Property talk:P1114
Latest comment: 4 years ago by Jura1 in topic Using for a quantity of a medication
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quantity
number of instances of this subject in the universe of the subject (the actual number of instances in Wikidata may be lower or higher)
number of instances of this subject in the universe of the subject (the actual number of instances in Wikidata may be lower or higher)
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Qualifiers “end time (P582), start time (P580), point in time (P585), statement is subject of (P805), sourcing circumstances (P1480), including (P1012), excluding (P1011), nature of statement (P5102), announcement date (P6949), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), criterion used (P1013), of (P642), has characteristic (P1552), Unicode range (P5949), applies to part, aspect, or form (P518), valid in place (P3005), determination method or standard (P459), lower limit (P5447), upper limit (P5448), distribution format (P437)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: LID milestone (Q55003547)List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1114#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Range from “0” to “+∞”: values should be in the range from “0” to “+∞”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1114#Range
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200), Wikibase MediaInfo (Q59712033): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1114#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1114#Scope, SPARQL
Units: “novalue”: value unit must be one of listed. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1114#Units
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Generalizing this property
editAs per discussions about the need of a property to indicate the number of parts in a system, it has been suggested to generalize this property. The suggested label is "number of elements". If there are no objections I will change the label in a couple of days. See Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#number_of_parts.--Micru (talk) 07:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- I support the generalization (actually I thought the property could and was already used for that) but I am not sure "element" is very clear. It seem that train Xnumber of elementsfive could be used to mean that the train is made of 5 carriages. I have no better suggestion for a label though. --Zolo (talk) 08:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Zolo: That is not a problem because you can use qualifiers, for instance: <train> has part <carriage> with qualifier number of elements <5>. If you just say <train> number of elements <5>, it means that there are 5 trains.--Micru (talk) 09:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Micru:. I understand it is what is intended, but I am not sure that the word "element" makes it perfectly clear. "number of element of train X" seems to mean how many parts there are in a typical train X not how many instances of train X there are. . --Zolo (talk) 09:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Zolo: If you have any other suggestion I'll be glad to hear it. It could also be just "quantity" (in German it is already called "Anzahl", and we have it as alias now).--Micru (talk) 09:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Micru: Yes, perhaps simply "quantity" or even "number" as quantity might imply a measurement unit. --Zolo (talk) 09:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- I agree that dropping "of elements" is best. Like Zolo, I think "number" or "quantity" would be better, with the former being slightly better than the latter. Micru, thanks for taking the initiative on this! Emw (talk) 12:53, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- I've changed it to "quantity" because "number" is too ambiguous. The statement "number: 5" can be interpreted as this is the fifth of someting. /ℇsquilo 16:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Good point, thanks. Emw (talk) 03:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- I've changed it to "quantity" because "number" is too ambiguous. The statement "number: 5" can be interpreted as this is the fifth of someting. /ℇsquilo 16:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- I agree that dropping "of elements" is best. Like Zolo, I think "number" or "quantity" would be better, with the former being slightly better than the latter. Micru, thanks for taking the initiative on this! Emw (talk) 12:53, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Micru: Yes, perhaps simply "quantity" or even "number" as quantity might imply a measurement unit. --Zolo (talk) 09:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Zolo: If you have any other suggestion I'll be glad to hear it. It could also be just "quantity" (in German it is already called "Anzahl", and we have it as alias now).--Micru (talk) 09:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Micru:. I understand it is what is intended, but I am not sure that the word "element" makes it perfectly clear. "number of element of train X" seems to mean how many parts there are in a typical train X not how many instances of train X there are. . --Zolo (talk) 09:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Zolo: That is not a problem because you can use qualifiers, for instance: <train> has part <carriage> with qualifier number of elements <5>. If you just say <train> number of elements <5>, it means that there are 5 trains.--Micru (talk) 09:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Using for a quantity of a medication
editIt has been proposed that we use this "quantity" for the "dose" of a medication.[1]
I am fine with that but we will need to remove the constraint for "integer constraint" and allow units like milligrams
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think this is a good idea. The property is already suboptimal when not used as qualifier.
- "quantity" is primarily a datatype .. so let's use it accordingly. --- Jura 12:02, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Jura1: For the record, it was meant to be used as a qualifier at proposal times, if I recall (but the creation discussion seems lost, actually). As the description states, it was primarily meant to represent the number of existing instances for a class (like human (Q5)) at a certain point in time (around 7 billions right now). It seems to have been renamed to « quantity » in english afterwards. Funny enough, there is a « quantity » proposal just below the proposal for this one that was rejected … weird mixup. author TomT0m / talk page 12:15, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- It seems that the proposals were somewhat linked. Maybe some clean-up on current uses is needed. --- Jura 15:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Jura1: For the record, it was meant to be used as a qualifier at proposal times, if I recall (but the creation discussion seems lost, actually). As the description states, it was primarily meant to represent the number of existing instances for a class (like human (Q5)) at a certain point in time (around 7 billions right now). It seems to have been renamed to « quantity » in english afterwards. Funny enough, there is a « quantity » proposal just below the proposal for this one that was rejected … weird mixup. author TomT0m / talk page 12:15, 21 November 2019 (UTC)