Property talk:P2827

Latest comment: 7 years ago by Iimog in topic Actively removed?

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flower color
colour of flowers of a plant species, hybrid or cultivar
Representsbiological pigment (Q910979), color in nature (Q105096490), flower (Q506)
Data typeItem
Domain
According to this template: flowering plants
According to statements in the property:
plant (Q756), cultivar (Q4886), flower (Q506) or taxon (Q16521)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed valuescolours (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExampleJasminum officinale (Q515610)white (Q23444)
Pimpinella anisum (Q28692)white (Q23444)
Senna alata (Q41504)yellow (Q943)
Sporobolus heterolepis (Q7579245)brown (Q47071)
copper (Q2722041)
pink (Q429220)
See alsofruit color (P11220)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total1,563
Main statement1,55799.6% of uses
Qualifier60.4% of uses
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Type “plant (Q756), cultivar (Q4886), flower (Q506), taxon (Q16521): item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “plant (Q756), cultivar (Q4886), flower (Q506), taxon (Q16521)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2827#Type Q756, Q4886, Q506, Q16521, SPARQL
Value type “color (Q1075): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31), subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value color (Q1075) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2827#Value type Q1075, SPARQL
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2827#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2827#Entity types

Color(s) edit

To raise an example: What's the color of Astrophytum asterias (Q132514)? --Succu (talk) 21:31, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

 
A Flower:
1. receptacle (Q497512)
2. sepal (Q107216)
3. petal (Q107412)
4. stamen (Q103129)
5. carpel (Q1113448)
 
Astrophytum asterias

Actively removed? edit

It seams like this property is actively removed, any reason for that? https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3Fcolor%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP2827%20%3Fcolor%0A%7D --Abbe98 (talk) 00:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

I think no attempt had been made to use this.
--- Jura 07:29, 11 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Okey, I have been prototyping a flower color tool, so had to check... --Abbe98 (talk) 07:41, 11 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
The creation discussion was a bit too long, so we forgot to make use of it once it was created. I guess, it's all the better for you. Looking forward to see your tool in action.
--- Jura 07:44, 11 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Abbe98 I added a wikidata game for "Flower Color" here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/distributed/#game=30 Of course it has a couple of limitations. Most notably the fixed selection of colors and that it is only possible to add one at a time. I'm interested in your feedback and in what kind of tool you have prototyped.--- Iimog 08:51, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Iimog, without good sources these additions are worthless. I reverted two of your addition allready. --Succu (talk) 09:45, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Looks like your source is TraitBank (flower color) which in turn is heavily based on USDAs PLANTS Characteristics. There flower color is defined as the „predominant color of the flowers“. --Succu (talk) 17:14, 28 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Succu, thanks for the feedback. However, I don't agree that those additions are worthless without good sources. My assumption was that the flower color of many plants can be easily derived by anyone from existing images in wikidata and wikipedia articles. Many articles contain sections describing the plant including the color of the flower for example Monarda didyma contains "It has ragged, bright red tubular flowers 3–4 cm long, [...]". I think it would be very beneficial to have this information available in a structured, machine readable way. Therefore I built the wikidata game to make it easy for everybody to add those values. In fact I used the colors used in TraitBank as a preliminary list of possible colors in the game. As said this game has still some limitations. Nevertheless I consider the additions made by playing the game as valuable. As those additions do not have a source associated it is still easily possible to filter those entries out in a SPARQL query. Please let me know if you do not agree. --Iimog 09:55, 01 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
Iimog, major Wikipedias criticize Wikidata for the lack of reliable sources and I agree. Guessing flower color (P2827) from pictures of uncertain quality (and origin) is banned by Wikipedia:No original research (Q4656524). --Succu (talk) 20:07, 3 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
Succu, thanks for the further explanation. While I still think that more data of mixed quality can be beneficial I understand that in many cases less data of high quality is preferable. Therefore I deactivated the API action in the flower color game so that no more entries are added. Thanks again for your valuable feedback. Iimog (talk) 09:35, 6 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
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