Talk:Q18918145

@Daniel Mietchen: should this be merged with scholarly article (Q13442814)? --DarTar (talk) 07:56, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

@DarTar: Since there's no answer yet : I think no. Not all academic articles are scientific. I've added different from (P1889). — Tinm (talk) 19:20, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Are all scientific articles published in academic journals? I see you added a subclass relationship. If they are different and answer is no then maybe they should just be separate classes with no direct relationship, with many items being a member of both classes. Also, what delineates scientific from non-scientific? Is an editorial published in Science an academic journal article but not a scientific article? Mike Linksvayer (talk) 17:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

What's clear is that there exists a concept named “scientific article” that refers to a very specific form and process, that is described at e.g. en:Scientific_literature#Scientific_article. This alone justifies the current item, IMO. Then, we probably can find some degree of ambiguity in the expression : although Science or Nature editorials are not normally referred to as “scientific articles”, in informal language there's probably little difference between “scientific article”, “science article” and “article written by a scientist”. Tinm (talk) 19:50, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

We are not constrained by informal logic. Reversely we should do modelling as exact as possible. So probably we should have items for each unique class. Here e.g. "scientific article" (vague term, I agree) and "article published in academic journal". --Infovarius (talk) 14:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

We do have both now, which is fine -- it seems the answer to the question originally posed above by DarTar is no. But to be exact as possible, I suggest we remove the subclass relationship between the two. Mike Linksvayer (talk) 15:58, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind renaming the item into “scientific article published in an academic journal” or “peer-reviewed scientific article” but I think even currently there is absolutely no doubt that scholarly article (Q13442814) is about academic, generally peer-reviewed scientific articles, as evidenced by all the descriptions and statements of the item ! As such the subclass relationship is important, I strongly disagree with removing it. But we could have a broader “science article” item/concept. — Tinm (talk) 21:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

"scholarly article (Q13442814) is about academic, generally peer-reviewed scientific article" - from statements yes, but from labels and descriptions I see that the same is true for academic journal article (Q18918145). So we should choose.

--Infovarius (talk) 12:12, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

As somebody just recently starting with working in Wikidata: from the descriptions and the labels both, Q18918145 and Q13442814, suggest to be the same. If there are true differences they should be stated more precisely in the description and maybe even an explanation should be added to the 'different from' statement. Otherwise I would just suggest to merge them and use aliases or to make one the broader category of the other, e.g.: scholarly article > academic journal article Mtrognitz -- (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Infovarius The thing here is that academic articles include e.g. acadwmic literature or musicology articles. — Tinm (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I notice there is a similar relationship between scientific journal (Q5633421) and academic journal (Q737498). I accept that there's a difference some articles and journals that are academic are scientific and some are not but am not qualified to judge the edge cases so will leave that to others. :) But it looks like the majority of items currently claimed to be academic journal articles should more specifically be claimed to be scientific journal articles. That does leave scientific articles that aren't published in a journal, but maybe there aren't even any in wikidata yet, eg it appears the handful of items with a arXiv ID (P818) have all also been published in a journal. Mike Linksvayer (talk) 23:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Problems with item and suggested changes

Please see Wikidata:Project_chat#Bulk_fixing_error. --- Jura 10:02, 29 February 2020 (UTC)