Wikidata talk:Notability

For discussion of the "Exclusion criteria" section of this guideline, please see the /Exclusion criteria subpage.

Offering alternatives

Hey everyone,

The notability guidelines are important. They do leave some people/projects disappointed however of course. I think we could make this better by guiding people more clearly towards alternatives. With the Wikibase Ecosystem growing and becoming more mature this is really becoming more of an option for people now who have larger data sets. What do you think about calling this out on the page? We could say something like "If the data you're trying to add falls outside of the notability guidelines, your data unfortunately won’t be accepted on Wikidata. But, our sibling projects, Wikibase Cloud or Wikibase Suite could be a good home for your data. Go to Wikiba.se to learn more about the options."

Cheers Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

IMHO we could add it. --Epìdosis 10:54, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe also make a page with alternative Wikibase instances and their scope? Multichill (talk) 11:01, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I guess we could link to some useful query on https://wikibase.world? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 11:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Looks like a good idea. Ymblanter (talk) 19:00, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Does anyone have a good query to link to? Otherwise I'll add the text for now and when someone has a good query we can add it. Until then there is the showcase section on wikiba.se. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 11:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I've added a section for this now. LydiaPintscher (talk) 12:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Strange wording about .js

> or any page that is intended for TemplateStyles (i. e. suffix that contain ".css" and/or ".js")
I assume .js has nothing to do with TemplateStyles? You can have .js in MediaWiki and User, which are already excluded. JWBTH (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Are stores that have very few secondary news articles about them notable?

If a new store opens in town or is going to close and an article is written about them does that mean they are deserving of a Wikidata item?

Should we really make an item for every Starbucks that opens in a town and a publication decides to write about? Seems questionable.

Examples:

• Souvenir Concept-Store (Q121634502) Frankenpost
• Barnes & Noble (Q795454) in Naperville (Q243007) NBC Chicago

Lectrician1 (talk) 17:03, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Notability isn’t about “deserving” in a moral sense (otherwise our notability criteria would probably look very different). Those items seem to be notable per WD:N #2. Sure, one might wonder if the world is in dire need for those items but you can ask similar questions about probably more than 95% of items. CC @PantheraLeo1359531 as creator. --Emu (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Emu for pinging. For the Concept Store topic: I can say that this is not only about closing, opening, whatsoever. It's not just any store, but was sponsored by the city and a measure of a federal ministry, and became known as far away as Upper Franconia (larger surroundings). It should not be talked about so disrespectfully as if it were just a banal store. In addition, it has many regional products, which makes it relevant in terms of local culture, etc. pp --PantheraLeo1359531 (talk) 13:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

IHK also informs there, which is no small institution (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrie-_und_Handelskammer) --PantheraLeo1359531 (talk) 13:38, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add Wikifunctions to the list of sitelinks for criteria 1

I suggest adding it here: "It contains at least one valid sitelink to a page on Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, or Wikimedia Commons." -> "It contains at least one valid sitelink to a page on Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, Wikimedia Commons, or Wikifunctions." WDYT? So9q (talk) 15:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure but there ought to be some caveat I think like #7 for Wikidata. Not sure what makes sense for that wiki though. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Good point. Suggested caveat: "On Wikifunctions, only functions Z8 (not implementations or tests) are allowed as target sitelink."–So9q (talk) 19:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure that is good enough as we have 3 functions for multiplication of various number types: one for natural numbers, one for signs, one for integers. That is only going to get worse as we get more number types. -- ScienceD90 (talk) 13:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)