Property talk:P1697
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Jura1 in topic Blank votes
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total valid votes
vote count for the elections (excluding invalid votes)
vote count for the elections (excluding invalid votes)
| Description | Vote count for the elections without invalid votes | |||||||||
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| Represents | number of valid votes (Q51590984) | |||||||||
| Data type | Quantity | |||||||||
| Domain | public election (Q40231) or referendum (Q43109) (note: this should be moved to the property statements) | |||||||||
| Allowed values | According to this template:
natural number
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statements0 ≤ 𝓧 ≤ 1,000,000,000 | |||||||||
| Allowed units | not applicable or percent (Q11229) | |||||||||
| Example | 2012 South Korean presidential election (Q82241) → 30,594,621 2021 German federal election (Q27123005) → 46,419,448 | |||||||||
| Source | Data shall be imported from National Election Committee (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896)) | |||||||||
| Robot and gadget jobs | Robots can check whether the sum of votes for all candidates equals to this value. | |||||||||
| Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1697 (Q29168732) | |||||||||
| See also | eligible voters (P1867), number of abstentions (P5043), ballots cast (P1868), number of spoilt votes (P5044), number of blank votes (P5045), successful candidate (P991) | |||||||||
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| Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | |||||||||
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Units: “novalue, percent (Q11229)”: value unit must be one of listed. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1697#Units, hourly updated report
Range from “0” to “1000000000”: values should be in the range from “0” to “1000000000”. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1697#Range, hourly updated report
Citation needed: the property must have at least one reference (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1697#citation needed
Blank votes
edit- The description of the property notes that this excludes "invalid votes".
- This generally excludes number of spoilt votes (P5044).
- Looking at Q29837047#P1697, the number excludes number of blank votes (P5045) as well. The note above in "robots and gadget jobs" notes that the sum of all candidates should equal total valid votes (P1697). This would exclude number of blank votes (P5045) as well.
It might depend on the election system if blank votes are considered invalid or merely not expressing a preference for a candidate. Should we exclude blank votes or add a qualifier to specify it? Or just take what the source gives and then see how it adds up.
--- Jura 12:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Jura1: Is the suggestion that in some voting systems, number of blank votes (P5045) is a subset of number of abstentions (P5043), whereas in other voting systems, number of blank votes (P5045) is a subset of number of spoilt votes (P5044)? Dhx1 (talk) 13:54, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- No, total valid votes (P1697) includes or excludes number of blank votes (P5045). Meaning that:
- either votes received (P1111) for every candidate + number of blank votes (P5045) = total valid votes (P1697)
- or votes received (P1111) for every candidate = total valid votes (P1697)
- Also:
- Note that the reference provided at Q29837047#P1697 mentions "suffrages exprimés" (if I recall correctly), which can translate as "expressed votes". Blank and invalid are given in one number in the same ref.
--- Jura 14:04, 17 April 2018 (UTC)- @Jura1, Dhx1: It's confuse to me, but I believe it's more a question of definition, maybe? When I proposed, I said that didn't knew other types of elections but the Brazilian, so I may did a mistake in the definition. Each voting system has it's own method of valid or invalid votes. Maybe adding has part(s) (P527) to total number of valid votes is a solution? Create total number of invalid votes with the same qualifier may help too. ˜˜˜˜
- No, total valid votes (P1697) includes or excludes number of blank votes (P5045). Meaning that: