle : a property readable must have its subpage of documentation
• Make a very clear dissociation between what the contributor-writer wants to find and the coding, domain of the programmer. Go straight to the point at the first click. Navigate by instinct.
• Search the Wikipedia archive to find out what the problems were with the arrival of Wikidata (apart from the resistance to change) so as not to repeat the same mistakes.
• Put the problems on the table and solve them together. Make tickets, as Amazon does ("safety saves"). Devote time to solving problems.
• Babel : first step to a new user => define its languages => adaptation of Wikidata.
• ca:Mòdul:CreateStatement

Notes

• The key of success is our possibility to work in different languages, so you can add at the URL of this page ?uselang=XX to see the adaptations in different languages. Personnaly, I generaly do HI TI SI, it refers to HI Wiki, TI Wiki and SI Wiki.
• It might be interesting to ask the Wikimedia Foundation for the necessary financial means to hire, for example, a few translators for a given language if there were to be a lack of speakers.
• Tracking categories can be interesting to permit translations, see Category:Articles with missing Wikidata information (Q16737095).
• Also see Category:Wikipedia categories tracking data using Wikidata (Q21981953) and the example of FR Wiki to have an idea to the use of Wikidata property by property.
• Don't forget one point : we can't promise saving of time for little Wikipedias, because at the beginning there will be a huge work to add translations on Wikidata. So during monthes, it will not take less time to create an article by using datas from Wikidata. At a critical threshold of translation, it will become advantageous.
• Make an automatic categorization : death in november 2019, interred at XX cemetery, birth at Madrid... less work for smaller Wikipedias = more time to create articles.
  • OK, but optionally, setting up by installation parameter. Now, cawiki infoboxes set "live people", "deaths by year" and "lack of images by type" categories for everybody, but it should be customizable.
• Developping a technical function that permit to display on a page all fields of the infobox to transle for a given language. Consider the page should stay because new properties are created and new are added to the algorithm. Once translated, the property disappears from the page.
• Have a translatable list of first all properties excluding identifiers, second the 5000 most used and more strategic items, to propose it at local communities : they should have the possibility to work in their languages.

First templates

• An infobox for persons ;
• An infobox for places ;
• A table to display the evolution of a population for a place (population (P1082), fr:Modèle:Population, see also hu:Modul:Népességdiagram, ca:Plantilla:DemogCat).

Other templates

• A template for the display of sources ;
• A template for bibliography, near fr:Modèle:Bibliographie ;
• A template to display at the bottom Wikimedia Commons and other Wikimedia sites ;
• A template to display, at external link, identifiers : authority control and other databases.
  • There are three interesting templates on FR Wiki : Autorité, Bases (and its subtemplates) and Dictionnaires. By writing "Bases", we can display all specific bases, see here. Votes occurred to choose the identifiers to display. Autorité/Bases/Dictionnaires is a triptych.

Future

Ideas to templates we can develop in the future :

• twinned administrative body (P190), see fr:Modèle:Jumelages (automatic zoom will be a pleasure)
• head of government (P6), see fr:Liste des dirigeants successifs

Interface for users

function (Q15810910)

Here link to the different templates : infoboxes and tables. Because we have to be able to welcome each person in spite of their mother tongue, we must do without text and use either images, logos or Wikidata elements.

Idea: create new black and white logos to portray a person's infobox, a geographic infobox, and a population evolution. Possibly have a portrait format. Do without any writing. See a sample of some ones already used in ca:Ajuda:Infotaules. The portrait could be the occasion to make a return for Wikipe-tan more than ten years after, and why not create Wikida-tan.

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documentation science (Q1235196)

This is the heart of the project for the largest number of contributors: if you have people who can add an infobox, they are also powerful relays to perform updates. So we must be able to detail how to fill each property with general examples first but also with specific cases.

Navbox

The documentation must be accessible as soon as you click on the link at the bottom of the infobox or table. It may be interesting to rank via the property number, displayed in a table that would always remain at the top of each page of the documentation. Otherwise, it is always possible to keep a header.

