Wikidata talk:Wikidata in Wikimedia projects

Useful discussions about Wikidata on other Wikimedia projects

This page was in part created by gpomg through the discussion on other Wikimedia projects realted to Wikidata, here is a non exhaustive list, please have a look through to see if any more questions or concerns can be addressed on this page:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_World_Heritage_Site Done
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_September_15#Template:Cite_Q
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-11-25/Op-ed
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-12-02/Op-ed
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-12-09/Op-ed
• en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikidata Phase 2
• en:Template talk:Infobox book #Wikidata
• en:Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 128 #RfC: Wikidata in infoboxes, opt-in or opt-out?
• en:Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 May 11 #Template:Infobox_person/Wikidata
• en:Wikipedia:Wikidata/2017 State of affairs - and its talkpage
• pt:Wikipédia:Esplanada/propostas/Utilização_do_Wikidata_em_infoboxes_(3ago2017)
• en:Module:Wikidata
• en:Module:WikidataIB

Thanks

--John Cummings (talk) 11:04, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Purpose of this page

Thanks for starting this page, but it has turned out to be quite broad in scope. Maybe that is just the way Wikidata is, because it is growing so fast that it's hard to keep up. As someone who took a peek in the very beginning and joined in as early as possible as a non-script writer could, I can say that yes, you touch on a lot of icebergs, which is good, but you haven't scraped the surface of everyone who feels like they are getting freezed out. It's a very good roundup of pages, but I think we also need to create a couple of pages that explain the history of Wikidata in a few quick bug lists or phab tasks. I can think of the discussion about deleting vs redirecting item numbers for example, and the way we set up the various queues for property proposals, and then setting up ways to actually see the properties we created, etc. When it comes to a lay person trying to make a data donation or set up a collaboration dialog, their first question will be "How do I map my database to Wikidata's database?" and of course, in many cases, we will want those people to join the property conversation and not just map away using some default set of properties. So yes, Wikidata can be used on Wikimedia projects, but more Wikimedians can be welcomed to more Wikidata projects, and I think mapping our needs here is something that works best when it is layered over the past challenges and how we worked through them over time. Jane023 (talk) 11:37, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Tracking changes to a Wikidata page from another Wikimedia project

I'll try to explain the current issues that are preventing me from including the Wikidata changes in my watchlist. Basically, if I select Show Wikidata edits in your watchlist then over 90 % of the edits in my watchlist are from Wikidata. Most of them are also irrelevant in fiwiki's context and are known to be acceptable for fiwiki. I can filter out most of the unnecessary stuff by using "patrolled edits" filter. (doesn't work. It seems that all edits from WD are flagged as patrolled) However patrolled edits are visible by default and I think that most users want to see local patrolled edits in their watchlist.

To get this working users should be able to filter patrolled/bot edits from Wikidata and local wiki independently via settings. To get it implemented in a most straightforward way is to get mw:Edit Review Improvements/New filters for edit review team to implement it. Technically it is an easy task to do and most of the needed stuff is made in phab:T159787. (@Trizek_(WMF): (edit: doesn't work. It seems that all edits from WD are flagged as patrolled and this is not trivial to fix)

Secondly, even with patrolled edits filtering there is still a need to filter out even more. For example I don't want to see label/description edits in languages which I can't read OR to filter out edits to properties which aren't used in that page (in that wikimedia project) which are shown in watchlist. Ticket for this is phab:T90436 and some work is done for backend, but it still needs user interface support which has not begun. After that the Lua modules which are in Wikimedia projects and used in for example infoboxes will need to be changed so that they will use the new feature. --Zache (talk) 08:12, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@Zache:, thanks very much for this explanation. --John Cummings (talk) 20:12, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Link to how-to for Lua and parser funktions

This page should probably link to Wikidata:How to use data on Wikimedia projects but I'm not sure where. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk)

@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE):, I added a section, it needs expanding but its a start.

Collating where Wikidata is used on other Wikimedia projects

This will be useful

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11985372

--John Cummings (talk) 19:55, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

module:Wikidata in different Wikipedias

I checked the linked Guides are available to help set up Wikidata fed infoboxes on Wikipedia pages. Currently you need Lua-modules if you want to do anything more complicated with Wikidata and there is access modules for that. Currently good ones seems to be:

• w:ca:Module:Wikidata - was mentioned in Wikimania slides. Easy to copy to other wikiprojects. Doesn't have infobox integration.
• w:cs:Module:Wikidata - like frwikis, but not so polished and smaller
• w:fr:Module:Wikidata - most advanced. Con: Large and you need to copy lot of modules if you want to use it in other wikiprojects
• w:he:Module:Wikidata - was mentioned in Wikimania slides
• w:ru:Module:Wikidata - different working paradigm than others

In infobox point of view they look like this:

• Cawiki: Article (Douglas Adams) : infobox template
• Cswiki: Article (Half-Life 2) : infobox template : infobox configuration
• Frwiki: Article (Reblochon) : infobox template : infobox configuration
• Hewiki: Article (טיטניק_(סרט,_1997) : infobox template
• Ruwiki: Article (Берлин) : Infobox template

