22:59, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Wikimedia-lists and is part of
I removed the part of (P361)-statement at Yakiv Stepovy (Q8047116) as part of (P361) should not be used to point to Wikimedia-lists (see Property_talk:P361#Lists,_part_of,_and_the_distinction_between_a_name_and_its_referent for the reasoning). Just to be sure: do you see any need for this statement ? - ~~~~
I have no problem with you removing that statement, I shouldn't have added it in the first place. Thank you for cleaning up my mess!
List of usic sales certifications
Hello. Do you know how I can add certyfications to music sales certifications item?
Hi there! I've been planning to do this myself, but I haven't gotten around to look at how it it should be modelled yet.
I think maybe we should start by creating an item for each of the gold, silver, platinum certifications for each country first, and then start assigning them to individual records, possibly using Property:P166 "award received" ?
Label: gold, description: sales certification in Sweden? I think in this case there should be additional parameter for country on release page but then it would be unclear with same certifications from different countries (in "award received" for example 10 times separate platinum with additional parameter for each country).
Hmm, maybe a new property should be proposed? I need to think about this a little and play around with some different ways of doing it. Are you in a hurry, or can you wait a day or two? I'm thinking of picking a release that is a bestseller globally with sales certifications from every country and over many years (like Michael Jackson or Pink Floyd) and then see if I can come up with a model that works with many countries, and different certifications earned over several years. It's also worth noting that the criteria for achieving a gold record changes over time in most cases - a gold record today is not the same as a gold record in 1969 or whatever.
Give it time. Two days or longer is okey.
Btw. don't you think there should be properity for concert tours in items for artists?
Yes I do. There is a lot of concerts, concert tours and "list of Madonna/Basshunter/Metallica concert tours" etc. in Wikidata, it would be cool to be able to link it specifically to the various artists like we do with discographies. For now I mostly use Property:P2354 "has list", but it's not ideal.
I've been looking into how to model the sales certifications and it's a very complex subject, with constantly changing rules for every territory. In Sweden alone there were rule changes in 1996, in 2002, in 2003, and in 2018. At least. There are also pretty big differences between sales certifications for albums, for DVDs/video albums, and those for singles/songs. There's also different rules for some genres of music, like classical, jazz, folklore, and children's music.
To sum it up, a lot more research is needed before I'd be comfortable proposing a way to model it. What I'll probably do is continue the work I've started with linking releases to music chart positions/performance. Once that is better in place it'll be easier to "plug in" sales certifications.
That shouldn't stop you from adding certifications to Basshunter of course, but my advice (if you want it!) is that you wait a little longer 🤕
You are right. I think it would be better to wait instead of doing work two times (probably). I will add yet some releases was certificated without enterning a chart and in some cases it's hard to find source when requirements changed.