JMiall
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Public art edit
what is the rationale for removing 'instance of' = 'public art' and adding 'genre' = 'public art'? I don't regard public art as really being a genre, 2 copies of the same piece of art could be in 2 locations for example, one public, one not. By way of comparison I don't think a play would change genre depending on where it was performed and I suspect the same logic should apply. JMiall (talk) 20:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hello,
- Initially I wanted to change 'instance of' = 'public art' into 'instance of' = 'public artwork' (instance of can't be a branch of art). I talked with Poulpy who said me it was better because if it not a genre, it could even less be its instance (I don't know if you understand me, my english is not very precise, sorry). I hope Poulpy could explain this better. Kvardek du (talk) 22:10, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- OK. (sorry for replying in English) I see that 'public art' is a subclass of 'art' (Q735) and that the description of this in English is 'process of creating things... ' that means that 'public art' on wikidata should be a process rather than an entity like 'public artwork' would be. But the linked wikipedia articles for Q735 in English, French, Spanish etc all define art as both being the process of creating artworks and the artworks themselves. I'm not familiar enough with wikidata to know whether this is a common situation or how this is dealt with but I'd assume that the wikidata item should have the same scope as its linked wikipedia articles if possible? JMiall (talk) 22:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- Even if in Wikipedia it is both the process and the artwork, in Wikidata I think we should have separate items like art of sculpture (Q11634) and sculpture (Q860861). In my opinion Wikipedia articles about public art should be more precise too.
- The difference between instance of (P31) public artwork and genre (P136) public art is not huge but you're right : how deal with "normal" artwork which became public artwork ? its nature fundamentally not changed, could its genre do ? (with a start date qualifier)
- Maybe we should ask the WikiProject Visual arts...
- Kvardek du (talk) 23:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- OK. (sorry for replying in English) I see that 'public art' is a subclass of 'art' (Q735) and that the description of this in English is 'process of creating things... ' that means that 'public art' on wikidata should be a process rather than an entity like 'public artwork' would be. But the linked wikipedia articles for Q735 in English, French, Spanish etc all define art as both being the process of creating artworks and the artworks themselves. I'm not familiar enough with wikidata to know whether this is a common situation or how this is dealt with but I'd assume that the wikidata item should have the same scope as its linked wikipedia articles if possible? JMiall (talk) 22:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)