If i missed something, then please link :). --Zache (talk) 04:21, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

English Wikisource

Message originally posted on the project chat by billinghurst, copying here to keep everything in one place:

The English Wikisource is utilising wikidata for populating some of its fields in its author header: image, birth and death data, plus sister interwikis; and the broader authority control templates. Commons is using Wikidata in its Creator: namespace.In general, for people's names, the data is still insufficiently complete, eg. many are wikidata items are missing "family field" and partial "given name" either missing names, or no serial ordinal to order names. The Wikisources seem okay to migrating to data pulls, though need reassurance that the local data is present at WD prior to removing local fields. It is a journey as there are many Wikisource editions that do not have their data even set here at this time, and there is no easy means to push the data from Wikisource to Wikidata, so there we await those tools in development.

--John Cummings (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Resource on Meta

Hi there. I stumbled upon m:10 reasons why you'll want our new infoboxes too, and I wonder if it could be useful to you. Best, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata on frwikisource

Hi, WikiProject Books has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead.

on Wikisource (fr), we already transfered all our Authors to wikidata, more than a year ago, and our current template on more than 8700 authors is generally just importing data from wikidata, with some maintaining, of course :)

We are now on our way to transfer metadata for our texts to wikidata, with the new project.

The reflections about how to transfer data should, I think, be shared with most wikisources, as our goals are the same. So, here I post this... --Hsarrazin (talk) 08:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikitable from Wikidata?

Is there a way to conveniently populate a Wikitable from Wikidata -- or to produce something that looks like that?

I'm currently working to replace the list of states in the Repeal section of the Wikipedia article on "w:Net neutrality in the United States" with a Wikitable showing the dates that (a) governors promulgated relevant executive orders, (b) attorneys general joined the net neutrality lawsuit against the FCC, and (c) a net neutrality bill was introduced into the state legislature.

If there were a way to do this, I might try to enter the data I'm compiling into Wikidata. I probably will NOT do this for this current task. However, if I knew that there was a way -- AND it was not a lot more work than what I'm doing -- I might enter the data into Wikidata. For sure, it would be nice to be able to extract such a table from Wikidata and have all uses automatically updated each time, e.g., another relevant bill is introduced in some US state. DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@DavidMCEddy: Have you seen listeria? Give it a Wikidata query, and it can generate tables of the results, e.g. see en:User:Mike Peel/Telescopes by country. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: Thanks very much. That's a start, but it's still a hill too high for this infant to climb. Questions:

1. What must be done to put citations into Wikidata? I've been using w:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation, because I can use this same template on en.wikipedia, en.wikiversity, etc. However, it will not work for non-English languages. I heard at Wikimania 2017 in Montreal that citations could be entered into Wikidata, but I have so far not seen adequate documentation on how to do enter and use such info.
2. Can listeria be used to produce a table with collapsed cells, like in w:User:DavidMCEddy/sandbox on 2018-02-14? This is my current project and may not stay in my sandbox after I complete it. It uses, "rowspan=" to collapse cells vertically.
3. How can one collapse cells in the header of a table? My example currently in w:User:DavidMCEddy/sandbox includes columns designated by "!legislation-filed !!legislation-number !!legislation-title/description". I tried using "!rowspan="2"!entity" and "!rowspan="2"!entity", etc., with "!colspan="2"!legislation", etc. without success.
4. I have not seen an email from your {{ping|DavidMCEddy}}. I've received emails from Wikimania Program, Wikimedia Commons, Wikinews, Wikipedia, Wikiversity, and other entities in searching my email files for “from” something containing “wiki”. (I didn't find anything in my spam folders.) Might you have any suggestions about the cause of this problem and what might be done to fix it? You responded to my question two hours after I answered. I looked for answers there for 1:59 (h:mm) or so after I posted it, then failed to look again until just a few minutes ago. As a result I was deprived of your supportive reply until I on a whim looked at this one more time a few moments ago. DavidMCEddy (talk) 08:46, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@DavidMCEddy: For another example, you can also see the results of ice skating competition at the Olympic Games, on French Wikinews, directly displayed from Wikidata. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 08:49, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE) C'est merveilleux / Wunderbar, except that I cannot figure out how to make your example work in the English-language Wikipedia (nor Wikiversity, which is the primary place I want to use it).

Template:Tableau qualificateurs

{{Tableau qualificateurs|entity=Q48535669|property=P71|main:P710|P1706|P1532|P1352|P1351|P4815|P4826|P4825|P1545|main:P710=femmes|P1706=hommes|P1532=pays|P1352=rang|P1351=TSS|P4815=TES|P4826=PCS|P4825=déduction|P1545=ordre de passage}}

I found fr:Modèle:Tableau qualificateurs, but it doesn't have a translation into English.

Is it available in English?

If not, what would it take to make it available in English?

I read Spanish, French and German routinely, though not with the same level of comprehension as English. I translated the Wikipedia article on w:Julia Cagé from French into English, and I've planned to translate that article into Spanish as soon as I can figure out how to translate {{cite Q|...}} into Spanish.

