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MediaWiki message delivery 20:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery 20:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Trade (talkcontribs)
Moebeus (talkcontribs)

one is an album, the other is a single?

Trade (talkcontribs)

Q130359520 Did i do it correctly? Havent made a album release item in a long time

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

pretty much 👍I fixed a few minor details but nothing major.

Trade (talkcontribs)
Moebeus (talkcontribs)

You could perhaps have found a way to re-use the existing screaming instead of creating a new item just for this one band, but that's nit picking. Looks okay to me 👍

Trade (talkcontribs)

Offizielle Deutsche Charts song ID (P8524)

Am i wrong in assuming this identifier is actually about music tracks and not single releases?

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

Clicking on the first example it looks to be about a single.

Nothing is supposed to be p31 = song by the way. It's either a single, a track, or a work(composition).

EDIT: After looking a little closer, it does indeed seem similar to the Swiss Hitparade - the developers are apparently not making a clear distinction between track and single. Not good :(

Trade (talkcontribs)

Where do you see the website listing tracks?

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

click on any album and look at a track that wasn't released as a single.

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

It looks like the website does not actually use the word song (or lied), but rather "Titel" (title) with a release type "single"?

Trade (talkcontribs)

"Nothing is supposed to be p31 = song by the way." We might ought to stop using "song" in the name of identifiers not meant to be used for songs

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

We can't really control what third parties choose to do, i.e. Allmusic use "song" for tracks and "album" for singles 🤷‍♂️

Trade (talkcontribs)

Wikidata is not a third party

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

You mean re-naming <Third party song ID> to "third party track ID" on our side to better fit our model? I see your point, but I'm personally not a fan, I would rather use Property:P2559 to document things like that.

Trade (talkcontribs)

Any idea how to bring attention to the music identifier proposals now that ping wont work?

Trade (talkcontribs)

I noted your changes to BABYMETAL DEATH" (Q130457949). Shouldnt there be a constraint if we are not supposed to use composer (P86) or lyricist (P676) on tracks?

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

if it's a common mistake that people make, then sure. composer/lyricist credits belong on the work/composition item.

Trade (talkcontribs)

I asked about constraints

Trade (talkcontribs)

Anyways how would you feel about the creation of an "unofficial title" property? I wanted to make items for the songs in The Sims series but unfortunately a lot of the songs never got any streaming release (and therefore no official title)

The only title these songs have comes from fan uploads on YT

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

In that case, why not use the "nickname" property? That's what we use for things like "The Black Album" where fans have given nicknames to otherwise eponymous albums in order to tell them apart.

As a bonus, there's also P1638 (working title) for project names.

Trade (talkcontribs)

How do i model the different purposes that the tracks were created for? "Dance Hauled" is part of the "Hip Hop" radio station, "Sim Builder" plays during "Build" mode, "The Sims 2 theme" plays while in the Neighborhood screen. Needless to say i dont need to explain when the tracks "The Sims 2 Loading Screen" and "Credits" play.

Then there are albums like "Spooky's Jump Scare Mansion - OST" where different tracks plays during different game overs or enemy chases. And "WORLD OF HORROR Soundtrack" where different tracks are assigned to different locations and one of two different modes (Combat/Investigation)

Do we need a new property for this modeling?

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

Maybe it's better to ask Project Video games about that? I'm usually happy if I can tie a composition to the main work it was created for, and a soundtrack release to the game or film, it feels too far out of my wheelhouse to atomically model "cue used in first part of second scene for Movie NN".

Trade (talkcontribs)

Alr. Will "has quality" be the best placeholder property? Or should i just use "object/subject has role" instead?

Rough draft for now

Tho you already made Q108224320 so this type of granularity doesn't look entirely like unfamiliar territory for you

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

Don't see what that has to do with what you're trying to achieve, Q108224320 is an attempt to capture how genres and instrumentation used to be printed onto the decals of records back in the 78RPM shellac days.

I think has quality/characteristic is a good placeholder, it will make it easier to query and easier to spot when/if dedicated critical mass is reached and dedicated modelling worth exploring 👍

Trade (talkcontribs)

Question about musicbrainz: Are singles and remix singles (both with 1 track each) supposed to share the same release group?

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

It's a judgment call by MusicBrainz editors I think. If they're released years apart, maybe by different labels, it might be natural to have two different release groups. If it's a "regular" single and a remix single as part of the same release cycle then it might be more natural to group them. There might also be a written policy somewhere on the Musicbrainz site that I'm not aware of, so don't take my word for it.