Note to discuss, from amadalvarez

Until now, I (we?) oriented template documentations in the same way as did when we had manual parameters. Usually, each parameter become a line in infobox, a specific piece of information and if we had a multi-value, we entered all together in one parameter with a line break included inside. When WD was incorporated, we simply added the correspondent property code at side the old descriptions. It was enough while we handle "basic properties" to replace old parameters. However, now the information displayed is more complex and show a combination of properties and qualifiers. We must explain how to fill/update WD not as it is structured (data model) but as the editor see and understand a "block of concepts" and from this point of view drive him/her to the impacted properties. As we have changed the approach to handle the information, our editors have a comprehension gap between how they enter information to get what they want to see. In addition, as the infoboxes become a core from different information profiles (person instead of artists or politicians) they must have a guide to know what are the "usual blocks" for the profile they look for. In conclusion, I proposed organize documentation (still do not know the best format) up to down:

1. Class of item/topic/article >> managed by "Infobox xxxx"
2. Concept blocks available
3. Properties and qualifiers involved. This level could be covered by template:statement+ or template:claim simplified (work in progress)

sample of this proposal

Sample of this concept (now in cawiki, because the template:Statement+ has been modified. When changes were accepted in WD version, sample will be translated)

• Property description (the most elemental piece): P119, P166, etc.
• Conceptual block (level to show to editors), that gather one or more properties descriptions: Death block
• Infobox description (Full documentation). There are two proposals to evaluate: Infobox person

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Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates (Supertemplates is just an exemple, the project can have another name)

• Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates/doc
  • Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates/doc/P6
  • Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates/doc/P131
  • ...

I don't know how we do to make a link to Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates/doc/P6 with Template:P. I don't know if it is necessary.

Statement+

Template:Statement+ will be used to display the different examples in the documentation. I think it is the best way for an user to learn. Moreover we should not have problems with translations.

Example for country of citizenship (P27) :

country of citizenship	Bolivia edit 0 references add reference
		add value

More than just documentation, it is also an opportunity to be precise enough for changes of nationality following the disappearance of the USSR, East Germany, Czechoslovakia ... finally set dates after consultation with people who regularly work on these issues.

• 6th novembre 2019. New version of {{Statement+}} with |doc=
• see the use in Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates/doc/P119:

place of burial (P119): location of grave, resting place, place of ash-scattering, etc. (e.g., town/city or cemetery) for a person or animal. There may be several places: e.g., re-burials, parts of body buried separately.

Jeanne Hébuterne (Q235605): French painter (1898–1920)

place of burial	Père Lachaise Cemetery edit start time 1930 burial plot reference 96 coordinate location 48°51'35.2904"N, 2°23'54.6554"E 0 references add reference Cimetière parisien de Bagneux edit start time 28 January 1920 end time 1930 0 references add reference		example: Jeanne Hébuterne item-requires-statement constraint → date of death subject type constraint = human, animal, fictional character value-type constraint = geographic entity, établissement public de santé multi-value constraint → Père Lachaise Cemetery → preferred rank Cimetière parisien de Bagneux → normal rank
		add value

• example of "conceptual block": Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates/doc/person/death
• Concerning the yellow navbox, it would be desirable for the section listing properties to be rolled up by default. (JGHJ)

Navboxes

On day 3, 3rd novembre 2019, three navboxes were created for documentation. A color code exists : yellow, orange and red.

• {{WikiProject Supertemplates/Documentation}} is the main navbox, it lists the documentation pages for properties.
• {{WikiProject Supertemplates/Qualifiers}} lists the main qualifiers used for a given property.
• {{WikiProject Supertemplates/Constraints}} indicate an important constraint for a given property, if necessary.

A mother category, Category:WikiProject Supertemplates, has been created. On 5th november, documentation was added to templates, and more content.

translation (Q7553)

Create some links to thematic lists. The first inevitably will translate the properties and properties of the identifiers.

Then we should try to translate about 5000 elements, so as to ensure a comfortable base for any newcomer.

Inspiration for Wikidata:WikiProject Cycling/Kit to translate/Championships and Wikidata:WikiProject Cycling/Kit to translate

• Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates
  • Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates/Translations
    • Wikidata:WikiProject Supertemplates/Translations/Countries

reference data type (Q1334113)

Create a page made of examples to show how to source on Wikidata, examples can avoid writing in a particular language.