I've been writing code since 1963, most recently using R (programming language. I've never looked at Lua, but if someone points me to the Lua code for {{Tableau qualificateurs|...}} and appropriate documentation, I can attempt to translate that code and fr:Modèle:Tableau qualificateurs into English (and maybe Spanish and German, though I'd prefer to have some help from a native speaker of those languages; otherwise, the translation may not be as intuitive as it should be for native Spanish and German speakers).

I'm hoping to crowdsource extensions to research like {{wikiversity:Time to nuclear Armageddon}}, inviting anyone to enter, e.g., their estimates of the probabilities that any particular crises may have become a nuclear war. I believe Wikiversity and Wikidata could become a platform for crowdsourcing research similar to w:Philip E. Tetlock#Good Judgment Project. Anyone in the world could decide which set of raters and ratings to use for a particular project. They could access it in R (programming language using, e.g., WikidataR or WikidataQueryServiceR and display results in Wikiversity using a translation of {{Tableau qualificateurs|...}}.

ALSO: What conference(s) might you suggest I consider attending to push work of this nature?

I just found Meta:WikiData Days 2020. Their July 2-4 schedule and location seem doable for me, assuming the conference program made sense for me. I attended Wikimania 2017, 2018, and 2019, with minor spots on the agendas for the last two. I also attended WikiConference North America 2018.

Thanks DavidMCEddy (talk) 23:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@DavidMCEddy:

To translate documentation into English, what is needed is one or several volunteers who would translate it into English. You can definitely start and ask for help.

If you're interested in technical events of the Wikimedia movement, I can suggest the mw:Wikimedia Hackathon 2020 taking place in May. This is also a good place to work on documentation. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 10:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Lea Lacroix (WMDE): Thanks. I have another, tentative commitment for that time. What about meta:Wikidata Days 2020? I can make that conference, if I could find collaborators for something like this there. (I'd also like to help translate w:Template:Cite Q into Spanish and German, if that would be feasible.) DavidMCEddy (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Sure, it's going to be a great conference organized by the Portuguese-speaking community. Feel free to attend. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 08:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

@Lea Lacroix (WMDE): I've purchased my plane ticket and reserved a room in a hotel in Tirana, and I created two tasks on Phabricator associated with the Hackathon: One to create Wikitables from Wikidata in English, the other to use Wikicite in Spanish and maybe German.

However, with the w:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak, I may want to stay in the US, depending on what happens with this between now and then. (I saw something yesterday that said the death rate was 3.5 percent, up from the 2-3 percent estimates previously. However computing from numbers in "w:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak", I estimated the death rate to be more like 5 or 6 percent.)

What's the feasibility of using videoconferencing, e.g., zoom.ai?

Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 08:16, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Did you also register as a participant? If so, you'll receive more information about the event, notification in case it is cancelled. I don't know the details about the remote possibilities. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 08:31, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

@Lea Lacroix (WMDE): I received an email stamped 2020-02-15 saying, "Thanks for filling out Registration Tirana Hackathon 2020". I don't recall having paid a registration fee; I don't think they asked. I should be in their system, but I don't recall having received another email about this since 2020-02-15. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

A query from an interested WMDE Team about the future of this page

Hello Wikidatanauts, Wikimedia Deutschland is investigating ways to increase the participation and reuse of Wikidata into the sibling Wikimedia projects. A software development team is being formed to focus solely on this topic whilst the existant Wikidata team can carry on with their core responsibilities and fine work. To that end, we would like to review this page and others like it that collate examples of Wikidata integrations, update them where possible and with community approval; organise and structure them including where they occur on other Wiki's and add links and feedback opportunities with the new team responsible for integrations. Best, Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 16:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Questions roughly in this regardː

- What about adding to each Wikidata item a list of all uses of that item in other WMF projects?

- Some WMF projects support something like ʽwːTemplate:Cite Qʼ, while others do not. Wikimedia Commons allows it (e.g., ʽːFile:Percent of the world's population dead from a nuclear war.svgʼ). However, at least on 2022-10-29, I could not get "Cite Q" to work in the Wikiquote article on ʽWikiquoteːManuela Carmenaʼ. Instead, I used [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q110039788 'Manuela Carmena: "La mentira sistemática está generando una deformación de la realidad"', ''Las cosas clara'' (program on RTVE), 2021-01-22.]

Thanks.

p.s. Many standard features of the MediaWiki markup language do not work on this page. As a result, I do not know how to use things like standard bulleted lists. ???

̴̴ DavidMCEddy (talk) 17:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I think it will be useful. As one possible application, currently, when checking an item before deletion, we review the sitelinks, but we can not really check the usage via templates 9and we know for example that it really produces issues at Commons). Ymblanter (talk) 19:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. It may not be as easy as on Commons, but it should be doable, e.g., with a periodic crawl of all WMF projects searching for ʽcite Qʼ or equivalent as well as for a URL starting with httpsː//www.wikidata.org, maintained between craws by scanning all changes for such and updating the information accordingly. ̴̴ DavidMCEddy (talk) 22:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)