Trade (talkcontribs)

What should we do about Rate Your Music release ID (P8392)? I have noticed several times where the site created singles for songs that never received any single releases. Same thing for video game soundtrack releases

I was thinking of a rule where releases from RYM have to be supported by secondary sources from other sites but i dont know if the Wikiproject would be willing to that

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

If you post some examples on the P8392 talk page I can ask around.

Trade (talkcontribs)

Oh, the talk page. Didn't read that. Done now

Trade (talkcontribs)

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/%E9%88%B4%E6%9C%A8%E6%85%B6%E4%B8%80-%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E5%AE%8F%E5%92%8C/mother2-%E3%82%AE%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B0%E3%81%AE%E9%80%86%E8%A5%B2-earthbound/ (track names comes from the YT video and seems to be nicknames) (album item have since been deleted from WD) (the fact that the supposed album cover is just the cover for the game doesnt help) (same applies to release date)

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/doja-cat/4-morant-better-luck-next-time/) Q130305423 (This is a SoundCloud-only song. Not a release)

Trade (talkcontribs)
Moebeus (talkcontribs)

Looking at Q130332572 . I don't understand: if you don't think it's a legitimate single, why did you create it in the first place? It does not feel like a good use of anyone's time to be inventing problems by deliberatly creating edge cases when we have so much to do with what is already in WD.

Trade (talkcontribs)

I didn't realize that RYM were making false entries until yesterday and i could not find any guidelines on what to do since there doesnt appear to be any way to tag identifiers for such issues

Trade (talkcontribs)

Something else, do you think there is any thing such as a "literary work soundtrack"? I found a componist who released a soundtrack album for one of this novels

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

never heard that term, sounds like a bit of a stretch to me? If they insist it's a soundtrack, and not a companion cd or playlist, then I would just call it a "soundtrack album" and reference the source where that claim was made I think.

Trade (talkcontribs)

Alr. Examples now posted on the talk page of P8392

Trade (talkcontribs)

Wikidata:WikiProject_Music#Track_Identifiers

If you ever got time you might wanna take a look to ensure that all identifiers listed here are actually supposed to be used for tracks. I am feeling in doubht about the inclusion of Bait La Zemer Ha-Ivri song ID, Les Enfoirés song ID (archived), Pizmonet ID, Tab4u artist ID, Todotango.com work ID and Zemereshet song ID

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MediaWiki message delivery 22:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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J 1982 (talkcontribs)

Why are you removing labels and descriptions from various languages?

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

I'm not removing descriptions am I? With the new "mul" (multiple) language code we don't need to keep repeating the same label for every language wiith the same script anymore, but "mul" descriptions aren't supported yet.

J 1982 (talkcontribs)

Maybe not with descriptions, but the labels aren't there anymore. Also, I can't reach multiple languages (MUL) when choosing languages.

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

I'm using the labelLister gadget to reach add the "mul" code, there should be a checkbox to enable it under "Preferences" in the top site menu?

I think they're planning to remove duplicate labels en masse for all kinds of items before too long, so probably good to get used to it. Apparently it's one of the things that contribute greatly to slowing down all of Wikidata now that we have gotten so big.

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

Oh, I forgot to say: I can hold on doing anything with existing items going forward if that helps, we just need to be prepared for automatic removal that is likely to occur in the not too distant future :)

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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J 1982 (talkcontribs)

If a group of people perofrm a song together during a baptism, wedding, funeral service or other memory ceremony (like this Q130288582), how should this be classicied as P175? Should I create "funeral attendants of Tager Erlander" or something, since I wouldn't classify them even as a temporary music group.

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

Good question! Maybe try to make it a little more generic than "funeral attendants of Tager Erlander" to facilitate re-use? "unnamed event attendedants" or something like that, make it a "special purpose" performer?

J 1982 (talkcontribs)

In Tage Erlander's case, I added Q97326947 if that's OK?

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

I think that's wrong, it's an occupation, so the translation is probably more "begravningsbyråassistent" than "begravningsgäst"

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

A person attending a funeral is called a mourner in English: Q17139718 , a group of people is Q16334295 . So a combination of those two?

J 1982 (talkcontribs)

A mourner can be both a funeral guest and someone who mourns the decrased person. A funeral guest (just google, the word is around in English) is restricted to those attending the funeral.


Meanwhile, I used Q16334295.

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

sure!

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